The Chris Johnson Hype machine (2 Viewers)

[sho nuff]

So this isnt even a RBBC anymore right? Its safe to dump off Lendale now?

CJ is clearly going to get more touches than Lendale but I still wouldn't just dump him. Their carries were dead even yesterday and I know CJ left the game with cramps so that could have been a factor. Lendale still had 10 fantasy points at the end of the day, I recall several top backs that didn't sniff that.

Touches overall...maybe.More carries? Not really.Its one game people.And Lendale was in there late to keep wearing on the D and he will continue to get those carries and I would expect will get some earlier in the game too.I would see more of a 60/40 split on carries (in favor of White) with Johnson getting the receptions too.

did you watch the game? I find your statement hard to believe if you did. The difference between the two was night and day. It comes down to production and on that basis Johnson was EXTREMELY effective and White was ineffective. Forget carries/touches, etc. it's going to come down to how they produce on the field and after 1 game you've got a guy with a 6.2 ypc (and looked terrific doing it) vs. a guy with a 2.6 ypc (and looked very pedestrian as always) on the same number of carries.They would have lost the game if not for Johnson. I suspect the lionshare of White's carries will be mop up carries...

Yes...I watched the game.Yes, I watched the game last year and several others where Chris Brown looked better.Yet I have watched Jeff Fisher ball for years and know how they play football.Johnson will get his touches for sure...probably the same amount of "touches" but Lendale will get more carries than him on the year.And yes...White will get a ton of mop up carries...I said as much.

As a Titan's fan I can say with confidence you are wrong. The only way Lendale gets more touches is if Johnson gets hurt. Before Johnson went down he had 18 touches to Lendale's 9. Fisher Ball will use them both but Johnson will definitely be getting more than Lendale.

I have never said he would get more touches...I said carries.

 

[EBF]

I don't think you'll find many people who think LenDale White is an above average NFL back.

To me this situation is like Tiki/Dayne. The big question isn't whether or not Johnson is more dynamic than White. He is and we've known that for a long time. The big question is whether Johnson can completely phase out the bigger back and become a 300+ touch back. The answer to that question will determine his upside. If he can become a true starter then he has a very high ceiling. If not, he'll probably be more of a Dunn/Garner type. Those guys were solid players, but they lost a lot of carries to mediocre big backs (Duckett, Wheatley).

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Light Blue Jesus has entered the POTUS race as an Independent, and a Gallop poll conducted just last night shows the following:

LBJ 65%

McCain 20%

Obama 15%

 

[Banger]

I don't think you'll find many people who think LenDale White is an above average NFL back. To me this situation is like Tiki/Dayne. The big question isn't whether or not Johnson is more dynamic than White. He is and we've known that for a long time. The big question is whether Johnson can completely phase out the bigger back and become a 300+ touch back. The answer to that question will determine his upside. If he can become a true starter then he has a very high ceiling. If not, he'll probably be more of a Dunn/Garner type. Those guys were solid players, but they lost a lot of carries to mediocre big backs (Duckett, Wheatley).

He had 18 touches in Game 1 which over the course of a season extrapolates to 288 touches and he surely would have had 20+ touches if he hadn't cramped up. Whether he can hold up over the course of a season is the only question now since it appears he will certainly be given the opportunity. Essentially for 3 quarters he was the "true starter". He was on the field when the game began and out touched White 70-30 prior to the cramp. To me, that's a starter. Now of course staying healthy may be an issue but that's the same with any NFL rb.

 

[ceo3west]

He had 18 touches in Game 1 which over the course of a season extrapolates to 288 touches and he surely would have had 20+ touches if he hadn't cramped up. Whether he can hold up over the course of a season is the only question now since it appears he will certainly be given the opportunity. Essentially for 3 quarters he was the "true starter". He was on the field when the game began and out touched White 70-30 prior to the cramp. To me, that's a starter. Now of course staying healthy may be an issue but that's the same with any NFL rb.

Time will tell if he can handle that kind of workload, but if he can he's a lock for top 10.

