The Colts will smoke the Pats this week! (1 Viewer)

[pizzatyme]

As great as Belichick is, he just doesn't have the weapons on either side of the ball to take down the Colts this year.

I know there will be a major flaming headed my way before this game, but I can take it.

The Colts offense is now clicking on all cylinders. The Pats offense isn't scaring anyone these days.

The only chance I give them is if they dig ruts every 3 yards about 6" deep on the field. Or maybe map out and lay down some land mines. Since the NFL allows them to make a mockery of the league with their terrible field conditions, I think this is very possible.

The Pats get exposed this week. They're in a weak division, with Arena league WRs, and an aging but good D with above average DBs.

Colts 31-17. Let the flames begin...

 

[Irish]

As great as Belichick is, he just doesn't have the weapons on either side of the ball to take down the Colts this year.I know there will be a major flaming headed my way before this game, but I can take it.The Colts offense is now clicking on all cylinders. The Pats offense isn't scaring anyone these days.The only chance I give them is if they dig ruts every 3 yards about 6" deep on the field. Or maybe map out and lay down some land mines. Since the NFL allows them to make a mockery of the league with their terrible field conditions, I think this is very possible.The Pats get exposed this week. They're in a weak division, with Arena league WRs, and an aging but good D with above average DBs.Colts 31-17. Let the flames begin...

I think the biggest reason to take Colts over Pats is that Vinaterri now kicks for the Colts.

 

[popeye]

You don't tug on Superman's cape

You don't spit into the wind

You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger

And you don't mess around with Belichick, da do da do...

 

[djcolts]

I'm glad you are optimistic on this one, pizzatyme. I honestly see a Pats win next Sunday. Colts can't stop the run and Gillette Field will be a mess - which means big advantage for the Pats. I really hope I'm wrong.

 

[Serenity Now]

Dj, you do know they just replaced the turf at Gillette, right? Unfortunately, they changed it right before we got a gazillion inches of rain and also a Revs playoff game...but it has to be better than the dirt they were on before.

It could be pretty interesting seeing the Pats running game vs. the Colts weak run D, alongside the Colts passing game vs. the Pats patchwork secondary.

 

[djcolts]

Dj, you do know they just replaced the turf at Gillette, right? Unfortunately, they changed it right before we got a gazillion inches of rain and also a Revs playoff game...but it has to be better than the dirt they were on before.It could be pretty interesting seeing the Pats running game vs. the Colts weak run D, alongside the Colts passing game vs. the Pats patchwork secondary.

There's a Pats fan on the Indystar.com Colts forum saying how much of a mess the field conditions will be. He might have been saying that to torture Colts fans, so I guess it worked on me. It isn't just the Pats run game that I"m concerned about, The Colts have NEVER stopped Brady. Ever. Even in the Colts win against the Pats "B Team" last year they didn't stop Brady. And Brady will get tons of passing opportunites with the Colts having to put 8 in the box most of the game next week. The Colts needs to score a TON to win.

 

[pizzatyme]

Dj, you do know they just replaced the turf at Gillette, right? Unfortunately, they changed it right before we got a gazillion inches of rain and also a Revs playoff game...but it has to be better than the dirt they were on before.It could be pretty interesting seeing the Pats running game vs. the Colts weak run D, alongside the Colts passing game vs. the Pats patchwork secondary.

I think it'll look alot like what we just saw in Denver. Plummer had about as good a game as he could have. Will Brady be that much better than Jake?And the broncos ran about as well as they could have. Will NE be that much better?And the Denver D has Champ to cover Harrison. Do the Pats have better?Plus, Denver stomped the Pats earlier in the year.I'm starting to think my call on the score was too close of a margin of victory for the Colts.Edit for spelling.

 

[Kyzersosik]

When is that game, oh November that`s right. Well then the Colts will probabley win a close one.

 

[pizzatyme]

When is that game, oh November that`s right. Well then the Colts will probabley win a close one.

That schtick never gets old for some of you, does it?

