The Birther Conspiracy Thread (4 Viewers)

[urbanhack]

:headexplode:

Jon Stewart - The Born Identity

The dissection of Lou Dobbs was great.

Did you see G. Gordon Liddy on Hard Ball??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3XvLFl2tGk

 

[lostbug]

Who knows? At this point, I don't see how either side is going to settle this to the other's satisfaction.

"For starters, the Pakistan 'travel ban' is a complete fabrication based on zero evidence and completely contradicted by State Department records and a 1981 New York Times article." link

Really? Cool, no problem then.The State Department I'll buy. The NYT has gotten too many things wrong (like the time they attacked McCain's nationality) for me to trust them without substantial backup.

Like I said above, this will not be resolved. Neither side is willing to listen to the other and respond without a heavy sigh and rolling their eyes duh! on the one hand, or jumping up and down screaming on the other.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Well, first of all Lou Dobbs has questioned it on his show. Lynn Cheney, in an interview with Larry King, suggested that while she believed he was a citizen, there was certainly "a great deal of suspicion" which gave credibility to doubters. And some Republican congressmen, including a few from California, have put forth a resolution demanding birth certificate identification. So no, sadly, it's not just the Internet.

Are you against birth certificate identification?

Yes I am. I believe we should simply take people's word for it. That way, my scheme of achieving a one world government controlled by the United Nations will be that much closer to fruition.

By your sarcasm I am assuming that you agree with the resolution?

Uh, no. I think a short form birth certificate plus other evidence like newspapers announcing your birth is reasonable evidence for people who are reasonable. For people who are not reasonable, there is no evidence that would be.

a short form presented to whom? Maybe just slap one on your website, or sent to state election officials...

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Did you see G. Gordon Liddy on Hard Ball??

No, but I'll catch the replay in about 10 minutes here.

 

[urbanhack]

Did you see G. Gordon Liddy on Hard Ball??

No, but I'll catch the replay in about 10 minutes here.

Get a nice stiff drink for this one.

 

[timschochet]

nah, The requirement is in the Constitution, and I find it annoying and off-putting that they are just blowing it off.

Personally, I think it's a stupid rule, but it's a rule, and they should make the effort to follow it and not make the effort to eschew it.

Who is blowing it off? How are they blowing it off?

refusing to release the long formspending so much money to get this thing dismissed in all the court cases

letting a soldier off the hook on his duty, which allowed his suit to be dimissed

1. You realize it's not his call to release the long form; that's up to the hospital, right? 2. I'm not sure how much money was spent to get the court cases dismissed; whatever amount it was, it was forced on him by the ones who filed these ridiculous suits. If I were the judge involved, I would have dismissed it immediately.

3. I think if the soldier refused to go to Afghanistan after volunteering, he should be court-martialed. But I don't know the details of this.

1. big fat wrong on that one2. over a million when it have cost about under 30 bucks to proiduce the document for the naysayers.

3. He refused his orders on the basis that he was unsure if they were Obama was legally binding as the President. his orders were revoked, and based on his deployment being revoked, his suit was dismissed.

3.

I'm being fished, I know. Oh well.My statement on #1 is based on what I have read. Per Wikipedia:

Noting "there have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate", ####ino explained that the department was prohibited by state law from releasing it to "persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record." She stated: "No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i."[3][24]

So I should not have said "up to the hospital", I should have said "state law". But in any event it has nothing to do with Barack Obama. Do you have anything to contradict this?

 

[bueno]

I'm being fished, I know. Oh well.

My statement on #1 is based on what I have read. Per Wikipedia:

Noting "there have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate", ####ino explained that the department was prohibited by state law from releasing it to "persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record." She stated: "No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i."[3][24]

So I should not have said "up to the hospital", I should have said "state law". But in any event it has nothing to do with Barack Obama. Do you have anything to contradict this?

You don't think BO has a tangible interest in his own birth certificate?

 

[urbanhack]

I'm being fished, I know. Oh well.

