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The Birther Conspiracy Thread (1 Viewer)

i reject your reality, and replace it with one of my own
apparently you doIn spite of photographs, documents and statutes, you live in your own reality, which makes you loonier than Jon_mxMy crazy rankings:1. Gollum2. Jon_mx3. Mad Sweeneyall clearly believe things in spite of more than adequate evidence and/or logic that would disuade most
There isn't one fact I haven't excepted. From what I have seen, a short form Hawaiian birth certificate does not establish that someone was born there. The birth announcements in the paper are just that, they could have been submitted by the grandparents or based upon some non-birth certificate filings. Ann and Barack's relationship fell apart quickly. She ran away and left the state of Hawaii sometime between March and August 25, 1961. Kenya is not really a possibility, IMO. It is either Hawaii, Washington State, or Canada. Still most likely Hawaii, but it is not established beyond a reasonable doubt in my opinion.There are no infant pictures which establish any location, just some studio most likely in the state of Washington. The statues are not in the favor of Hawaiian birth, way too many loopholes.
 
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The more you look into this the more reason there is to be skeptical of the whole thing. $2 million in legal fees folks. You don't need to hide. My name is MOP, I'm an independent moderate, and I have doubts.
I'll ask again, because you refused to answer the first time. Where did the 2 million in legal fees come from? Link?
I'm not sure whether this has been posted already, but the $2 million figure came from World Net Daily. Here's the story.
Trump and Palin's $2 million birther lie

Debunking the claim that President Obama spent $2 million to keep his birth certificate secret

BY JUSTIN ELLIOTT

One of the latest claims made by Donald Trump -- now joined by Sarah Palin -- is that President Obama has spent $2 million in legal fees to keep his birth certificate secret. Predictably, this figure is based on shoddy reporting by a discredited birther website and lacks any evidence to back it up.

On CNN on Sunday, Trump rolled out the "$2 million" figure as one piece of evidence that Obama was not born in the U.S.

"I just say very simply why doesn't he show his birth certificate?" Trump asked. "Why has he spent over $2 million in legal fees to keep this quiet and to keep this silent?" Sarah Palin used a similar formulation on Fox on Saturday, applauding Trump for investigating "why President Obama would've spent $2 million to not show his birth certificate."

Here's the back story on this particular piece of birther mythology.

While the $2 million figure has now been invoked thousands of times around the Web, it appears to have originated on WorldNetDaily, a right-wing news website that conducts original (and often unreliable) reporting on a variety of conspiracy theories.

I asked Orly Taitz, the leading California-based birther attorney and dentist, where the $2 million figure comes from. "There was an article in WorldNetDaily a while ago," she said. "I believe Trump is correct."

Bill Keller, a Florida evangelical pastor who starred in the first birther infomercial, has also invoked the $2 million figure. I asked Keller his source for the number. "WorldNetDaily has done tons of reporting on this issue," he wrote in an email.

Specifically, WND's Chelsea Schilling wrote a series of articles on the legal bills in 2009. See here, here and here. According to the WND articles, the Obama campaign paid $1.7 million in fees to the law firm Perkins Coie between October 2008 and October 2009.

Perkins Coie's Bob Bauer, who is now White House counsel, represented Obama in at least one birther lawsuit that WND has also written about. In 2009, Bauer fired off a brief letter to an attorney who brought a case questioning Obama's eligibility to be president. Bauer warned the attorney that the case was frivolous and asked him to stop pursuing it. (The case is called Hollister v. Soetoro -- with Soetoro referring to the name President Obama supposedly used as a child in Indonesia. It was recently appealed to the Supreme Court, which turned it down.)

The implication of the WND stories -- though not explicitly stated -- is that because Perkins Coie worked on a birther suit, and because the Obama campaign paid Perkins Coie $1.7 million, therefore the campaign paid $1.7 million fighting birther suits. That's an obvious logical fallacy.

Indeed, just last month Roll Call published a look at the Obama campaign's post-election legal spending -- now totaling $2.8 million, most of it to Perkins Coie. DNC National Press Secretary Hari Sevugan told the paper: "The campaign has incurred ordinary legal expenses related to the wind-down of its operations and other legal services which all campaigns incur and which are proportional to the unprecedented size of this campaign." Roll Call continued:

Legal costs for presidential campaigns can balloon following Election Day as these organizations face compliance issues and sometimes court cases stemming from the campaign season.

