The Birther Conspiracy Thread (3 Viewers)

[ConstruxBoy]

Here's my question:What is the official process for this? What did they do with W and Clinton and HW, etc. Do they just ask for a copy of the Birth Certificate from the Presidential nominee? That seems weak. I mean, they could produce a fake one. So I would guess that they would instead ask the candidate when and where they were born and then have them sign a form giving whomever the authority to ask for their birth certificate. Right? Why would we just take one from a Candidate without talking to the state?

Actually, i believe they just sign a document attesting to the fact that they meet all of requirements.When they first questioned O, he posted an image file of the Certification on the DailyKos website and then his own.When some people claimed it was forged, some people from another website and Chris mathews got a paper copy and they declared that it looked real and unforged to them, (experts that they are).When they went back to the state of Hawaii, Hawaii only said that they have a document on file, which is useless since one doesn't have to be born in Hawaii to have a document on file.Then CNN claimed to have confirmed with Hawaii state officials that the orginal was destroyed.Finally, last week, the state of Hawaii said the original hasn't been destroyed, but they stated publicly that the answer to the critical question was that the original document says he was born in the US.and millions of dollars, lots name-calling and one legalized deserter later, that's where we are.

Thanks. Frankly, that seems like a dumb process. I would make everyone on the ballot for President sign a statement releasing their Birth Certificate and just have someone contact the state/hospital to see it themselves and verify.

I agree, but anybody proposing that right now is being called a lunatic.

Well, but really, if that's the case then we don't "know" for sure whether any President has been a natural born citizen, right? Did we see Clinton's birth certificate (long form or short)? What about Reagan's? So really, aren't you and other Birthers holding Obama to a higher standard than you've held other Presidents?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

the left had the "Truthers" and the 9/11 conspiracy, now the right has the "Birthers" and the obama citizen conspiracy.I think this was disproved about 8 months ago, conclusively, with much egg on my own face at the time. when confronted with overwhelming facts, the obvious thing is to change your mind, not create an even bigger conspiracy.

Remember any senators asking questions about 9/11 being an inside job? I don't either.

 

[P Boy]

Well, but really, if that's the case then we don't "know" for sure whether any President has been a natural born citizen, right? Did we see Clinton's birth certificate (long form or short)? What about Reagan's? So really, aren't you and other Birthers holding Obama to a higher standard than you've held other Presidents?

Is this the "but-everybody-else-was-speeding" defense?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

P-Boy, do you believe that Obama should be tried for impersonating an American citizen, or should we simply deport him as an illegal alien?

I don't know if he is a natural born citizen or not. I haven't seen sufficient proof either way to convince me.

[Whoopi]Well what do you think?[/Whoopi]

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Well, but really, if that's the case then we don't "know" for sure whether any President has been a natural born citizen, right? Did we see Clinton's birth certificate (long form or short)? What about Reagan's? So really, aren't you and other Birthers holding Obama to a higher standard than you've held other Presidents?

Is this the "but-everybody-else-was-speeding" defense?

LOL, if you want it to be. But if the process of determining if someone was speeding is to ask them and then you change the process for a guy you don't like to include a detailed analysis of the bugs killed on their windshield, then I think it's fair to argue that you're no longer determining the same thing.

 

[P Boy]

P-Boy, do you believe that Obama should be tried for impersonating an American citizen, or should we simply deport him as an illegal alien?

I don't know if he is a natural born citizen or not. I haven't seen sufficient proof either way to convince me.

[Whoopi]Well what do you think?[/Whoopi]

I honestly don't know. I do know that if this evolves into something substantial it could amount to a massive black eye for us, which I'd sincerely prefer not to see. I'd just like to see some verification. I also am practical enough to know that I probably never will and that the debate will continue to evolve into more name calling rather than a calling for facts.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Here's my question:What is the official process for this? What did they do with W and Clinton and HW, etc. Do they just ask for a copy of the Birth Certificate from the Presidential nominee? That seems weak. I mean, they could produce a fake one. So I would guess that they would instead ask the candidate when and where they were born and then have them sign a form giving whomever the authority to ask for their birth certificate. Right? Why would we just take one from a Candidate without talking to the state?