My statement on #1 is based on what I have read. Per Wikipedia:

Noting "there have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate", ####ino explained that the department was prohibited by state law from releasing it to "persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record." She stated: "No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i."[3][24]

So I should not have said "up to the hospital", I should have said "state law". But in any event it has nothing to do with Barack Obama. Do you have anything to contradict this?

You don't think BO has a tangible interest in his own birth certificate?

Doesn't everyone?

 

[Insomniac]

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What do you find to be a reasonable basis for concern here which has not been addressed?

Well, the part that I've seen that hasn't been addressed to my satisfaction (and I hope you'll excuse some vagueness here, since I don't have the discussions right at hand to quote from), is Obama's travel to Pakistan as a private citizen. There's some suggestion that this was at a time that US citizens weren't allowed in, which would suggest that he'd used some other travel documents. Now, of course, some places do allow dual citizenship under certain circumstances, so it may be nothing. But I don't recall seeing that addressed, even to dismiss it out of hand. Who knows? At this point, I don't see how either side is going to settle this to the other's satisfaction.

Pakistan was not on the No Travel list in 1981.http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/passport.asp

 

[Statorama]

There always seems to be a fringe movement out there. When Clinton was President, it was the Vince Foster crowd. For most of Bush's term in office, it was the 9/11 Truther people. Now it's these Birther people. It doesn't seem to matter whether it's from the Left or the Right, these people always seem to be present and rather loud.

How dare you put the Vince Foster stuff in with those ridiculous conspiracies. Vince Foster somehow committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head. You heard me, the bullet enterend the base of his skull near the neck and exited through his cheek. Just make a little finger gun with your thumb and index finger and try to put that fake gun at the base of your skull/neck and aim upwards so that the bullet would come out of your cheek. Isn't easy to do. By the time the body was discovered his office had been cleaned out....all kinds of motives for the Clintons to see him depart the Earth....so much HARD EVIDENCE to conclude it was murder...but it just gets brushed aside because of cowards like you. It scares you to believe that your beloved Democrats might just be a teensy bit human.You people that live in fairy-tale land with candycane bridges with marshmellow cars who think the most powerful person in the world can't have someone whacked when someone threatens their power need to get out into the real world sometime. Rest in peace Vince. Not all of us are as naive as this guy.

 

[Sam Quentin]

refusing to release the long form

spending so much money to get this thing dismissed in all the court cases

letting a soldier off the hook on his duty, which allowed his suit to be dimissed

1. You realize it's not his call to release the long form; that's up to the hospital, right? 2. I'm not sure how much money was spent to get the court cases dismissed; whatever amount it was, it was forced on him by the ones who filed these ridiculous suits. If I were the judge involved, I would have dismissed it immediately.

3. I think if the soldier refused to go to Afghanistan after volunteering, he should be court-martialed. But I don't know the details of this.

1. big fat wrong on that one2. over a million when it have cost about under 30 bucks to proiduce the document for the naysayers.

3. He refused his orders on the basis that he was unsure if they were Obama was legally binding as the President. his orders were revoked, and based on his deployment being revoked, his suit was dismissed.

3.

I'm being fished, I know. Oh well.My statement on #1 is based on what I have read. Per Wikipedia:

Noting "there have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate", ####ino explained that the department was prohibited by state law from releasing it to "persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record." She stated: "No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i."[3][24]

So I should not have said "up to the hospital", I should have said "state law". But in any event it has nothing to do with Barack Obama. Do you have anything to contradict this?

jeebusfrom the same Wikipedia article

On another occasion, the same spokesperson for the state of Hawaii elaborated on state policy for the release of vital records: "If someone from Obama's campaign gave us permission in person and presented some kind of verification that he or she was Obama's designee, we could release the vital record."[28]

 

[lostbug]

Uh, no. I think a short form birth certificate plus other evidence like newspapers announcing your birth is reasonable evidence for people who are reasonable. For people who are not reasonable, there is no evidence that would be.

