The blueprint for slot #4 (2 Viewers)

[tommyGunZ]

In a 2pt for TE reception league, where would you place him on your board?

higher

No way, ya think?WHAT NUMBER!?

Where would you take him, damnit!?

I think Phillip is going to throw the ball to Gates over and over and over again this year. 90+ catches 1200 yds, 10+TDs. As high as early 2nd? 14th overall?Edit to add: From the 2 practices I've seen, and all reports from Charger training camp, Gates is Rivers' #1 read, and there is great chemistry between the two. They live in the same neighborhood, hang out socially (newspaper article mentioned marathon ping pong matches), and spent the spring/summer throwing to each other. Gates is probably Rivers' best friend on the Chargers. That can't hurt.

 

[TenTimes]

Where did Gates go? Im looking at trying to get him but Im going to assume you may have to use the second pick which would leave you hurting maybe for a WR or 2nd RB

2.12Guy with the 1st pick took LT, A.Gates, and Reg Bush 1st 3 picks.

Go ahead and hand this dude your entry fee and save yourself the postage later in the season.

poor guy. any shot he had at winning this league just went up in flames.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

In a 2pt for TE reception league, where would you place him on your board?

higher

No way, ya think?WHAT NUMBER!?

Where would you take him, damnit!?

I think Phillip is going to throw the ball to Gates over and over and over again this year. 90+ catches 1200 yds, 10+TDs. As high as early 2nd? 14th overall?

See, I draft #10 in a 12-teamer. I'm not as high on him as you, but even with more conservative estimates, he still outscores the highest WR. On top of that, I fear him falling to one of the guys with the big backs...then I'm done.

 

[tommyGunZ]

In a 2pt for TE reception league, where would you place him on your board?

higher

No way, ya think?WHAT NUMBER!?

Where would you take him, damnit!?

I think Phillip is going to throw the ball to Gates over and over and over again this year. 90+ catches 1200 yds, 10+TDs. As high as early 2nd? 14th overall?

See, I draft #10 in a 12-teamer. I'm not as high on him as you, but even with more conservative estimates, he still outscores the highest WR. On top of that, I fear him falling to one of the guys with the big backs...then I'm done.

Grab him. When he goes for 130 yrds and 3 TDs against the donkeys, you'll at least be happy that your fantasy team had a good day.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

In a 2pt for TE reception league, where would you place him on your board?

higher

No way, ya think?WHAT NUMBER!?

Where would you take him, damnit!?

I think Phillip is going to throw the ball to Gates over and over and over again this year. 90+ catches 1200 yds, 10+TDs. As high as early 2nd? 14th overall?

See, I draft #10 in a 12-teamer. I'm not as high on him as you, but even with more conservative estimates, he still outscores the highest WR. On top of that, I fear him falling to one of the guys with the big backs...then I'm done.

Grab him. When he goes for 130 yrds and 3 TDs against the donkeys, you'll at least be happy that your fantasy team had a good day.

F off with that Broncos BS. Anwyay, I'll have to see how things shake out, but I have him right about there on my board. The thought of actually taking a TE there is weird...we'll see.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I certainly not am going to tell MOP how to draft, as he's as dialed in as anybody. That being said, I have to question whether a two person COMBINATION of Foster and Williams as a POSSIBLE Top 15 tandem is better than McGahee (with one roster spot) who has ranked 9th and 13th in his two years in the league.

Willis has averaged 22 touches a game since taking over as a starter. That projects him at 350+ touches a year (which he accomplished last year).

Even better, there is no one that he is going to split time with. As far as I know, the only other RB worth noting in Buffalo is Anthony Thomas, and he hasn't done anything in a couple of years.

I researched guys with 350 touches recently, and 94% of them scored 200 points and ranked in the Top 10. The only thing that kept McGahee from the Top 10 last year was his low TD count.

I also looked into guys with 350 touches with low TD totals, and most bounced back to 8-10 TD (or more) the following season. Granted, it was a small sample size but they did do much better if they stayed healthy.

Foster has yet to stay healthy enough to put up a full season of numbers and who knows what to expect from a rookie. These two may pan out, but I still think McGahee offered more stability and would require only a single roster spot.

David, this is solid what you are saying. I however do not have McGahee anywhere in my top 10-15 this season. Outside shot of cracking the top20...I think people will be belly aching about him that take him in the draft all season. My team would have looked a little different.

Portis

Holt

McGahee

Dunn

Mason

Dayne

Kennison/Muhammed...Those were the WR available during that span...I might have passed on them and taken Matt Jones at that point or something...I think I still come out with a fairly solid team.

DeShaun Foster: Look at his production over the last 6 weeks of last season. If you take his numbers and project them out over 16 weeks which is a big leap with him, you end up with around 1,750 total yds, 32 rec, and 8Tds...

Granted he has to stay healthy for something like that to happen but I felt I was drafting the team position as much as anything. Carolina ranked 10th in the league in rushing attempts. Somewhere around 480 times. DeShaun does not need 320 carries...I would be happy with 18 carries a game, 288/1200 and 32 rec for another 300 yds, 7-8TDs...and I don't see green pastures for McGahee this season.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

When was Palmer drafted?

Early 2nd round. We changed to 6 pts pass TD this season...a lot of QBs were gone in the 1st 4-6 rounds...I knew there would be a run on QBs...I didn't know just how early though. Kinda silly taking Palmer that early but people were hell bent on finding 30 TD guys in any shape or form. CPepp went before a lot of other pretty good Qbs too.Peyton went at 1.07

 

[ScottNorwood]

Should be a middle of the pack team. Good luck.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Should be a middle of the pack team. Good luck.

 

[Rounders]

A lot of good stuff here MOP, thanks for starting the thread.

Since I'm drafting in the 4th hole, I'm very interested in what some people have to say.

While I don't agree with Foster at 3.4 (I would have taken McGahee) I understand your point.

One of the other parts that I'm having a hard time with (as I beleive another poster mentioned) is getting some value at the TE position.

This year is the first year that our league switched to a mandatory TE start. So knowing my league, I think that there is an outdside chance that Gates may be there in the 3rd round, which would be incredible value. Obvisiously that means I would have to pass on him in round 2, which I'm comfortable doing, but I would be curious to know what TE's where on the board for you to draft in the 5th-8th rounds?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

A lot of good stuff here MOP, thanks for starting the thread.Since I'm drafting in the 4th hole, I'm very interested in what some people have to say.While I don't agree with Foster at 3.4 (I would have taken McGahee) I understand your point.One of the other parts that I'm having a hard time with (as I beleive another poster mentioned) is getting some value at the TE position. This year is the first year that our league switched to a mandatory TE start. So knowing my league, I think that there is an outdside chance that Gates may be there in the 3rd round, which would be incredible value. Obvisiously that means I would have to pass on him in round 2, which I'm comfortable doing, but I would be curious to know what TE's where on the board for you to draft in the 5th-8th rounds?

Shockey, Crumpler, Witten, Gonzo all went in the 5th-6th-7th rounds...Winslow in the 8th, I'm at work, I don't have all the picks here but if you have a specific TE I can find out for you.I think Gates will have a good year but not quite the heavenly years he enjoyed the past 2 seasons...IMO. I think he can put up 900 yds and 8TD...that's a pretty solid year. Has any TE ever posted 3 double digit TD seasons in a row? Lot to ask.