Actually, i believe they just sign a document attesting to the fact that they meet all of requirements.When they first questioned O, he posted an image file of the Certification on the DailyKos website and then his own.When some people claimed it was forged, some people from another website and Chris mathews got a paper copy and they declared that it looked real and unforged to them, (experts that they are).When they went back to the state of Hawaii, Hawaii only said that they have a document on file, which is useless since one doesn't have to be born in Hawaii to have a document on file.Then CNN claimed to have confirmed with Hawaii state officials that the orginal was destroyed.Finally, last week, the state of Hawaii said the original hasn't been destroyed, but they stated publicly that the answer to the critical question was that the original document says he was born in the US.and millions of dollars, lots name-calling and one legalized deserter later, that's where we are.

Thanks. Frankly, that seems like a dumb process. I would make everyone on the ballot for President sign a statement releasing their Birth Certificate and just have someone contact the state/hospital to see it themselves and verify.

I agree, but anybody proposing that right now is being called a lunatic.

Well, but really, if that's the case then we don't "know" for sure whether any President has been a natural born citizen, right? Did we see Clinton's birth certificate (long form or short)? What about Reagan's? So really, aren't you and other Birthers holding Obama to a higher standard than you've held other Presidents?

Frankly, it hasn't come up before, but it probably should have. I'm unaware of what documents other Presidents have made public, but I would absolutely agree that those are legitimate documents to ask for.Part of the issue, in this case is that if both parents are citizens, then it doesn't matter where the child is born. If one parent is American, and the other is a British citizen, then the location would come into play.

 

[P Boy]

LOL, if you want it to be. But if the process of determining if someone was speeding is to ask them and then you change the process for a guy you don't like to include a detailed analysis of the bugs killed on their windshield, then I think it's fair to argue that you're no longer determining the same thing.

Change the process? I don't quite understand. It seems really clear cut to me. The Constitution has certain minimal requirements for a President. Some Americans would like verification that the current President meets those requirements. I would have much rather seen this take place before the elections, but regardless, the bar is set - albeit not very high, but set nonetheless. Any American ought to be able to ask for that verification of minimal requirements at any time without making the asked upset or feeling that they need to go on the attack. That it hasn't happened doesn't mean that it shouldn't have happened.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

LOL, if you want it to be. But if the process of determining if someone was speeding is to ask them and then you change the process for a guy you don't like to include a detailed analysis of the bugs killed on their windshield, then I think it's fair to argue that you're no longer determining the same thing.

Change the process? I don't quite understand. It seems really clear cut to me. The Constitution has certain minimal requirements for a President. Some Americans would like verification that the current President meets those requirements. I would have much rather seen this take place before the elections, but regardless, the bar is set - albeit not very high, but set nonetheless.

Gotta run but:Yes, the process for these other Presidents has been to sign some paper saying they are a natural born citizen. Again, that strikes me a weak process, but that's what it is. Obama did that. So now you and others want to change the process to include producing a birth certificate. Actually a particular type of birth certificate, right? So how is that not changing the process?

 

[Running with scissors]

Conspiracy theories are not necessarily always wrong, mind you, and there is nothing that inherently makes them wrong. So let me clear here, I’m not out to denigrate the world’s conspiracy theorists, y’all keep you doing your thing (as I’m sure you will). But what I am trying to point out is that conspiracy theorists don’t generally give up on their theories very easily, if at all, because, generally speaking, they’re convinced of the veracity of said theory before it’s been proven true or false.So look, you can provide a conspiracy theorist with any heap of evidence to the contrary of their theory, be it large or small, definitive or circumstantial, that person will generally find a way of wriggling around your presentation because they generally prefer to believe their story.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Bernie Goldberg says what many of us are already thinking:

“The Chicago mafia inside the White House want to keep this crazy controversy going, because the longer it goes the better the chance that they will conflate the crazy right-wing fringe with regular conservatives and regular Republicans…”