Really? I have never understood people who accept "other evidence like newspaper announcements". My daughter was born here in New Zealand, and it was announced in the newspaper in Mississippi and Indiana. Give me a couple days and I can have an announcement put in your hometown paper that Mortimer E. Tumbly-Wumbly was born in the local hospital. To me, all a newspaper announcement proves is that someone thought that some people where the paper is delivered might want to know.The birth certificate, I'm really confused how even after all this time, someone in Hawaii hasn't made the decision that perhaps someone, say Obama himself just to pick someone reasonable, has a 'tangible interest' in it. I mean, wouldn't (taking figures from elsewhere here) a million dollars be tangible enough? And yes, this may well be

 

[Twilight]

nah, The requirement is in the Constitution, and I find it annoying and off-putting that they are just blowing it off. Personally, I think it's a stupid rule, but it's a rule, and they should make the effort to follow it and not make the effort to eschew it.

Who is blowing it off? How are they blowing it off?

refusing to release the long formspending so much money to get this thing dismissed in all the court cases letting a soldier off the hook on his duty, which allowed his suit to be dimissed

1. You realize it's not his call to release the long form; that's up to the hospital, right? 2. I'm not sure how much money was spent to get the court cases dismissed; whatever amount it was, it was forced on him by the ones who filed these ridiculous suits. If I were the judge involved, I would have dismissed it immediately.3. I think if the soldier refused to go to Afghanistan after volunteering, he should be court-martialed. But I don't know the details of this.

1. big fat wrong on that one2. over a million when it have cost about under 30 bucks to proiduce the document for the naysayers.3. He refused his orders on the basis that he was unsure if they were Obama was legally binding as the President. his orders were revoked, and based on his deployment being revoked, his suit was dismissed.3.

1. As a private citizen, he can't request it without a court order of some sort to contradict Hawaii state law. 2. Nope. The $30 dollar certificate was released. It wasn't considered good enough by you nutballs.3. He refused the orders in order to drum up the controversy, as he re-enlisted recently for the express purpose of the sideshow. Since he was a recent re-enlistee, there was no reason to keep the twit in the limelight.I get not liking the guy. I get not liking his policies. But making up crappy lies that can be fact-checked out of existance like the Pakistan BS is new levels of pathetic.

 

[Statorama]

I haven't seen GW Bush's birth certificate either.

 

[timschochet]

There always seems to be a fringe movement out there. When Clinton was President, it was the Vince Foster crowd. For most of Bush's term in office, it was the 9/11 Truther people. Now it's these Birther people. It doesn't seem to matter whether it's from the Left or the Right, these people always seem to be present and rather loud.

How dare you put the Vince Foster stuff in with those ridiculous conspiracies. Vince Foster somehow committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head. You heard me, the bullet enterend the base of his skull near the neck and exited through his cheek. Just make a little finger gun with your thumb and index finger and try to put that fake gun at the base of your skull/neck and aim upwards so that the bullet would come out of your cheek. Isn't easy to do. By the time the body was discovered his office had been cleaned out....all kinds of motives for the Clintons to see him depart the Earth....so much HARD EVIDENCE to conclude it was murder...but it just gets brushed aside because of cowards like you. It scares you to believe that your beloved Democrats might just be a teensy bit human.You people that live in fairy-tale land with candycane bridges with marshmellow cars who think the most powerful person in the world can't have someone whacked when someone threatens their power need to get out into the real world sometime.

Rest in peace Vince. Not all of us are as naive as this guy.

Wow. Where are you getting your information? Per wiki:

An autopsy determined that he was shot in the mouth and no other wounds were found on his body.

Or maybe Vince Foster's mouth was in the back of his head?

From the same article:

There have been three official investigations into Foster's death, all of which concluded that he committed suicide.[17]

Let it go, Stat.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Who is blowing it off? How are they blowing it off?

refusing to release the long formspending so much money to get this thing dismissed in all the court cases letting a soldier off the hook on his duty, which allowed his suit to be dimissed

1. You realize it's not his call to release the long form; that's up to the hospital, right? 2. I'm not sure how much money was spent to get the court cases dismissed; whatever amount it was, it was forced on him by the ones who filed these ridiculous suits. If I were the judge involved, I would have dismissed it immediately.3. I think if the soldier refused to go to Afghanistan after volunteering, he should be court-martialed. But I don't know the details of this.