 

[BGP]

As great as Belichick is, he just doesn't have the weapons on either side of the ball to take down the Colts this year.I know there will be a major flaming headed my way before this game, but I can take it.The Colts offense is now clicking on all cylinders. The Pats offense isn't scaring anyone these days.The only chance I give them is if they dig ruts every 3 yards about 6" deep on the field. Or maybe map out and lay down some land mines. Since the NFL allows them to make a mockery of the league with their terrible field conditions, I think this is very possible.The Pats get exposed this week. They're in a weak division, with Arena league WRs, and an aging but good D with above average DBs.Colts 31-17. Let the flames begin...

I don't think anyone ever accused the Patriots of having the best talent. In 2001, they lost Bledsoe and had no running game, so how could they win it all? In 2003, they lost Milloy was it? In 2004, they were so thin in the secondary they were using WR Troy Brown? Who wins super bowls like that?The Patriots have always been about being the best team, and no moment illustrated that better than when they opted to forgo the traditional individual introductions to open their super bowl win over the Rams and all run out on the field together.And its also been about having a masterful head coach. Belichick has proven he can coach up a team to play beyond the sum of its parts.We've learned to stop judging a Belichick team by the talent we think it has (or lacks). Maybe that is extremely frustrating to a fantasy crowd that, by its nature, is predicated on trying to evaluate individual talent. Maybe that's like living on Mars. But its the truth.

 

[pizzatyme]

As great as Belichick is, he just doesn't have the weapons on either side of the ball to take down the Colts this year.I know there will be a major flaming headed my way before this game, but I can take it.The Colts offense is now clicking on all cylinders. The Pats offense isn't scaring anyone these days.The only chance I give them is if they dig ruts every 3 yards about 6" deep on the field. Or maybe map out and lay down some land mines. Since the NFL allows them to make a mockery of the league with their terrible field conditions, I think this is very possible.The Pats get exposed this week. They're in a weak division, with Arena league WRs, and an aging but good D with above average DBs.Colts 31-17. Let the flames begin...

I don't think anyone ever accused the Patriots of having the best talent. In 2001, they lost Bledsoe and had no running game, so how could they win it all? In 2003, they lost Milloy was it? In 2004, they were so thin in the secondary they were using WR Troy Brown? Who wins super bowls like that?The Patriots have always been about being the best team, and no moment illustrated that better than when they opted to forgo the traditional individual introductions to open their super bowl win over the Rams and all run out on the field together.And its also been about having a masterful head coach. Belichick has proven he can coach up a team to play beyond the sum of its parts.We've learned to stop judging a Belichick team by the talent we think it has (or lacks). Maybe that is extremely frustrating to a fantasy crowd that, by its nature, is predicated on trying to evaluate individual talent. Maybe that's like living on Mars. But its the truth.

I'm not arguing the fact that Belichick is a great coach! I gave him his props. All I am saying is that he HAS had a more talented team in the past IMO. Just because we the public didn't give their talent enough due, doesn't mean they weren't talented. I think they have lost some of that talent to the point that they are an above average team in a weak division with a great QB and coach.IMO, this isn't enough to top a great offensive team, with an equally great QB.I think Belichick finds a way to keep it close early, just like the Broncos did, but the Colts win going away in the 2nd half.You can only rest on your past success for so long.

 

[Boston]

Gott chuckle at this post. The Colts are a very good team and could definetly win this game. Yet, the thinking about why it will happen is incredibly consistent with every single Patriot/Colt matchup in recent history. It's like a broken record.

 

[nygiants56]

I'm glad you are optimistic on this one, pizzatyme. I honestly see a Pats win next Sunday. Colts can't stop the run and Gillette Field will be a mess - which means big advantage for the Pats. I really hope I'm wrong.

Tony Dungy + Manning + Gillette Field = PATRIOTS victory.Dungy can't win a big game, Manning can't win in NE, and the PATS fans are nuts in big games like this!

