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THE BOOK DRAFT (1 Viewer)

I'll wait for a ruling on that pick before listing my next one.
Tough call. I think the dialogs might be better classified as a collection of short stories. (Certainly fits in the flex category :D )

I think a series should more than just the author in common between various volumes (e.g., a character). Admittedly, I do not have much familiarity with Plato's dialogs.

Can you make a case that they constitute a series.

 
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This might be controversial because I want to make this as my "series" pick, and the books don't have similar titles and aren't numbered in order as sequels to each other. However, I do believe that the author intended his body of work to be viewed as a whole, which is why I think of them as a "series". Anyway, if this is not allowed, then let me know and I'll repick:

For my "series" pick, I choose Plato's dialogues.
Good, kosher pick, imo
 
This might be controversial because I want to make this as my "series" pick, and the books don't have similar titles and aren't numbered in order as sequels to each other. However, I do believe that the author intended his body of work to be viewed as a whole, which is why I think of them as a "series". Anyway, if this is not allowed, then let me know and I'll repick:

For my "series" pick, I choose Plato's dialogues.
Good, kosher pick, imo
As far as the "seeing as a whole" qualification, that's one reason I saw LOTR as a scifi entry vs. series. Foundation on the other hand, seemed more like a series (assuming rikishiboy wanted more than just the Foundation trilogy, and I think he did).
 
I'll wait for a ruling on that pick before listing my next one.
Tough call. I think the dialogs might be better classified as a collection of short stories. (Certainly fits in the flex category :D )

I think a series should more than just the author in common between various volumes (e.g., a character). Admittedly, I do not have much familiarity with Plato's dialogs.

Can you make a case that they constitute a series.
I'm actually in the middle of Plato's Symposium right now. A short read, but chock full of thoughtful discussion on love, immortality, and such.
 
I'll wait for a ruling on that pick before listing my next one.
Tough call. I think the dialogs might be better classified as a collection of short stories. (Certainly fits in the flex category :D )

I think a series should more than just the author in common between various volumes (e.g., a character). Admittedly, I do not have much familiarity with Plato's dialogs.

Can you make a case that they constitute a series.
reappearing characters(specifically Socrates in almost all of the books)subjects and thoughts that build off of previous books in the series

Reading just one of the works does not give the reader a complete story or image of his philosophy(in most cases)

 
I'll wait for a ruling on that pick before listing my next one.
Tough call. I think the dialogs might be better classified as a collection of short stories. (Certainly fits in the flex category :D )

I think a series should more than just the author in common between various volumes (e.g., a character). Admittedly, I do not have much familiarity with Plato's dialogs.

Can you make a case that they constitute a series.
reappearing characters(specifically Socrates in almost all of the books)subjects and thoughts that build off of previous books in the series

Reading just one of the works does not give the reader a complete story or image of his philosophy(in most cases)
OK. As far as I'm concerned this is qualifies as a series. If there are no objections, suggest you make your next pick.
 
This might be controversial because I want to make this as my "series" pick, and the books don't have similar titles and aren't numbered in order as sequels to each other. However, I do believe that the author intended his body of work to be viewed as a whole, which is why I think of them as a "series". Anyway, if this is not allowed, then let me know and I'll repick:

For my "series" pick, I choose Plato's dialogues.
Good, kosher pick, imo
As far as the "seeing as a whole" qualification, that's one reason I saw LOTR as a scifi entry vs. series. Foundation on the other hand, seemed more like a series (assuming rikishiboy wanted more than just the Foundation trilogy, and I think he did).
Color me slow (or maybe I just missed it), butcould elaborate why LOTR wasn't a series?

 
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Don't feel like holding up the draft much more thinking of my next pick, so I'll just go with the cop out of picking the Bible as my collection of short stories.

 
Don't feel like holding up the draft much more thinking of my next pick, so I'll just go with the cop out of picking the Bible as my collection of short stories.
Pick again
:wall: ok, pick comingedited to add: Was the rule actually put in place? I see that you complained and rikishiboy agreed with you, but kupcho disagreed with you, and nobody else really chimed in on the subject. Eh whatever...I'll just pick again.