 

[Mapmaker]

A lot of good stuff here MOP, thanks for starting the thread.Since I'm drafting in the 4th hole, I'm very interested in what some people have to say.While I don't agree with Foster at 3.4 (I would have taken McGahee) I understand your point.One of the other parts that I'm having a hard time with (as I beleive another poster mentioned) is getting some value at the TE position. This year is the first year that our league switched to a mandatory TE start. So knowing my league, I think that there is an outdside chance that Gates may be there in the 3rd round, which would be incredible value. Obvisiously that means I would have to pass on him in round 2, which I'm comfortable doing, but I would be curious to know what TE's where on the board for you to draft in the 5th-8th rounds?

Just as a point of interest ... so you don't spend too much time plotting a "what if he falls to me" strategy for Gates, 12 team PPR draft, highly competative/shark type managers ... Gates went 18th off the board, @ 2.06.A tad early for my taste but to each his own!

 

[supa mann]

I also drafted from the 4 spot (12 team redraft) and will share my strategy. MoP, I believe you played a season or two in this league (Cave Dwellers) so if you did, you know the league and most of the teams. If I am mistaken, sorry bout' that.

Here is the requirements/scoring.:

12 Team/18 man rosters. No PPR.

Start QB, 2RB, 2WR, Flex (RB, WR, TE), TE, D/ST, K - 6pts all TD's.

1.04 - Portis. I agree with MoP that Portis should be huge this year. Worst case, I figured he's top 8. Best case I think he sneaks into top 3. I wasn't able to secure Betts, but agree this would be a good idea.

2.09 - Parker. Some might think this was a reach, but Parker was the 16th RB taken. Yes, you heard right....it's a RB whore league due to the flex and ability to play 3 RB's. MoP's man Holt was taken at 2.02 as the first WR taken I can see being big on the guy, but no Martz and #1? Anyway, Manning almost slid to me and made it all the way to 2.07. I am loving the Parker at the goaline hype right now and just can't see how Bettis leaving town can't help him. With just a few more opps at the goaline, FWP could be Huge.

3.04 - Bush. Again, many might think this was at least a round early, but other choices for RB's were K.Jones, C.Taylor & Dunn and MoP's choice, Foster. WR's were already in the 2nd tier with Wayne, DJax at the top of the list. It's a swing for the fences and was even more of a reach as I drafed before he (Bush) had signed his contract. Other factors for me when taking Bush was weighthing his potential points versus the WR's available and I like Bush's chances of putting up 200+ pts moreso than the WR's in this group. If you can't get excited watching Reggie Bush play football on Sundays, you need to find a new sport

4.09 - S.Moss. I realize I am in the minority here it seems, but how can a guy who put up 84/1483/9 just fall completely into mediocrity as many have him ranked? Was last year that big a fluke? In our league he was WR3 and put up just over 200 pts. 35 short of Smith who returns ranked as a top WR. I realize he had a monster year and it is completely believable that he won't hit that mark again, but I think ranking him in the 14-16 range is madness.

5.04 - Roy Williams - I went back to back WR's here and think I got another steal with Williams. Key obviously is Williams playing a whole season. If he does, I guarantee he's top 8. I was going to take Eli or Bledsoe here, but my master plan was to draft Palmer in round 6 or 7 and grab a guy like Leftwich to go with him. See my next few picks to see how that panned out.......

6.09 - Gonzo. How the mighty fall. I can remember the days when you couldn't get Gonzo any later than about mid 3rd (like Gates now). Should be a solid TE for me. My only real decision was not to grab McNabb. Still kinda kicking myself as Palmer was drafted at 5.05, foiling my plan. Maybe I should have gone ahead and taken McNabb but I just wasn't sold on him being anything special this year. Probably a mistake as he represents great value at 6.09. Not a lot of choices here for RB's and WR's were pretty mid-level.

7.04 - Brooks. I associate this pick to a poker bad beat. I went on tilt after missing Palmer and then watching Brady, Bulger dissapear in round 5/6. When I passed on McNabb I really started questioning my decision and figured it was time to swing for the fences again. I don't recommend going on tilt mid-draft, for the record.

8.09 - Coles. Needed another WR and the pickings were starting to get really slim. Other WR choices were Jones, Glenn, Stallworth, KRob. RB's were nothing more than scraps. Could have taken Brees, but planned on taking Leftwich, Favre, Green later. This is the part of the draft where I think you really start filling spots more based on need and feel much less guilty about taking a guy a round or two early.

9.04 - Anderson. I figure he should be a great bye week RB and have the potential to be a real sleeper. I just don't have faith in Jamal. I debated WR again with this pick and could have easily taken KRob or Burleson but couldn't pull the trigger. MoP, Clayton went early 8th, FYI.

10.09 - Colts D/ST. 5th D/ST taken and the run was starting. I know, I've read all the books and strategies but couldn't resist taking a D/ST this early. Could have taken a WR like JJ or Muhammad, Edwards, Wilford. Backup Qb's were Leftwich (my plan was working), Favre, McNair.

11.04 - Leftwich. Couldn't let him fall much further. Had to choose between Favre/McNair and just really like Leftwich's upside. Before his injury last season, he was easily on pace to finish top 5 in most leagues. I don't really think he can be labeled injury prone yet, but we will see.

12.09 - C. Houston. Just threw out a gamble that Martin wouldn't be himself. Recent news makes me feel this might turn out to be a really decent pick. Hard to say who will be the man should Martin not lace em up, but I think Houston has as good a shot as any and really played pretty well last season when given the carries.

13.04 - Staley. Had to backup Parker and I figured Staley is the better handcuff than Haynes, etc.

14.09 - Graham. Slipped again and hit my head and drafted a kicker, really early. He's in a great offense and I took him as the 6th kicker. Our league as a whole began the kicker run a little early it appears.

15.04 - A. Smith. Another gamble and another one that is looking better every day. I figure with these late round RB's, if they pay off decent or even have a couple good games, I can get a nice WR in return and trade one of them off.

16.09 - Hilton. Surprised no teams jumped to take him as their #1 TE. Kept falling and falling and I guess I am the only one in this league that thinks he's going to be a great sleeper. I think you could do worse than having Brees throwing to you as a TE.

17.04 - Ferguson. Should be a nice bye week WR and if Favre falls in love with him again.......lookout. It could happen, right?

18.09 - Herron. One more last gamble at RB Kept reading the FBG updates and liking this guy more and more. What could it hurt?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Hey Supa, let's break this downa bit.

Parker: I just cannot justify this guy in the 2nd round right now. I understand he will see extensive action this year but I am not sold he can take a beating of 320-340 carries...2nd round seems high to me. If you thought you were going to grab Bush I would have locked up a #1WR here.

R.Bush: Again I would have taken a WR1 such as Wayne here if I committed to RB/RB in the 1st and 2nd. However you can always trade a RB and get a topflight WR from someone else. Maybe this trio of RB will work for you but I think Portis is like having a back and a half this year...

S.Moss: Value...guy was gone form my board at this pick

Roy Williams: I know a lot of people are high on him. I think he does not meet expectations this season.

Gonzo: Is on the downside of his career...might pop back nicely this season

A.Brooks: Who was left? Was Plummer on the board? I like the Smith/Walker combo with a topflight OL in front of him. I do like Lefty...he has a bunch of nice match ups and pairs well with other QBs.

L.Coles: Will be starting...if Penny's arm is back to form he might be a nice addition

Indy: Maybe a little earlier than I would for a defense. Didn't you read up on Chase's article...get Miami later...

Mike Anderson: ??? You have Portis/Parker/Bush...why Mike at this point?