 

[Banger]

He had 18 touches in Game 1 which over the course of a season extrapolates to 288 touches and he surely would have had 20+ touches if he hadn't cramped up. Whether he can hold up over the course of a season is the only question now since it appears he will certainly be given the opportunity. Essentially for 3 quarters he was the "true starter". He was on the field when the game began and out touched White 70-30 prior to the cramp. To me, that's a starter. Now of course staying healthy may be an issue but that's the same with any NFL rb.

Time will tell if he can handle that kind of workload, but if he can he's a lock for top 10.

Of course but like I said, I have those questions about a lot of backs including M. Barber and B. Jacobs (for different reasons). Getting the opportunity the most difficult part IMO and from what I saw on Sunday he's definitely going to get the opportunity.

 

[jcuadrado]

and what a juicy matchup next week....

 

[chicken]

and what a juicy matchup next week....

Agreed.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

and what a juicy matchup next week....

Agreed.

170-200 net yards and 2 scores.

 

[stbugs]

I bought into the hype in one league and got him pretty early (5th, I think, some keepers) and I really hope he can keep it up. The other league is almost all FBGs, so he went way early there, didn't have a shot. I need him in my starting lineup without Brady.

 

[Burning Sensation]

With Vince Young gone for 2-4 weeks, Chris Johnson's production should only get better. Kerry Collins should be able to keep defenses out of the box far better than VY because he's a much better vertical passer than Young. The tea leaves are really lining up nicely for CJ and a possible ROY season.

He did look good with the crutch (Young) in there and should be even better now. I will have to climb on this bandwagon now. The flat tire is out of the way.

There is going to be TREMENDOUS 2008 disappointment for a lot of you Chris Johnson owners.

FavreCo 2 weeks ago:

You Johnson hypers, make sure you keep starting him weekly as you settle in at the bottom of the standings.

This is our corn. You people are guests in our corn.FavreCo last month = Timothy Busfield: "You build a baseball field, and you sit here and stare at nothing."

FavreCo today: "When did these ballplayers get here."

 

[TheSoup]

Bump.

*fist pounds & explode it* to all my FBGs that stuck with him and started him Week 1. Cincinatti in Week 2 is a MUST START.

Chris Johnson started the game over LenDale?

What people fail to see, is that, Chris Johnson does EVERYTHING Lendale can do, but Johnson can do it all BETTER and he can do MORE things.

I had arguably my best draft ever. We held our keeper league draft on August 9th ,PPR, and in late rounds I drafted Chris Johnson, K. Smith, T. Hightower, De. Jackson, and Eddie Royal. All my leaguemates laughed at me when I made over half of my bench rookies (also have C. Perry, De. Williams,K. Walter D. Driver, and so on. We roster 19 players.), but look how many keeper potential guys I have.

Where's Switz? I wanna hear some Switzology on Johnson's big week 1.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Where's Switz?

Switz is underneath Felix Jones' desk.

 

[switz]

Where's Switz? I wanna hear some Switzology on Johnson's big week 1.

???? I drafted Johnson in two leagues....My only argument against CJ was that I thought he'd split time with Lendale more than he did. I said he had the possibility to become Westbrook.I love how pointing out that a player has flaws = hating a player. And I love someone coming in here trying to make a point that I was wrong, when I drafted that player, and never said he sucked.

 

[ceo3west]

Where's Switz? I wanna hear some Switzology on Johnson's big week 1.

???? I drafted Johnson in two leagues....My only argument against CJ was that I thought he'd split time with Lendale more than he did. I said he had the possibility to become Westbrook.I love how pointing out that a player has flaws = hating a player. And I love someone coming in here trying to make a point that I was wrong, when I drafted that player, and never said he sucked.

You might want to revise your sig. Barring injury, the projection by Todem is well within reach.

 

[Horses Mouth]

Where's Switz? I wanna hear some Switzology on Johnson's big week 1.