Sevugan said some legal fees were needed to defend the campaign against "unmeritorious" suits, including one challenging Obama’s citizenship.

So, yes, it's clear that the Obama campaign has spent some money fighting so-called eligibility lawsuits. But the $2 million figure is baseless.Inquiries seeking comment from Trump and Palin have gone unanswered. But this story shows the fundamental problem with letting Trump on TV again and again to go on his birther rants: Even if you're trying to fact-check him, there are too many layers of falsehoods to do so effectively.
The Roll Call link notes that the John McCain campaign has spent about $1.3 million in legal fees since the election. I guess all of that was to hide the circumstances surrounding his birth as well. :tinfoilhat:
 
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Obama just gave his long form birth certificate over to the press and will talk at 9:45.

Now you lunatics can shut up.
"I DON"T BELIEVE IT HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED TATES NOW AND WAS ELECTED BY DECEPTIVE MEANS AND SOCIALISM LIBERAL NOT-WHITE SOCIALISM HATES AMERICA MUSLIM AND SURELY THE POTUS CAN FAKE A BIRTH CERTIFICHICAGO!"
 
I will be transfixed to see the cognitive dissonance on display in this thread after the long form is distributed.
This is devastating news. All that's left is to hope beyond hope that the crazies are so crazy that they'll come up with some creative new argument to keep this hilarity afloat for a while.Can we maybe suggest to them that it's a forgery? Maybe they can say that the delay is evidence of nefarious doings?
 
I will be transfixed to see the cognitive dissonance on display in this thread after the long form is distributed.
This is devastating news. All that's left is to hope beyond hope that the crazies are so crazy that they'll come up with some creative new argument to keep this hilarity afloat for a while.Can we maybe suggest to them that it's a forgery? Maybe they can say that the delay is evidence of nefarious doings?
i doubt you'll need to "suggest" it is a forgery. i imaguine there will be document "experts" on fox news by the weekend.
 
I will be transfixed to see the cognitive dissonance on display in this thread after the long form is distributed.
This is devastating news. All that's left is to hope beyond hope that the crazies are so crazy that they'll come up with some creative new argument to keep this hilarity afloat for a while.Can we maybe suggest to them that it's a forgery? Maybe they can say that the delay is evidence of nefarious doings?
I'll go with the long form really isn't the proper long form.
 
I will be transfixed to see the cognitive dissonance on display in this thread after the long form is distributed.
This is devastating news. All that's left is to hope beyond hope that the crazies are so crazy that they'll come up with some creative new argument to keep this hilarity afloat for a while.Can we maybe suggest to them that it's a forgery? Maybe they can say that the delay is evidence of nefarious doings?
I'll go with the long form really isn't the proper long form.
I'm going to go with "it's appears to be on paper that was created from a white pine tree and we all know white pines aren't indigenous to Hawaii" !!!
 
'Maurile Tremblay said:
The Roll Call link notes that the John McCain campaign has spent about $1.3 million in legal fees since the election. I guess all of that was to hide the circumstances surrounding his birth as well. :tinfoilhat:
There are those that believe McCain isn't eligible to be president either because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. I honestly believe the right crazies would've stayed quiet and you'd hear more from the left crazies.
 
The form Obama released is the Certificate of Live Birth. The birthers are simply going to say that this is not the "long form" birth certificate, and that this release is meaningless.

 
The form Obama released is the Certificate of Live Birth. The birthers are simply going to say that this is not the "long form" birth certificate, and that this release is meaningless.
From your lips to the birthers' ears, although it may have to penetrate multiple layers of tin foil to get there. Fingers crossed!
 
Obama just gave his long form birth certificate over to the press and will talk at 9:45.

Now you lunatics can shut up.
I can't believe he caved :thumbdown: These folks aren't going to shut up, they'll just revise the conspiracy theory to focus on something else.
:goodposting: Agreed...they'll just move on to something else.

TinHat> What's next on the agenda?
Hmmm... As a conservative, I say we go with the following:1) Hillary's actually a dude.

