The Coming Gay Marriage Witch Hunt (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

http://christopherpenczak.com/product/gay-witchcraft/#.U6M96UCoBQA

 

[Greggity]

Play the victim much?

From the article:

Savvy conservatives and evangelicals are acknowledging, often privately, that public opinion is not in their favor. And they fear what will happen in the future to those who fought against the rising tide of public opinion.

“We have people who are losing their jobs, being smeared publicly because they hold the view that marriage is a union between one man and one woman,” said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, an evangelical think tank and lobbying organization. “They are called bigots. Homophobes. That is not the way we operate in a free society.”

Is this the definition of a "savvy" conservative - one that will occasionally concede to the existence of facts, even if only privately? My, how savvy!

I also like how capitalism is an unquestioned good, until suddenly businesses decide to fire people whose views could affect the corporate bottom line - as is their wont in a capitalistic economy - and suddenly that's "not the way we operate in a free society." It isn't?

How is someones belief being for or against gay marriage affect a company? Thats basically forcing someone to change beliefs so they dont get fired. Thats wrong no matter how you slice it. Personally, i can care less if you want to marry a woman, a man or a friggin billy goat. I dont like the idea of someone trying to force me to change my beliefs by hanging something over my head....Thats bullying imo....

 

[timschochet]

Play the victim much?

From the article:

Savvy conservatives and evangelicals are acknowledging, often privately, that public opinion is not in their favor. And they fear what will happen in the future to those who fought against the rising tide of public opinion.

“We have people who are losing their jobs, being smeared publicly because they hold the view that marriage is a union between one man and one woman,” said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, an evangelical think tank and lobbying organization. “They are called bigots. Homophobes. That is not the way we operate in a free society.”

Is this the definition of a "savvy" conservative - one that will occasionally concede to the existence of facts, even if only privately? My, how savvy!

I also like how capitalism is an unquestioned good, until suddenly businesses decide to fire people whose views could affect the corporate bottom line - as is their wont in a capitalistic economy - and suddenly that's "not the way we operate in a free society." It isn't?

How is someones belief being for or against gay marriage affect a company? Thats basically forcing someone to change beliefs so they dont get fired. Thats wrong no matter how you slice it. Personally, i can care less if you want to marry a woman, a man or a friggin billy goat. I dont like the idea of someone trying to force me by hanging something over my head....

Are you afraid of gay marriage being SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT??

 

[Freelove]

Play the victim much?

My view on gay marriage is pretty simple.

If you are pro gay marriage, you should want gays to have the right to marry. Live and let live and all that.

If you are anti gay marriage, you should want gays to have the right to marry. How many happily married people do you know? Marriage is a fiduciary relationship. It grants the government the right to interfere and tell you how often you can see your kids and enable them to tell you that you are now financially destroyed because someone has buyers remorse in a No Fault divorce system.

If you just don't care about gay marriage, you should want gays to have the right to marry. It's GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY. People getting married spend money, weddings are a BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS. People have to earn a living right? I'm not going to be a hater here if some wedding cake baker or photographer wants more opportunity to earn to send their kids to college.

Whether you are pro gay or anti gay marriage, I think it's time to shoot political correctness in the foot. Gay marriage IS NOT going forward because of more public acceptance ( How can you say that when anything said at all that a gay person might find negative is used like a weapon for bad PR? Don't think Michael Sam is a good pass rusher? SCREW YOU THEN BIGOT!) The "traditional" marriage rate is down. Marriage, again, is a BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY. To help prop it up, gays are being given the right to marry. It's about MONEY. It's ALWAYS ABOUT MONEY.

Letting women vote. Not forcing blacks to drink from a different water fountain. Not sending Asians to die by dynamite to build a railroad. Call it all what you want. It's always been about MONEY. Social change usually happens on the back of the desire for profit.

Gays are usually DINKS (Double Income NO KIDS) Of course advertisers and corporations want to pander to that BUYING POWER.