???? I drafted Johnson in two leagues....My only argument against CJ was that I thought he'd split time with Lendale more than he did. I said he had the possibility to become Westbrook.I love how pointing out that a player has flaws = hating a player. And I love someone coming in here trying to make a point that I was wrong, when I drafted that player, and never said he sucked.

Man Switz, these guys all look really deep in to your remarks. They must have this crazy screaming voice projected in their heads. I don't think I've ever seen you say anyone has sucked when they didn't or you had a valid reason to think they will.

 

[the rover]

When you post 53 times about a guy in the same thread, you're bound to get something right.

 

[switz]

Where's Switz? I wanna hear some Switzology on Johnson's big week 1.

???? I drafted Johnson in two leagues....My only argument against CJ was that I thought he'd split time with Lendale more than he did. I said he had the possibility to become Westbrook.I love how pointing out that a player has flaws = hating a player. And I love someone coming in here trying to make a point that I was wrong, when I drafted that player, and never said he sucked.

You might want to revise your sig. Barring injury, the projection by Todem is well within reach.

It may be... then Todem won't have to look up where he posted it, right?He's on pace for 2032 yards, 48 receptions, and 16 TDs... and next week he has a great matchup.

 

[TheSoup]

You were reading too much into it. I was serious. I really wanted to hear your thoughts. I know a lot of people just rag on you, but I was serious.

 

[BigTex]

With Vince Young gone for 2-4 weeks, Chris Johnson's production should only get better. Kerry Collins should be able to keep defenses out of the box far better than VY because he's a much better vertical passer than Young. The tea leaves are really lining up nicely for CJ and a possible ROY season.

He did look good with the crutch (Young) in there and should be even better now. I will have to climb on this bandwagon now. The flat tire is out of the way.

Welcome aboard, at least you finally got on.

 

[Magnum]

Without having to go through all the rhetoric and self back slapping in this thread........who got the start (Lendale or C. Johnson)?

 

[Black Label Society]

Without having to go through all the rhetoric and self back slapping in this thread........who got the start (Lendale or C. Johnson)?

Johnson

 

[Fodasme69]

Without having to go through all the rhetoric and self back slapping in this thread........who got the start (Lendale or C. Johnson)?

Christ Johnson.....uh I mean Light Blue Jesus.....oh crap...I mean CHRIS JOHNSON

 

[Banger]

Without having to go through all the rhetoric and self back slapping in this thread........who got the start (Lendale or C. Johnson)?

CJ. It was halfway through the first qtr before White got his 1st carry, then the begining of the 2nd until he got his next carry. Only had 3 in the 1st half...

 

[ceo3west]

Without having to go through all the rhetoric and self back slapping in this thread........who got the start (Lendale or C. Johnson)?

CJ. It was halfway through the first qtr before White got his 1st carry, then the begining of the 2nd until he got his next carry. Only had 3 in the 1st half...

And White would have barely touched the ball in the second half it not been for Johnson exiting with cramps.

 

[blackjack23]

Without having to go through all the rhetoric and self back slapping in this thread........who got the start (Lendale or C. Johnson)?

CJ. It was halfway through the first qtr before White got his 1st carry, then the begining of the 2nd until he got his next carry. Only had 3 in the 1st half...

And White would have barely touched the ball in the second half it not been for Johnson exiting with cramps.

Sorry but I really wouldnt wanna trust a PMSing RB on my roster.

 

[BigTex]

Where's Switz? I wanna hear some Switzology on Johnson's big week 1.

???? I drafted Johnson in two leagues....My only argument against CJ was that I thought he'd split time with Lendale more than he did. I said he had the possibility to become Westbrook.

I love how pointing out that a player has flaws = hating a player. And I love someone coming in here trying to make a point that I was wrong, when I drafted that player, and never said he sucked.