1a) Pelosi is hiding WMDs in her face.

 
I am actually a tad surprised that this forgery took 2+ years to get. We used to lead the way in forgery. As a nation we are really slipping here.

 
Trump:

"First we have to look at the certificate," he said. "I want to look at it, but I hope it's true, so we can get to more important national issues."

"Why he didn't do it when the Clintons asked for it. Why he didn't do it when everyone else was asking about it, I don't know," he said.

"You're going to have many people looking at it …. It's amazing that all of a sudden it materializes. Experts will look at it … and I'm very proud that I was able to bring this to a point."

 
Obama just gave his long form birth certificate over to the press and will talk at 9:45.
:thumbup: Good. Now that this has been debunked hopefully everybody can move on to more important matters now. Like...

But on Wednesday, he'll [benjamin Bernanke] be directly grilled by the folks some regard as the toughest questioners of all, in the central bank's first ever press conference after a committee meeting. He will submit to a pack of reporters jockeying with one another for a shot at provoking news from the chairman. It's the Fed's most significant bid ever for transparency and accountability, and the consequences of a mistake could be dire. Huffpo Link

It's probably just coincidence that the administration waited until today to release the birth certificate. I'll go out on a limb and say the birth certificate press conference gets a wee bit more coverage than that other presser.

 
Trump:

"First we have to look at the certificate," he said. "I want to look at it, but I hope it's true, so we can get to more important national issues."

"Why he didn't do it when the Clintons asked for it. Why he didn't do it when everyone else was asking about it, I don't know," he said.

"You're going to have many people looking at it …. It's amazing that all of a sudden it materializes. Experts will look at it … and I'm very proud that I was able to bring this to a point."
Speaking to reporters Wednesday, Trump said, "I have accomplished something nobody else has accomplished.""I want to look at it, but i hope it’s true," he added. "He should have done it a long time ago. I am really honored to have played such a big role in hopefully getting rid of this issue."

 
Trump:

"First we have to look at the certificate," he said. "I want to look at it, but I hope it's true, so we can get to more important national issues."

"Why he didn't do it when the Clintons asked for it. Why he didn't do it when everyone else was asking about it, I don't know," he said.

"You're going to have many people looking at it …. It's amazing that all of a sudden it materializes. Experts will look at it … and I'm very proud that I was able to bring this to a point."
Speaking to reporters Wednesday, Trump said, "I have accomplished something nobody else has accomplished.""I want to look at it, but i hope it’s true," he added. "He should have done it a long time ago. I am really honored to have played such a big role in hopefully getting rid of this issue."
Trump is such a publicity whore. He sickens me
 
For 48 pages we've watched conspiracy theorists tell us that they don't believe Obama is a natural born citizen. Will we get even one page of them admitting they were as loony as we all said they were? I doubt it.

 
Trump:

"First we have to look at the certificate," he said. "I want to look at it, but I hope it's true, so we can get to more important national issues."

"Why he didn't do it when the Clintons asked for it. Why he didn't do it when everyone else was asking about it, I don't know," he said.

"You're going to have many people looking at it …. It's amazing that all of a sudden it materializes. Experts will look at it … and I'm very proud that I was able to bring this to a point."
Speaking to reporters Wednesday, Trump said, "I have accomplished something nobody else has accomplished.""I want to look at it, but i hope it’s true," he added. "He should have done it a long time ago. I am really honored to have played such a big role in hopefully getting rid of this issue."
Trump is such a publicity whore. He sickens me
Do we get to see his tax returns now?
 
He already is.
I think I saw on cnn.com "trump takes credit"
Trump:

"First we have to look at the certificate," he said. "I want to look at it, but I hope it's true, so we can get to more important national issues."

"Why he didn't do it when the Clintons asked for it. Why he didn't do it when everyone else was asking about it, I don't know," he said.

"You're going to have many people looking at it …. It's amazing that all of a sudden it materializes. Experts will look at it … and I'm very proud that I was able to bring this to a point."
Speaking to reporters Wednesday, Trump said, "I have accomplished something nobody else has accomplished."

"I want to look at it, but i hope it's true," he added. "He should have done it a long time ago. I am really honored to have played such a big role in hopefully getting rid of this issue."
I guess I just can't type fast enough :lmao: Holy Crap!
 