Sleep with a woman, sleep with a man, sleep with a goat, I could care less. Just stop acting like you saved three dying kids off of Omaha Beach about it. You aren't "courageous", not most of you. I think a 14 year old who just realized they are different and want to talk to their parents, at risk of being kicked out and hold to their beliefs and preference, to me that's COURAGE. But some adult trying to milk out a book deal in a PC cultural with lobbyists ready to give you a free lawyer wants to believe they play hero ball because someone uses their tonsils for a love induced speed bag?

Gays need to understand. Most people DON'T CARE. THEY DON'T GIVE A FLYING #### ABOUT YOUR BEDROOM. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PROBLEMS. JUST STOP SUING EVERYONE OVER IT.

Gay or straight, have the guts to be honest enough to understand this is always and will always be about MONEY.

I stopped reading here, it was a sufficient statement of your views.

The rest is tl;dr, GB.

Any rant that begins with pointless redundancy and then moves into frothy caps-laced ranting is bound to be gold. Don't know how you could stop. I applaud your restraint.

 

[timschochet]

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[Greggity]

Play the victim much?

From the article:

Savvy conservatives and evangelicals are acknowledging, often privately, that public opinion is not in their favor. And they fear what will happen in the future to those who fought against the rising tide of public opinion.

“We have people who are losing their jobs, being smeared publicly because they hold the view that marriage is a union between one man and one woman,” said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, an evangelical think tank and lobbying organization. “They are called bigots. Homophobes. That is not the way we operate in a free society.”

Is this the definition of a "savvy" conservative - one that will occasionally concede to the existence of facts, even if only privately? My, how savvy!

I also like how capitalism is an unquestioned good, until suddenly businesses decide to fire people whose views could affect the corporate bottom line - as is their wont in a capitalistic economy - and suddenly that's "not the way we operate in a free society." It isn't?

How is someones belief being for or against gay marriage affect a company? Thats basically forcing someone to change beliefs so they dont get fired. Thats wrong no matter how you slice it. Personally, i can care less if you want to marry a woman, a man or a friggin billy goat. I dont like the idea of someone trying to force me by hanging something over my head....

Are you afraid of gay marriage being SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT??

I dont care about gay marriage, i dont like the idea of forcing people by threatening them to change their beliefs....

 

[Freelove]

How is someones belief being for or against gay marriage affect a company?

Dr. King?

 

[bigbottom]

To be fair, there is a stigma attached to those who stand up for their beliefs. As a Christian, I know there are going to be people who hate what I believe and stand for. That's fine, it's simply a human opinion to me. After all, what's popular isn't always right.

A prejudiced belief is no less prejudiced because it's founded in religion

People are entitled to their beliefs without losing job, life or livliehood i would assume or is that an outdated thought?

So you would favor legislation regulating private businesses and prohibiting them from firing or refusing to hire people based upon their political beliefs?

Bump

 

[timschochet]

Lemme ask you a serious question, Greggity. You're probably aware by now that I'm a Jew. Suppose I start myself a company, hire a bunch of employees, and then I learn that one of my employees is an anti-Semite. He's a fine worker and all, but in his off time he attends Neo-Nazi meetings. Doesn't affect his work any, but still.. I kinda don't want him around.

Should I be able to fire the guy? Yes or no?

 

[Greggity]

How is someones belief being for or against gay marriage affect a company?

Dr. King?

Stephen or Martin?

 

[joffer]

Play the victim much?

From the article:

Savvy conservatives and evangelicals are acknowledging, often privately, that public opinion is not in their favor. And they fear what will happen in the future to those who fought against the rising tide of public opinion.

“We have people who are losing their jobs, being smeared publicly because they hold the view that marriage is a union between one man and one woman,” said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, an evangelical think tank and lobbying organization. “They are called bigots. Homophobes. That is not the way we operate in a free society.”

Is this the definition of a "savvy" conservative - one that will occasionally concede to the existence of facts, even if only privately? My, how savvy!

I also like how capitalism is an unquestioned good, until suddenly businesses decide to fire people whose views could affect the corporate bottom line - as is their wont in a capitalistic economy - and suddenly that's "not the way we operate in a free society." It isn't?