 
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THE BOOK DRAFT is complete through Round 3

1.01 - rikishiboy - The Foundation Series - Isaac Asimov - Series

1.02 - DC Thunder - The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald - Classic

1.03 - Ivankaramazov - The Stand - Stephen King - Horror

1.04 - mon - The Grapes of Wrath - John Steinbeck - Classic

1.05 - perry147 - The Lord of the Rings - J.R.R. Tolkein - Science Fiction/Fantasy

1.06 - Uncle Humuna - Moby **** - Herman Melville - Classic

1.07 - kupcho1 - 孫子兵法 (The Art of War) - 孫子 (Sun Tzu) - Nonfiction

1.08 - Woz - The Best Tales of Edgar Allen Poe - Edgar Allen Poe - Short Story Collection

1.09 - cosjobs - Lonesome Dove - Larry McMurtry - Drama

1.10 - Assani Fisher - 1984 - George Orwell - Classic

2.01 - Assani Fisher - Catcher in the Rye - J. D. Salinger - Drama

2.02 - cosjobs - The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn - Mark Twain - Classic

2.03 - Woz - Gulliver's Travels - Jonathan Swift - Classic

2.04 - kupcho1 - A Confederacy of Dunces - John Kennedy Toole - Drama

2.05 - Uncle Humuna - Cat's Cradle - Kurt Vonnegut - Flex

2.06 - perry147 - The Iliad - Homer - Classic

2.07 - mon - Catch 22 - Joseph Heller - Flex

2.08 - Ivankaramazov - Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk - Thriller

2.09 - DC Thunder - Horatio Hornblower Series - C.S. Forester - Series

2.10 - rikishiboy - Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes - Classic

3.01 - rikishiboy - Frankenstein - Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - Horror

3.02 - DC Thunder - The Count of Monte Cristo - Alexandre Dumas - Thriller

3.03 - Ivankaramazov - Brave New World - Aldous Huxley - Science Fiction/Fantasy

3.04 - mon - Tales of H. P. Lovecraft - H. P. Lovecraft - Horror

3.05 - perry147 - Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand - Drama

3.06 - Uncle Humuna - Dune - Frank Herbert - Science Fiction/Fantasy

3.07 - kupcho1 - Ulysses - James Joyce - Classic

3.08 - Woz - The Prince - Machiavelli - Nonfiction

3.09 - cosjobs - The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch - Philip K. **** - Horror

3.10 - Assani Fisher - Plato's Dialogs - Plato - Series

rikishiboy

1 - The Foundation Series - Isaac Asimov - Series

2 - Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes - Classic

3 - Frankenstein - Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - Horror

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10 - - -

DC Thunder

1 - The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald - Classic

2 - Horatio Hornblower Series - C.S. Forester - Series

3 - The Count of Monte Cristo - Alexandre Dumas - Thriller

4 - - -

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9 - - -

10 - - -

Ivankaramazov

1 - The Stand - Stephen King - Horror

2 - Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk - Thriller

3 - Brave New World - Aldous Huxley - Science Fiction/Fantasy

4 - - -

5 - - -

6 - - -

7 - - -

8 - - -

9 - - -

10 - - -

mon

1 - The Grapes of Wrath - John Steinbeck - Classic

2 - Catch 22 - Joseph Heller - Flex

3 - Tales of H. P. Lovecraft - H. P. Lovecraft - Horror

4 - - -

5 - - -

6 - - -

7 - - -

8 - - -

9 - - -

10 - - -

perry147

1 - The Lord of the Rings - J.R.R. Tolkein - Science Fiction/Fantasy

2 - The Iliad - Homer - Classic

3 - Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand - Drama

4 - - -

5 - - -

6 - - -

7 - - -

8 - - -

9 - - -

10 - - -

Uncle Humuna

1 - Moby **** - Herman Melville - Classic

2 - Cat's Cradle - Kurt Vonnegut - Flex

3 - Dune - Frank Herbert - Science Fiction/Fantasy

4 - - -

5 - - -

6 - - -

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kupcho1

1 - 孫子兵法 (The Art of War) - 孫子 (Sun Tzu) - Nonfiction

2 - A Confederacy of Dunces - John Kennedy Toole - Drama

3 - Ulysses - James Joyce - Classic

4 - - -

5 - - -

6 - - -

7 - - -

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9 - - -

10 - - -

Woz

1 - The Best Tales of Edgar Allen Poe - Edgar Allen Poe - Short Story Collection

2 - Gulliver's Travels - Jonathan Swift - Classic

3 - The Prince - Machiavelli - Nonfiction

4 - - -

5 - - -

6 - - -

7 - - -

8 - - -

9 - - -

10 - - -

cosjobs

1 - Lonesome Dove - Larry McMurtry - Drama

2 - The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn - Mark Twain - Classic

3 - The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch - Philip K. **** - Horror

4 - - -

5 - - -

6 - - -

7 - - -

8 - - -

9 - - -

10 - - -

Assani Fisher

1 - 1984 - George Orwell - Classic

2 - Catcher in the Rye - J. D. Salinger - Drama

3 - Plato's Dialogs - Plato - Series

4 - - -

5 - - -

6 - - -

7 - - -

8 - - -

9 - - -

10 - - -

Classic - 9

Drama - 4

Flex - 2

Horror - 4

Mystery - 0

Nonfiction - 2

Science Fiction/Fantasy - 3

Series - 3

Short Story Collection - 1

Thriller - 2

 
I'm going series here with John D. McDonald's Travis McGee Series. A collection of 21 novels penned from 1964 to 1984.