Trump:

"First we have to look at the certificate," he said. "I want to look at it, but I hope it's true, so we can get to more important national issues."

"Why he didn't do it when the Clintons asked for it. Why he didn't do it when everyone else was asking about it, I don't know," he said.

"You're going to have many people looking at it …. It's amazing that all of a sudden it materializes. Experts will look at it … and I'm very proud that I was able to bring this to a point."
Speaking to reporters Wednesday, Trump said, "I have accomplished something nobody else has accomplished.""I want to look at it, but i hope it’s true," he added. "He should have done it a long time ago. I am really honored to have played such a big role in hopefully getting rid of this issue."
Trump is such a publicity whore. He sickens me
How can you NOT cheer for trump? He's like the Kardashians and Paris HIlton and Gwyneth Paltrow rolled in to one: he was born with a silver spoon (100 million dollars) and managed to parlay a complete and utter lack of actual skill or talent in to mega-celebrity status on the basis of getting his "brand" out there.
 
Some comments from Free Republic. Com:

If stanley Ann Dunham was born on November 29, 1942 (as every article I have EVER read says) she would not have turned 18 until november of that year. Obama was born in August. She was 17 at the time not 18. This BC is another sham!!!

the font of the “A” on line 13 appears different

from the “A” in the date on line 20.

If Obama is going to hang everything on this document then he has ended his presidency and confirmed that he was fraudulently elected. The controversy isn't about his birthplace - it is about his status as a “natural born citizen”. This official certificate of live birth clearly states that his father is a foreign national. This means Obama is ineligible to be president because both of his parents weren't citizens of the United States at the time of his birth. As a minor, his mother couldn't pass on her citizenship. Wonder who will follow this in the media? <BR clear=all>

Ok, so his dad was born in Kenya.... Was he still a citizen of Kenya or by that time was he an American Citizen. That is the million dollar question that no one will ask today at the presser because it goes to the "naturalized" question...

<BR clear=all>

 
I'm guessing the Hannity / Rush types will spend the day blaming Obama for taking so long to release this.
Why shouldn't they? Mission accomplished by Obama. We all know this is why he didn't release this until now. Make the birthers look like whack jobs until the proper time comes to release it. All of this could have been avoided but it is exactly what Obama wanted. Job well done. :thumbup:
 
Some comments from Free Republic. Com:

If stanley Ann Dunham was born on November 29, 1942 (as every article I have EVER read says) she would not have turned 18 until november of that year. Obama was born in August. She was 17 at the time not 18. This BC is another sham!!!

the font of the “A” on line 13 appears different

from the “A” in the date on line 20.

If Obama is going to hang everything on this document then he has ended his presidency and confirmed that he was fraudulently elected. The controversy isn't about his birthplace - it is about his status as a “natural born citizen”. This official certificate of live birth clearly states that his father is a foreign national. This means Obama is ineligible to be president because both of his parents weren't citizens of the United States at the time of his birth. As a minor, his mother couldn't pass on her citizenship. Wonder who will follow this in the media? <BR clear=all>

Ok, so his dad was born in Kenya.... Was he still a citizen of Kenya or by that time was he an American Citizen. That is the million dollar question that no one will ask today at the presser because it goes to the "naturalized" question...

<BR clear=all>
good grief - everyone born in the U.S., even those born of illegal aliens who arrived here a day before giving birth, is an American citizen. All the stuff about his parents is utterly meaningless, now that he has "proven" he was born in the U.S.
 
Its ok guys. He's still black. And NO certificate can change that.

Birther on you crazy diamonds!

New code words will be released from Cato in 24 hours or so.

 
Obama's speech is making the Right look like a bunch of tools; that they would worry about his Birth Certificate instead of the Health of the Nation.

 
For 48 pages we've watched conspiracy theorists tell us that they don't believe Obama is a natural born citizen. Will we get even one page of them admitting they were as loony as we all said they were? I doubt it.
They are awaiting the newest talking points.
They won't know what to say until Rush or Hannity tell them what to say. LOLUntil then, it's the Silence of the lambs. Where are they all? ROFL
 

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