How is someones belief being for or against gay marriage affect a company? Thats basically forcing someone to change beliefs so they dont get fired. Thats wrong no matter how you slice it. Personally, i can care less if you want to marry a woman, a man or a friggin billy goat. I dont like the idea of someone trying to force me by hanging something over my head....

Are you afraid of gay marriage being SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT??

I dont care about gay marriage, i dont like the idea of forcing people by threatening them to change their beliefs....

who's being forced to change their beliefs

 

[3C's]

Lemme ask you a serious question, Greggity. You're probably aware by now that I'm a Jew. Suppose I start myself a company, hire a bunch of employees, and then I learn that one of my employees is an anti-Semite. He's a fine worker and all, but in his off time he attends Neo-Nazi meetings. Doesn't affect his work any, but still.. I kinda don't want him around.

Should I be able to fire the guy? Yes or no?

what does that have to do with the gays?

 

[Greggity]

To be fair, there is a stigma attached to those who stand up for their beliefs. As a Christian, I know there are going to be people who hate what I believe and stand for. That's fine, it's simply a human opinion to me. After all, what's popular isn't always right.

A prejudiced belief is no less prejudiced because it's founded in religion

People are entitled to their beliefs without losing job, life or livliehood i would assume or is that an outdated thought?

So you would favor legislation regulating private businesses and prohibiting them from firing or refusing to hire people based upon their political beliefs?

Bump

i have never been asked what my political beliefs are, religious beliefs before being hired for a job in the military or as a civilian. Do you want people being fired for liking chocolate ice cream instead of vanilla? This is all ridiculous to me....

 

[Greggity]

Play the victim much?

From the article:

Savvy conservatives and evangelicals are acknowledging, often privately, that public opinion is not in their favor. And they fear what will happen in the future to those who fought against the rising tide of public opinion.

“We have people who are losing their jobs, being smeared publicly because they hold the view that marriage is a union between one man and one woman,” said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, an evangelical think tank and lobbying organization. “They are called bigots. Homophobes. That is not the way we operate in a free society.”

Is this the definition of a "savvy" conservative - one that will occasionally concede to the existence of facts, even if only privately? My, how savvy!

I also like how capitalism is an unquestioned good, until suddenly businesses decide to fire people whose views could affect the corporate bottom line - as is their wont in a capitalistic economy - and suddenly that's "not the way we operate in a free society." It isn't?

How is someones belief being for or against gay marriage affect a company? Thats basically forcing someone to change beliefs so they dont get fired. Thats wrong no matter how you slice it. Personally, i can care less if you want to marry a woman, a man or a friggin billy goat. I dont like the idea of someone trying to force me by hanging something over my head....

Are you afraid of gay marriage being SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT??

I dont care about gay marriage, i dont like the idea of forcing people by threatening them to change their beliefs....

who's being forced to change their beliefs

Well, if you tell someone they will be fired for a "belief" im pretty sure they will change it. Is that how things should be in your opinion?

 

[bigbottom]

To be fair, there is a stigma attached to those who stand up for their beliefs. As a Christian, I know there are going to be people who hate what I believe and stand for. That's fine, it's simply a human opinion to me. After all, what's popular isn't always right.

A prejudiced belief is no less prejudiced because it's founded in religion

People are entitled to their beliefs without losing job, life or livliehood i would assume or is that an outdated thought?

So you would favor legislation regulating private businesses and prohibiting them from firing or refusing to hire people based upon their political beliefs?

Bump

i have never been asked what my political beliefs are, religious beliefs before being hired for a job in the military or as a civilian. Do you want people being fired for liking chocolate ice cream instead of vanilla? This is all ridiculous to me....

I'll repeat my question. Do you favor legislation regulating private businesses and prohibiting them from firing or refusing to hire people based upon their political beliefs?

 

[Parrothead]

Lemme ask you a serious question, Greggity. You're probably aware by now that I'm a Jew. Suppose I start myself a company, hire a bunch of employees, and then I learn that one of my employees is an anti-Semite. He's a fine worker and all, but in his off time he attends Neo-Nazi meetings. Doesn't affect his work any, but still.. I kinda don't want him around.