OK, here is my big question...and everyone should take note...you must must must must must must lock up Ladell Betts in about the 11th round. The reason is if Portis were to be injured, Betts stands a good chance in not only playing but putting up starter numbers IMO. You backed up Parker which is great but you took no precautions for your 1st round pick in the draft...gotta do that for insurance.

I think you needed to take some WR flyers over RB later in the draft.

But good job and this is what the thread is meant for. I certainly didn't draft a perfect draft but now others can take any mistakes I made and look to safeguard against that at the draft.

Thanks Supa!

 

[supa mann]

I also had a question for MoP.........How many years have you and most of the owners played in this league? Reason I ask, is this obviously effects some draft choices.

For instance, I know in my league I can always get good value late with WR's and QB's. By late, I mean I usually figure I can grab a top 10 guy or even two in rounds 4-7. Same with QB's..... I know I can get a top 6-8 guy in rounds 8-11 usually. This is due to the RB stampede in our league, which causes guys who do go for a WR/QB early, to then panick in the next couple rounds and start grabbing just about any RB and adding fuel to the RB fire.

I agreed with most here that Foster over McGahee might have been a mistake, but I also don't think this will be a huge blow to his team. My reason for not liking the Foster/Deangelo combo is that I think each of them are good enough to be on the field and barring injury, think they both will be. An injury to either one, immediately bolts this tandem to a very solid top 6 attack, IMO.

I haven't seen many other drafts to compare the other players in the 3rd to 4th rounds. The first 2 rounds are pretty similar in most leagues and the variations start to come early 3rd to me.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I also had a question for MoP.........How many years have you and most of the owners played in this league? Reason I ask, is this obviously effects some draft choices. For instance, I know in my league I can always get good value late with WR's and QB's. By late, I mean I usually figure I can grab a top 10 guy or even two in rounds 4-7. Same with QB's..... I know I can get a top 6-8 guy in rounds 8-11 usually. This is due to the RB stampede in our league, which causes guys who do go for a WR/QB early, to then panick in the next couple rounds and start grabbing just about any RB and adding fuel to the RB fire. I agreed with most here that Foster over McGahee might have been a mistake, but I also don't think this will be a huge blow to his team. My reason for not liking the Foster/Deangelo combo is that I think each of them are good enough to be on the field and barring injury, think they both will be. An injury to either one, immediately bolts this tandem to a very solid top 6 attack, IMO. I haven't seen many other drafts to compare the other players in the 3rd to 4th rounds. The first 2 rounds are pretty similar in most leagues and the variations start to come early 3rd to me.

The league I drafted in on Sunday has been together about 4-5 years..but we have had most of the same owners with a few additions and subtractions along the way. We had one wildcard that picked at the end of the 1st round and he had a fairly interesting draft...bottom line is he got way too drunk, made stupid picks along the way and has no backfield now.It's a good question as the longer you are ina league the better you know people. I draft not this Sunday but next ina league that has been together about 10 years...long time, and I'm sure there are people that have had some leagues together much longer.

 

[supa mann]

Hey Supa, let's break this downa bit.

Parker: I just cannot justify this guy in the 2nd round right now. I understand he will see extensive action this year but I am not sold he can take a beating of 320-340 carries...2nd round seems high to me. If you thought you were going to grab Bush I would have locked up a #1WR here.

I hear what you're saying and in most leagues Parker definitely doesn't go round 2 (even late 2nd). My logic in trying to field 3 RB's each week is just that a RB is much more likely to get you 10 pts worse case and 20pts on the upside. I prefer to take a RB like Parker over a Wayne.

R.Bush: Again I would have taken a WR1 such as Wayne here if I committed to RB/RB in the 1st and 2nd. However you can always trade a RB and get a topflight WR from someone else. Maybe this trio of RB will work for you but I think Portis is like having a back and a half this year...

Parker and Bush are similar players in what I am hoping they accomplish. I don't really want to see either of these guys run the ball anywhere near 320-340 times. I hope they both see around 12-18carries and catch 4-5 passes/screens. As long as they get the ball 17-22 times/game in their hands, I just can't see how they don't get you 15-20pts/week. I think those numbers are lofty expectations for almost any WR as they obviously don't get 20 chances to make a play each week.

S.Moss: Value...guy was gone form my board at this pick

Thank You. I have Moss valued in the same tier as Wayne, so felt getting a RB and still being able to take Moss/Williams as my WR's was big. I could be proven wrong, but if I am, I think 4-5 very talented WR's are avaialable on the WW each year. They seem to spring out of nowhere each year, especially with 18 man rosters.

Roy Williams: I know a lot of people are high on him. I think he does not meet expectations this season.

Do you think this because of the QB's, the whole team stinking to high heaven or just a feeling? Injury?

Gonzo: Is on the downside of his career...might pop back nicely this season

A.Brooks: Who was left? Was Plummer on the board? I like the Smith/Walker combo with a topflight OL in front of him. I do like Lefty...he has a bunch of nice match ups and pairs well with other QBs.

Yes, Plummer was still there. I drank the Randy Moss/Porter koolaid, then shortly after Porter really turned into a knucklehead. I also figured Brooks has been a consistently top QB for quite some time and is much better, IMO, than Collins. Again, I likened my pick to a poker player on tilt, cuz I wasn't all that impressed with my choice

L.Coles: Will be starting...if Penny's arm is back to form he might be a nice addition

Indy: Maybe a little earlier than I would for a defense. Didn't you read up on Chase's article...get Miami later...

Mike Anderson: ??? You have Portis/Parker/Bush...why Mike at this point?

My thoughts with all the RB gambles, was to hit or at least hit a little on one and trade as soon as they have a big week/injury in front of them. I usually target a team that guessed right and drafted 2-3 top QB's and keeps playing the wrong one or just doesn't need them both.

OK, here is my big question...and everyone should take note...you must must must must must must lock up Ladell Betts in about the 11th round. The reason is if Portis were to be injured, Betts stands a good chance in not only playing but putting up starter numbers IMO. You backed up Parker which is great but you took no precautions for your 1st round pick in the draft...gotta do that for insurance.

Agreed. Didn't make sense at the time as I think of Portis like no way he's coming out of the game guy, but I forget he isn't exactly 240lbs. I will try to grab him at some point from the other owner before he blows up or something happens to Clinton.

I think you needed to take some WR flyers over RB later in the draft.

I will take this advice and probably drop a bunch of these guys quickly if they don't pan out for WW Wr's or trade as depth to the teams with the starters.

But good job and this is what the thread is meant for. I certainly didn't draft a perfect draft but now others can take any mistakes I made and look to safeguard against that at the draft.

Thanks Supa!

 

[Rounders]

MOP (hope you are still reading this)

Here's my question (remember I'm in a 10 team league), there's a great chance (knowing other owners tendacies) that I would have a choice between C.Johnson, L.Fitzgerald, and T.Holt when my 2nd pick rolls around.

I really like the idea of going STUD WR here because I feel like I need to try and gain on edge on the guys with the big 3. My question to you is would you take the consistent Holt over either of these guys?

 

[Otis]

Other than the Clayton selection in the ninth, I absolutely hate this draft.

Thanks for the insight Otis...what would you have done with the #4 pick in the draft? That's what we are trying to do in here. What RB would you have taken in the 1st?