1. big fat wrong on that one2. over a million when it have cost about under 30 bucks to proiduce the document for the naysayers.3. He refused his orders on the basis that he was unsure if they were Obama was legally binding as the President. his orders were revoked, and based on his deployment being revoked, his suit was dismissed.3.

1. As a private citizen, he can't request it without a court order of some sort to contradict Hawaii state law. 2. Nope. The $30 dollar certificate was released. It wasn't considered good enough by you nutballs.3. He refused the orders in order to drum up the controversy, as he re-enlisted recently for the express purpose of the sideshow. Since he was a recent re-enlistee, there was no reason to keep the twit in the limelight.I get not liking the guy. I get not liking his policies. But making up crappy lies that can be fact-checked out of existance like the Pakistan BS is new levels of pathetic.

1. You are a big fat wrong on this one2. They are asking for the long form and rather than produce it, they;ve spent over a million on lawyers3. Seems like a stange course of action to keep dodging something rather than putting it to rest

 

[Sam Quentin]

I haven't seen GW Bush's birth certificate either.

And there's no good reason he shoudn't have needed to produce it if so challenged.

 

[urbanhack]

refusing to release the long formspending so much money to get this thing dismissed in all the court cases letting a soldier off the hook on his duty, which allowed his suit to be dimissed

1. You realize it's not his call to release the long form; that's up to the hospital, right? 2. I'm not sure how much money was spent to get the court cases dismissed; whatever amount it was, it was forced on him by the ones who filed these ridiculous suits. If I were the judge involved, I would have dismissed it immediately.3. I think if the soldier refused to go to Afghanistan after volunteering, he should be court-martialed. But I don't know the details of this.

1. big fat wrong on that one2. over a million when it have cost about under 30 bucks to proiduce the document for the naysayers.3. He refused his orders on the basis that he was unsure if they were Obama was legally binding as the President. his orders were revoked, and based on his deployment being revoked, his suit was dismissed.3.

1. As a private citizen, he can't request it without a court order of some sort to contradict Hawaii state law. 2. Nope. The $30 dollar certificate was released. It wasn't considered good enough by you nutballs.3. He refused the orders in order to drum up the controversy, as he re-enlisted recently for the express purpose of the sideshow. Since he was a recent re-enlistee, there was no reason to keep the twit in the limelight.I get not liking the guy. I get not liking his policies. But making up crappy lies that can be fact-checked out of existance like the Pakistan BS is new levels of pathetic.

1. You are a big fat wrong on this one2. They are asking for the long form and rather than produce it, they;ve spent over a million on lawyers3. Seems like a stange course of action to keep dodging something rather than putting it to rest

Do you think Obama's parents and grandparents were in on this from the start?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

:headexplode:

Jon Stewart - The Born Identity

The dissection of Lou Dobbs was great.

Did you see G. Gordon Liddy on Hard Ball??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3XvLFl2tGk

Oh my..

 

[Mr. Pickles]

LOL @ Chris

"Which hospital in Mombasa? I've been all over there."

 

[datonn]

Did you see G. Gordon Liddy on Hard Ball??

It was an absolute blood bath. But Liddy deserved it too. Chris Matthews absolutely OWNED him. Liddy had nothing. Matthews showing him the non-redacted birth certificate (complete with number), and then not letting Liddy tap-dance out of it.That's one thing about Matthews. Somebody or something gets his undies in a bunch, and he's a pit bull. He's going to do his darnedest to make you look foolish...and will take GREAT pleasure in doing so.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I think people propagating this should put something on the line here. How out their own citizenship?

 

[timschochet]

Did you see G. Gordon Liddy on Hard Ball??