“They want to keep this thing going to make regular Republicans and regular conservatives look like a bunch of lunatics. Don’t put that past the guys in the White House.”

http://polijamblog.polijam.com/?p=3824

 

[Running with scissors]

one can start to see why people like Barack Obama and Sarah Palin aren’t willing to give conspiracy theorists what they want: because it is unlikely to actually leave them feeling like their questions have been answered and thereby put the issue to rest because conspiracy theories don’t generally rest on evidence and reason, they rest on speculation and preference. In fact, what their cooperation is more likely to do is to give credence and legitimacy to the issue at hand, and so, just as many foreign policy experts will tell you that you can’t negotiate with terrorists, it is most often times not advisable to barter with conspiracy theorists.

In some senses, both Obama and Palin are to commended for their unwillingness to bend to the will of conspiracy theorists, in their particular instances they are standing up to a political discourse of vapidity and innuendo and saying, “Look, I’ve got more important things to attend to.” Regardless of what one might think about Barack Obama or Sarah Palin, I think we can all agree that we’ve got better things to attend to than a discourse of vapidity and innuendo…

Well, not here in the FFA where vapidity and innuendo are the currency of great LULZ.

 

[Running with scissors]

Bernie Goldberg says what many of us are already thinking:

“The Chicago mafia inside the White House want to keep this crazy controversy going, because the longer it goes the better the chance that they will conflate the crazy right-wing fringe with regular conservatives and regular Republicans…”

“They want to keep this thing going to make regular Republicans and regular conservatives look like a bunch of lunatics. Don’t put that past the guys in the White House.”

http://polijamblog.polijam.com/?p=3824

or this is what many of us are thinking: (in the comments)

Giving truck to the nutters is bad strategy. Bend on this hysteria and what comes next? Never forget the golden maxim: Don’t engage with idiots; they will drag you to their level and beat you with experience.

 

[P Boy]

Gotta run but:Yes, the process for these other Presidents has been to sign some paper saying they are a natural born citizen. Again, that strikes me a weak process, but that's what it is. Obama did that. So now you and others want to change the process to include producing a birth certificate. Actually a particular type of birth certificate, right? So how is that not changing the process?

Actually, no one changed the process. Last time I checked, Obama was still the President. But this birth certificate issue seems to be gaining momentum, and could change the way business is done before an elected President takes office - and rightfully so. For Pete's sake, you just need to produce an official document which is very easy to obtain that proves compliance with the Constitution.I just find it amazing that no one really went after this well before the election. C'mon - the Clintons are the ultimate political street fighters. They couldn't rid themselves of Obama so Hillary could ride the anti-W wave into office?

 

[Sam Quentin]

Gotta run but:Yes, the process for these other Presidents has been to sign some paper saying they are a natural born citizen. Again, that strikes me a weak process, but that's what it is. Obama did that. So now you and others want to change the process to include producing a birth certificate. Actually a particular type of birth certificate, right? So how is that not changing the process?

Actually, no one changed the process. Last time I checked, Obama was still the President. But this birth certificate issue seems to be gaining momentum, and could change the way business is done before an elected President takes office - and rightfully so. For Pete's sake, you just need to produce an official document which is very easy to obtain that proves compliance with the Constitution.I just find it amazing that no one really went after this well before the election. C'mon - the Clintons are the ultimate political street fighters. They couldn't rid themselves of Obama so Hillary could ride the anti-W wave into office?

The issue has been on the table for close to two years

 

[analog_hiss]

Interesting read:

The Origins and Interpretation of the Presidential Eligibility Clause in the U.S. Constitution: Why Did the Founding Fathers Want the President To Be a "Natural Born Citizen" and What Does this Clause Mean for Foreign-Born Adoptees?

 

[Gigantomachia]

Gotta run but:Yes, the process for these other Presidents has been to sign some paper saying they are a natural born citizen. Again, that strikes me a weak process, but that's what it is. Obama did that. So now you and others want to change the process to include producing a birth certificate. Actually a particular type of birth certificate, right? So how is that not changing the process?