No, you never said "he sucked" what you said was:"With Chris Johnson, I just don't really see much power at all. He's light, doesn't really run through tackles, can't even push a guy 3 yards when hit. I like him a lot too in a PPR league. Seems like Reggie Bush lite to me, just faster."

and

"Bottom line is that of the highly drafted rookie RBs, Chris Johnson has the least leg drive. He's a speed back, not a power back, and that will limit his role in the NFL."

or

"Johnson will likely find his success in the NFL in the same way, a hybrid WR/RB who gets 500 rush yards, and 500 rec yards with 4-6 TDs. That's still pretty darn good."

and

"He will probably get a lot of reception, I won't argue with that but there's not way he gets the majority of carries. I don't care how fast he is, unless he has a hole like this past weekend, he goes down quickly. White may not be very good in your eyes, but he is the type of RB the Titans like, and they will run him into the ground."

You joined the mocking:

"Chris Johnson is so fast - when he's finished his career, Ray Rice will be beginning his "

or

"Yes, yes, yes, I know he had the 66 yard TD. But honestly, I've watched that play in slow motion over and over again, and I just don't see the hype."

this

"Most teams now share carries between a few RBs, but there are still guys who get 70-80% of the workload. I don't see Chris Johnson or Jammal Charles ever being one of those guys."

You said:

"That does happen... but some of the guys on these forums are pretty darn good at spotting talent. Look at Bloom and his hyping Marshall way way back, there was some guy who brought Boldin to everyone's attention before he blew up.

Those are different than a thread like this, since those guys weren't heralded rookies. It's when those guys speak that I listen."

or

"The only concern I have, is that Johnson I don't think could ever be an every down RB. He's a role player."

However, you did admit you were a fan:

"I'm a fan of Johnson, but he has some very definite weaknesses in his game. You'd be wise to listen to EBF on this one, if you want o disregard me."

Then you saw the light and hopped on the bandwagon:

"Well, I just bought into the Chris Johnson franchise - just took him at 1.07 in my dynasty rookie draft."

So you never said "he sucked" but until you drafted him you didn't exactly endorse him either.

It's like riding the bandwagon with one foot dangling off the side just incase it crashes.

 

[Geaux Cowboys]

So, I've had a theory that Vince Young makes quicker running backs better...one who can quickly find his running lane as a counter to the Vince Young lane that has to be manned by a LB. So...people are excited that Kerry Collins is around, but does that exactly make Chris Johnson better? I understand moving the chains more through the air, and MAYBE fewer turnovers and bad decisions...but it takes away that double running threat in the backfield that defenses have to account for. I LOVE the Bengals matchup this week, but I wonder if it's being hyped a bit too much taking this into consideration. As a CJ owner, I hope he destroys my theory, but I'm not sold that Kerry Collins handing him the ball will give him the space he could work with when VY handed him the ball, to create games like he did this past week.

 

[switz]

No, you never said "he sucked" what you said was:

"With Chris Johnson, I just don't really see much power at all. He's light, doesn't really run through tackles, can't even push a guy 3 yards when hit. I like him a lot too in a PPR league. Seems like Reggie Bush lite to me, just faster."

and

"Bottom line is that of the highly drafted rookie RBs, Chris Johnson has the least leg drive. He's a speed back, not a power back, and that will limit his role in the NFL."

or

"Johnson will likely find his success in the NFL in the same way, ahybrid WR/RB who gets 500 rush yards, and 500 rec yards with 4-6 TDs. That's still pretty darn good."

and

"He will probably get a lot of reception, I won't argue with that but there's not way he gets the majority of carries. I don't care how fast he is, unless he has a hole like this past weekend, he goes down quickly. White may not be very good in your eyes, but he is the type of RB the Titans like, and they will run him into the ground."

You joined the mocking: - yes, I mocked the hype... woo hoo

"Chris Johnson is so fast - when he's finished his career, Ray Rice will be beginning his "

or

"Yes, yes, yes, I know he had the 66 yard TD. But honestly, I've watched that play in slow motion over and over again, and I just don't see the hype."

this

"Most teams now share carries between a few RBs, but there are still guys who get 70-80% of the workload. I don't see Chris Johnson or Jammal Charles ever being one of those guys."