Salvage consultant. Recoverer of misplaced goods. Ladies man. Cynical knight errant. Colourful TRAVIS MCGEE docks his yacht, The Busted Flush, a 52-foot barge type houseboat with twin diesels, at the Fort Lauderdale marina, and takes his retirement on the installment plan. It's all financed by his job as a "salvage consultant." What he actually does is recover missing or stolen goods for half their value. Along the way, he invariably fixes a broken heart or two. He's big on therapeutic sex, is our boy, Trav. From his debut in 1964 with The Deep Blue Goodbye, to his final appearance in 1984's The Lonely Silver Rain, he appeared in twenty one novels, each with a colour in the title, and remains one of the best, and most beloved private eyes of all time (even if he wasn't licensed, and he at times acted more like Robin Hood, that's what he was

 
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I'm going series here with John D. McDonald's Travis McGee Series. A collection of 21 novels penned from 1964 to 1984.

Salvage consultant. Recoverer of misplaced goods. Ladies man. Cynical knight errant. Colourful TRAVIS MCGEE docks his yacht, The Busted Flush, a 52-foot barge type houseboat with twin diesels, at the Fort Lauderdale marina, and takes his retirement on the installment plan. It's all financed by his job as a "salvage consultant." What he actually does is recover missing or stolen goods for half their value. Along the way, he invariably fixes a broken heart or two. He's big on therapeutic sex, is our boy, Trav. From his debut in 1964 with The Deep Blue Goodbye, to his final appearance in 1984's The Lonely Silver Rain, he appeared in twenty one novels, each with a colour in the title, and remains one of the best, and most beloved private eyes of all time (even if he wasn't licensed, and he at times acted more like Robin Hood, that's what he was
YOU ####### *******.I never expected this. :rant: :hot:

Thought for sure I could get away with this in the 10th. Who let you in late anyway?

ps, it wasn't your turn yet. Bible was overruled

 
I'm going series here with John D. McDonald's Travis McGee Series. A collection of 21 novels penned from 1964 to 1984.

Salvage consultant. Recoverer of misplaced goods. Ladies man. Cynical knight errant. Colourful TRAVIS MCGEE docks his yacht, The Busted Flush, a 52-foot barge type houseboat with twin diesels, at the Fort Lauderdale marina, and takes his retirement on the installment plan. It's all financed by his job as a "salvage consultant." What he actually does is recover missing or stolen goods for half their value. Along the way, he invariably fixes a broken heart or two. He's big on therapeutic sex, is our boy, Trav. From his debut in 1964 with The Deep Blue Goodbye, to his final appearance in 1984's The Lonely Silver Rain, he appeared in twenty one novels, each with a colour in the title, and remains one of the best, and most beloved private eyes of all time (even if he wasn't licensed, and he at times acted more like Robin Hood, that's what he was
That is an absolutely masterful pick. By far the SOD. Anybody who hasn't read these books should do so immediately! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
And here I felt a bit ashamed to be picking Travis after the Plato, Machiavelli, etc. Thanks for the kudos, guys.

 
And here I felt a bit ashamed to be picking Travis after the Plato, Machiavelli, etc.

Thanks for the kudos, guys.
That's OK, Harry Potter is still available as a series. :wall:

:bitter:

 
Woz has til 3:15 or so. If he's not here, I'll make a pick from his list.
He's not online.
OK then, from the Woz list:2. It - Stephen King - horror
Stephen King is the only author with more than one book listed in our draft. Do you think that in say 50 years from now people will see Stephen King as being more than just a horror writer but maybe the best writer of our generation? Perhaps that is a bit much but I do think he is not given his proper due because he is a horror writer.
 
Woz has til 3:15 or so.  If he's not here, I'll make a pick from his list.
He's not online.
OK then, from the Woz list:2. It - Stephen King - horror
Stephen King is the only author with more than one book listed in our draft. Do you think that in say 50 years from now people will see Stephen King as being more than just a horror writer but maybe the best writer of our generation? Perhaps that is a bit much but I do think he is not given his proper due because he is a horror writer.
IMO he's a damn good horror writer, but little more. I think he has gotten all the credit he deserves.
 
Woz has til 3:15 or so.  If he's not here, I'll make a pick from his list.
He's not online.
OK then, from the Woz list:2. It - Stephen King - horror
Stephen King is the only author with more than one book listed in our draft. Do you think that in say 50 years from now people will see Stephen King as being more than just a horror writer but maybe the best writer of our generation? Perhaps that is a bit much but I do think he is not given his proper due because he is a horror writer.
His stories will stand the test of time, but not because he is a great writer. He is not a writer's writer, but a writer of the people. I admire him greatly and was considering The Stand for my first pick, but Ivan beat me to it. He is not even close to the best writer of our generation, but he is an icon nevertheless.
 