It was an absolute blood bath. But Liddy deserved it too. Chris Matthews absolutely OWNED him. Liddy had nothing. Matthews showing him the non-redacted birth certificate (complete with number), and then not letting Liddy tap-dance out of it.That's one thing about Matthews. Somebody or something gets his undies in a bunch, and he's a pit bull. He's going to do his darnedest to make you look foolish...and will take GREAT pleasure in doing so.

Liddy looked really tired. I got the impression that he didn't want to be there.

 

[B-Deep]

there was a birth announcment in the local paper in hawaii afer he was born.

Do people think they phoned that in from Kenya just in case someday their little by was the communist muslim messiah who would lead america to a new future of socilaism and the worship of islam?

Makes no sense, people have held the birth certificate in their hand

ridiculous

 

[pantagrapher]

Obama has spent over a million dollars keeping this conspiracy alive by refusing to release a long form birth certificate and then allowing that soldier to skip his tour of duty.

If he released the long form certificate, most of the birthers would go away.

At this point, no it wouldn't. The same nutcases would say it's forged or whatever other crap they would spew to justify their continued belief.

You'd marginalize their numbers, and you would demonstrate a respect for the written rules.

Why don't you just admit that you're one of them?

nah, The requirement is in the Constitution, and I find it annoying and off-putting that they are just blowing it off. Personally, I think it's a stupid rule, but it's a rule, and they should make the effort to follow it and not make the effort to eschew it.

Um, this is exactly what makes you a Birther.

 

[timschochet]

there was a birth announcment in the local paper in hawaii afer he was born. Do people think they phoned that in from Kenya just in case someday their little by was the communist muslim messiah who would lead america to a new future of socilaism and the worship of islam?Makes no sense, people have held the birth certificate in their handridiculous

G Gordon Liddy found it "suspicious" that the newspaper couldn't get the hospital straight (supposedly.)

 

[B-Deep]

there was a birth announcment in the local paper in hawaii afer he was born. Do people think they phoned that in from Kenya just in case someday their little by was the communist muslim messiah who would lead america to a new future of socilaism and the worship of islam?Makes no sense, people have held the birth certificate in their handridiculous

G Gordon Liddy found it "suspicious" that the newspaper couldn't get the hospital straight (supposedly.)

okso his theory is??they phoned in the announcement from Kenya JUST IN CASE there child was destined to be the first african american president??ridiculous

 

[PatsWillWin]

there was a birth announcment in the local paper in hawaii afer he was born. Do people think they phoned that in from Kenya just in case someday their little by was the communist muslim messiah who would lead america to a new future of socilaism and the worship of islam?Makes no sense, people have held the birth certificate in their handridiculous

CRAP! Obama has invented a time machine!

 

[B-Deep]

there was a birth announcment in the local paper in hawaii afer he was born. Do people think they phoned that in from Kenya just in case someday their little by was the communist muslim messiah who would lead america to a new future of socilaism and the worship of islam?Makes no sense, people have held the birth certificate in their handridiculous

CRAP! Obama has invented a time machine!

 

[analog_hiss]

Another one stop shop for Birther lunacy: americangrandjury.org

 

[timschochet]

Another one stop shop for Birther lunacy: americangrandjury.org

That is classic!Check out the letter to Sarah Palin:

Dear Governor Palin,

Kudos, Governor. Kudos!

Your decision to ‘pass the reigns’ of Governorship of the great State of Alaska to your Lt. Governor, at a time when your skills, knowledge, dedication, abilities and insight are more urgently needed elsewhere, may well prove to be the most brilliant and propitious political move ever in our nation’s history; an act that may well lead to the saving of our Constitutional Republic.

As a former member of the U.S. Military (Capt., U.S. Army-Aviation, 1957-1964), I can not only hear the dedication you have for our Military when you speak, I can feel it as well. It helps me, as well as millions of other Americans, to renew my pride in being an American citizen of these Sovereign United States.

