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It's a statement of fact. People have advanced the notion that he is somehow powerless to release his own birth certificate. Those assertions are flat out wrong. He can do it anytime he wants.It's not a matter of "belief." To paraphrase, you are entitled to your own beliefs, but not your own facts.
I don't know. Did John McCain's parents do that?
He provided proof of birth in the U.S.. What more do you want?
True, he's not black.
The lawsuits are asking for the vault copy of his birth certificate. Produce that and don't let any Maj Cook's go legally AWOL.
oh yeah that it....do you ever contribute anything to these boards other than insults?
It's another example of a prominent American that ran for the Presidency born while his parents were not in their hometown. Closest example I could come up with on short notice. You brought the question of whether somebody like that would want to run an announcement in the hometown paper. Did the McCains run an ad? Do you think it would be irrelevant if McCain were President instead? I mean McCain says that he was born on 'U.S. soil' in the Panama Canal. Does he have proof?
I don't care about Major Cook. Why isn't the official documentation that the State of Hawaii provided not sufficient to establish his birth there? Why wouldn't the statement of the Governor of the State of Hawaii not be good enough? Why do they need this specific document so important?
Just making the point that a newpaper announcement, while evidence, isn't really proof, and there are a lot of reasons why an ad might run that doesn't involve some conspiracy to take over the world or a time machine.
The document provided has only been authenticated by a few fly by night websitesThe state of Hawaii has only said they have a document on file. If the Governor has said anything otherwise, please post a link.Alos, this is history. The President was born less than 50 years ago, and we know so little about his birth. Up until a few weeks ago Snopes, some UPI reports and wikipedia had the wrong hospital listed. The historical aspect of this is fascinating too.
Can we imply from your point that it is your belief that President Obama's parents placed the ad in the Hawaii papers while out of the country?
Corrected.
Not France, though. I'll be damned if my boy is gonna grow up to be president of France.
Do I have to prove to you, like I have with so many others, that information on Wiki is unreliable?Check out the latest info on Ivan Karamazov:
nofalse dichotomy
All I wrote was that wiki says Vince Foster was shot in the mouth. The whole basis of your conspiracy theory is that you said he was shot in the back of the head. I'll ask again: where did you get that info and can you link it, please?
I don't mean to detract from the blatant fishing and crazy that's going on in much of this thread, but what exactly is this, bueno?I did a quick google search and it came up as an anti-terrorism training exercise. And Britain, Australia, and Mexico are 3 of our biggest allies. This seems like a good thing to me. Am I missing something?
I didn't have to read it. I lived it brother.
When do you think the family first got serious about planning for all of this? 1960 or 1961?
How is it a lie?
CNN/Klein are now saying that the original was discarded...
Didn't the Politico have a story where they said this should be put to rest because someone had seen the hardcopy? Now (edit: the hospital is) saying that there is no hard copy? whoa.
Perhaps we'd have more answers right now if the director of the hospital hadn't only recently killed himself under very mysterious circumstances by shooting himself in the back of the head...
"Electronic Record" means different things to different people. If it was a computer scan of the original document, I'm ok with that. But if it's just data on a little excel spreadsheet with the Obama vitals in there, the birthers might have something here.
Tim, they don't kill the ones that are covering for them. The loyal soldiers don't have to worry about eating a glock sandwich.
The electronic is not the original copy. It simply isn't. You'd think sometime over the last year and half she might have mentioned that the original was discarded, instead of saying that she had personally seen it.
Sam, stop wasting time with details and just admit you think he's an illegal alien and should be deported. Come on, you can admit it here to me. No one else is reading this.
Who knows? At this point, I don't see how either side is going to settle this to the other's satisfaction.
I have a problem with foreign troops on US soil obstensively to protect us from terrorism.
I agree with you, and here is what I propose: until they leave, we go hide ourselves in the woods, and attack them with guerilla warfare. We could call ourselves, "The Wolverines".
Can you name one such suit? (I've looked. The suits I've seen against Obama don't ask for any new copies of his birth certificate. The just say the one already produced is a fraud.)
Other than precedent, two things bother me about this.1. I believe last time a substantial number of foreign troops were on our soil not in POW camps was the battle of New Orleans. I for one, don't want foreign troops on American soil. I don't care if they are friendlies.2. The NLE 09 scenario will begin in the aftermath of a notional terrorist event outside of the United States, and exercise play will center on preventing subsequent efforts by the terrorists to enter the United States and carry out additional attacks. This scenario enables participating senior officials to focus on issues related to preventing terrorist events domestically and protecting U.S. critical infrastructure. I don't see this as something that foreign troops should be doing on American soil. Protecting the Homeland is the job of our military and our National Guards, not foreign troops. So why are we training them to do that? This is to test and validate our Homeland Security system. Not a job for which we need to be training foreign troops.
Hey, that would be fun. Going to have to find my RPGs now....
You're forgetting the war of Yankee Agression!
Pretty ironic how the Senate held hearings to determine McCain's eligibility, isn't it.
So why don't they simply release the electronic version of his Certificate of Live Birth?
Seems pretty simple for a President preaching open government.