Woz has til 3:15 or so.  If he's not here, I'll make a pick from his list.
He's not online.
OK then, from the Woz list:2. It - Stephen King - horror
Stephen King is the only author with more than one book listed in our draft. Do you think that in say 50 years from now people will see Stephen King as being more than just a horror writer but maybe the best writer of our generation? Perhaps that is a bit much but I do think he is not given his proper due because he is a horror writer.
That may be so, but I doubt that in 50 years Stephen King WILL be considered the best writer of the past 20 years.
 
Woz has til 3:15 or so.  If he's not here, I'll make a pick from his list.
He's not online.
OK then, from the Woz list:2. It - Stephen King - horror
Stephen King is the only author with more than one book listed in our draft. Do you think that in say 50 years from now people will see Stephen King as being more than just a horror writer but maybe the best writer of our generation? Perhaps that is a bit much but I do think he is not given his proper due because he is a horror writer.
That may be so, but I doubt that in 50 years Stephen King WILL be considered the best writer of the past 20 years.
Nor would he meet the qualifications.
 
4.04 / A Clockwork Orange / 1962 / Science Fiction

It shouldn't be difficult to figure out that I really love A Clockwork Orange. And if you've seen the movie and not read the book, you've not gotten the entire story. Burgess' dystopian novel was comprised of 21 chapters. The Kubrick film adaptation stopped after the 20th ("Burgess strongly disapproved of this decision, which he believed had distorted the novel into a nasty tale of unredeemable evil").

Burgess wrote that the title came from an old Cockney expression "As queer as a clockwork orange." ¹ Due to his time serving the British Colonial Office in Malaya, Burgess thought that the phrase could be used to punningly refer to a mechanically responsive (clockwork) non-human (orang, Malay for "person"). The Italian title, "Un'Arancia ad Orologeria" was interpreted to refer to a grenade. Burgess wrote in his later introduction, "A Clockwork Orange Resucked," that a creature who can only perform good or evil is "a clockwork orange—meaning that he has the appearance of an organism lovely with colour and juice but is in fact only a clockwork toy to be wound up by God or the Devil."
In my opinion, good science fiction has to deal with hardhitting themes and address important societal issues. A Clockwork Orange does that, particularly with respect to:* Free will - "More than anything, Burgess believed that “the freedom to choose is the big human attribute,” meaning that the presence of moral choice ultimately distinguishes human beings from machines or lower animals. This belief provides the central argument of A Clockwork Orange, where Alex asserts his free will by choosing a course of wickedness, only to be subsequently robbed of his self-determination by the government. In making Alex—a criminal guilty of violence, rape, and theft—the hero of the novel, Burgess argues that humanity must, at all costs, insist that individuals be allowed to make their own moral choices, even if that freedom results in depravity. When the State removes Alex’s power to choose his own moral course of action, Alex becomes nothing more than a thing. A human being’s legitimacy as a moral agent is predicated on the notion that good and evil exist as separate, equally valid choices. Without evil as a valid option, the choice to be good becomes nothing more than an empty, meaningless gesture."

* The Inherent Evil of Government - "Just as A Clockwork Orange champions free will, it deplores the institution of government, which systematically seeks to suppress the individual in favor of the collective, or the state. Alex articulates this notion when he contends, in Part One, Chapter 4, that modern history is the story of individuals fighting against large, repressive government “machines.” As we see in A Clockwork Orange, the State is prepared to employ any means necessary to ensure its survival. Using technological innovation, mass-market culture, and the threat of violence, among other strategies, the State seeks to control Alex and his fellow citizens, who are least dangerous when they are most predictable. The State also does not tolerate dissent. Once technology helps to clear its prisons by making hardened criminals harmless, the State begins incarcerating dissidents, like F. Alexander, who aim to rouse public opinion against it and thus threaten its stability."

* The Necessity of Commitment in Life - "Burgess saw apathy and neutrality as two of the greatest sins of postwar England, and these qualities abound in A Clockwork Orange. Burgess satirizes them heavily, especially in his depiction of Alex’s parents. Fearful of going outside and content to be lulled to sleep by a worldcast program, Alex’s parents exemplify what Burgess saw as the essentially torpid nature of middle-class citizens. Conversely, Burgess makes Alex, whose proactive dedication to the pursuit of pleasure causes great suffering, the hero of his novel. Alex himself seems disgusted by neutrality, which he sees as a function of “thingness,” or inhumanity."