Actually, no one changed the process. Last time I checked, Obama was still the President. But this birth certificate issue seems to be gaining momentum, and could change the way business is done before an elected President takes office - and rightfully so. For Pete's sake, you just need to produce an official document which is very easy to obtain that proves compliance with the Constitution.I just find it amazing that no one really went after this well before the election. C'mon - the Clintons are the ultimate political street fighters. They couldn't rid themselves of Obama so Hillary could ride the anti-W wave into office?

Clueless.

 

[adonis]

Gotta run but:Yes, the process for these other Presidents has been to sign some paper saying they are a natural born citizen. Again, that strikes me a weak process, but that's what it is. Obama did that. So now you and others want to change the process to include producing a birth certificate. Actually a particular type of birth certificate, right? So how is that not changing the process?

Actually, no one changed the process. Last time I checked, Obama was still the President. But this birth certificate issue seems to be gaining momentum, and could change the way business is done before an elected President takes office - and rightfully so. For Pete's sake, you just need to produce an official document which is very easy to obtain that proves compliance with the Constitution.I just find it amazing that no one really went after this well before the election. C'mon - the Clintons are the ultimate political street fighters. They couldn't rid themselves of Obama so Hillary could ride the anti-W wave into office?

Keep on fighting the good fight P Boy. You're doing a service for those who are closely politically aligned.

 

[tommyboy]

the left had the "Truthers" and the 9/11 conspiracy, now the right has the "Birthers" and the obama citizen conspiracy.

I think this was disproved about 8 months ago, conclusively, with much egg on my own face at the time. when confronted with overwhelming facts, the obvious thing is to change your mind, not create an even bigger conspiracy.

Remember any senators asking questions about 9/11 being an inside job? I don't either.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread364413/pg1http://impeachment.kucinich.us/index.php?o...07&Itemid=9

http://www.911blogger.com/node/1283

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm

http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer

http://www.impeachbush.tv/

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls...oq=&aqi=g10

GIBSON: And that was Republican vs. Republican. According to a recent Rasmussen Report poll, 35 percent of Democrats think President Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks beforehand. The so-called 9/11 Truth Movement has already infected people like Rosie O'Donnell and one in three Democrats,

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273343,00.html

 

[Voltaire]

the left had the "Truthers" and the 9/11 conspiracy, now the right has the "Birthers" and the obama citizen conspiracy.

I think this was disproved about 8 months ago, conclusively, with much egg on my own face at the time. when confronted with overwhelming facts, the obvious thing is to change your mind, not create an even bigger conspiracy.

Remember any senators asking questions about 9/11 being an inside job? I don't either.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread364413/pg1http://impeachment.kucinich.us/index.php?o...07&Itemid=9

http://www.911blogger.com/node/1283

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm

http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer

http://www.impeachbush.tv/

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls...oq=&aqi=g10

GIBSON: And that was Republican vs. Republican. According to a recent Rasmussen Report poll, 35 percent of Democrats think President Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks beforehand. The so-called 9/11 Truth Movement has already infected people like Rosie O'Donnell and one in three Democrats,

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273343,00.html

Can we all at least agree that the Truthers and Birthers are the same kind of crazy? South Park did an excellent episode on the Truthers, I hope they have one coming up for the Birther crazies.Did anyone see Colbert the other night when he had one of these people on? Her name was Orally (the lawyer for the Army ##### uh I mean guy who didn't deploy) and she was forceful in the fact that Obama's dad wasn't a citizen, so he isn't eligible for the presidency. Colbert could barely stay in character in front of her. It should be on youtube or comedycentral.com. It's definitely worth a watch.

 

[Woogie Lee]

the left had the "Truthers" and the 9/11 conspiracy, now the right has the "Birthers" and the obama citizen conspiracy.

I think this was disproved about 8 months ago, conclusively, with much egg on my own face at the time. when confronted with overwhelming facts, the obvious thing is to change your mind, not create an even bigger conspiracy.