Should I be able to fire the guy? Yes or no?

No

 

[NCCommish]

Play the victim much?

I love the new America...."Think as we do or you lose your job and life". Awesome!!

That's what we call "freedom," my friend. It's not just for people who want to be able to bring guns to Arby's or post homophobic rants on Facebook. It's for companies making personnel decisions and people who want to call people idiots for posting homophobic Facebook rants too. If you don't like it you can leave, freedom-hater.

Why dont you make me leave. Love the hide behind the keyboard people. Never in my life has someone called me anything negative to my face. I wonder why????

Because you are such a badass and ever so scary?

 

[3C's]

why is peens so angry?

 

[Politician Spock]

As most people know, I used to actively defend the Christian view of marriage here on the forum.

I don't anymore because I don't see the point. If God is a God who has smote cities with fire and brimstone in the past for homosexual behavior, and is a God who would do it again for the same reason, is there any indication at all that he would show grace and not do it as long as its not done in "marriage"?

If our cities and country is about to experience the wrath of God due to the growing homosexual nature of our populace, then it's going to happen regardless of this whole marriage issue. Protecting the definition of marriage isn't going to stop homosexuals from doing it.

 

[roadkill1292]

why is peens so angry?

He's one of those angry minorities.

 

[joffer]

Play the victim much?

From the article:

Savvy conservatives and evangelicals are acknowledging, often privately, that public opinion is not in their favor. And they fear what will happen in the future to those who fought against the rising tide of public opinion.

“We have people who are losing their jobs, being smeared publicly because they hold the view that marriage is a union between one man and one woman,” said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, an evangelical think tank and lobbying organization. “They are called bigots. Homophobes. That is not the way we operate in a free society.”

Is this the definition of a "savvy" conservative - one that will occasionally concede to the existence of facts, even if only privately? My, how savvy!

I also like how capitalism is an unquestioned good, until suddenly businesses decide to fire people whose views could affect the corporate bottom line - as is their wont in a capitalistic economy - and suddenly that's "not the way we operate in a free society." It isn't?

How is someones belief being for or against gay marriage affect a company? Thats basically forcing someone to change beliefs so they dont get fired. Thats wrong no matter how you slice it. Personally, i can care less if you want to marry a woman, a man or a friggin billy goat. I dont like the idea of someone trying to force me by hanging something over my head....

Are you afraid of gay marriage being SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT??

I dont care about gay marriage, i dont like the idea of forcing people by threatening them to change their beliefs....

who's being forced to change their beliefs

Well, if you tell someone they will be fired for a "belief" im pretty sure they will change it. Is that how things should be in your opinion?

depends on the belief

 

[Rubi]

To be fair, there is a stigma attached to those who stand up for their beliefs. As a Christian, I know there are going to be people who hate what I believe and stand for. That's fine, it's simply a human opinion to me. After all, what's popular isn't always right.

A prejudiced belief is no less prejudiced because it's founded in religion

People are entitled to their beliefs without losing job, life or livliehood i would assume or is that an outdated thought?

...and they are entitled to the same rights as everyone else

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

To be fair, there is a stigma attached to those who stand up for their beliefs. As a Christian, I know there are going to be people who hate what I believe and stand for. That's fine, it's simply a human opinion to me. After all, what's popular isn't always right.

No one hates you for being a Christian. And we don't hate Tony Perkins for being a Christian.

We hate him for being a ######## who's actively working to diminish the lives of other people and keep them from enjoying civil protections that the rest of us do.

 

[3C's]

As most people know, I used to actively defend the Christian view of marriage here on the forum.

I don't anymore because I don't see the point. If God is a God who has smote cities with fire and brimstone in the past for homosexual behavior, and is a God who would do it again for the same reason, is there any indication at all they he would show grace and not do it as long as its not done in "marriage"?

If our cities and country is about to experience the wrath of God due to the growing homosexual nature of our populace, then it's going to happen regardless of this whole marriage issue. Protecting the definition of marriage isn't going to stop homosexuals from doing it.