Not to mention the creation of Nadsat, an "invented slang that incorporates mostly Russian and Cockney English, Alex uses nadsat to describe the world of A Clockwork Orange. Its initial effect is one of exclusion and alienation, as the reader actively deals with the foreignness of Alex’s speech. This effect is important because it keeps us removed from the intensely brutal violence that Alex perpetrates. Before we can evaluate Alex’s character, we must first come to identify with him on his terms: to “speak his language,” literally. In this way, Alex implicates us in the remorseless violence he commits throughout most of Part One, and we in turn develop sympathy for him as our narrator. In some sense, then, nadsat is a form of brainwashing—as we develop this new vocabulary, it subtly changes the ways we think about things. Nadsat shows the subtle, subliminal ways that language can control others. As the popular idiom of the teenager, nadsat seems to enter the collective consciousness on a subcultural level, a notion that hints at an undercurrent of burgeoning repression."

Also, the novel makes use of Classical Music:

"Classical music enters A Clockwork Orange on a number of levels. On the formal level, the structure of the novel is patterned after musical forms. The novel, which is divided into three parts of seven chapters each, assumes an ABA form, analogous to an operatic aria. Accordingly, Parts 1 and 3 are mirror images of each other, while Part Two is substantially different. The A sections both take place on the streets near Alex’s home and in a country cottage, while the B section takes place in a jail. The A sections begin with Alex asking himself “What’s it going to be then, eh?” The B section begins with the same question, but this time, the prison chaplain asks the question to Alex. The A sections identify Alex by name, while the B section identifies him by number. Additionally, the A sections, as mirror images of each other, feature inversions of the same plot. Whereas, in Part One, Alex preys on unwitting and unwilling victims, in Part Three those same victims wittingly and willingly prey on him. These formal symmetries help us to make comparisons as the thematic material develops over the course of the novel."

 
Woz has til 3:15 or so.  If he's not here, I'll make a pick from his list.
He's not online.
I'm here now but just apparently a couple minutes too late. Shouldn't have talked to that girl after class :D "It" is fine though and I probably would have taken it. My reasoning here is more personal than objective with this selection. I'm not a big fan of the horror genre and there were only two books left that I really wanted. I went with "It" because it's probably my favorite read of all time. I read "It" in fifth grade and was astounded that one man's imagination could be so in depth. I then read it a few more times since and the figuritiveness of the good v. evil (especially his concept of the "turtle") was simply ingenious and complex. The charcters in the novel were also very complex, each with his own nuance.