Remember any senators asking questions about 9/11 being an inside job? I don't either.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread364413/pg1http://impeachment.kucinich.us/index.php?o...07&Itemid=9

http://www.911blogger.com/node/1283

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm

http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer

http://www.impeachbush.tv/

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls...oq=&aqi=g10

GIBSON: And that was Republican vs. Republican. According to a recent Rasmussen Report poll, 35 percent of Democrats think President Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks beforehand. The so-called 9/11 Truth Movement has already infected people like Rosie O'Donnell and one in three Democrats,

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273343,00.html

A link to an "Above Top Secret" message board thread?Really?

 

[analog_hiss]

Here's my question:What is the official process for this? What did they do with W and Clinton and HW, etc. Do they just ask for a copy of the Birth Certificate from the Presidential nominee? That seems weak. I mean, they could produce a fake one. So I would guess that they would instead ask the candidate when and where they were born and then have them sign a form giving whomever the authority to ask for their birth certificate. Right? Why would we just take one from a Candidate without talking to the state?

The process of eligibility is up to the election official of each state, ie Secretary of State. Each primary candidate for president must file in each state and territory they wish to appear on the ballot. Their eligibility is determined by the state. Please see the two lawsuits filed and denied in SCotUS:Cort Wrotnowski v. Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut Secretary of StateLeo C. Donofrio v. New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell WellsThe Donofrio case was interesting in that he didn't deny the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii, rather, he believed that since Obama was born to a father that was a Kenyan national, he was a subject of British rule; meaning Obama held dual citizenship, and therefor not was not eligible to run for president as a natural born citizen.

 

[analog_hiss]

Justice Thomas distributes Obama case for conference

By Linda Bentley | November 21, 2008

Foreign national certified as presidential candidate

WASHINGTON, D.C. – On Wednesday, Nov. 19, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas distributed Leo C. Denofrio’s renewed application for a stay of the election for conference on Dec. 5.

If four of the nine justices favor review, a hearing will be scheduled.

His first application was denied by Justice David Souter on Nov. 6. However, rules of the court allow for the renewed submission to a justice of choice.

Beginning in October, Denofrio made his way up through the ranks of the courts until his constitutional question as to the meaning of “natural born citizen” reached the Supreme Court.

He submitted an application for an emergency stay to prohibit the use of what he called “defective ballots” in the state of New Jersey because they contained ineligible candidates for the office of President of the United States, and asked that the court order New Jersey Secretary of State (SOS) Nina Mitchell Wells to remove the names of Republican candidate John McCain, Democratic candidate Barack Obama and Socialist Workers Party candidate Roger Calero from New Jersey ballots.

According to Denofrio, the three candidates are not “natural born citizens,” as required by the Constitution to hold the office of President of the United States.

Leo DenofrioDenofrio contends Obama, even if it were proven he was born in Hawaii, because his father was born in Kenya, having been born with split and competing loyalties, is not a ‘natural born citizen’ as required by Article 2, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution.”

Denofrio contacted the New Jersey SOS Elections Division on Oct. 22 to determine what steps the SOS had taken to determine whether any of the presidential candidates listed on the New Jersey ballots were eligible for the office.

He was informed by Elections Manager Donna Barber the SOS took no steps to determine eligibility and assumed eligibility based only upon the fact they had been nominated.

However, New Jersey statute requires Wells to make a “statement” wherein she certifies, under her hand and official seal of office, the names … “of all such candidates for whom the voters within such county may be by law entitled to vote at such election.”

On Oct. 23, Denofrio spoke to Barber, who again informed him she had no reason to object to such party nominations and the statutory deadline for objections had passed. Barber specifically stated the Elections Division would not change ballots at such a late date.

Denofrio says New Jersey voters must rely upon the SOS to safeguard the integrity of their electoral process, especially during presidential cycles “when she must be most vigilant of her oath of office.”

If the SOS doesn’t protect the citizens of New Jersey, Denofrio states it is then up to the citizens to command Wells to do so.