 

[Kyzersosik]

You started a thread with, "The Colts will Smoke the Pats This Week". And said let the flaming begin. When I said the Colts will probabley win a close one because the game is in Nov., that was "schtick". Well the real schtick is the usual assortment of reasons the Colts fans give when they don`t win a big game. It was the Refs, the field, the league, the weather....... Whatever it is, the real reason the Colts haven`t won a big game is because Tony Dungy and his braintrust off the field and P Manning and all his Off. weapons on the field have been unable to make adjustments! Their last 3 playoff losses, Pats-Pats-Steelers have shown this as their glaring weakness. Pitt game the latest and most obvious example. The Steelers ran the same blitz packages over and over waiting for the Colts to make an, any, on field adjustments. They never did. Yes the Colts are scoring a boatload of points as usual. But give me, what was it, an aging def arena league Wr`s etc. and the best coaching staff/ QB in the league anytime. Lastly as far as "you can only rest on your past glory for so long" the Pats do none of that. In fact this league is set up for the exact opposite.

 

[djcolts]

I'm glad you are optimistic on this one, pizzatyme. I honestly see a Pats win next Sunday. Colts can't stop the run and Gillette Field will be a mess - which means big advantage for the Pats. I really hope I'm wrong.

Tony Dungy + Manning + Gillette Field = PATRIOTS victory.Dungy can't win a big game, Manning can't win in NE, and the PATS fans are nuts in big games like this!

Why did you pick MY quote to reply with your "insight"?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Well this has the makings of an entertaining thread for the week....I definitely think the Colts could smoke the Pats in the upcoming regular season game, but...

I think it'll look alot like what we just saw in Denver. Plummer had about as good a game as he could have. Will Brady be that much better than Jake?

That's pretty much a given.

And the broncos ran about as well as they could have. Will NE be that much better?

If by better, you mean can they execute a more balanced attack, I'd say yes.

And the Denver D has Champ to cover Harrison. Do the Pats have better?

A better question might be is it likely that the Pats will let Wayne score 3 TDs?

Plus, Denver stomped the Pats earlier in the year.

If by stomping you mean the Pats gave up two bombs to Walker and didn't have their passing game up to speed, then yes it was a stomping.

I'm starting to think my call on the score was too close of a margin of victory for the Colts.

Perhaps. I'm more than curious to see what happens. I'll just note for the record that the Pats secondary and the linebacking corps are in much better shape than during last year's contest and Edge ain't around anymore. Personally, I'm hoping for a Pats blowout, because there is absolutely nothing in the world funnier than watching Peyton pi$$ and moan when the Colts get blown out, with the possible exception of Bill Polian randomly assaulting people.

 

[Mahoney]

As great as Belichick is, he just doesn't have the weapons on either side of the ball to take down the Colts this year.I know there will be a major flaming headed my way before this game, but I can take it.The Colts offense is now clicking on all cylinders. The Pats offense isn't scaring anyone these days.The only chance I give them is if they dig ruts every 3 yards about 6" deep on the field. Or maybe map out and lay down some land mines. Since the NFL allows them to make a mockery of the league with their terrible field conditions, I think this is very possible.The Pats get exposed this week. They're in a weak division, with Arena league WRs, and an aging but good D with above average DBs.Colts 31-17. Let the flames begin...

Great argument. Its been the exact same one every time the two teams have squared off for the last 5 years.

 

[djcolts]

The only thing I ask from Pats fans here is if the Colts do win, we don't see one post that says that the Colts didn't beat the "real Patriots." I'm easy to please - that's all I ask.

 

[PatsWillWin]

The Colts look like the 2003 Colts - crappy defense that can't stop the run being carried by the offense. That formula has never worked against the Patriots.

As a Pats fan, I'm not oozing with confidence about the match up, but I think to say that the Colts will "smoke" the Patriots is optimistic considering that this is a team with a defense that just made Jake Plummer and Make Bell the hottest WW pickups in fantasy.