 
Humuna on the clock. I'll be out for the next few hours, but since I don't pick that shouldn't be a problem. Update:1.01 - rikishiboy - The Foundation Series - Isaac Asimov - Series1.02 - DC Thunder - The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald - Classic1.03 - Ivankaramazov - The Stand - Stephen King - Horror1.04 - mon - The Grapes of Wrath - John Steinbeck - Classic1.05 - perry147 - The Lord of the Rings - J.R.R. Tolkein - Science Fiction/Fantasy1.06 - Uncle Humuna - Moby **** - Herman Melville - Classic1.07 - kupcho1 - 孫子兵法 (The Art of War) - 孫子 (Sun Tzu) - Nonfiction1.08 - Woz - The Best Tales of Edgar Allen Poe - Edgar Allen Poe - Short Story Collection1.09 - cosjobs - Lonesome Dove - Larry McMurtry - Drama1.10 - Assani Fisher - 1984 - George Orwell - Classic2.01 - Assani Fisher - Catcher in the Rye - J. D. Salinger - Drama2.02 - cosjobs - The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn - Mark Twain - Classic2.03 - Woz - Gulliver's Travels - Jonathan Swift - Classic2.04 - kupcho1 - A Confederacy of Dunces - John Kennedy Toole - Drama2.05 - Uncle Humuna - Cat's Cradle - Kurt Vonnegut - Flex2.06 - perry147 - The Iliad - Homer - Classic2.07 - mon - Catch 22 - Joseph Heller - Flex2.08 - Ivankaramazov - Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk - Thriller2.09 - DC Thunder - Horatio Hornblower Series - C.S. Forester - Series2.10 - rikishiboy - Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes - Classic3.01 - rikishiboy - Frankenstein - Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - Horror3.02 - DC Thunder - The Count of Monte Cristo - Alexandre Dumas - Thriller3.03 - Ivankaramazov - Brave New World - Aldous Huxley - Science Fiction/Fantasy3.04 - mon - Tales of H. P. Lovecraft - H. P. Lovecraft - Horror3.05 - perry147 - Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand - Drama3.06 - Uncle Humuna - Dune - Frank Herbert - Science Fiction/Fantasy3.07 - kupcho1 - Ulysses - James Joyce - Classic3.08 - Woz - The Prince - Machiavelli - Nonfiction3.09 - cosjobs - The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch - Philip K. **** - Horror3.10 - Assani Fisher - Plato's Dialogs - Plato - Series4.01 - Assani Fisher - When Pride Still Mattered: A Life of Vince Lombardi - David Maraniss - Nonfiction4.02 - cosjobs - Travis McGee Series - John D. MacDonald - Series4.03 - Woz - It - Stephen King - Horror4.04 - kupcho1 - A Clockwork Orange - Anthony Burgess - Science Fiction/Fantasy4.05 - Uncle Humuna - - - rikishiboy 1 - The Foundation Series - Isaac Asimov - Series2 - Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes - Classic3 - Frankenstein - Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - Horror4 - - - 5 - - - 6 - - - 7 - - - 8 - - - 9 - - - 10 - - - DC Thunder 1 - The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald - Classic2 - Horatio Hornblower Series - C.S. Forester - Series3 - The Count of Monte Cristo - Alexandre Dumas - Thriller4 - - - 5 - - - 6 - - - 7 - - - 8 - - - 9 - - - 10 - - - Ivankaramazov 1 - The Stand - Stephen King - Horror2 - Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk - Thriller3 - Brave New World - Aldous Huxley - Science Fiction/Fantasy4 - - - 5 - - - 6 - - - 7 - - - 8 - - - 9 - - - 10 - - - mon 1 - The Grapes of Wrath - John Steinbeck - Classic2 - Catch 22 - Joseph Heller - Flex3 - Tales of H. P. Lovecraft - H. P. Lovecraft - Horror4 - - - 5 - - - 6 - - - 7 - - - 8 - - - 9 - - - 10 - - - perry147 1 - The Lord of the Rings - J.R.R. Tolkein - Science Fiction/Fantasy2 - The Iliad - Homer - Classic3 - Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand - Drama4 - - - 5 - - - 6 - - - 7 - - - 8 - - - 9 - - - 10 - - - Uncle Humuna 1 - Moby **** - Herman Melville - Classic2 - Cat's Cradle - Kurt Vonnegut - Flex3 - Dune - Frank Herbert - Science Fiction/Fantasy4 - - - 5 - - - 6 - - - 7 - - - 8 - - - 9 - - - 10 - - - kupcho1 1 - 孫子兵法 (The Art of War) - 孫子 (Sun Tzu) - Nonfiction2 - A Confederacy of Dunces - John Kennedy Toole - Drama3 - Ulysses - James Joyce - Classic4 - A Clockwork Orange - Anthony Burgess - Science Fiction/Fantasy5 - - - 6 - - - 7 - - - 8 - - - 9 - - - 10 - - - Woz 1 - The Best Tales of Edgar Allen Poe - Edgar Allen Poe - Short Story Collection2 - Gulliver's Travels - Jonathan Swift - Classic3 - The Prince - Machiavelli - Nonfiction4 - It - Stephen King - Horror5 - - - 6 - - - 7 - - - 8 - - - 9 - - - 10 - - - cosjobs 1 - Lonesome Dove - Larry McMurtry - Drama2 - The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn - Mark Twain - Classic3 - The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch - Philip K. **** - Horror4 - Travis McGee Series - John D. MacDonald - Series5 - - - 6 - - - 7 - - - 8 - - - 9 - - - 10 - - - Assani Fisher 1 - 1984 - George Orwell - Classic2 - Catcher in the Rye - J. D. Salinger - Drama3 - Plato's Dialogs - Plato - Series4 - When Pride Still Mattered: A Life of Vince Lombardi - David Maraniss - Nonfiction5 - - - 6 - - - 7 - - - 8 - - - 9 - - - 10 - - - Classic - 9Drama - 4Flex - 2Horror - 5Mystery - 0Nonfiction - 3Science Fiction/Fantasy - 4Series - 4Short Story Collection - 1Thriller - 2

 
4.04 / A Clockwork Orange / 1962 / Science Fiction

It shouldn't be difficult to figure out that I really love A Clockwork Orange. And if you've seen the movie and not read the book, you've not gotten the entire story. Burgess' dystopian novel was comprised of 21 chapters. The Kubrick film adaptation stopped after the 20th ("Burgess strongly disapproved of this decision, which he believed had distorted the novel into a nasty tale of unredeemable evil").

Burgess wrote that the title came from an old Cockney expression "As queer as a clockwork orange." ¹ Due to his time serving the British Colonial Office in Malaya, Burgess thought that the phrase could be used to punningly refer to a mechanically responsive (clockwork) non-human (orang, Malay for "person"). The Italian title, "Un'Arancia ad Orologeria" was interpreted to refer to a grenade. Burgess wrote in his later introduction, "A Clockwork Orange Resucked," that a creature who can only perform good or evil is "a clockwork orange—meaning that he has the appearance of an organism lovely with colour and juice but is in fact only a clockwork toy to be wound up by God or the Devil."
In my opinion, good science fiction has to deal with hardhitting themes and address important societal issues. A Clockwork Orange does that, particularly with respect to:* Free will - "More than anything, Burgess believed that “the freedom to choose is the big human attribute,” meaning that the presence of moral choice ultimately distinguishes human beings from machines or lower animals. This belief provides the central argument of A Clockwork Orange, where Alex asserts his free will by choosing a course of wickedness, only to be subsequently robbed of his self-determination by the government. In making Alex—a criminal guilty of violence, rape, and theft—the hero of the novel, Burgess argues that humanity must, at all costs, insist that individuals be allowed to make their own moral choices, even if that freedom results in depravity. When the State removes Alex’s power to choose his own moral course of action, Alex becomes nothing more than a thing. A human being’s legitimacy as a moral agent is predicated on the notion that good and evil exist as separate, equally valid choices. Without evil as a valid option, the choice to be good becomes nothing more than an empty, meaningless gesture."