As a result of Wells’ “misfeasance,” Denofrio says the state’s ballots contain the names of three presidential candidates who are not, “by law entitled,” to hold the office of President of the United States.

Denofrio states McCain was born in Panama, Calero was born in Nicaragua and Obama’s birthplace has not been verified.

He asks, “If the SOS’s role is clerical, then who is responsible for Roger Calero appearing on the ballots?”

Calero, born in Nicaragua, not only is not a “natural born citizen,” he isn’t even a citizen. He’s a resident alien who also appeared on numerous state ballots during the 2004 presidential election.

While the Socialist Workers Party was somehow qualified to place its candidate on the ballot in 10 states, five of those states refused to list Caldero on their ballots because he is not constitutionally qualified and substituted candidate James Harris, a “surrogate nominee.”

Denofrio states, “… had the U.S. legislature intended to grant ‘natural born citizen’ status to all who were born on U.S. soil, then the 14th Amendment would contain the words ‘natural born citizen,’ but it doesn’t … McCain was born in Panama. Panama is not considered U.S. soil, nor has it ever been considered as such.”

The Naturalization Act of 1790 stated, “… the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens ...”

However, Denofrio points out the Naturalization Act of 1795 specifically repealed the 1790 act and replaced it with the same clause except with the words “natural born” deleted.

Denofrio also quotes a section from the U.S. Department of State’s Foreign Affairs Manual, which states, “Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.”

Denofrio says McCain was neither born on U.S. soil, nor was he naturalized and is a citizen at birth by statute, which is also addressed in the Foreign Affairs Manual.

McCain is neither “natural born” nor naturalized, says Denofrio. Instead, he may claim citizenship from 8 USC 1402(a): “Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after Feb. 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.”

In other words, Denofrio states, “McCain is in the class of citizens who obtain their citizenship at birth, but not from the Constitution, but rather federal statute.”

The Foreign Affairs Manual also addresses the issue of eligibility for president as such: “It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.”

As far as the issues surrounding Obama’s birth certificate are concerned, Denofrio states Obama has not been presented with a legal request from a party with proper standing to command him in any way, and therefore has no legal responsibility to produce one.

However, Denofrio says he believes if “Obama is presented with a legal request from a government authority sanctioned to make such request, that Senator Obama will respond accordingly and put the issue behind him forever.

“That being said, petitioner regretfully submits that since candidate Obama was born to a Kenyan father, he also is not eligible to the office of president since he is not a ‘natural born citizen’ by the Constitution.”

In conclusion Denofrio states had the legislature intended to grant “natural born citizen” status to all who were born on U.S. soil, the 14th Amendment would contain the words “natural born citizen.”

He said, “And so this proposition leads to the logical conclusion that a natural born citizen is a citizen born in the United States to parents, neither of which is an alien. Having an alien parent would tie such person at birth to the possibility of other loyalties and laws. And such a person, even if he is as loyal and devoted to this country as Senators Obama and McCain have proven to be, is not eligible to hold the office of President of the United States.”

 

[P Boy]

Did I ever get a logical response to my question on how the hospital in which Obama was born changed on or about July 7th of this year?

 

[timschochet]

Did I ever get a logical response to my question on how the hospital in which Obama was born changed on or about July 7th of this year?

Can you provide a credible link to this interesting fact?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Hawaii was stolen by the United States and greedy sugar planters from it's rightful owners, Queen Liliokalani and her family. It was illegal, according to United States treaty and international law for Hawaii to become a state in the first place. Barack Obama was not really born on legitimate American soil.

I like this new tactic.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

New Jersey election law lawsuits..... Like the law matters here. What a baffoon.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Lot of good info here.

 

[analog_hiss]

Just to get this straight: Obama has fooled all the state election officials, the DNC, the RNC, the Electoral College, and the US Congress certification process in order to become president?

 

[Sam Quentin]

Just to get this straight: Obama has fooled all the state election officials, the DNC, the RNC, the Electoral College, and the US Congress certification process in order to become president?

you had some good posts, but you really followed it up with a clunker.If he's never asked to produce documentation of NBC, then he hasn't "fooled" anybody.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Just to get this straight: Obama has fooled all the state election officials, the DNC, the RNC, the Electoral College, and the US Congress certification process in order to become president?