You said:

"That does happen... but some of the guys on these forums are pretty darn good at spotting talent. Look at Bloom and his hyping Marshall way way back, there was some guy who brought Boldin to everyone's attention before he blew up.

Those are different than a thread like this, since those guys weren't heralded rookies. It's when those guys speak that I listen."

or

"The only concern I have, is that Johnson I don't think could ever be an every down RB. He's a role player."

So, all the quotes show is that I didn't think he'd be a full time RB... nothing in the realm of him sucking at all. BTW, he still doesn't have a ton of power, and he got tripped up on a shoe string tackle during the game. His game DOES have weaknesses. However, as a number of those quotes show I did think he would be successful in the NFL, just not an every down RB.He and White split the carries 50-50. I know White got more once Johnson left with cramps, but still...

However, you did admit you were a fan:

"I'm a fan of Johnson, but he has some very definite weaknesses in his game. You'd be wise to listen to EBF on this one, if you want to disregard me."

Then you saw the light and hopped on the bandwagon:

"Well, I just bought into the Chris Johnson franchise - just took him at 1.07 in my dynasty rookie draft."

So you never said "he sucked" but until you drafted him you didn't exactly endorse him either.

It's like riding the bandwagon with one foot dangling off the side just incase it crashes.

No it's called having a balanced view of a player. I never advocated NOT drafting him. I didn't say he was bound to fail. However I also didn't buy into the hype that generated 23 pages. Even after week 1 he didn't have the best of all the rookie performances.

 

[Lobary]

Drafting Chris Johnson at 6.11 in my main money league could've been the best pick I've made in the last few years. I think I hit on one, boys.

Owning AD, Chris Johnson, and Felix Jones makes me smile inside. I think I'm stocked at RB and WR. If only I had a good QB.....

 

[Diamond]

So, I've had a theory that Vince Young makes quicker running backs better...one who can quickly find his running lane as a counter to the Vince Young lane that has to be manned by a LB. So...people are excited that Kerry Collins is around, but does that exactly make Chris Johnson better? I understand moving the chains more through the air, and MAYBE fewer turnovers and bad decisions...but it takes away that double running threat in the backfield that defenses have to account for. I LOVE the Bengals matchup this week, but I wonder if it's being hyped a bit too much taking this into consideration. As a CJ owner, I hope he destroys my theory, but I'm not sold that Kerry Collins handing him the ball will give him the space he could work with when VY handed him the ball, to create games like he did this past week.

I'd call it the Mike Vick factor. I think it's the reason Atlanta was consistently a top rushing team while Vick was there.I don't see Collins as an upgrade for CJ3, either. I am, however, hopeful it'll balance out via more opportunities.

 

[Sheriff66]

So, I've had a theory that Vince Young makes quicker running backs better...one who can quickly find his running lane as a counter to the Vince Young lane that has to be manned by a LB. So...people are excited that Kerry Collins is around, but does that exactly make Chris Johnson better? I understand moving the chains more through the air, and MAYBE fewer turnovers and bad decisions...but it takes away that double running threat in the backfield that defenses have to account for. I LOVE the Bengals matchup this week, but I wonder if it's being hyped a bit too much taking this into consideration. As a CJ owner, I hope he destroys my theory, but I'm not sold that Kerry Collins handing him the ball will give him the space he could work with when VY handed him the ball, to create games like he did this past week.

They will have to actually respect the pass, I think it does nothing but help.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Please switz go #### up a different thread..not this one. I lol at someone legitimately asking for your opinion and then you get all defensive. ####### classic.

And lets not ignore the complete ownage by BigTex. Kudos.

Back on track..

I'd expect to see LBJ in the Top 20 on the weekly RB cheatsheets, and see no reason not to get excited about him in Cincinatti this week.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

So, I've had a theory that Vince Young makes quicker running backs better...one who can quickly find his running lane as a counter to the Vince Young lane that has to be manned by a LB. So...people are excited that Kerry Collins is around, but does that exactly make Chris Johnson better? I understand moving the chains more through the air, and MAYBE fewer turnovers and bad decisions...but it takes away that double running threat in the backfield that defenses have to account for. I LOVE the Bengals matchup this week, but I wonder if it's being hyped a bit too much taking this into consideration. As a CJ owner, I hope he destroys my theory, but I'm not sold that Kerry Collins handing him the ball will give him the space he could work with when VY handed him the ball, to create games like he did this past week.

