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The cost of America’s police state (1 Viewer)

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http://www.salon.com/2012/03/05/the_cost_of_americas_police_state/singleton/

The cost of America’s police state

Hundreds of billions have been spent to militarize our nation against a terrorism threat that barely existsBy Stephan Salisbury

At the height of the Occupy Wall Street evictions, it seemed as though some diminutive version of “shock and awe” had stumbled from Baghdad, Iraq, to Oakland, Calif. American police forces had been “militarized,” many commentators worried, as though the firepower and callous tactics on display were anomalies, surprises bursting upon us from nowhere.

There should have been no surprise. Those flash grenades exploding in Oakland and the sound cannons on New York’s streets simply opened small windows onto a national policing landscape long in the process of militarization — a bleak domestic no man’s land marked by tanks and drones, robot bomb detectors, grenade launchers, tasers, and most of all, interlinked video surveillance cameras and information databases growing quietly on unobtrusive server farms everywhere.

The ubiquitous fantasy of “homeland security,” pushed hard by the federal government in the wake of 9/11, has been widely embraced by the public. It has also excited intense weapons- and techno-envy among police departments and municipalities vying for the latest in armor and spy equipment.

In such a world, deadly gadgetry is just a grant request away, so why shouldn’t the 14,000 at-risk souls in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, have a closed-circuit-digital-camera-and-monitor system (cost: $180,000, courtesy of the Homeland Security Department) identical to the one up and running in New York’s Times Square?

So much money has gone into armoring and arming local law-enforcement since 9/11 that the federal government could have rebuilt post-Katrina New Orleans five times over and had enough money left in the kitty to provide job training and housing for every one of the record 41,000-plus homeless people in New York City. It could have added in the growing population of 15,000 homeless in Philadelphia, my hometown, and still have had money to spare. Add disintegrating Detroit, Newark, and Camden to the list. Throw in some crumbling bridges and roads, too.

But why drone on? We all know that addressing acute social and economic issues here in the homeland was the road not taken. Since 9/11, the Department of Homeland Security alone has doled out somewhere between $30 billion and $40 billion in direct grants to state and local law enforcement, as well as other first responders. At the same time, defense contractors have proven endlessly inventive in adapting sales pitches originally honed for the military on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan to the desires of police on the streets of San Francisco and lower Manhattan. Oakland may not be Basra but (as former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld liked to say) there are always the unknown unknowns: best be prepared.

All told, the federal government has appropriated about $635 billion, accounting for inflation, for homeland security-related activities and equipment since the 9/11 attacks. To conclude, though, that “the police” have become increasingly militarized casts too narrow a net. The truth is that virtually the entire apparatus of government has been mobilized and militarized right down to the university campus.

Perhaps the pepper spray used on Occupy demonstrators last November at University of California-Davis wasn’t directly paid for by the federal government. But those who used it work closely with Homeland Security and the FBI “in developing prevention strategies that threaten campus life, property, and environments,” as UC Davis’s Comprehensive Emergency and Continuity Management Plan puts it.

Government budgets at every level now include allocations aimed at fighting an ephemeral “War on Terror” in the United States. A vast surveillance and military buildup has taken place nationwide to conduct a pseudo-war against what can be imagined, not what we actually face. The costs of this effort, started by the Bush administration and promoted faithfully by the Obama administration, have been, and continue to be, virtually incalculable. In the process, public service and the public imagination have been weaponized.

Farewell to Peaceful Private Life

We’re not just talking money eagerly squandered. That may prove the least of it. More importantly, the fundamental values of American democracy — particularly the right to lead an autonomous private life — have been compromised with grim efficiency. The weaponry and tactics now routinely employed by police are visible evidence of this.

Yes, it’s true that Montgomery County, Texas, has purchased a weapons-capable drone. (They say they’ll only arm it with tasers, if necessary.) Yes, it’s true that the Tampa police have beefed the force up with an eight-ton armored personnel carrier, augmenting two older tanks the department already owns. Yes, the Fargo police are ready with bomb detection robots, and Chicago boasts a network of at least 15,000 interlinked surveillance cameras.

New York City’s 34,000-member police force is now the ground zero of a growing outcry over rampant secret spying on Muslim students and communities up and down the East coast. It has been a big beneficiary of federal security largess. Between 2003 and 2010, the city received more than $1.1 billion through Homeland Security’s Urban Areas Security Initiative grant program. And that’s only one of the grant programs funneling such money to New York.