Governor Palin, I have also noticed the rapid erosion of our Constitutional rights, the passing (at a staccato pace) of innumerable unconstitutional laws, and the blatant attacks on our God-given inalienable rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, - not as a Democracy, but as a Constitutional Republic. As a result of this awareness (motivated by your VP candidacy last year), I became a juror on a 21st Century Citizen’s Grand Jury, one of which has recently issued a ‘True Bill’ Presentment/Indictment against Barack Hussein Obama, aka: Barry Soetoro, presumed President of the United States – Defendant. A copy of that Presentment/Indictment has been enclosed herewith.

This Citizen’s Grand Jury action has been endorsed, corroborated, and legitimized by SCOTUS Justice Antonin Scalia in a 1992 ruling when he said:

“Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, … the grand jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right..”

“In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”

I have enclosed a copy of this ‘Presentment’ in the hopes that you, as a sworn elected official - soon to be a ‘sworn-to-uphold-our-Constitution’ civilian - will get this indictment into the hands of a patriotic, honest, and duty-bound member of the judiciary or law enforcement – anywhere in these 50 United States of America – so as to order ‘Discovery’. I would be honored to provide you with any assistance you may need in the ‘serving’ of these indictments. (I personally served a set of Presentments from the May 9, 2009 American Grand Jury at the Williamson County District Court in Georgetown, TX on June 15, 2009 – copy of Cover page enclosed).

In August, as a sworn and patriotic civilian once again, you might just want to consider forming a Citizen’s Grand Jury in Alaska – to attack corruption on a local, regional, state-wide, or national level.

Finally, should you choose to pursue the Vice Presidency (or Presidency) as a strict Constitutionalist – in the new elections we will be demanding within 3 months of the imminent removal of the alleged Imposter (and the vacating of all his illegitimate appointments, signings, and Military and Executive Orders) – I will do everything in my power, along with tens of millions of oath-keeping and patriotic Americans, to see that you are elected to help lead a government that will once again represent We The People!

God Bless and Godspeed;

Neil B. Turner

Carlsbad, CA

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

The new approved method of attacking any issue is to not assert one bleieves it but that it would be irresponsible to not at least ask the question.

 

[Running with scissors]

The only people that are talking about this are crazy people on the internet. I defy you to prove otherwise.

Well, first of all Lou Dobbs has questioned it on his show. Lynn Cheney, in an interview with Larry King, suggested that while she believed he was a citizen, there was certainly "a great deal of suspicion" which gave credibility to doubters. And some Republican congressmen, including a few from California, have put forth a resolution demanding birth certificate identification. So no, sadly, it's not just the Internet.

Lou Dobbs? Lynn Cheney? I have no idea who these people are.

Are you new here? Live in a cave for the past 8-10 years?

Seriously? Should we really know of these people?

 

[timschochet]

The new approved method of attacking any issue is to not assert one bleieves it but that it would be irresponsible to not at least ask the question.

It's not new at all. It's old and practiced.1. Holocaust deniers have been making this argument for at least 50 years. Shouldn't we investigate whether Auschwitz really had gas chambers?

2. Intelligent Design Proponents claim the "gaps" in Darwin's theory should be discussed.

3. 9/11 Truthers claim no one has looked at the difficulty in destroying a steel building with fire.

4. Statorama last night pointed out how difficult it would be for Vince Foster to shoot himself in the back of the head (even though he shot himself in the mouth.)

For me, there are three types of conspiracy nuts: on the Left, on the Right, and those who believe many sporting events are fixed (ideology not necessary for these.) The characteristics of these people are usually the same.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

There always seems to be a fringe movement out there. When Clinton was President, it was the Vince Foster crowd. For most of Bush's term in office, it was the 9/11 Truther people. Now it's these Birther people. It doesn't seem to matter whether it's from the Left or the Right, these people always seem to be present and rather loud.

So how do you feel about British, Australian and Mexican troops running training missions on US soil?

I think it's part of the overall plan to turn the government of this country over to the United Nations. So?

I was serious. National Level Exercise 2009 (NLE 09)

Do you have a problem with the U.S. running training missions with our allies?