He didn't fool anybody. They're all in on a 48-year long conspiracy.

 

[Knobs]

It's a brilliant strategy by Obama for now, but just wait until it comes out there is some truth to this (as was previously mentioned, it probably lists him as a Muslim or something like that).

Can't wait for this thing to backfire.

 

[timschochet]

It's a brilliant strategy by Obama for now, but just wait until it comes out there is some truth to this (as was previously mentioned, it probably lists him as a Muslim or something like that). Can't wait for this thing to backfire.

This whole Muslim thing has always been a red herring. You guys just don't get it.Obama is a worshipper of Pele, Goddess of the Volcano. His sole aim as President has always been to bring sovereignity back to the native Hawaiians.

 

[analog_hiss]

Just to get this straight: Obama has fooled all the state election officials, the DNC, the RNC, the Electoral College, and the US Congress certification process in order to become president?

you had some good posts, but you really followed it up with a clunker.If he's never asked to produce documentation of NBC, then he hasn't "fooled" anybody.

So if this issue, as you stated, has been on the table for two years, then why didn't the Dem primary opponents nail Obama with it? Why didn't the McCain/Palin campaign (those of the palling around with terrorists camp) bring the "natural born citizen" point up in the campaign? Why didn't all the pro-McCain/Palin 527's bring it up?

 

[timschochet]

Just to get this straight: Obama has fooled all the state election officials, the DNC, the RNC, the Electoral College, and the US Congress certification process in order to become president?

you had some good posts, but you really followed it up with a clunker.If he's never asked to produce documentation of NBC, then he hasn't "fooled" anybody.

So if this issue, as you stated, has been on the table for two years, then why didn't the Dem primary opponents nail Obama with it? Why didn't the McCain/Palin campaign (those of the palling around with terrorists camp) bring the "natural born citizen" point up in the campaign? Why didn't all the pro-McCain/Palin 527's bring it up?

Two possibilties:1. They've all been duped.

2. Some of them are in on it.

By the way, these same two possibilities are the unanswerable response to all challenges to conspiracies everywhere.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

It's a brilliant strategy by Obama for now, but just wait until it comes out there is some truth to this (as was previously mentioned, it probably lists him as a Muslim or something like that). Can't wait for this thing to backfire.

Does your birth certificate list your religion? Mine doesn't.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

It's a brilliant strategy by Obama for now, but just wait until it comes out there is some truth to this (as was previously mentioned, it probably lists him as a Muslim or something like that). Can't wait for this thing to backfire.

Does your birth certificate list your religion? Mine doesn't.

Apparently in some states, religion is listed. I have no idea why or if this was true in Hawaii.

 

[ericttspikes]

Bernie Goldberg says what many of us are already thinking:

“The Chicago mafia inside the White House want to keep this crazy controversy going, because the longer it goes the better the chance that they will conflate the crazy right-wing fringe with regular conservatives and regular Republicans…”

“They want to keep this thing going to make regular Republicans and regular conservatives look like a bunch of lunatics. Don’t put that past the guys in the White House.”

http://polijamblog.polijam.com/?p=3824

BINGO.The GOP base is moving further to crazy everyday. That dentist/lawyer/real estate chick with an accent is good TV!!!! Love seeing her.

 

[Knobs]

It's a brilliant strategy by Obama for now, but just wait until it comes out there is some truth to this (as was previously mentioned, it probably lists him as a Muslim or something like that). Can't wait for this thing to backfire.

Does your birth certificate list your religion? Mine doesn't.

As Pickles already said, some states list it. There must be SOME reason for Obama not showing it...I don't think he's part of some vast conspiracy from birth, but there's something to this and why he's hiding things. And at you guys being so biased you can't admit there is at least some kind of fire to this smoke.