I've heard the theory with Vick & the Falcons, and it made a lot of sense to me then. However:Vince Young = one rush for four yards against the Jags. I watched that game. Young was not close to being a factor as a runner, and he was never even a threat despite having multiple opportunities to tuck & run for a much-needed third down conversion.Chris Johnson was ridiculously productive as the only thing working on the Titans offense for three and a half quarters. Vince Young's running ability was a complete non-factor in Johnson's production against the Jags.

 

[stbugs]

So, I've had a theory that Vince Young makes quicker running backs better...one who can quickly find his running lane as a counter to the Vince Young lane that has to be manned by a LB. So...people are excited that Kerry Collins is around, but does that exactly make Chris Johnson better? I understand moving the chains more through the air, and MAYBE fewer turnovers and bad decisions...but it takes away that double running threat in the backfield that defenses have to account for. I LOVE the Bengals matchup this week, but I wonder if it's being hyped a bit too much taking this into consideration. As a CJ owner, I hope he destroys my theory, but I'm not sold that Kerry Collins handing him the ball will give him the space he could work with when VY handed him the ball, to create games like he did this past week.

I'd call it the Mike Vick factor. I think it's the reason Atlanta was consistently a top rushing team while Vick was there.I don't see Collins as an upgrade for CJ3, either. I am, however, hopeful it'll balance out via more opportunities.

Did you see this week with Matt Ryan at QB? May be one of Atlanta's best running weeks ever. I know Detroit sucks, but I think a QB that can throw the ball downfield keeps the safeties honest and thus creates more chances of breaking long runs (i.e. get by the linebacker and you are already 10-15 yards downfield before the safeties get there).Atlanta was a top rushing team because of Vick, I don't think it made the RBs better. To be honest, a running QB should be able to make the passing game better if they can throw (i.e. Steve Young, Elway, etc.) because the LBs/S/CBs in coverage have to pay a little more attention to the QB getting downfield. Look at Aaron Rodgers last night, Minny has one of the best D-lines, yet he ate them up because of his mobility. A running QB with no passing ability means the safeties cheat up and that to me hurts the running game. The running totals look better because the scrambling adds a lot of yardage that a Manning/Brady don't get.Just my 2 cents, but I think Manning/Brady/Palmer/etc. have a lot more affect on their RBs being better than they actually are versus Vick/Young.

 

[stbugs]

So, I've had a theory that Vince Young makes quicker running backs better...one who can quickly find his running lane as a counter to the Vince Young lane that has to be manned by a LB. So...people are excited that Kerry Collins is around, but does that exactly make Chris Johnson better? I understand moving the chains more through the air, and MAYBE fewer turnovers and bad decisions...but it takes away that double running threat in the backfield that defenses have to account for. I LOVE the Bengals matchup this week, but I wonder if it's being hyped a bit too much taking this into consideration. As a CJ owner, I hope he destroys my theory, but I'm not sold that Kerry Collins handing him the ball will give him the space he could work with when VY handed him the ball, to create games like he did this past week.

They will have to actually respect the pass, I think it does nothing but help.

How can having more defenders cheat farther away from the line of scrimmage hurt the running game? I don't agree with the Vick factor. I think his own 900 yards rushing vs. the 50-100 for a non-mobile QB is the reason why Atlanta's running game looked dominant, not the fact that the defense didn't respect the pass. I understand that the defense pays attention to Vick/Young as a runner more, but I think the fact that they ignore the passing game outweighs the running QB benefit.The NFL is all about scoring, so would you rather defend a guy who passes for 4000 yards or a guy who throws for 2000 and runs for 1000? I think the extra 1000 yards will put up more points year after year. We have seen prolific passing years equate to the highest scoring offenses in history (Manning, Brady, Culpepper, Warner, etc.), but I don't recall any poor passing teams with wonderful running QBs come anywhere close to those offenses.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

A KFFL email update said that he has an undisclosed injury with status unknown.