The Obama White House itself has directly funded part of the New York Police Department’s anti-Muslim surveillance program. Top officials of New York’s finest have, however, repeatedly refused to disclose just how much anti-terrorism money it has been spending, citing, of course, security.

Can New York City ever be “secure”? Mayor Michael Bloomberg boasted recently with obvious satisfaction: “I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh largest army in the world.” That would be the Vietnamese army actually, but accuracy isn’t the point. The smugness of the boast is. And meanwhile the money keeps pouring in and the “security” activities only multiply.

Why, for instance, are New York cops traveling to Yale University in New Haven, Conn., and Newark, N.J., to spy on ordinary Muslim citizens, who have nothing to do with New York and are not suspected of doing anything? For what conceivable purpose does Tampa want an eight-ton armored vehicle? Why do Texas sheriffs north of Houston believe one drone — or a dozen, for that matter — will make Montgomery County a better place? What manner of thinking conjures up a future that requires such hardware? We have entered a dark world that demands an inescapable battery of closed-circuit, networked video cameras trained on ordinary citizens strolling Michigan Avenue.

This is not simply a police issue. Law enforcement agencies may acquire the equipment and deploy it, but city legislators and executives must approve the expenditures and the uses. State legislators and bureaucrats refine the local grant requests. Federal officials, with endless input from national security and defense vendors and lobbyists, appropriate the funds.

Doubters are simply swept aside (while legions of security and terrorism pundits spin dread-inducing fantasies), and ultimately, the American people accept and live with the results. We get what we pay for — Mayor Bloomberg’s “army,” replicated coast to coast.

Budgets Tell the Story

Militarized thinking is made manifest through budgets, which daily reshape political and bureaucratic life in large and small ways. Not long after the 9/11 attacks, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft, appearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, used this formula to define the new American environment and so the thinking that went with it: “Terrorist operatives infiltrate our communities — plotting, planning, and waiting to kill again.” To counter that, the government had urgently embarked on “a wartime reorganization,” he said, and was “forging new relationships of cooperation with state and local law enforcement.”

While such visionary Ashcroftian rhetoric has cooled in recent years, the relationships and funding he touted a decade ago have been institutionalized throughout government — federal, state, and local — as well as civil society. The creation of the Department of Homeland Security, with a total 2012 budget of about $57 billion, is the most obvious example of this.

That budget only hints at what’s being doled out for homeland security at the federal level. Such moneys flow not just from Homeland Security, but from the Justice Department, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Commerce Department, the Department of Agriculture, and the Department of Defense.

In 2010, the Office of Management and Budget reckoned that 31 separate federal agencies were involved in homeland security-related funding that year to the tune of more than $65 billion. The Census Bureau, which has itself been compromised by War on Terror activities — mapping Middle Eastern and Muslim communities for counter-terrorism officials — estimated that federal homeland security funding topped $70 billion in 2010. But government officials acknowledge that much funding is not included in that compilation. (Grants made through the $5.6 billion Project BioShield, to offer but one example, an exotic vaccination and medical program launched in 2004, are absent from the total.)

Even the estimate of more than $635 billion in such expenditures does not tell the full spending story. That figure does not include the national intelligence or military intelligence budgets for which the Obama Administration is seeking $52.6 billion and $19.6 billion respectively in 2013, or secret parts of the national security budget, the so-called black budget.

Local funding is also unaccounted for. New York’s Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly claims total national homeland security spending could easily be near a trillion dollars. Money well spent, he says — New York needs that anti-terror army, the thousands of surveillance cameras, those sophisticated new weapons, and, naturally, a navy that now includes six drone submarines (thanks to $540,000 in Homeland Security cash) to keep an eye on the terrorist threat beneath the waves.

And even that’s not enough.

“We have a new boat on order,” Kelly said recently, alluding to a bullet-proof vessel paid for by, yes, Homeland Security (cost unspecified). “We envision a situation where we may have to get to an island or across water quickly, so we’re able to transport our heavy weapons officers rapidly. We have to do things differently. We know that this is where terrorists want to come.”