I better move if there's gonna be smiting. Apparently the nearby college (W&M) is nicknamed Bill and Larry for a reason.

 

[butcher boy]

To be fair, there is a stigma attached to those who stand up for their beliefs. As a Christian, I know there are going to be people who hate what I believe and stand for. That's fine, it's simply a human opinion to me. After all, what's popular isn't always right.

No one hates you for being a Christian. And we don't hate Tony Perkins for being a Christian.

We hate him for being a ######## who's actively working to diminish the lives of other people and keep them from enjoying civil protections that the rest of us do.

and great pecs!

 

[Eminence]

Jesus Christ, just let them get married but don't make the rest of the populace pay for their HIV treatments.

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all gay and bisexual men. At the end of 2010, an estimated 489,121 (56%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were gay and bisexual men, or gay and bisexual men who also inject drugs.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html

Also, make it more clear the negative impacts of anal sex. We don't need a generation of people leeching off the government in 20+ years complaining about a loose ###### because they decided in the 2010's that it would suddenly be fun to play with their prostates.

 

[Greggity]

To be fair, there is a stigma attached to those who stand up for their beliefs. As a Christian, I know there are going to be people who hate what I believe and stand for. That's fine, it's simply a human opinion to me. After all, what's popular isn't always right.

A prejudiced belief is no less prejudiced because it's founded in religion

People are entitled to their beliefs without losing job, life or livliehood i would assume or is that an outdated thought?

...and they are entitled to the same rights as everyone else

I am not saying they shouldnt? My problem comes when someone is being forced to change their views by threatening and bullying tactics. People being fired because they arent accepting of gay marriage is a pretty good form of bullying imo. Not sure how anyone can dispute that....

 

[timschochet]

Lemme ask you a serious question, Greggity. You're probably aware by now that I'm a Jew. Suppose I start myself a company, hire a bunch of employees, and then I learn that one of my employees is an anti-Semite. He's a fine worker and all, but in his off time he attends Neo-Nazi meetings. Doesn't affect his work any, but still.. I kinda don't want him around.

Should I be able to fire the guy? Yes or no?

No

So I can't fire an anti-Semite from my own company? OK. I think you and I live in a different country...

 

[Politician Spock]

As most people know, I used to actively defend the Christian view of marriage here on the forum.

I don't anymore because I don't see the point. If God is a God who has smote cities with fire and brimstone in the past for homosexual behavior, and is a God who would do it again for the same reason, is there any indication at all they he would show grace and not do it as long as its not done in "marriage"?

If our cities and country is about to experience the wrath of God due to the growing homosexual nature of our populace, then it's going to happen regardless of this whole marriage issue. Protecting the definition of marriage isn't going to stop homosexuals from doing it.

I better move if there's gonna be smiting. Apparently the nearby college (W&M) is nicknamed Bill and Larry for a reason.

I'm gonna produce a cable show called "Smite Chasers" and catch some of that falling fire and brimstone on camera.

 

[jon_mx]

So much hypocrisy on this thread.

 

[butcher boy]

Jesus Christ, just let them get married but don't make the rest of the populace pay for their HIV treatments.

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all gay and bisexual men. At the end of 2010, an estimated 489,121 (56%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were gay and bisexual men, or gay and bisexual men who also inject drugs.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html

Also, make it more clear the negative impacts of anal sex. We don't need a generation of people leeching off the government in 20+ years complaining about a loose ###### because they decided in the 2010's that it would suddenly be fun to play with their prostates.

Should the populace pay for the HIV treatments of people who get it through straight sex?

 

[joffer]

Jesus Christ, just let them get married but don't make the rest of the populace pay for their HIV treatments.

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all gay and bisexual men. At the end of 2010, an estimated 489,121 (56%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were gay and bisexual men, or gay and bisexual men who also inject drugs.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html

Also, make it more clear the negative impacts of anal sex. We don't need a generation of people leeching off the government in 20+ years complaining about a loose ###### because they decided in the 2010's that it would suddenly be fun to play with their prostates.

and fat people. I'm sick of paying for fat people.