 

[Fennis]

Bernie Goldberg says what many of us are already thinking:

“The Chicago mafia inside the White House want to keep this crazy controversy going, because the longer it goes the better the chance that they will conflate the crazy right-wing fringe with regular conservatives and regular Republicans…”

“They want to keep this thing going to make regular Republicans and regular conservatives look like a bunch of lunatics. Don’t put that past the guys in the White House.”

http://polijamblog.polijam.com/?p=3824

BINGO.The GOP base is moving further to crazy everyday. That dentist/lawyer/real estate chick with an accent is good TV!!!! Love seeing her.

Palin?

 

[Tiananmen Tank]

It's a brilliant strategy by Obama for now, but just wait until it comes out there is some truth to this (as was previously mentioned, it probably lists him as a Muslim or something like that). Can't wait for this thing to backfire.

Does your birth certificate list your religion? Mine doesn't.

Apparently in some states, religion is listed. I have no idea why or if this was true in Hawaii.

I was born in Hawaii. It doesn't.

 

[thesurfshop19]

to the push well past 300 posts in this thread. I didn't think we were capable of it.

 

[Twilight]

to the push well past 300 posts in this thread. I didn't think we were capable of it.

And even after 300 posts, I'm still not sure if the Birthers are just or just raging idiots.

 

[Voltaire]

to the push well past 300 posts in this thread. I didn't think we were capable of it.

You must be new here. This thread has potential and upside.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

This thread is amazing. Truly amazing.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Just to get this straight: Obama has fooled all the state election officials, the DNC, the RNC, the Electoral College, and the US Congress certification process in order to become president?

you had some good posts, but you really followed it up with a clunker.If he's never asked to produce documentation of NBC, then he hasn't "fooled" anybody.

So if this issue, as you stated, has been on the table for two years, then why didn't the Dem primary opponents nail Obama with it? Why didn't the McCain/Palin campaign (those of the palling around with terrorists camp) bring the "natural born citizen" point up in the campaign? Why didn't all the pro-McCain/Palin 527's bring it up?

Thanks for the knowledge analog. And I think you hit the nail on the head here. If there really was anything to this, then you'd have to be crazy to think that the Clintons in the primary or the McCain people in the general wouldn't have jumped on it with both feet. Common sense based on that point tells me there is nothing here.

However, I have no problem if someone wants to change the process to make it more official/transparent/whatever, starting in 2012.

 

[Steve Tasker]

So the birthers are no longer satisfied with the birth certificate (i.e., the document satisfying all legal requests for a birth certificate, as when a passport is applied for). Now they want to see the state records.Fine. Go ask the state. Obama doesn't have the state records. He's just got a birth certificate. As would any other citizen.

Birthers will say that the state is falsifying the records, and "why did it take so long to reveal them??? Something's up!"

 

[timschochet]

Wouldn't it be great if the Kenya Tourism Agency decided to make a quick buck out of this? "Come see the REAL birthplace of Barack Obama!" They could have one village as a tourist trap, name it "Obamaville", and have everyone there swear they knew him as a baby. Then offer the Birthers round trip vacation tickets.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Wouldn't it be great if the Kenya Tourism Agency decided to make a quick buck out of this? "Come see the REAL birthplace of Barack Obama!" They could have one village as a tourist trap, name it "Obamaville", and have everyone there swear they knew him as a baby. Then offer the Birther round trip vacation tickets.

Hire a bunch of older people to say they were present at the birth. Genius idea.

 

[ericttspikes]

Bernie Goldberg says what many of us are already thinking:

“The Chicago mafia inside the White House want to keep this crazy controversy going, because the longer it goes the better the chance that they will conflate the crazy right-wing fringe with regular conservatives and regular Republicans…”

“They want to keep this thing going to make regular Republicans and regular conservatives look like a bunch of lunatics. Don’t put that past the guys in the White House.”

http://polijamblog.polijam.com/?p=3824

BINGO.The GOP base is moving further to crazy everyday. That dentist/lawyer/real estate chick with an accent is good TV!!!! Love seeing her.

Palin?

no, this chick......http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-r...rs---orly-taitz