With submarines available to those who protect and serve (and grab the grant money), a simple armored SWAT carrier should hardly raise an eyebrow. The Tampa police will get one as part of their security buildup before the city hosts the Republican convention this summer. Tampa and Charlotte, which will host the Democratic convention, each received special $50 million security allocations from Congress to “harden” the cities.

Marc Hamlin, Tampa’s assistant police chief, told the Tampa city council that two old tanks, already owned and operated by the police, were simply not enough. They were just too unreliable. “Thank God we have two, because one seems to break down every week,” he lamented.

Not everyone on the council seemed convinced Tampa needed a truck sheathed in 1.5-inch high-grade steel, and featuring ballistic glass panels, blast shields, and powered turrets. City Council Vice Chairwoman Mary Mulhern claimed she found the purchase “kind of troubling,” a sign that Tampa is becoming “militarized.” Then she voted to approve it anyway, along with the other council members. Hamlin was pleased. “It’s one of those things where you prepare for the worst, and you hope for the best,” he explained.

When Mulhern suggested that some of the windfall $50 million might be used to help the city’s growing homeless population, Tampa Mayor Bob Buckhorn set her straight. “We can’t be diverted from what the appropriate use of that money is, and that is to provide a safe environment for the convention. It’s not to be used for pet projects or things totally unrelated to security.”

Tampa will also be spending more than $1 million for state of the art digital video uplinks to surveillance helicopters. (“Analog technology is almost Stone Age,” commented one approving council member.) Another $2 million will go to install 60 surveillance cameras on city streets. That represents an uncharacteristic pullback from the city’s initial plan to acquire more than 230 cameras as well as two drones at a cost of about $5 million. Even the police deemed that too expensive — for the moment.

All of this hardware will remain in Tampa after the Republicans and any protestors are long gone. What use will it serve then? In the Tampa area, the armored truck will join the armored fleet, police officials said, ferrying SWAT teams on calls and protecting police serving search warrants. In the past, Hamlin claimed, Tampa’s tanks have been shot at. He did not mention that crime rates in Tampa and across Florida are at four-decade lows.

The video surveillance cameras will, of course, also stay in place, streaming digitized images to an ever-growing database, where they will be stored waiting for the day when facial recognition software is employed to mix and match. This strategy is being followed all over the country, including in Chicago, with its huge video surveillance network, and New York City, where all of lower Manhattan is now on camera.

Tampa has already been down this road once in the post-9/11 era. The city was home to a much-watched experiment in using such software. Images taken by cameras installed on the street were to be matched with photographs in a database of suspects. The system failed completely and was scrapped in 2003. On the other hand, sheriffs in the Tampa Bay area are currently using facial recognition software to match photographs snapped by police on the street with a database of suspects with outstanding warrants. Police are excited by that program and look forward to its future expansion.

The Rise of the Fusion Centers

Homeland Security has played a big role in creating one particularly potent element in the nation’s expanding database network. Working with the Department of Justice in the wake of 9/11, it launched what has grown into 72 interlinked state “fusion centers” — repositories for everything from Immigration Customs Enforcement data and photographs to local police reports and even gossip. “Suspicious Activity Reports” gathered from public tipsters — thanks to Homeland Security’s “if you see something, say something” program — are now flowing into state centers. Those fusion centers are possibly the greatest facilitators of dish in history, and have vast potential for disseminating dubious information and stigmatizing purely political activity. And most Americans have never even heard of them.

Yet fusion centers now operate in every state, centralizing intelligence gathering and facilitating dissemination of material of every sort across the country. Here is where information gathered by cops and citizens, FBI agents and immigration officers goes to fester. It is a staggering load of data, unevenly and sometimes questionably vetted, and it is ultimately available to any state or local law-enforcement officer, any immigration agent or official, any intelligence or security bureaucrat with a computer and network access.

The idea for these centers grew from the notion that agencies needed to share what they knew in an “unfettered” environment. How comforting to know that the walls between intelligence and law enforcement are breached in an essentially unregulated fashion.

Many other states have monitored antiwar activists, gathering and storing names and information. Texas and other states have stored “intelligence” on Muslims. Pennsylvania gathered reports on opponents of natural gas drilling. Florida has scrutinized supporters of presidential candidate Ron Paul. The list of such questionable activities is very long. We have no idea how much dubious data has been squirreled away by authorities and remains within the networked system. But we do know that information pours into it with relative ease and spreads like an oil slick. Cleaning up and removing the mess is another story entirely.