Sure, I'll play, since you are such an insightful contributor to our discussions here:1.04 Clinton Portis RB -- absolutely the pick at 4. I could argue Cadillac, but I can't question Portis.2.09 Torry Holt WR -- Not a bad pick, but no value here IMO. Mike Martz is gone, and that team will pass (probably significantly) less. As a result, Holt's numbers have to come down. You paid for the #6 WR in the draft, which is exactly where he finished last year, except his numebrs, in my estimation, have nowhere but down to go. Zero value in this pick.3.04 DeShaun Foster RB: Seriously? The kid has been nothing but injured during the entirety of his NFL career and, during the brief stretches of health, his numbers are far from outstanding. He is the most overvalued player every single year, and I am continually amazed at the fact that his value somehow holds up. Awful, awful, pick as a RB2, especially early in the 3rd round. Also, did you sleep through the draft, and miss that they drafted the best running back in the draft behind Reggie Bush? No thanks.4.09 Warrick Dunn RB: Decent value, but I would not want to have to be in the position to make this pick, because Dunn's wheels have to come off soon. It's like a game of hot potato -- nobody wants to be holding it when the music stops, and the longer the music has been playing, the more likely it is going to stop any minute. Also, if this is a PPR league then the pick is more paletable, but I didn't care enough to read your first post that carefully, as poorly disguised "rate my team" threads are a complete bore.5.04 Derrick Mason WR: Considering the botched draft thus far, I guess this is acceptable. Could be decent value.6.09 Ron Dayne RB: Oh lord. I know -- why don't I draft a guy who has consistently failed throughout his career? No thanks. Not here anyway. If he slips late I consider it, but hot on the heels of this Mike Bell news, Dayne is the last thing I want to get invested in.7.04 DeAngelo Williams RB: A pick you were forced to make based on the Foster pick. It's a much more interesting pick if he is not a handcuff, but that's fine.8.09 Jake Plummer QB: There are QB's I like more, but you have to hope Walker does something to help him, so there may be some value.9.04 Michael Clayton WR: Again, one of the very few picks I actually like here. I have targeted him across the board in all leagues this year.The rounds after this are impossible to comment on without knowing who else was on the board at the time of each pick, and that requires more work than I care to put in.In summary, I hate this draft, and this thread belongs in the ACF.

 

[Otis]

And I don't know whether anyone has made the Ron Dayne and Thomas Jones comparisons in this thread yet but, please, don't.

Thomas Jones is the more talented and gutsier back, and he showed flashes of his talent during his days in TB, which is why he was well worth drafting early (which I did across the board that year). Dayne has shown us nothing yet, and, given a history of failure, I assume future failure until a guy proves otherwise.

 

[ImTheScientist]

This rate my draft thread should be moved to the ACF, where it will die without further comment.

This draft from the 4 hole does nothing for me. I wouldn't want to look at my lineup and see that after the draft.

 

[ScottNorwood]

This rate my draft thread should be moved to the ACF, where it will die without further comment.

This draft from the 4 hole does nothing for me. I wouldn't want to look at my lineup and see that after the draft.

I said it before. This looks like a very mediocre team. For the original poster to act like it's a "blueprint" for drafting really means he has an inflated sense of the value of the players he drafted, as well as an inflated ego.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Other than the Clayton selection in the ninth, I absolutely hate this draft.

Thanks for the insight Otis...what would you have done with the #4 pick in the draft? That's what we are trying to do in here. What RB would you have taken in the 1st?

Sure, I'll play, since you are such an insightful contributor to our discussions here:1.04 Clinton Portis RB -- absolutely the pick at 4. I could argue Cadillac, but I can't question Portis.2.09 Torry Holt WR -- Not a bad pick, but no value here IMO. Mike Martz is gone, and that team will pass (probably significantly) less. As a result, Holt's numbers have to come down. You paid for the #6 WR in the draft, which is exactly where he finished last year, except his numebrs, in my estimation, have nowhere but down to go. Zero value in this pick.3.04 DeShaun Foster RB: Seriously? The kid has been nothing but injured during the entirety of his NFL career and, during the brief stretches of health, his numbers are far from outstanding. He is the most overvalued player every single year, and I am continually amazed at the fact that his value somehow holds up. Awful, awful, pick as a RB2, especially early in the 3rd round. Also, did you sleep through the draft, and miss that they drafted the best running back in the draft behind Reggie Bush? No thanks.4.09 Warrick Dunn RB: Decent value, but I would not want to have to be in the position to make this pick, because Dunn's wheels have to come off soon. It's like a game of hot potato -- nobody wants to be holding it when the music stops, and the longer the music has been playing, the more likely it is going to stop any minute. Also, if this is a PPR league then the pick is more paletable, but I didn't care enough to read your first post that carefully, as poorly disguised "rate my team" threads are a complete bore.5.04 Derrick Mason WR: Considering the botched draft thus far, I guess this is acceptable. Could be decent value.6.09 Ron Dayne RB: Oh lord. I know -- why don't I draft a guy who has consistently failed throughout his career? No thanks. Not here anyway. If he slips late I consider it, but hot on the heels of this Mike Bell news, Dayne is the last thing I want to get invested in.7.04 DeAngelo Williams RB: A pick you were forced to make based on the Foster pick. It's a much more interesting pick if he is not a handcuff, but that's fine.8.09 Jake Plummer QB: There are QB's I like more, but you have to hope Walker does something to help him, so there may be some value.9.04 Michael Clayton WR: Again, one of the very few picks I actually like here. I have targeted him across the board in all leagues this year.The rounds after this are impossible to comment on without knowing who else was on the board at the time of each pick, and that requires more work than I care to put in.In summary, I hate this draft, and this thread belongs in the ACF.

I started the thread as more of a matter of choices for owners. It was discussed that the 3.04 would be better served for something like Reggie Wayne which I felt was a good way to go as well.One thing you have to consider is who will not be there when you pick again. I felt SeShaun would not be there and I do expect big things out of the Carolina RB1 position all year...whether its Foster or Williams...I locked that up with a 3rd and 7th round pick. When you look at Foster over the last 6 weeks last season he had incredible numbers. I can't believe people would be upset with a Portis/Holt combo for their 1-2 punch at RB1/WR1,,,but if you have others you loike better that's fine.Mason and Clyton provided value I felt. Dayne is still in the mix in Denver and I think he will at the least make good trade bait at some point in the season. When you look at the original post, I think its more of positions and what players you think are going to be gone before you pick again. Sometimes you have to grab players 1,2 and 3 rounds before their ADP to ensure you get the guys you want int he draft. I would have much rather taken Driver over Dunn but when he went 2 slots earlier I had to go with value.

 

[Otis]

Other than the Clayton selection in the ninth, I absolutely hate this draft.

Thanks for the insight Otis...what would you have done with the #4 pick in the draft? That's what we are trying to do in here. What RB would you have taken in the 1st?