 

[FUBAR]

So, I've had a theory that Vince Young makes quicker running backs better...one who can quickly find his running lane as a counter to the Vince Young lane that has to be manned by a LB. So...people are excited that Kerry Collins is around, but does that exactly make Chris Johnson better? I understand moving the chains more through the air, and MAYBE fewer turnovers and bad decisions...but it takes away that double running threat in the backfield that defenses have to account for. I LOVE the Bengals matchup this week, but I wonder if it's being hyped a bit too much taking this into consideration. As a CJ owner, I hope he destroys my theory, but I'm not sold that Kerry Collins handing him the ball will give him the space he could work with when VY handed him the ball, to create games like he did this past week.

They will have to actually respect the pass, I think it does nothing but help.

How can having more defenders cheat farther away from the line of scrimmage hurt the running game? I don't agree with the Vick factor. I think his own 900 yards rushing vs. the 50-100 for a non-mobile QB is the reason why Atlanta's running game looked dominant, not the fact that the defense didn't respect the pass. I understand that the defense pays attention to Vick/Young as a runner more, but I think the fact that they ignore the passing game outweighs the running QB benefit.The NFL is all about scoring, so would you rather defend a guy who passes for 4000 yards or a guy who throws for 2000 and runs for 1000? I think the extra 1000 yards will put up more points year after year. We have seen prolific passing years equate to the highest scoring offenses in history (Manning, Brady, Culpepper, Warner, etc.), but I don't recall any poor passing teams with wonderful running QBs come anywhere close to those offenses.

I assume you're not suggesting Collins could hit 4,000 yards.

 

[FUBAR]

"Johnson will likely find his success in the NFL in the same way, ahybrid WR/RB who gets 500 rush yards, and 500 rec yards with 4-6 TDs. That's still pretty darn good."

His game DOES have weaknesses. However, as a number of those quotes show I did think he would be successful in the NFL, just not an every down RB.

You're way off on the projection, and what player doesn't have A weakness? Maybe LT?

 

[switz]

Please switz go #### up a different thread..not this one. I lol at someone legitimately asking for your opinion and then you get all defensive. ####### classic.And lets not ignore the complete ownage by BigTex. Kudos.

Oh gimme a break ebonicman, Big Tex did nothing anywhere near own me. In fact he quoted a lot of my posts where I said Johnson would be successful. LOL at that = ownage.

Back on track.. I'd expect to see LBJ in the Top 20 on the weekly RB cheatsheets, and see no reason not to get excited about him in Cincinatti this week.

I agree, CIN is a great matchup. But then again, I'd already posted that.

 

[switz]

"Johnson will likely find his success in the NFL in the same way, ahybrid WR/RB who gets 500 rush yards, and 500 rec yards with 4-6 TDs. That's still pretty darn good."

His game DOES have weaknesses. However, as a number of those quotes show I did think he would be successful in the NFL, just not an every down RB.

You're way off on the projection, and what player doesn't have A weakness? Maybe LT?

Agreed, so far. I really didn't see the Titans giving him as many carries as they did.

 

[sho nuff]

Without having to go through all the rhetoric and self back slapping in this thread........who got the start (Lendale or C. Johnson)?

CJ. It was halfway through the first qtr before White got his 1st carry, then the begining of the 2nd until he got his next carry. Only had 3 in the 1st half...

And White would have barely touched the ball in the second half it not been for Johnson exiting with cramps.

Pure speculation on your part.White may very well have been in there because of his knack for just keeping up wearing down a D, especially late and trying to grind out first downs and take up clock.