Anyone who wants to learn something about fusion center funding will also find it maddeningly difficult to track. Not even the Homeland Security Department can say with certainty how much of its own money has gone into these data nests over the last decade. The amounts are staggering, however. From 2004 to 2009 alone, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) reported that states used about $426 million in Homeland Security Department grants to fund fusion-related activities nationally. The centers also receive state and local funds, as well as funds from other federal agencies. How much? We don’t know, although GAO data suggest state and local funding at least equals the Homeland Security share.

Yet, as Tampa, New York City, and other urban areas bulk up with high-tech anti-terrorism equipment and fusion centers have proliferated, the number of even remotely “terror-related” incidents has declined. The equipment acquired and projects inaugurated to fend off largely imaginary threats is instead increasingly deployed to address ordinary criminal activity, perceived political disruptions, and the tracking and surveillance of American Muslims. The Transportation Safety Administration is now even patrolling highways. It could be called a case of mission creep, but the more accurate description might be: bait-and-switch.

The chances of an American dying in a terrorist incident in a given year are 1 in 3.5 million. To reduce that risk, to make something minuscule even more minuscule, what has the nation spent? What has it cost us? Instead of rebuilding a ravaged American city in a timely fashion or making Americans more secure in their “underwater” homes and their disappearing jobs, we have created militarized police forces, visible evidence of police-state-style funding.

[Note on Sources and Further Reading: The following documents can all be found in pdf format by clicking on “here”: the UC Davis Comprehensive Emergency Management plan here, Census Bureau figures on Homeland Security spending here, a report on questionable fusion center actions here, the GAO report on fusion centers here, a report on the decline in the terrorist threat here, and Congressional testimony favoring counterterrorism “mission creep” here.]

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Stephan Salisbury is cultural writer for the Philadelphia Inquirer. His most recent book is Mohamed’s Ghosts: An American Story of Love and Fear in the Homeland (Nation Books).More Stephan Salisbury
 
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If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.

 
If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
Those are the same people complaining about a deficit and demanding we shrink the budget.
 
If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
Those are the same people complaining about a deficit and demanding we shrink the budget.
Meh. Most conservatives would like to see much of that system dismantled. Start with the TSA.And, to be honest, the parts of HS that are involved in counter-terrorism have been quite good at what they do for a while now. No need to screw with something that's working.
 
If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
Those are the same people complaining about a deficit and demanding we shrink the budget.
Meh. Most conservatives would like to see much of that system dismantled. Start with the TSA.And, to be honest, the parts of HS that are involved in counter-terrorism have been quite good at what they do for a while now. No need to screw with something that's working.
I wasn't really seeing this as a liberal vs conservative issue. I see it more like defense spending -- what can we really afford to have? At what point is the cost/benefit ratio skewed too insanely to maintain?
 
If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
The really awesome thing is that a large chunk of the spending described in the OP goes toward fighting the war on drugs. This is like the perfect storm of idiocy for civil libertarians.
 
Sadly, the gov't has been put in a position where it is expected to perform the impossible. There is no way to ensure that there will never be another terrorist attack. But if there is another, they need to look like they were doing everything in it's power to have stopped it.

 
Just a rough cost estimate of operating the campuses of communication-analysis plants dotting NoVa & Md, as uncovered by Frontline in a show last yr, has that aspect of intelligence gathering alone costing us between 100-200B a yr.

 
Just a rough cost estimate of operating the campuses of communication-analysis plants dotting NoVa & Md, as uncovered by Frontline in a show last yr, has that aspect of intelligence gathering alone costing us between 100-200B a yr.
That is insane, I'll have to look that Frontline episode up.
 
If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
Those are the same people complaining about a deficit and demanding we shrink the budget.
Meh. Most conservatives would like to see much of that system dismantled. Start with the TSA.And, to be honest, the parts of HS that are involved in counter-terrorism have been quite good at what they do for a while now. No need to screw with something that's working.
We have at least 12 intelligence agencies falling over each other gathering data no one ever really looks at. There is too much of it. We need to streamline this apparatus and save this country 100's of billions of dollars in the process. Further I would submit that in reality our citizens, many of them Muslim or Arabic, have been quite good. Not so much the ABC apparatus.
 