Sure, I'll play, since you are such an insightful contributor to our discussions here:1.04 Clinton Portis RB -- absolutely the pick at 4. I could argue Cadillac, but I can't question Portis.2.09 Torry Holt WR -- Not a bad pick, but no value here IMO. Mike Martz is gone, and that team will pass (probably significantly) less. As a result, Holt's numbers have to come down. You paid for the #6 WR in the draft, which is exactly where he finished last year, except his numebrs, in my estimation, have nowhere but down to go. Zero value in this pick.3.04 DeShaun Foster RB: Seriously? The kid has been nothing but injured during the entirety of his NFL career and, during the brief stretches of health, his numbers are far from outstanding. He is the most overvalued player every single year, and I am continually amazed at the fact that his value somehow holds up. Awful, awful, pick as a RB2, especially early in the 3rd round. Also, did you sleep through the draft, and miss that they drafted the best running back in the draft behind Reggie Bush? No thanks.4.09 Warrick Dunn RB: Decent value, but I would not want to have to be in the position to make this pick, because Dunn's wheels have to come off soon. It's like a game of hot potato -- nobody wants to be holding it when the music stops, and the longer the music has been playing, the more likely it is going to stop any minute. Also, if this is a PPR league then the pick is more paletable, but I didn't care enough to read your first post that carefully, as poorly disguised "rate my team" threads are a complete bore.5.04 Derrick Mason WR: Considering the botched draft thus far, I guess this is acceptable. Could be decent value.6.09 Ron Dayne RB: Oh lord. I know -- why don't I draft a guy who has consistently failed throughout his career? No thanks. Not here anyway. If he slips late I consider it, but hot on the heels of this Mike Bell news, Dayne is the last thing I want to get invested in.7.04 DeAngelo Williams RB: A pick you were forced to make based on the Foster pick. It's a much more interesting pick if he is not a handcuff, but that's fine.8.09 Jake Plummer QB: There are QB's I like more, but you have to hope Walker does something to help him, so there may be some value.9.04 Michael Clayton WR: Again, one of the very few picks I actually like here. I have targeted him across the board in all leagues this year.The rounds after this are impossible to comment on without knowing who else was on the board at the time of each pick, and that requires more work than I care to put in.In summary, I hate this draft, and this thread belongs in the ACF.

I started the thread as more of a matter of choices for owners. It was discussed that the 3.04 would be better served for something like Reggie Wayne which I felt was a good way to go as well.One thing you have to consider is who will not be there when you pick again. I felt SeShaun would not be there and I do expect big things out of the Carolina RB1 position all year...whether its Foster or Williams...I locked that up with a 3rd and 7th round pick. When you look at Foster over the last 6 weeks last season he had incredible numbers. I can't believe people would be upset with a Portis/Holt combo for their 1-2 punch at RB1/WR1,,,but if you have others you loike better that's fine.Mason and Clyton provided value I felt. Dayne is still in the mix in Denver and I think he will at the least make good trade bait at some point in the season. When you look at the original post, I think its more of positions and what players you think are going to be gone before you pick again. Sometimes you have to grab players 1,2 and 3 rounds before their ADP to ensure you get the guys you want int he draft. I would have much rather taken Driver over Dunn but when he went 2 slots earlier I had to go with value.

As I said above, the Holt pick was fine, but there was zero value in it. At best you got what you paid for, and more likely you probably got less than you paid for.And the Foster pick, IMO, completely botched the draft going forward.

 

[Marc Levin]

MoP - in the third did you consider Gates? In a PPR, he is evenmore valuable - he pops in as the #12 OVERALL player in the DD.

Considering you landed Dunn in the 4th, I think a Portis-Dunn-Holt-Gates lineup is the start of a championship PPR team.

 

[Marc Levin]

Otis, you may want to re-think this comment:

Also, if this is a PPR league then the pick is more paletable,

His receiving numbers - targets and receptions - have taken consistent hits every year - it is his rushing yardage that has been skyrocketing.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DunnWa00-2.php

Warrick Dunn is the best RB2 you can snag in the 4th round - bar none. Excellent value.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

MoP - in the third did you consider Gates? In a PPR, he is evenmore valuable - he pops in as the #12 OVERALL player in the DD.Considering you landed Dunn in the 4th, I think a Portis-Dunn-Holt-Gates lineup is the start of a championship PPR team.

Gates went at 2.12, just seems really high and I don't think you get value at all with that pick...I think Rivers will struggle this season and am a little down on the San Diego offense overall.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Otis, you may want to re-think this comment:

Also, if this is a PPR league then the pick is more paletable,

His receiving numbers - targets and receptions - have taken consistent hits every year - it is his rushing yardage that has been skyrocketing.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DunnWa00-2.php

Warrick Dunn is the best RB2 you can snag in the 4th round - bar none. Excellent value.

Otis think this belongs in the ACF, he fails to realize Joe wants threads like this but doesn't want plain old teams listed with nothing to debate or any insight. I think 70 some odd posts later though this has been a worthwhile thread.

 

[Marc Levin]

MoP - in the third did you consider Gates? In a PPR, he is evenmore valuable - he pops in as the #12 OVERALL player in the DD.

Considering you landed Dunn in the 4th, I think a Portis-Dunn-Holt-Gates lineup is the start of a championship PPR team.

Gates went at 2.12, just seems really high and I don't think you get value at all with that pick...I think Rivers will struggle this season and am a little down on the San Diego offense overall.

And, IIRC, Manning was gone, right?Not sure what I would do at your spot there - you are right, it is very hard.

I am 4th in a 12-team PPR supposedly Expert MOCK draft (lots of FBGuys.com's competitors are involved), and Manning fell (4pts/pass TD) to me in the third, so my decision was easy. My draft so far (TIA, will answer yours):

1.04 - Tiki

2.09 - K. Jones

3.04 - Peyton Manning

4.09 - Tatum Bell

5.04 - Derrick Mason

6.09 - Rod Smith

7.04 - Deion Branch - he'll probably end up as my WR1

8.09 - Ben Watson

9.04 - Mike Bell (at 8.08, I was debating Watson, Dayne and McNabb, so I went Watson b/c that was best for my team. By the time my pick rolled around here, the Mike Bell story broke, and I figured what the heck. I was already planning to back TBell up with Dayne if I could steal him, and I think Dayne is done - taking MBell gusrantees me at least one runner in the Denver backfield. I'll take my chances that a rookie sensation can hold of Ron freakin' Dayne.

10.08 - Randy McMichael - I was gonna take him last pick, but wanted to make sure I tied up both Bells first. I lalready had Watson so the risj was less to see if McMichael dropped, and he did. I certainly expected him to be gone by now - and I'd then take the #1 defense (Carolina) since the scoring system favors outstanding defenses.

11.04 - Baltimore D

These are FF WEBSITES and they have allowed a TON of value to drop in this draft, so it CAN happen. I feel like I am crushing this draft so far - need some more veteran WRs to round out my WR crew, but this is a mock, not a real league, and, for that purpose, I can count on myself having two good PPR starters from thoser three on board.

You can check out the draft in progress, with comments from all the drafters, here:

http://www.draftcandy.com/draft/mock_draft.asp

(be patient - these guys are taking the concept of a "slow" draft to new heights)

 

[Marc Levin]

Otis, you may want to re-think this comment:

Also, if this is a PPR league then the pick is more paletable,

His receiving numbers - targets and receptions - have taken consistent hits every year - it is his rushing yardage that has been skyrocketing.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DunnWa00-2.php

Warrick Dunn is the best RB2 you can snag in the 4th round - bar none. Excellent value.

Otis think this belongs in the ACF, he failes to realize Joe wants threads like this but doesn't want plain old teams listed with nothing to debate or any insight. I think 70 some odd posts later though this has been a worthwhile thread.

Strategy from certain spots is always welcome in the Pool.

 

[ScottNorwood]

MoP - in the third did you consider Gates? In a PPR, he is evenmore valuable - he pops in as the #12 OVERALL player in the DD.

Considering you landed Dunn in the 4th, I think a Portis-Dunn-Holt-Gates lineup is the start of a championship PPR team.

Gates went at 2.12, just seems really high and I don't think you get value at all with that pick...I think Rivers will struggle this season and am a little down on the San Diego offense overall.

And, IIRC, Manning was gone, right?Not sure what I would do at your spot there - you are right, it is very hard.