Minnesota first - I'll be back tomorrow.

 

[Whizzinator]

The Pats are a tough matchup for Indy because they should be able to dominate the lines and run the ball.

But the Pats worry about January, not November, and defensively they are going to be pretty vanilla for a regular season matchup with a likely playoff team. So if the Pats win here, it's a pretty bad sign for Indy. But if Indy wins (like they did last year, in a blowout) it isn't clear what it tells us.

One thing to remember is that both teams are going to evolve a bit more...the Pats' passing game come January is going to be a lot smoother than it is now, and the Colts will have McFarland fully integrated.

Should be a fun game.

 

[Winston Wolfe]

and an aging but good D with above average DBs.

Here are the ages for the starters for the Patriots D27 Seymour25 Wilfork25 Warren33 Bruschi31 Vrabel29 Colvin37 Seau25 Wilson34 Harrison25 Samuels23 HobbsHardly aging. If you were to say that their linebackers are aging, then I would agree.

 

[Steeler]

I didn't read the thread so forgive me if this has already been posted.... I don't really care who wins, but hope the game comes down to a Vinateri kick at the end of regulation with Indy down by 1 or 2.

 

[Joe Bryant]

You don't tug on Superman's capeYou don't spit into the windYou don't pull the mask off the old Lone RangerAnd you don't mess around with Belichick, da do da do...

J

 

[zoonation]

When is that game, oh November that`s right. Well then the Colts will probabley win a close one.

That schtick never gets old for some of you, does it?

Tough to get old when it happens year, after year, after year.

 

[Joe Bryant]

People are still glossing over the HUGE flaw for the Colts. They absolutely cannot stop the run. Unless that is fixed, they won't go far.

Manning can only do so much.

J

 

[JohnnyU]

People are still glossing over the HUGE flaw for the Colts. They absolutely cannot stop the run. Unless that is fixed, they won't go far.Manning can only do so much.J

Visions of Eddie George and Lamar Smith are dancing vividly in my head.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Does everyone picking the Pats forget that last year in week 9 the Pats got blown out at home against Indy? Deja vu anyone?

 

[Kit Fisto]

Does everyone picking the Pats forget that last year in week 9 the Pats got blown out at home against Indy? Deja vu anyone?

Go ahead, keep hanging your hat on that one game.If we're gonna use past performances to determine the outcome of this game, it ain't even close. I recall a few games in which the Patriots won.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Does everyone picking the Pats forget that last year in week 9 the Pats got blown out at home against Indy? Deja vu anyone?

Go ahead, keep hanging your hat on that one game.If we're gonna use past performances to determine the outcome of this game, it ain't even close. I recall a few games in which the Patriots won.

You don't think the most recent game is the most important, especially considering it's at the same location?

 

[Whizzinator]

Not as much when you consider the state of the Pats last year at that time, no.

It certainly is possible Indy dominates again; it's at least as likely that the other games provide the best blueprint, though. Indy's D is a good bit weaker than it was for that game, and the Pats is noticeably healthier. Thus....

 

[Chase Stuart]

Not as much when you consider the state of the Pats last year at that time, no.It certainly is possible Indy dominates again; it's at least as likely that the other games provide the best blueprint, though. Indy's D is a good bit weaker than it was for that game, and the Pats is noticeably healthier. Thus....

Fair enough. There's been lots of turnover on both teams since that game, and obviously even more since the playoff games.

 

[Ham Wallet]

I'll go with history and Mannings record at Foxboro is

BTW, the Pats resodded the field so the Colts can't cry about that being the reason they got rolled in the Razor

 

[PahtyTom]

As a lifelong Pats homer I see it going down like this...

We probably lose to a very good Minnesota team tonight on the road on MNF....

Then next week we look unbeatable when Brady, Dillon, and Maroney are unstoppable and our defense and weather causes Peyton trouble all night.