Sadly, the gov't has been put in a position where it is expected to perform the impossible. There is no way to ensure that there will never be another terrorist attack. But if there is another, they need to look like they were doing everything in it's power to have stopped it.
It hasn't happened here on over a decade. That's a pretty good sucess rate.
 
Sadly, the gov't has been put in a position where it is expected to perform the impossible. There is no way to ensure that there will never be another terrorist attack. But if there is another, they need to look like they were doing everything in it's power to have stopped it.
It hasn't happened here on over a decade. That's a pretty good sucess rate.
It took over a decade of planning and preparation for them to pull of 911.
 
Sadly, the gov't has been put in a position where it is expected to perform the impossible. There is no way to ensure that there will never be another terrorist attack. But if there is another, they need to look like they were doing everything in it's power to have stopped it.
It hasn't happened here on over a decade. That's a pretty good sucess rate.
I do, too. But I very much agree with Rayderr's perspective here. It is an impossible mission (that of eliminating terrorists' successes entirely). A determined enemy will get through the defenses, no matter the spending rate. And we may have to ask ourselves how we're going to deal with this problem when we can no longer afford to throw gobs of money at it.
 
If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
Those are the same people complaining about a deficit and demanding we shrink the budget.
Meh. Most conservatives would like to see much of that system dismantled. Start with the TSA.And, to be honest, the parts of HS that are involved in counter-terrorism have been quite good at what they do for a while now. No need to screw with something that's working.
We have at least 12 intelligence agencies falling over each other gathering data no one ever really looks at. There is too much of it. We need to streamline this apparatus and save this country 100's of billions of dollars in the process. Further I would submit that in reality our citizens, many of them Muslim or Arabic, have been quite good. Not so much the ABC apparatus.
I think this is the exact problem that the department of homeland security was formed to solve. There was too much bureaucracy in the in intelligence community and nobody had a clear picture of all the information being generated, so the solution was to create an even bigger bureaucracy tasked with overseeing the already bloated bureaucracy that was in place.Instead of streamlining the problem they buried it under another layer of bureaucracy.

 
If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
Those are the same people complaining about a deficit and demanding we shrink the budget.
Meh. Most conservatives would like to see much of that system dismantled. Start with the TSA.And, to be honest, the parts of HS that are involved in counter-terrorism have been quite good at what they do for a while now. No need to screw with something that's working.
Do you think a message of "cutting defense and cutting spending on preventing a terrorist attack in the USA- another 9/11 if you will"- is going to be a point a Republican candidate can run with and win with?
 
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If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
Those are the same people complaining about a deficit and demanding we shrink the budget.
Meh. Most conservatives would like to see much of that system dismantled. Start with the TSA.And, to be honest, the parts of HS that are involved in counter-terrorism have been quite good at what they do for a while now. No need to screw with something that's working.
We have at least 12 intelligence agencies falling over each other gathering data no one ever really looks at. There is too much of it. We need to streamline this apparatus and save this country 100's of billions of dollars in the process. Further I would submit that in reality our citizens, many of them Muslim or Arabic, have been quite good. Not so much the ABC apparatus.
You are pulling this out of your ###.
 
If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
Those are the same people complaining about a deficit and demanding we shrink the budget.
Meh. Most conservatives would like to see much of that system dismantled. Start with the TSA.And, to be honest, the parts of HS that are involved in counter-terrorism have been quite good at what they do for a while now. No need to screw with something that's working.
We have at least 12 intelligence agencies falling over each other gathering data no one ever really looks at. There is too much of it. We need to streamline this apparatus and save this country 100's of billions of dollars in the process. Further I would submit that in reality our citizens, many of them Muslim or Arabic, have been quite good. Not so much the ABC apparatus.
You are pulling this out of your ###.
No I'm not:
Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.

* An estimated 854,000 people, nearly 1.5 times as many people as live in Washington, D.C., hold top-secret security clearances.

* In Washington and the surrounding area, 33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2001. Together they occupy the equivalent of almost three Pentagons or 22 U.S. Capitol buildings - about 17 million square feet of space.

* Many security and intelligence agencies do the same work, creating redundancy and waste. For example, 51 federal organizations and military commands, operating in 15 U.S. cities, track the flow of money to and from terrorist networks.