 

[Diamond]

I've heard the theory with Vick & the Falcons, and it made a lot of sense to me then. However:Vince Young = one rush for four yards against the Jags. I watched that game. Young was not close to being a factor as a runner, and he was never even a threat despite having multiple opportunities to tuck & run for a much-needed third down conversion.Chris Johnson was ridiculously productive as the only thing working on the Titans offense for three and a half quarters. Vince Young's running ability was a complete non-factor in Johnson's production against the Jags.

I see your point. But wouldn't the Jags have game planned for Young on the basis that he would be a rushing threat. It didn't play out that way, but the schemes that they used would have been impacted by it.

 

[Geaux Cowboys]

So, I've had a theory that Vince Young makes quicker running backs better...one who can quickly find his running lane as a counter to the Vince Young lane that has to be manned by a LB. So...people are excited that Kerry Collins is around, but does that exactly make Chris Johnson better? I understand moving the chains more through the air, and MAYBE fewer turnovers and bad decisions...but it takes away that double running threat in the backfield that defenses have to account for. I LOVE the Bengals matchup this week, but I wonder if it's being hyped a bit too much taking this into consideration. As a CJ owner, I hope he destroys my theory, but I'm not sold that Kerry Collins handing him the ball will give him the space he could work with when VY handed him the ball, to create games like he did this past week.

They will have to actually respect the pass, I think it does nothing but help.

How can having more defenders cheat farther away from the line of scrimmage hurt the running game? I don't agree with the Vick factor. I think his own 900 yards rushing vs. the 50-100 for a non-mobile QB is the reason why Atlanta's running game looked dominant, not the fact that the defense didn't respect the pass. I understand that the defense pays attention to Vick/Young as a runner more, but I think the fact that they ignore the passing game outweighs the running QB benefit.The NFL is all about scoring, so would you rather defend a guy who passes for 4000 yards or a guy who throws for 2000 and runs for 1000? I think the extra 1000 yards will put up more points year after year. We have seen prolific passing years equate to the highest scoring offenses in history (Manning, Brady, Culpepper, Warner, etc.), but I don't recall any poor passing teams with wonderful running QBs come anywhere close to those offenses.

Is it possible that teams don't crowd the box against a Vince Young? Due to the fact that they don't want to apply too much pressure that he can typically pretty easily escape and break big plays? They stay back, play vanilla, let a team run on them some, but don't allow the big homerun breakout of the pocket from VY??? Just another thought.

 

[notdarkyet]

I need to start him this week somehow. Too much RB talent for my starting slots.

If the Bengals D comes out like they did last week, we are looking at Bo Jackson Tecmo Super Bowl stats.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I see your point. But wouldn't the Jags have game planned for Young on the basis that he would be a rushing threat. It didn't play out that way, but the schemes that they used would have been impacted by it.

I'm skeptical of that. If you get a chance to watch the game, I think you'll find that Johnson's production had nothing to do with Vince Young.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Checking out Michael Lombardi's daily blog at the National Football Post and noticed some more high praise:

Chris Johnson is going to be the next Marshall Faulk and all those pundits (Jaime Dukes do you like him now?) who ripped the pick might want to go back and re-evaluate.

The next Marshall Faulk? Yeah, that's right.

 

[jagbag]

A KFFL email update said that he has an undisclosed injury with status unknown.

According to others, he came back in to finish the game, no ?

 

[grouse]

You can't be the 'Next Marshall Faulk' unless your coach has fully bought into the idea...

"You saw this afternoon that he can carry it inside and outside, he can catch out of the backfield, he can handle screens," Titans head coach Jeff Fisher said. "I wouldn't hesitate to give him the ball in short yardage situations because he's so quick. He's a complete back. Obviously he's a little bit undersized (5-11, 200) but he makes up for it with good speed."

Poor Lendale.

 

[EBF]

Checking out Michael Lombardi's daily blog at the National Football Post and noticed some more high praise:

Chris Johnson is going to be the next Marshall Faulk and all those pundits (Jaime Dukes do you like him now?) who ripped the pick might want to go back and re-evaluate.

The next Marshall Faulk? Yeah, that's right.