 

[rifkin]

I haven't really seen the Pats play this year but if they can get pressure on Manning with their front 4 they are in much better shape than Denver and it's so-called vaunted D. Denver's D is a fraud because they can't pressure the QB with their line. That IMO is the key to the game.

 

[pizzatyme]

and an aging but good D with above average DBs.

Here are the ages for the starters for the Patriots D27 Seymour25 Wilfork25 Warren33 Bruschi31 Vrabel29 Colvin37 Seau25 Wilson34 Harrison25 Samuels23 HobbsHardly aging. If you were to say that their linebackers are aging, then I would agree.

Considering most would probably say that the Pats LBs are the core of their defense, yeah, I guess I'm talking about the LBs.

 

[tombonneau]

I certainly don't think Indy smokes NE. One of the keys is going to be the health of Dan Graham. In the past, he has been extremely useful vs. Freeney as he always neutralizes him chipping at the line. If he is not available and Freeney is one-on-one vs. Matt Light and gets pressure on Brady, Pats could be in trouble.

But I'd be real worried if I was Indy about Maroney-Dillon vs. that horrible run D. If Pats can control TOP with the ground game I think they walk away with a W.

 

[davper]

People are still glossing over the HUGE flaw for the Colts. They absolutely cannot stop the run. Unless that is fixed, they won't go far.Manning can only do so much.J

This will be the case that proves that a good defense is a good offense. The pats running game will keep Manning off the field.Boy, do I hope the Pats are underdogs here..

 

[Kit Fisto]

and an aging but good D with above average DBs.

Here are the ages for the starters for the Patriots D27 Seymour25 Wilfork25 Warren33 Bruschi31 Vrabel29 Colvin37 Seau25 Wilson34 Harrison25 Samuels23 HobbsHardly aging. If you were to say that their linebackers are aging, then I would agree.

Considering most would probably say that the Pats LBs are the core of their defense, yeah, I guess I'm talking about the LBs.

I'd call Seymour-Warren-Wilfork-Green the core of our D. They make it all work.

 

[Ham Wallet]

Uhoh looks like Bill B may be distracted this week

 

[davper]

Does everyone picking the Pats forget that last year in week 9 the Pats got blown out at home against Indy? Deja vu anyone?

You are right and you can't win them all. But as long as you win the most important games, that is all that matters.The Pats loosing to Indy will not affect their playoff bound journey. So who would you pick to win in the playoffs, knowing that Manning/Dungy has failed year after year?I would rather have this conversation in January when it will have meaning.

 

[davper]

Uhoh looks like Bill B may be distracted this week

Hardly

 

[Whizzinator]

BB's wife might be busy dealing with the kid, but I'll bet he's completely undistracted.

Of course, the kid is also off the Pats 2011 draft board now, too.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Does everyone picking the Pats forget that last year in week 9 the Pats got blown out at home against Indy? Deja vu anyone?

You are right and you can't win them all. But as long as you win the most important games, that is all that matters.The Pats loosing to Indy will not affect their playoff bound journey. So who would you pick to win in the playoffs, knowing that Manning/Dungy has failed year after year?I would rather have this conversation in January when it will have meaning.

Another year, another round of Colts fans putting the cart before the horse.

 

[djcolts]

Does everyone picking the Pats forget that last year in week 9 the Pats got blown out at home against Indy? Deja vu anyone?

You are right and you can't win them all. But as long as you win the most important games, that is all that matters.The Pats loosing to Indy will not affect their playoff bound journey. So who would you pick to win in the playoffs, knowing that Manning/Dungy has failed year after year?I would rather have this conversation in January when it will have meaning.

Another year, another round of Colts fans putting the cart before the horse.

How many is in a "Round"? One? Five? Ten?

 

[pizzatyme]

Does everyone picking the Pats forget that last year in week 9 the Pats got blown out at home against Indy? Deja vu anyone?

You are right and you can't win them all. But as long as you win the most important games, that is all that matters.The Pats loosing to Indy will not affect their playoff bound journey. So who would you pick to win in the playoffs, knowing that Manning/Dungy has failed year after year?I would rather have this conversation in January when it will have meaning.