I am 4th in a 12-team PPR supposedly Expert MOCK draft (lots of FBGuys.com's competitors are involved), and Manning fell (4pts/pass TD) to me in the third, so my decision was easy. My draft so far (TIA, will answer yours):

1.04 - Tiki

2.09 - K. Jones

3.04 - Peyton Manning

4.09 - Tatum Bell

5.04 - Derrick Mason

6.09 - Rod Smith

7.04 - Deion Branch - he'll probably end up as my WR1

8.09 - Ben Watson

9.04 - Mike Bell (at 8.08, I was debating Watson, Dayne and McNabb, so I went Watson b/c that was best for my team. By the time my pick rolled around here, the Mike Bell story broke, and I figured what the heck. I was already planning to back TBell up with Dayne if I could steal him, and I think Dayne is done - taking MBell gusrantees me at least one runner in the Denver backfield. I'll take my chances that a rookie sensation can hold of Ron freakin' Dayne.

10.08 - Randy McMichael - I was gonna take him last pick, but wanted to make sure I tied up both Bells first. I lalready had Watson so the risj was less to see if McMichael dropped, and he did. I certainly expected him to be gone by now - and I'd then take the #1 defense (Carolina) since the scoring system favors outstanding defenses.

11.04 - Baltimore D

These are FF WEBSITES and they have allowed a TON of value to drop in this draft, so it CAN happen. I feel like I am crushing this draft so far - need some more veteran WRs to round out my WR crew, but this is a mock, not a real league, and, for that purpose, I can count on myself having two good PPR starters from thoser three on board.

You can check out the draft in progress, with comments from all the drafters, here:

http://www.draftcandy.com/draft/mock_draft.asp

(be patient - these guys are taking the concept of a "slow" draft to new heights)

Kevin Jones? Why would you do that to yourself?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

MoP - in the third did you consider Gates? In a PPR, he is evenmore valuable - he pops in as the #12 OVERALL player in the DD.

Considering you landed Dunn in the 4th, I think a Portis-Dunn-Holt-Gates lineup is the start of a championship PPR team.

Gates went at 2.12, just seems really high and I don't think you get value at all with that pick...I think Rivers will struggle this season and am a little down on the San Diego offense overall.

And, IIRC, Manning was gone, right?Not sure what I would do at your spot there - you are right, it is very hard.

I am 4th in a 12-team PPR supposedly Expert MOCK draft (lots of FBGuys.com's competitors are involved), and Manning fell (4pts/pass TD) to me in the third, so my decision was easy. My draft so far (TIA, will answer yours):

1.04 - Tiki

2.09 - K. Jones

3.04 - Peyton Manning

4.09 - Tatum Bell

5.04 - Derrick Mason

6.09 - Rod Smith

7.04 - Deion Branch - he'll probably end up as my WR1

8.09 - Ben Watson

9.04 - Mike Bell (at 8.08, I was debating Watson, Dayne and McNabb, so I went Watson b/c that was best for my team. By the time my pick rolled around here, the Mike Bell story broke, and I figured what the heck. I was already planning to back TBell up with Dayne if I could steal him, and I think Dayne is done - taking MBell gusrantees me at least one runner in the Denver backfield. I'll take my chances that a rookie sensation can hold of Ron freakin' Dayne.

10.08 - Randy McMichael - I was gonna take him last pick, but wanted to make sure I tied up both Bells first. I lalready had Watson so the risj was less to see if McMichael dropped, and he did. I certainly expected him to be gone by now - and I'd then take the #1 defense (Carolina) since the scoring system favors outstanding defenses.

11.04 - Baltimore D

These are FF WEBSITES and they have allowed a TON of value to drop in this draft, so it CAN happen. I feel like I am crushing this draft so far - need some more veteran WRs to round out my WR crew, but this is a mock, not a real league, and, for that purpose, I can count on myself having two good PPR starters from thoser three on board.

You can check out the draft in progress, with comments from all the drafters, here:

http://www.draftcandy.com/draft/mock_draft.asp

(be patient - these guys are taking the concept of a "slow" draft to new heights)

I think Kevin Jones in the middle to later part of the 2nd is becoming the best of the JuJones, Jam Lewis, Reg Bush, W.Parker picks.Most of the RB around there have a lot of questions but I think Kevin is going to start for sure and even if he does something like 1,200 total yds, and 6-8TD with upside for a lot more...that's a solid pick around there.

Manning in the 3rd is hard to fathom.

T.Bell in the 4th...are you thinking he might get traded or just good enough to occasionally start as your RB2/3...I would like to know what WR were available.

Mason and Smith in the 5th and 6th will stabalize your WR corp.

Branch and Watson...one of them if not both should post good numbers this season. Is Branch in camp yet?

Mike bell backs up that Tatum pick.

McMichael...you will start him over Watson for awhile. CPepp is gonna love that guy...Chambers and Booker covered, "oh look there's a 6'6" target that runs fast and has a LB 3 yds behind him...I think I'll try that."

Baltimore Ravens defense...how can you go wrong?

I woul start looking for value at WR quickly. Is Leftwhich still around...or are you just gonna grab Penny late?

 

[Otis]

Otis think this belongs in the ACF, he failes to realize Joe wants threads like this but doesn't want plain old teams listed with nothing to debate or any insight. I think 70 some odd posts later though this has been a worthwhile thread.

Yes, it's a gem.

 

[Marc Levin]

Kevin Jones? Why would you do that to yourself?

b/c it is a PPR League with Mike Martz as his OC.Simple, really. I am counting on 50 or so receptions from Jones to offset his lack of TDs.

 

[Marc Levin]

MoP - in the third did you consider Gates? In a PPR, he is evenmore valuable - he pops in as the #12 OVERALL player in the DD.

Considering you landed Dunn in the 4th, I think a Portis-Dunn-Holt-Gates lineup is the start of a championship PPR team.

Gates went at 2.12, just seems really high and I don't think you get value at all with that pick...I think Rivers will struggle this season and am a little down on the San Diego offense overall.

And, IIRC, Manning was gone, right?Not sure what I would do at your spot there - you are right, it is very hard.

I am 4th in a 12-team PPR supposedly Expert MOCK draft (lots of FBGuys.com's competitors are involved), and Manning fell (4pts/pass TD) to me in the third, so my decision was easy. My draft so far (TIA, will answer yours):

1.04 - Tiki

2.09 - K. Jones

3.04 - Peyton Manning

4.09 - Tatum Bell

5.04 - Derrick Mason

6.09 - Rod Smith

7.04 - Deion Branch - he'll probably end up as my WR1

8.09 - Ben Watson

9.04 - Mike Bell (at 8.08, I was debating Watson, Dayne and McNabb, so I went Watson b/c that was best for my team. By the time my pick rolled around here, the Mike Bell story broke, and I figured what the heck. I was already planning to back TBell up with Dayne if I could steal him, and I think Dayne is done - taking MBell gusrantees me at least one runner in the Denver backfield. I'll take my chances that a rookie sensation can hold of Ron freakin' Dayne.

10.08 - Randy McMichael - I was gonna take him last pick, but wanted to make sure I tied up both Bells first. I lalready had Watson so the risj was less to see if McMichael dropped, and he did. I certainly expected him to be gone by now - and I'd then take the #1 defense (Carolina) since the scoring system favors outstanding defenses.

11.04 - Baltimore D

These are FF WEBSITES and they have allowed a TON of value to drop in this draft, so it CAN happen. I feel like I am crushing this draft so far - need some more veteran WRs to round out my WR crew, but this is a mock, not a real league, and, for that purpose, I can count on myself having two good PPR starters from thoser three on board.