 

[Sweet J]

they phoned in the announcement from Kenya JUST IN CASE there child was destined to be the first african american president??ridiculous

I'm no birther, but let's not be totally dismissive. If I had a kid born out of the country, I would prefer that he was born in the U.S. I could see someone tempted to make a fake announcement. I could understand how someone would believe that life is easier in america for natural born citizens.

 

[ericttspikes]

Crazy conservatives are gold for the Obama White House. Helps link these nutjobs to the GOP directly and further marginalizes the party by showing how outside the "mainstream" these guys are. The best part is that for some reason many Republicans seem to embrace the crazies and help define them as the base of the party. The next few election cycles should be a circus.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

The new approved method of attacking any issue is to not assert one bleieves it but that it would be irresponsible to not at least ask the question.

It's not new at all. It's old and practiced.1. Holocaust deniers have been making this argument for at least 50 years. Shouldn't we investigate whether Auschwitz really had gas chambers?2. Intelligent Design Proponents claim the "gaps" in Darwin's theory should be discussed.

3. 9/11 Truthers claim no one has looked at the difficulty in destroying a steel building with fire.

4. Statorama last night pointed out how difficult it would be for Vince Foster to shoot himself in the back of the head (even though he shot himself in the mouth.)

For me, there are three types of conspiracy nuts: on the Left, on the Right, and those who believe many sporting events are fixed (ideology not necessary for these.) The characteristics of these people are usually the same.

I know. Sometimes its best to provide others room to make your point. I do see an increase in the practice the last 20 years or so. To me that time frame is a small one, for some it may be the majority of their lie and therefore seem to be the existing norm.

 

[Sam Quentin]

there was a birth announcment in the local paper in hawaii afer he was born. Do people think they phoned that in from Kenya just in case someday their little by was the communist muslim messiah who would lead america to a new future of socilaism and the worship of islam?Makes no sense, people have held the birth certificate in their handridiculous

G Gordon Liddy found it "suspicious" that the newspaper couldn't get the hospital straight (supposedly.)

okso his theory is??they phoned in the announcement from Kenya JUST IN CASE there child was destined to be the first african american president??ridiculous

nobody's forwarding that theory.

 

[fsword]

Undisputed facts:

President Obama has failed to make public his Certificate of Live Birth, choosing instead to produce a Certification of Live Birth. Until recently, the State of Hawaii wouldn't accept this as standalone documentation to qualify as a native Hawaiian as part of their Homelands program because this certification could be attained without being a native Hawaiian.

Obama or his legal appointee can more easily attain a copy of the Certificate of Live Birth (should it exist) than defend countless lawsuits seeking its disclosure.

The Constitution of the United States requires the President to be a natural born citizen. The President has yet to display this proof publicly. (It is great irony the Senate held debate over McCain on this issue.)

Press on each side of the issue have shredded the truth in their reporting. There is a substantial difference in the information contained on a Certification of Live Birth and on a Certificate of Live Birth. The use of the word "birth certificate" simply obscures facts. The use of the "passport" analogy is also flawed. A US citizen can obtain a passport without being "natural born".

Reality check and conspiracy aside, this is just another example of broken campaign promises by President Obama. He promised a degree of openess surpassing all previous administrations. He has reneged on this regarding legislative review, so it should be no surprise he does so in his private life, even in matters of Constitutional eligibility.

Why not disclose his Certificate of Live Birth?

 

[Running with scissors]

 

[ElGatoLoco]

they phoned in the announcement from Kenya JUST IN CASE there child was destined to be the first african american president??ridiculous

I'm no birther, but let's not be totally dismissive. If I had a kid born out of the country, I would prefer that he was born in the U.S. I could see someone tempted to make a fake announcement. I could understand how someone would believe that life is easier in america for natural born citizens.

Why not just become a naturalized citizen? There really wouldn't have been any difference for him except that he couldn't run for President. I mean, what you are suggesting is that his parents anticipated that an African man would become President of the US in 1961; and somehow they've convinced all these people of the lie or they are all in on it.