* Analysts who make sense of documents and conversations obtained by foreign and domestic spying share their judgment by publishing 50,000 intelligence reports each year - a volume so large that many are routinely ignored.

In the Department of Defense, where more than two-thirds of the intelligence programs reside, only a handful of senior officials - called Super Users - have the ability to even know about all the department's activities. But as two of the Super Users indicated in interviews, there is simply no way they can keep up with the nation's most sensitive work.

"I'm not going to live long enough to be briefed on everything" was how one Super User put it. The other recounted that for his initial briefing, he was escorted into a tiny, dark room, seated at a small table and told he couldn't take notes. Program after program began flashing on a screen, he said, until he yelled ''Stop!" in frustration.

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If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
Those are the same people complaining about a deficit and demanding we shrink the budget.
Meh. Most conservatives would like to see much of that system dismantled. Start with the TSA.And, to be honest, the parts of HS that are involved in counter-terrorism have been quite good at what they do for a while now. No need to screw with something that's working.
We have at least 12 intelligence agencies falling over each other gathering data no one ever really looks at. There is too much of it. We need to streamline this apparatus and save this country 100's of billions of dollars in the process. Further I would submit that in reality our citizens, many of them Muslim or Arabic, have been quite good. Not so much the ABC apparatus.
You are pulling this out of your ###.
That was absolutely part of the justification for the department of homeland security. You don't remember the stories about how Bob's flight school in Florida reported to the FBI that some of the terrorists were seeking flight training but weren't interested in learning how to land the plane? There were several examples given that we had pieces of info about the terrorists and what they were planning on doing in the intelligence pipeline, but that one piece was in the FBI, another was in the CIA, another was with the Florida State police, and if we had the means to connect all those pieces that 9/11 wouldn't have happened.Homeland Security was billed as the means to connect those pieces.

 
Sadly, the gov't has been put in a position where it is expected to perform the impossible. There is no way to ensure that there will never be another terrorist attack. But if there is another, they need to look like they were doing everything in it's power to have stopped it.
It hasn't happened here on over a decade. That's a pretty good sucess rate.
I do, too. But I very much agree with Rayderr's perspective here. It is an impossible mission (that of eliminating terrorists' successes entirely). A determined enemy will get through the defenses, no matter the spending rate. And we may have to ask ourselves how we're going to deal with this problem when we can no longer afford to throw gobs of money at it.
We'll never be able to completely eliminate the threats, but how do we know how much we've reduced them? There's really no way to measure how much "safer" we are today because of this spending, and how do we decide what that is worth (even if we could accurately measure it)?I agree we need to take a look at spending here and try and make it more efficient, but it's a very difficult thing to perform a cost/benefits analysis on.
 
I don't know about you guys, and I'd imagine you're in the same boat as I am, but I'm not afraid of terrorism. At all.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Dept. of Fear becomes ever-more expansive and totalitarian. In the end, it won't be that the authorities were too powerful for the civilians, but that civilians were too stupid, ignorant and pacified to do anything about it.

 
If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
Funny how well the mere suggestion that one could overreact, that we could go too far went on that yellow board in late 2001 or 2002. "It was thinking like yours" [and mine] which caused us to drop our guard you know.
 
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If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
Funny how well the mere suggestion that one could overreact, that we could go too far went on that yellow board in late 2001 or 2002. "It was thinking like yours" [and mine] which caused us to drop our guard you know.
Gotta love all the yellow board mythology.Say it enough and people will believe it, I guess.Truth is, there never was a yellow board. Look inside. You know it to be true.
 
If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
Funny how well the mere suggestion that one could overreact, that we could go too far went on that yellow board in late 2001 or 2002. "It was thinking like yours" [and mine] which caused us to drop our guard you know.
Yep.
 
Unlike most of you, I'm neither a Dem or a Republican.

Which means I agree to cuts in spending across the board, NPR, Medicare or Homeland Security....just start making smart, meaningful cuts for the love of Christ.

 
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We criminalize more of our citizens activity than arguably any other country on earth. We certainly incarcerate a higher percentage per capita.