Another year, another round of Colts fans putting the cart before the horse.

What do you mean? It's just not possible for a fan of any team other than the Pats to think his team will win in a given weekend? Or, is it just not okay with you if such fan discusses their thoughts on this board?Or is it that it is only okay to have a conversation only after the game has been played?Better yet, it must only be okay for fans to chat on these boards if their team has won a Superbowl?Please explain what putting the cart before the horse means to you?TIA

 

[Ham Wallet]

BB's wife might be busy dealing with the kid, but I'll bet he's completely undistracted.Of course, the kid is also off the Pats 2011 draft board now, too.

Ironic with this thread title isn't it?

 

[Kit Fisto]

Does everyone picking the Pats forget that last year in week 9 the Pats got blown out at home against Indy? Deja vu anyone?

You are right and you can't win them all. But as long as you win the most important games, that is all that matters.The Pats loosing to Indy will not affect their playoff bound journey. So who would you pick to win in the playoffs, knowing that Manning/Dungy has failed year after year?

I would rather have this conversation in January when it will have meaning.

Another year, another round of Colts fans putting the cart before the horse.

What do you mean? It's just not possible for a fan of any team other than the Pats to think his team will win in a given weekend? Or, is it just not okay with you if such fan discusses their thoughts on this board?

Or is it that it is only okay to have a conversation only after the game has been played?

Better yet, it must only be okay for fans to chat on these boards if their team has won a Superbowl?

Please explain what putting the cart before the horse means to you?

TIA

Putting the cart before the horse means talking smack when you've won NOTHING. You'd think that by now you'd realize that gaudy regular-season records mean nothing. And please spare me the "discussing our thoughts" BS. The title of this thread says it all... you're looking to instigate.Now there are several teams that Colts fans can talk smack to... ex. Arizona, Houston...

All I'm saying is if there's ONE TEAM that the Colt fans can't talk **** to, it's New England.

 

[Kit Fisto]

As great as Belichick is, he just doesn't have the weapons on either side of the ball to take down the Colts this year.I know there will be a major flaming headed my way before this game, but I can take it.The Colts offense is now clicking on all cylinders. The Pats offense isn't scaring anyone these days.The only chance I give them is if they dig ruts every 3 yards about 6" deep on the field. Or maybe map out and lay down some land mines. Since the NFL allows them to make a mockery of the league with their terrible field conditions, I think this is very possible.The Pats get exposed this week. They're in a weak division, with Arena league WRs, and an aging but good D with above average DBs.Colts 31-17. Let the flames begin...

If this isn't the biggest trip ever, I don't know what is... Just "discussing our thoughts..."

 

[pizzatyme]

As great as Belichick is, he just doesn't have the weapons on either side of the ball to take down the Colts this year.I know there will be a major flaming headed my way before this game, but I can take it.The Colts offense is now clicking on all cylinders. The Pats offense isn't scaring anyone these days.The only chance I give them is if they dig ruts every 3 yards about 6" deep on the field. Or maybe map out and lay down some land mines. Since the NFL allows them to make a mockery of the league with their terrible field conditions, I think this is very possible.The Pats get exposed this week. They're in a weak division, with Arena league WRs, and an aging but good D with above average DBs.Colts 31-17. Let the flames begin...

If this isn't the biggest trip ever, I don't know what is... Just "discussing our thoughts..."

It's not fishing. I think the Colts will smoke them this weekend, period! I called the score. If you want to think it fishing, then that is on you! I stated my reasons for thinking the way I do.

 

[Borat]

As great as Belichick is, he just doesn't have the weapons on either side of the ball to take down the Colts this year.

Gott chuckle at this post. The Colts are a very good team and could definetly win this game. Yet, the thinking about why it will happen is incredibly consistent with every single Patriot/Colt matchup in recent history. It's like a broken record.

As usual when it comes to matters concerning the Patriots, Boston has said it best.