* The Inherent Evil of Government - "Just as A Clockwork Orange champions free will, it deplores the institution of government, which systematically seeks to suppress the individual in favor of the collective, or the state. Alex articulates this notion when he contends, in Part One, Chapter 4, that modern history is the story of individuals fighting against large, repressive government “machines.” As we see in A Clockwork Orange, the State is prepared to employ any means necessary to ensure its survival. Using technological innovation, mass-market culture, and the threat of violence, among other strategies, the State seeks to control Alex and his fellow citizens, who are least dangerous when they are most predictable. The State also does not tolerate dissent. Once technology helps to clear its prisons by making hardened criminals harmless, the State begins incarcerating dissidents, like F. Alexander, who aim to rouse public opinion against it and thus threaten its stability."

* The Necessity of Commitment in Life - "Burgess saw apathy and neutrality as two of the greatest sins of postwar England, and these qualities abound in A Clockwork Orange. Burgess satirizes them heavily, especially in his depiction of Alex’s parents. Fearful of going outside and content to be lulled to sleep by a worldcast program, Alex’s parents exemplify what Burgess saw as the essentially torpid nature of middle-class citizens. Conversely, Burgess makes Alex, whose proactive dedication to the pursuit of pleasure causes great suffering, the hero of his novel. Alex himself seems disgusted by neutrality, which he sees as a function of “thingness,” or inhumanity."

Not to mention the creation of Nadsat, an "invented slang that incorporates mostly Russian and Cockney English, Alex uses nadsat to describe the world of A Clockwork Orange. Its initial effect is one of exclusion and alienation, as the reader actively deals with the foreignness of Alex’s speech. This effect is important because it keeps us removed from the intensely brutal violence that Alex perpetrates. Before we can evaluate Alex’s character, we must first come to identify with him on his terms: to “speak his language,” literally. In this way, Alex implicates us in the remorseless violence he commits throughout most of Part One, and we in turn develop sympathy for him as our narrator. In some sense, then, nadsat is a form of brainwashing—as we develop this new vocabulary, it subtly changes the ways we think about things. Nadsat shows the subtle, subliminal ways that language can control others. As the popular idiom of the teenager, nadsat seems to enter the collective consciousness on a subcultural level, a notion that hints at an undercurrent of burgeoning repression."

Also, the novel makes use of Classical Music:

"Classical music enters A Clockwork Orange on a number of levels. On the formal level, the structure of the novel is patterned after musical forms. The novel, which is divided into three parts of seven chapters each, assumes an ABA form, analogous to an operatic aria. Accordingly, Parts 1 and 3 are mirror images of each other, while Part Two is substantially different. The A sections both take place on the streets near Alex’s home and in a country cottage, while the B section takes place in a jail. The A sections begin with Alex asking himself “What’s it going to be then, eh?” The B section begins with the same question, but this time, the prison chaplain asks the question to Alex. The A sections identify Alex by name, while the B section identifies him by number. Additionally, the A sections, as mirror images of each other, feature inversions of the same plot. Whereas, in Part One, Alex preys on unwitting and unwilling victims, in Part Three those same victims wittingly and willingly prey on him. These formal symmetries help us to make comparisons as the thematic material develops over the course of the novel."
Simply an outstanding book. I strongly considered it here as a flex type choice or science fiction. The critique of socialism in it is incredible. It also raises the challenging question of whether it is righteous to take what makes one human (Alex's personality and desire to kill) in order to prevent these human desires from hurting society.Also, I hope you chose the original version with the last chapter in which Alex simply feels he no longer needs ultraviolence and "grows up". I disagreed strongly with the American version omitting this chapter as it says something strong about natural human youth.

 
Tough choice here.

Lots of directions I could go.

Give me a minute and I'll decide.
Don't take too long, apparently they like to speed up this draft by picking for you despite giving you your allotted time :P
 
If it gets back to me this afternoon (likely) this will come to a screeching halt because I have no more Rikishi picks and its the middle of the night over in Asia.

 
If it gets back to me this afternoon (likely) this will come to a screeching halt because I have no more Rikishi picks and its the middle of the night over in Asia.
We're only alloted 30 minutes now during the daytime, right?
 