 

[timschochet]

Jesus Christ, just let them get married but don't make the rest of the populace pay for their HIV treatments.

Is this a direct request to Jesus? Are you praying for this to happen?

 

[jon_mx]

Eminence never has sex, so that Is an unfair question.

 

[glock]

Jesus Christ, just let them get married but don't make the rest of the populace pay for their HIV treatments.

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all gay and bisexual men. At the end of 2010, an estimated 489,121 (56%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were gay and bisexual men, or gay and bisexual men who also inject drugs.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html

Also, make it more clear the negative impacts of anal sex. We don't need a generation of people leeching off the government in 20+ years complaining about a loose ###### because they decided in the 2010's that it would suddenly be fun to play with their prostates.

and fat people. I'm sick of paying for fat people.

And people hit with both ends of the ugly stick...

 

[Spartans Rule]

Well, if you tell someone they will be fired for a "belief" im pretty sure they will change it.

Seriously? If my company threatened to fire me for a belief I would quit my job that second and never have a moment of regret.

 

[glock]

To be fair, there is a stigma attached to those who stand up for their beliefs. As a Christian, I know there are going to be people who hate what I believe and stand for. That's fine, it's simply a human opinion to me. After all, what's popular isn't always right.

A prejudiced belief is no less prejudiced because it's founded in religion

People are entitled to their beliefs without losing job, life or livliehood i would assume or is that an outdated thought?

...and they are entitled to the same rights as everyone else

I am not saying they shouldnt? My problem comes when someone is being forced to change their views by threatening and bullying tactics. People being fired because they arent accepting of gay marriage is a pretty good form of bullying imo. Not sure how anyone can dispute that....

You really don't see the irony up in here, do you?

Edited to add, let me help...

 

[Steve Tasker]

Some would say that Peens has lost a step, but for my money, he still fishes with the best of em. #blouses

 

[Steve Tasker]

Jesus Christ, just let them get married but don't make the rest of the populace pay for their HIV treatments.

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all gay and bisexual men. At the end of 2010, an estimated 489,121 (56%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were gay and bisexual men, or gay and bisexual men who also inject drugs.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html

Also, make it more clear the negative impacts of anal sex. We don't need a generation of people leeching off the government in 20+ years complaining about a loose ###### because they decided in the 2010's that it would suddenly be fun to play with their prostates.

I can't tell if this is the best or the worst shtick ever.

 

[matuski]

Play the victim much?

From the article:

Savvy conservatives and evangelicals are acknowledging, often privately, that public opinion is not in their favor. And they fear what will happen in the future to those who fought against the rising tide of public opinion.

“We have people who are losing their jobs, being smeared publicly because they hold the view that marriage is a union between one man and one woman,” said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, an evangelical think tank and lobbying organization. “They are called bigots. Homophobes. That is not the way we operate in a free society.”

Is this the definition of a "savvy" conservative - one that will occasionally concede to the existence of facts, even if only privately? My, how savvy!

I also like how capitalism is an unquestioned good, until suddenly businesses decide to fire people whose views could affect the corporate bottom line - as is their wont in a capitalistic economy - and suddenly that's "not the way we operate in a free society." It isn't?

How is someones belief being for or against gay marriage affect a company? Thats basically forcing someone to change beliefs so they dont get fired. Thats wrong no matter how you slice it. Personally, i can care less if you want to marry a woman, a man or a friggin billy goat. I dont like the idea of someone trying to force me by hanging something over my head....

Are you afraid of gay marriage being SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT??

I dont care about gay marriage, i dont like the idea of forcing people by threatening them to change their beliefs....

Nobody was threatened. If you are in a leadership position in a company, you actions have consequences.

It is not your beliefs, it is your actions. Taking public action that flies in the face of public opinion as a leader of a company has consequences, for the company and for you.