You can check out the draft in progress, with comments from all the drafters, here:

http://www.draftcandy.com/draft/mock_draft.asp

(be patient - these guys are taking the concept of a "slow" draft to new heights)

I think Kevin Jones in the middle to later part of the 2nd is becoming the best of the JuJones, Jam Lewis, Reg Bush, W.Parker picks.Most of the RB around there have a lot of questions but I think Kevin is going to start for sure and even if he does something like 1,200 total yds, and 6-8TD with upside for a lot more...that's a solid pick around there.

Manning in the 3rd is hard to fathom.

T.Bell in the 4th...are you thinking he might get traded or just good enough to occasionally start as your RB2/3...I would like to know what WR were available.

Mason and Smith in the 5th and 6th will stabalize your WR corp.

Branch and Watson...one of them if not both should post good numbers this season. Is Branch in camp yet?

Mike bell backs up that Tatum pick.

McMichael...you will start him over Watson for awhile. CPepp is gonna love that guy...Chambers and Booker covered, "oh look there's a 6'6" target that runs fast and has a LB 3 yds behind him...I think I'll try that."

Baltimore Ravens defense...how can you go wrong?

I woul start looking for value at WR quickly. Is Leftwhich still around...or are you just gonna grab Penny late?

In a "real" league, I probably would have a different looking draft - more depth at WR, and I wouldn;t have taken TBell. I took TBell there b/c I was (and am) firmly convinced it aint gonna be Dayne - if not Dayne, then (at that point) it had to be TBell - taking MBell when he was named Friday's starter and had pushed Dayne to #3 was also a no-brainer.Go read the comments to know why I took each pick.

 

[Marc Levin]

Kevin Jones? Why would you do that to yourself?

b/c it is a PPR League with Mike Martz as his OC.Simple, really. I am counting on 50 or so receptions from Jones to offset his lack of TDs.

P.S. - MOCK draft - he doesn't have to perform for this draft to still look good - I'm not playing it out.KJones at the end of the 2nd to go with Tiki (and to prevent the 1-3 guys from getting him) was a great move - forced the top-3 guys to go WR instead of backiing up their elite RB with another top-15/20 RB.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I know this is only opinion but.......Fantasy Index is crushing everyone....

QB: Hasselbeck

RB: Larry Johnson

RB: Reggie Bush

WR:Harrison

WR: Kennison

TE: Shockey

Thats Game over for LEVIN

 

[Marc Levin]

BTW, just took Jerry Porter as my WR4. If Toomer lasts to my next pick (in 9 slots), I'll take him and have a 5-deep WR rotation of Branch, RSmith, DMason, Porter and Toomer. That's fine in a PPR.

 

[Marc Levin]

I know this is only opinion but.......Fantasy Index is crushing everyone....QB: HasselbeckRB: Larry JohnsonRB: Reggie BushWR:HarrisonWR: KennisonTE: ShockeyThats Game over for LEVIN

They are having a good draft - but they did not scoop me anywhere. Crushing a draft means scooping your draft opponents - Gore in the 6th? Kenninson in the 7th while letting Branch slide? I would have snaked McNabb from them in the 8th in a real draft. Passing on Mike Bell for Earnest Wilford? Not securing Deuce McAllister behind Bush? Draftying the Colts D (in this type of defensive scoring system, the Colts are not a top-5 fantasy D) instead of the Ravens (who I picked next and who FBGuys has 3rd in this scoring system for Ds) was a hands down mistake.They (you??) have a good few players listed above, but my team is WAY deeper and I have been crushing them in the draft.

 

[LHUCKS]

I don't like your picks in rounds 3, 6, 7, 11.

 

[Marc Levin]

I don't like your picks in rounds 3, 6, 7, 11.

why not? I NEVER go QB that early (and coulda had McNabb in the 8th, so it turned out to be a mistake), but Manning at 3.04 was huge. Don't forget, I almost won our Survivor league two years ago after going pure VBD and drafting C-Pepp in the top of the 3rd. I really struggled with the pick - I certainly would have taken Boldin Moss or Harrison there, but they got scooped up b/c of my KJones pick. BIG drop at WR after those guys were gone, and all the RBs were gone. I admit that if 3.03 had left Bush to me, he'd be on my team instead of Manning.read my comments and look at the draft board before decidingwhether you dislike the pickWhy do you dislike the Ravens pick in a league that rewards low yardage and low scoring, and in a league where my starting lineup was SET - I already had my stud QB, three deep at RB, three deep at WR, two deep at TE in a PPR league starting 1/2/2/1/1/1 The next step is to secure an elite starting D or K, and I took the elite starting D - was a great move by me.

 

[the rover]

Otis, you may want to re-think this comment:

Also, if this is a PPR league then the pick is more paletable,

His receiving numbers - targets and receptions - have taken consistent hits every year - it is his rushing yardage that has been skyrocketing.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DunnWa00-2.php

Warrick Dunn is the best RB2 you can snag in the 4th round - bar none. Excellent value.

Otis think this belongs in the ACF, he failes to realize Joe wants threads like this but doesn't want plain old teams listed with nothing to debate or any insight. I think 70 some odd posts later though this has been a worthwhile thread.

Strategy from certain spots is always welcome in the Pool.

How is drafting 4th a strategy? He posted his team. Big deal. There's no meaningful discussion about a strategy or the available alternatives, since that would have to include some discussion of his intentions and expectations prior to the draft, which are completely lacking.

His 4th round pick is for the purposes of being a "bye week filler" -- great strategy discussion there.

Some of the staff may have a hard on for this guy, but it just encourages other people to post similar drivel asking for approval about their drafts.

If this thread had been posted by a guy that just signed up, it would have been moved or nuked.

Here's a good discussion of drafting from the 3 hole: link

notice how there's actual discussion of strategy, and not just posting the results of a draft and then abusing people that criticize the picks?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Otis, you may want to re-think this comment:

Also, if this is a PPR league then the pick is more paletable,

His receiving numbers - targets and receptions - have taken consistent hits every year - it is his rushing yardage that has been skyrocketing.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DunnWa00-2.php

Warrick Dunn is the best RB2 you can snag in the 4th round - bar none. Excellent value.

Otis think this belongs in the ACF, he failes to realize Joe wants threads like this but doesn't want plain old teams listed with nothing to debate or any insight. I think 70 some odd posts later though this has been a worthwhile thread.

Strategy from certain spots is always welcome in the Pool.

How is drafting 4th a strategy? He posted his team. Big deal. There's no meaningful discussion about a strategy or the available alternatives, since that would have to include some discussion of his intentions and expectations prior to the draft, which are completely lacking.

His 4th round pick is for the purposes of being a "bye week filler" -- great strategy discussion there.

Some of the staff may have a hard on for this guy, but it just encourages other people to post similar drivel asking for approval about their drafts.

If this thread had been posted by a guy that just signed up, it would have been moved or nuked.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing"Drivel eh? Rover it's cool that you have your opinion and your take. With all of the posts that come up after I think the thread was pretty entertaining and I have gotten a lot of PM from posters and those afraid to post because of folks like you who have the same draft slot and have found themselves looking at about the same players I was.

And I don't think any of the staff have a woodie for anyone on these boards, not sure what your hoping to gain by launching a personal attack. You certainly don't have to open any of my threads, or Marc Levin's, or anyone for that matter that you don't like. I have a feeling the title caught your eye and you wanted to read it just like most folks.