 

[B-Deep]

they phoned in the announcement from Kenya JUST IN CASE there child was destined to be the first african american president??

ridiculous

I'm no birther, but let's not be totally dismissive. If I had a kid born out of the country, I would prefer that he was born in the U.S. I could see someone tempted to make a fake announcement. I could understand how someone would believe that life is easier in america for natural born citizens.

why?a citizen is a citizen, unless they want to be president

 

[B-Deep]

there was a birth announcment in the local paper in hawaii afer he was born. Do people think they phoned that in from Kenya just in case someday their little by was the communist muslim messiah who would lead america to a new future of socilaism and the worship of islam?Makes no sense, people have held the birth certificate in their handridiculous

G Gordon Liddy found it "suspicious" that the newspaper couldn't get the hospital straight (supposedly.)

okso his theory is??they phoned in the announcement from Kenya JUST IN CASE there child was destined to be the first african american president??ridiculous

nobody's forwarding that theory.

what is the theory then?time machine?

 

[B-Deep]

Undisputed facts:

President Obama has failed to make public his Certificate of Live Birth, choosing instead to produce a Certification of Live Birth. Until recently, the State of Hawaii wouldn't accept this as standalone documentation to qualify as a native Hawaiian as part of their Homelands program because this certification could be attained without being a native Hawaiian.

Obama or his legal appointee can more easily attain a copy of the Certificate of Live Birth (should it exist) than defend countless lawsuits seeking its disclosure.

because he was born in kenya, and his parents then ran an add in hawaii announcing his birh, and went abou getting fake documents so that one day he could bring his socialist islamic platform to the united statesDUH

 

[Sam Quentin]

Congresssman Ted Poe and Roland Martin on Dobbs' show

They both come off pretty well here IMO

 

[B-Deep]

Congresssman Ted Poe and Roland Martin on Dobbs' show

you never answered my "what is the theory" question...and if lou dobbs thinks he is a citizen then why is he wasting cycles on this?

 

[Sam Quentin]

Congresssman Ted Poe and Roland Martin on Dobbs' show

If you and your wife happened to be out of the country when your baby was born, wouldn't you still want to run an announcement in your hometown paper?

 

[pantagrapher]

Congresssman Ted Poe and Roland Martin on Dobbs' show

Are you ready to admit that you're a Birther yet?

 

[ElGatoLoco]

refusing to release the long form

spending so much money to get this thing dismissed in all the court cases

letting a soldier off the hook on his duty, which allowed his suit to be dimissed

1. You realize it's not his call to release the long form; that's up to the hospital, right? 2. I'm not sure how much money was spent to get the court cases dismissed; whatever amount it was, it was forced on him by the ones who filed these ridiculous suits. If I were the judge involved, I would have dismissed it immediately.

3. I think if the soldier refused to go to Afghanistan after volunteering, he should be court-martialed. But I don't know the details of this.

1. big fat wrong on that one2. over a million when it have cost about under 30 bucks to proiduce the document for the naysayers.

3. He refused his orders on the basis that he was unsure if they were Obama was legally binding as the President. his orders were revoked, and based on his deployment being revoked, his suit was dismissed.

3.

1. As a private citizen, he can't request it without a court order of some sort to contradict Hawaii state law. 2. Nope. The $30 dollar certificate was released. It wasn't considered good enough by you nutballs.

3. He refused the orders in order to drum up the controversy, as he re-enlisted recently for the express purpose of the sideshow. Since he was a recent re-enlistee, there was no reason to keep the twit in the limelight.

I get not liking the guy. I get not liking his policies. But making up crappy lies that can be fact-checked out of existance like the Pakistan BS is new levels of pathetic.

1. You are a big fat wrong on this one2. They are asking for the long form and rather than produce it, they;ve spent over a million on lawyers

3. Seems like a stange course of action to keep dodging something rather than putting it to rest

[inigo Montoya] You keep using those words. I do not think it means what you think it means. [/inigo Montoya]I don't think any kind of evidence would convince you to change your belief. In fact, I make it a point not to argue with people's beliefs, and I'd encourage others to do the same.