 
I don't know about you guys, and I'd imagine you're in the same boat as I am, but I'm not afraid of terrorism. At all. Meanwhile, the U.S. Dept. of Fear becomes ever-more expansive and totalitarian. In the end, it won't be that the authorities were too powerful for the civilians, but that civilians were too stupid, ignorant and pacified to do anything about it.
Good Point! :thumbup:

 
If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
As we learned in April, "no costs is too much".
To be honest, I really don't remember a great outcry for the federal government to step up its anti-terrorist spending after Boston. But I'm oblivious to a lot of what goes on. What happened?

 
If you think it's bad now, and it is, wait until the next domestic terrorist incident. Half the FFA will be in here demanding that we double Homeland Security spending.
As we learned in April, "no costs is too much".
To be honest, I really don't remember a great outcry for the federal government to step up its anti-terrorist spending after Boston. But I'm oblivious to a lot of what goes on. What happened?
Lets just say that approaching terrorism spending in capital and freedom from a rational cost-benefit approach is not as popular as you would expect. "No cost is too much"

 
This thread seems fitting for this:

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/proof-feds-are-tracking-your-car?page=0%2C0

One morning last week, 38-year-old software developer Phil Mocek was walking to work in Seattle when he paused to photograph what appeared to be civilian vehicles parked in a restricted area near a downtown federal building. He snapped a few pictures and began walking away, when a white truck whipped out of one of the parking spots and pulled up perpendicular to the curb. A large man wearing jeans and a gray T-shirt emerged from the cab and angrily grabbed the camera from Mocek, who hollered for help and fumbled with his phone to dial 911.

Police quickly arrived on the scene, responding to Mocek’s report of a possible robbery. The black male suspect identified himself as an agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and told the officers that he was concerned about Mocek posting images of his vehicle online due to the nature of his job. The ATF agent explained that he had confiscated the camera and examined its contents because he “wanted to delete the picture that was taken of him.” Nobody was arrested.

For Mocek, the encounter was both unsettling and absurd. A gadfly for government transparency and police accountability, he has a history of prodding law enforcement to the point of exasperation. He says he was taking the pictures for an ongoing project that aims to raise awareness about law enforcement tracking vehicles on U.S. city streets and highways. The fact that a federal agent was concerned about Mocek violating his privacy rights would have been laughable if it weren’t so frightening.

“He was much, much larger than me and very intimidating,” Mocek said, describing the ATF agent, who is not named in the Seattle police report. “This huge man just jumped out of a car and grabbed my camera from me. It made me very uncomfortable.”

An ATF spokesman said the agency is aware of the incident involving Mocek but declined to comment further.

This is not the first time Mocek has tangled with federal agents. Short, with a dark beard and thick, round glasses, Mocek earned the nickname “the TSA’s worst nightmare” in 2011 for declining to show ID when boarding a domestic flight and then recording the fallout on his cellphone camera. (The ensuing misdemeanor charges were eventually dismissed.)

Mocek says he has been taking pictures of the Seattle federal building and the vehicles parked outside “two or three days a week for the past few weeks.” He is using the images to make a record of license plate numbers, which he plans to eventually publish in order to draw attention to police use of automatic license plate readers, or ALPRs. These small devices are mounted on police cruisers or objects like road signs and bridges. They use high-speed cameras to photograph and catalog thousands of license plates per minute.

According to a recent ACLU report titled “You Are Being Tracked,” 600 local and state police departments, along with federal agencies, are using ALPRs to create “enormous databases of innocent motorists’ location information.” Some of the data, including the license plate number, date, time and location of every scan, is stored indefinitely “with few or no restrictions to protect privacy rights.”

“There’s no regulations right now requiring agencies to delete these records at any time,” said Jamela Debelak, technology and liberty director for the ACLU of Washington state. “A wide variety of law enforcement agencies are doing this. They are storing this information indefinitely, which would allow them to go back and put a picture together years later of an individual’s movements.”





In Seattle, the ACLU obtained via public records request a police database that includes more than 7.3 million license plate scans. Of those, just 7,244, or .1 percent, were flagged as “hits” for stolen vehicles or other illegal activity. The remaining records, as Debelak notes in an ACLU blog post, “provide a handy means for anyone who wishes to track others.”