Most of these threads with slot orders to them are basically a way to somewhat script your options. One of the challenges at the draft is when you have to make a quick decision and you end up taking someone you regret later...it happens to all of us. If you have an idea of who is around in different rounds you can plan accordingly. If you don't like anyone available at that spot then maybe you can reach earlier in the draft which I believe Jeff P(FBG) actually advises people to think about.

Thanks for chiming in Rover, good luck to you.

 

[the rover]

Otis, you may want to re-think this comment:

Also, if this is a PPR league then the pick is more paletable,

His receiving numbers - targets and receptions - have taken consistent hits every year - it is his rushing yardage that has been skyrocketing.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/DunnWa00-2.php

Warrick Dunn is the best RB2 you can snag in the 4th round - bar none. Excellent value.

Otis think this belongs in the ACF, he failes to realize Joe wants threads like this but doesn't want plain old teams listed with nothing to debate or any insight. I think 70 some odd posts later though this has been a worthwhile thread.

Strategy from certain spots is always welcome in the Pool.

How is drafting 4th a strategy? He posted his team. Big deal. There's no meaningful discussion about a strategy or the available alternatives, since that would have to include some discussion of his intentions and expectations prior to the draft, which are completely lacking.

His 4th round pick is for the purposes of being a "bye week filler" -- great strategy discussion there.

Some of the staff may have a hard on for this guy, but it just encourages other people to post similar drivel asking for approval about their drafts.

If this thread had been posted by a guy that just signed up, it would have been moved or nuked.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing"Drivel eh? Rover it's cool that you have your opinion and your take. With all of the posts that come up after I think the thread was pretty entertaining and I have gotten a lot of PM from posters and those afraid to post because of folks like you who have the same draft slot and have found themselves looking at about the same players I was.

And I don't think any of the staff have a woodie for anyone on these boards, not sure what your hoping to gain by launching a personal attack. You certainly don't have to open any of my threads, or Marc Levin's, or anyone for that matter that you don't like. I have a feeling the title caught your eye and you wanted to read it just like most folks.

Most of these threads with slot orders to them are basically a way to somewhat script your options. One of the challenges at the draft is when you have to make a quick decision and you end up taking someone you regret later...it happens to all of us. If you have an idea of who is around in different rounds you can plan accordingly. If you don't like anyone available at that spot then maybe you can reach earlier in the draft which I believe Jeff P(FBG) actually advises people to think about.

Thanks for chiming in Rover, good luck to you.

I thought when I read the thread title that there would be a discussion of a strategy for drafting from the 4 slot. What I got was a rate my team thread. You should know better and the staff shouldn't allow it outside the ACF. Check the pinned index. There's a thread on drafting out of the 4 spot. It has actual discussion, rather than just posting a team. I don't care about you personally. I just get frustrated seeing this clutter, which is supposedly not tolerated. Unfortunately, the staff applies double standards for some posters.

That's cool. Keep posting your poorly disguised threads. I hope it makes you feel less insecure about your drafting ability.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

"I find your lack of faith disturbing"

Drivel eh? Rover it's cool that you have your opinion and your take. With all of the posts that come up after I think the thread was pretty entertaining and I have gotten a lot of PM from posters and those afraid to post because of folks like you who have the same draft slot and have found themselves looking at about the same players I was.

And I don't think any of the staff have a woodie for anyone on these boards, not sure what your hoping to gain by launching a personal attack. You certainly don't have to open any of my threads, or Marc Levin's, or anyone for that matter that you don't like. I have a feeling the title caught your eye and you wanted to read it just like most folks.

Most of these threads with slot orders to them are basically a way to somewhat script your options. One of the challenges at the draft is when you have to make a quick decision and you end up taking someone you regret later...it happens to all of us. If you have an idea of who is around in different rounds you can plan accordingly. If you don't like anyone available at that spot then maybe you can reach earlier in the draft which I believe Jeff P(FBG) actually advises people to think about.

Thanks for chiming in Rover, good luck to you.

I thought when I read the thread title that there would be a discussion of a strategy for drafting from the 4 slot. What I got was a rate my team thread. You should know better and the staff shouldn't allow it outside the ACF. Check the pinned index. There's a thread on drafting out of the 4 spot. It has actual discussion, rather than just posting a team. I don't care about you personally. I just get frustrated seeing this clutter, which is supposedly not tolerated. Unfortunately, the staff applies double standards for some posters.

That's cool. Keep posting your poorly disguised threads. I hope it makes you feel less insecure about your drafting ability.

Mine is one that's pinned in there genius! Draft slot links

As I said Rover, good luck to you, I hope you crush all us wannabees

 

[Marc Levin]

I hope you crush all us wannabees

Leave him out of it - wannabee is one of the posters to whom we give favoritism.Rover, you couldn't be further off base. But, whatever, you are entitled to your opinion and you are entitled to believe we have a double standard.People bashing the staff alleging favoritism is nothing new.

 

[the rover]

I hope you crush all us wannabees

Leave him out of it - wannabee is one of the posters to whom we give favoritism.Rover, you couldn't be further off base. But, whatever, you are entitled to your opinion and you are entitled to believe we have a double standard.People bashing the staff alleging favoritism is nothing new.

So the new "standard" around here is that posting results of a draft, calling yourself and expert and claiming it's a "blueprint" constitutes a legitimate thread, and not a "rate my team" thread that we're told (in big red letters, no less), that we shouldn't post?Sweet. I just did a mock where I tried to hoard all of the kickers. Can't wait for all of your comments.

 

[Otis]

If that's a "blueprint" it's for building the Hindenberg.

 

[LHUCKS]

I don't like your picks in rounds 3, 6, 7, 11.

why not? I NEVER go QB that early (and coulda had McNabb in the 8th, so it turned out to be a mistake), but Manning at 3.04 was huge. Don't forget, I almost won our Survivor league two years ago after going pure VBD and drafting C-Pepp in the top of the 3rd. I really struggled with the pick - I certainly would have taken Boldin Moss or Harrison there, but they got scooped up b/c of my KJones pick. BIG drop at WR after those guys were gone, and all the RBs were gone. I admit that if 3.03 had left Bush to me, he'd be on my team instead of Manning.read my comments and look at the draft board before decidingwhether you dislike the pickWhy do you dislike the Ravens pick in a league that rewards low yardage and low scoring, and in a league where my starting lineup was SET - I already had my stud QB, three deep at RB, three deep at WR, two deep at TE in a PPR league starting 1/2/2/1/1/1 The next step is to secure an elite starting D or K, and I took the elite starting D - was a great move by me.

Sorry Marc, I was referring to MOP's draft.

 

[Marc Levin]

I don't like your picks in rounds 3, 6, 7, 11.

why not? I NEVER go QB that early (and coulda had McNabb in the 8th, so it turned out to be a mistake), but Manning at 3.04 was huge. Don't forget, I almost won our Survivor league two years ago after going pure VBD and drafting C-Pepp in the top of the 3rd. I really struggled with the pick - I certainly would have taken Boldin Moss or Harrison there, but they got scooped up b/c of my KJones pick. BIG drop at WR after those guys were gone, and all the RBs were gone. I admit that if 3.03 had left Bush to me, he'd be on my team instead of Manning.read my comments and look at the draft board before decidingwhether you dislike the pickWhy do you dislike the Ravens pick in a league that rewards low yardage and low scoring, and in a league where my starting lineup was SET - I already had my stud QB, three deep at RB, three deep at WR, two deep at TE in a PPR league starting 1/2/2/1/1/1 The next step is to secure an elite starting D or K, and I took the elite starting D - was a great move by me.

Sorry Marc, I was referring to MOP's draft.

Oh - makes much more sense now.