Hate to go pop with so much classic stuff going off the board, but what can I say, I'm not as well read as most youse.

4.05 "The Jack Ryan Series" - Tom Clancy (duh)

As of the Spring of 1999, Tom Clancy has written nine books in the Jack Ryan series. They were released in the following order (Date indicates year published.):

The Hunt for Red October (1984)

Patriot Games (1987)

The Cardinal of the Kremlin (1988)

Clear and Present Danger (1989)

The Sum of All Fears (1991)

Without Remorse (1993)

Debt of Honor (1994)

Executive Orders (1996)

Rainbow Six (1998)

The books do not read in chronological order. Without Remorse occurs before any of the others, then Patriot Games, then The Hunt for Red October. These changes give a chronological order like this (with an approx date of occurance.):

Without Remorse (Early 1970's)

Patriot Games (Late 1970's)

The Hunt for Red October (Early 1980's)

The Cardinal of the Kremlin (Mid. 1980's)

Clear and Present Danger (Late 1980's)

The Sum of All Fears (Early 1990's)

Debt of Honor (Mid-Late 1990's)

Executive Orders (Immeadiatly After DoH)

Rainbow Six (Approx. 2 years later)

Without Remorse and Raindbow Six are not truely Jack Ryan books. Ryan appears in the first in a two-page cameo, and never in the second. However, both contain characters from the "Jack Ryan universe", and therefore are often considered Jack Ryan books.

Tom Clancy has been quick to inform readers that "John Patrick Ryan isn't dead yet."
 
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Tough choice here.

Lots of directions I could go.

Give me a minute and I'll decide.
Don't take too long, apparently they like to speed up this draft by picking for you despite giving you your allotted time :P
Sorry.I got interrupted by someone needing something from me at work.

The nerve . . .

:hot:

 
Hate to go pop with so much classic stuff going off the board, but what can I say, I'm not as well read as most youse.

4.05 "The Jack Ryan Series" - Tom Clancy (duh)
Not a bad choice at all. They are entertaining reads. A choice like this provides good balance as the brain can't be in overdrive all the time.
 
Tough choice here.

Lots of directions I could go.

Give me a minute and I'll decide.
Don't take too long, apparently they like to speed up this draft by picking for you despite giving you your allotted time :P
Sorry.I got interrupted by someone needing something from me at work.

The nerve . . .

:hot:
:lmao: Yeah my prof also decided to teach 5 minutes overtime. I almost walked out because I had this book draft, but then again I thought I had until 3:15.

 
Lots of goodwork being done in here. Gonna be tough choosing. I really like the nod to the classics. Good depth.

 
Hate to go pop with so much classic stuff going off the board, but what can I say, I'm not as well read as most youse.

4.05 "The Jack Ryan Series" - Tom Clancy (duh)
Not a bad choice at all. They are entertaining reads. A choice like this provides good balance as the brain can't be in overdrive all the time.
I like Tom Clancy's early works but some of the stuff that is printed with his name are pure garbage. The Jack Ryan Series is a top notch choice. My Favorite Clancy book is Red Storm Rising but it does not have Jack Ryan in it; my favorite with Jack Ryan would have to be The Cardinal of the Kremlin.
 
4.06 Walden by Henry David Thoreau - Non Fiction

WALDEN

Walden is neither a novel nor a true autobiography, but a social critique of the Western World, with each chapter heralding some aspect of humanity that needed to be either renounced or praised. Along with his critique of the civilized world, Thoreau examines other issues afflicting man in society, ranging from economy (the first chapter of the book) and reading to solitude and higher laws. He also takes time to talk about the experience at Walden Pond itself, commenting on the animals and the way people treated him for living there, using those experiences to bring out his philosophical positions. This extended commentary on nature has often been interpreted as a strong statement to the natural religion that transcendentalists like Thoreau and Emerson were preaching.

 
4.06 Walden by Henry David Thoreau - Non Fiction

WALDEN

Walden is neither a novel nor a true autobiography, but a social critique of the Western World, with each chapter heralding some aspect of humanity that needed to be either renounced or praised. Along with his critique of the civilized world, Thoreau examines other issues afflicting man in society, ranging from economy (the first chapter of the book) and reading to solitude and higher laws. He also takes time to talk about the experience at Walden Pond itself, commenting on the animals and the way people treated him for living there, using those experiences to bring out his philosophical positions. This extended commentary on nature has often been interpreted as a strong statement to the natural religion that transcendentalists like Thoreau and Emerson were preaching.
Nice pick, had this 4th on my list for non-fiction books. Certainly offers a nice critique of western culture. While I do not agree with him on a lot of stuff, it's certainly a great read. 1. Prince

2. Works of Plato

3. ?

4. Walden

 

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