 

[Lutherman2112]

There Are Still 29 US States Where You Can Be Fired For Being Gay

REBECCA BAIRD-REMBA

There are 29 states in America where it's totally legal to fire workers just for being gay, but one lawmaker is trying to do something to change that.

Democratic Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon is introducing the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which would ban workplace discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people, Bloomberg reports.

Nearly 40% of all openly lesbian, gay, or bisexual employees say they've experienced discrimination or harassment at work, according to a 2011 study by the Williams Institute. And 9% say they've lost a job because they were openly gay.

Here are the states where you can still be fired for being gay because they don't have explicit laws that prevent discrimination against LGBT people in the workplace (map at link).

 

[bigbottom]

ENDA has been introduced every session for about the last 10 years or so.

 

[Koya]

To be fair, there is a stigma attached to those who stand up for their beliefs. As a Christian, I know there are going to be people who hate what I believe and stand for. That's fine, it's simply a human opinion to me. After all, what's popular isn't always right.

There is a difference between a belief ("I think gay marriage is wrong and/or immoral") and looking to impose your belief on another in manner that denies them equality, freedom and respect as a fellow human being.

Once you do the latter (including looking for govt to take a stance that denies equality etc), then your right to believe is trumped by another's right to live freely and equally.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I will be among the first to tell you that people calling themselves Christians have done some horrible things in the name of the greatest Man to walk the earth.

The irony.

How is someones belief being for or against gay marriage affect a company? Thats basically forcing someone to change beliefs so they dont get fired. Thats wrong no matter how you slice it. Personally, i can care less if you want to marry a woman, a man or a friggin billy goat. I dont like the idea of someone trying to force me to change my beliefs by hanging something over my head....Thats bullying imo....

I think it's well within a company's right to make personnel decisions based on personality and whether or not they believe someone to be a bad person. They're free to not hire racists, chauvinists, or yes, bigots.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Lemme ask you a serious question, Greggity. You're probably aware by now that I'm a Jew. Suppose I start myself a company, hire a bunch of employees, and then I learn that one of my employees is an anti-Semite. He's a fine worker and all, but in his off time he attends Neo-Nazi meetings. Doesn't affect his work any, but still.. I kinda don't want him around.

Should I be able to fire the guy? Yes or no?

Sure. It's your company. You should be able to hire or fire whoever you want.

That said, I think firms should also be allowed to fire you for being Jewish if that's what they want to do so.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I think it's well within a company's right to make personnel decisions based on personality and whether or not they believe someone to be a bad person. They're free to not hire racists, chauvinists, or yes, bigots.

I agree.

Now suppose you're an evangelical Christian who staunchly believes that gays are bad people. You find out that one of your employees is gay. Should you be legally allowed to fire him?

 

[Lutherman2112]

ENDA has been introduced every session for about the last 10 years or so.

And that is the sad part.

 

[timschochet]

Lemme ask you a serious question, Greggity. You're probably aware by now that I'm a Jew. Suppose I start myself a company, hire a bunch of employees, and then I learn that one of my employees is an anti-Semite. He's a fine worker and all, but in his off time he attends Neo-Nazi meetings. Doesn't affect his work any, but still.. I kinda don't want him around.

Should I be able to fire the guy? Yes or no?

Sure. It's your company. You should be able to hire or fire whoever you want.

That said, I think firms should also be allowed to fire you for being Jewish if that's what they want to do so.

You know what? I take that back. I don't agree. I think you should be able to fire someone because of expressed views, but not if they are a certain class or race of person- you shouldn't be able to fire them if they are black or Jewish or Christian or Gay. That's discrimination. My example is not.

 

[timschochet]

I think it's well within a company's right to make personnel decisions based on personality and whether or not they believe someone to be a bad person. They're free to not hire racists, chauvinists, or yes, bigots.

I agree.

Now suppose you're an evangelical Christian who staunchly believes that gays are bad people. You find out that one of your employees is gay. Should you be legally allowed to fire him?

No.

 

[timschochet]

I used to believe the way you do Ivan, but this is one aspect of libertarian thinking I have abandoned. You shouldn't be allowed to discriminate based on race, religion, creed, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.