“We could identify, for instance, when an officer takes his patrol car home and where that officer lives,” Debelak writes. “In at least one instance, we discovered [a Seattle police detective] traveling to Portland for an overnight trip, scanning the license plates of Washingtonians and Oregonians the entire way. Thanks to the number of scans during this trip, we were even able to calculate the officer’s average rate of speed down I-5.”

Inspired by the ACLU findings, Mocek says he brainstormed “a creative way to show people why this is troublesome.” His idea is to catalog all public vehicles in Seattle – police cruisers, utility trucks, even the mayor’s car – then cross-check them with the tracking data obtained by the ACLU to piece together a history of their movements.

“If [a license plate scan] doesn’t match a stolen vehicle they should delete it right away; it doesn’t need to be a permanent record,” Mocek said. “If we can use this information that is being stored to show where the people that have power to change this policy have been all day, maybe it will become clear to them that this is invasive.”

Prior to the ATF encounter, Mocek’s photography had already provoked several confrontations with guards from Federal Protective Service, a division of Homeland Security that safeguards federal facilities. Mocek, according to a police report, had been warned before about “getting in Federal Employee faces and taking pictures.”

Although actions that disrupt law enforcement activity are grounds for a guard to intervene, FPS issued a bulletin in 2011 explicitly stating that snapshots from public sidewalks are not prohibited and photographers should be treated “in a professional and polite manner” unless there is “reasonable suspicion” of illegal or terrorist activity.

The day after his encounter with the angry ATF agent, Mocek was walking along the same stretch of sidewalk when an FPS guard pulled out his personal BlackBerry and started following him, apparently taking pictures or recording video. Mocek responded by making his own recording, which he later shared online. The irony of the situation is apparently lost on the guard, who declines to identify himself on camera.

“Is there a problem, sir?” Mocek asks the officer.

“I don’t know, is there? You tell me,” comes the reply. “Why are you blocking your face, huh?”

“Are you investigating something?”

“No, I’m just taking pictures,” the officer says. “Maybe I’m just out here taking pictures.”

Reflecting on this exchange a few days later, Mocek said he can see why guards might be suspicious of an individual repeatedly taking pictures of a skyscraper that houses offices for various law enforcement agencies, but he says that’s no excuse for the way he was treated.

“We know [the government] is keeping records of all our phone calls and all of our emails,” Mocek says. “But I take photographs on a public street of public vehicles by a public building and they flip out.”

 
More ridiculousness. "Hey, we've got this sweet equipment, so why not use it?"

13 Wisconsin officials raid animal shelter to kill baby deer named GigglesBy Jessica Chasmar

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The Washington Times

Thursday, August 1, 2013
Two weeks ago, Ray Schulze was working in a barn at the Society of St. Francis no-kill animal shelter in Kenosha, Wis., when officials swarmed the shelter with a search warrant.

"[There were] nine [Department of Natural Resources] agents and four deputy sheriffs, and they were all armed to the teeth," Mr. Schulze told WISN 12. "It was like a SWAT team."

The agents were there to retrieve a baby deer named Giggles that was dropped off by a family worried she had been abandoned by her mother, the station reported. Wisconsin law forbids the possession of wildlife.

"I said the deer is scheduled to go to the wildlife reserve the next day," Mr. Schulze told the station. "I was thinking in my mind they were going to take the deer and take it to a wildlife shelter, and here they come carrying the baby deer over their shoulder. She was in a body bag. I said, 'Why did you do that?' He said, 'That's our policy,' and I said, 'That's one hell of a policy.'"

Department of Natural Resources Supervisor Jennifer Niemeyer told WISN 12 that the law requires DNR agents to euthanize wild animals because of their potential danger.

The station asked if the raid could have been done in a less costly manner by making a phone call first.

"If a sheriff's department is going in to do a search warrant on a drug bust, they don't call them and ask them to voluntarily surrender their marijuana or whatever drug that they have before they show up," the supervisor responded.

Shelter president Cindy Schultz said she plans to sue the agency.

"They went way over the top for a little, tiny, baby deer," Miss Schultz said.

© Copyright 2013 The Washington Times, LLC.
 
Nice bump. Balko with his typical excellent article, even though I disagree with him on one key point, which is that the federal gathering of statistics and oversight is probably a bad idea. I think other important points are buried against the lede, if that makes sense, especially about police unions and the normative role that 1033 played in the federal funding of these types of equipment and operations.

 

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