KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Haven't seen much discussion about the Giant Back Field..
Lets see what people are saying
Lets see what people are saying
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Droughns is undertalented. I think Jacobs has every chance to take that job.
If looking to grab Jacobs in round 3 after going RB/WR. you can grab Droughns as a late round handcuff.
If looking to grab Jacobs in round 3 after going RB/WR. you can grab Droughns as a late round handcuff.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Round 3? I'd avoid him until round 5 or so, behind RBs like Dunn/Norwood, MB3, Turner, Tatem Bell... IOW, I'm probably not drafting him. He might be an ok RB2, but I'd let someone else take the risk in the 3rd.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Jacobs will get the TD's which will make him a capable #2 rb. That isn't saying I'm going to rush out and get him but he would be a descent #2 if needed. In my estimation he should have atleast 12 td's this year.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
by round 3 there should be about 20rb's off the board in a standard 12 team league. That sounds about right to me. He wont be around in the 5th, Obviously if Turner switches teams, he's a 2nd rounder.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Last year, the NYG RBs only accounted for 14 TDs total. Do you expect Jacobs to take almost all of those?Do you expect the Giants offense to be better than last year?
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Actually; Yes I do.. The kid as a nose for the endzone.Heres what I'm thinking..1) The Gaints weren't interested in giving another back much money at all; which explains why they didn't want to sign Rhodes. Also (I think) Rhodes wanted a certain amount of carries each yr and the Gaints could not gaurante it to him.2) They got Droughns for nothing. 3) Jacobs is a LARGE back, should not be given more than 15 to 20 carries a week. So you do need someone else there.4) 3rd yr rule; break out yr, 25 yrs old. Could be the Lamont Jordan of 2005 or Chestor Taylor of 2006. 5) My low end projections: When I look at Jacobs; I'm marking him for Corey Dillion 2006 type #s. Double dig TDs (*baring Injury). Not bad at all if you get him in the 4th or later.Thats my take.
poopdawg
Footballguy
Why do you keep caling them the Gaints?
I would much rather have Jacobs at this point. He got his TDs even with Tiki there last year. I think his TDs will only increase as well as yardage obviously. I wouldnt stretch to get him, but I would be satisfied with him as a low end #2/high end #3.
I would much rather have Jacobs at this point. He got his TDs even with Tiki there last year. I think his TDs will only increase as well as yardage obviously. I wouldnt stretch to get him, but I would be satisfied with him as a low end #2/high end #3.
-OZ-
Footballguy
1) ok2) Doesn't matter, but you're right that the job is Jacobs to lose.3) agreed4) 3rd year rule? great, but that supposably applies to WRs and this is his 2nd year5) If Jacobs were on the Patriots, I'd agree. He isn't, and there is a difference.I just see a drop off for the offense without Tiki. They won't be able to move the ball as well, thus they won't be close to the end zone as often. I see Shockey playing more of a role in the offense if he gets/keeps his head on straight.
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Banger
Footballguy
I think you're forgetting that Tiki moved the ball all the way down the field and Jacobs got some goal line plunges. Tiki was the straw that stirred the Giants offense and it remains to be seen if anyone will step up in that offense. Manning often struggled in that offense with Tiki running at an all pro level so who's to say that either Jacobs or Droughns will be able to effectively move the chains. It's not a given at all IMO and I could definitely see their offense taking a big step back this year. Don't underestimate the loss of a debatable HOF'er on their offense. This 12+ TD's talk is a stretch and could easily see 6-7.
I don't see either RB making a real impact this year. I think at best they make a decent bye week filler. I see Jacobs and Droughns getting pretty even number of carries. Probably 10-12 carries a piece. Of course Jacobs is the better option due to goal line carries. I see them drafting a RB late in the first day that will eat into even more of their carries.
Warpig
Footballguy
Jacobs = Moe WilliamsI think the "Gaints" will see alot of 8 or 9 man fronts from defenses this year with the loss of Tiki. I don't think Eli scares anyone. Last year you had to honor Shockey, Plax, and the bread-n-butta Tiki so they couldn't really stack the LOS unless they wanted to risk getting burned by Tiki. This year, I don't think people are gonna fear a running game featuring Droughns and Jacobs. I think defenses will blitz Eli like crazy knowing he'll make mistakes, thus causing the "Gaints" to fall behind and pass more. If anything, I'd want Shockey or Plax this year.p.s.who is their 3rd down back or passing downs back? Chad Morton?
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jacobs is at best, an RB3 in a PPR league, and a marginal RB2 in conventional scoring. either way i really wouldn't touch him until round 4, and would have to be desperate to do it then.
on the other hand, i like droughns as a late round pick up. he has at least shown some ability to catch a pass, and could see playing time quickly if jacobs falters early.
on the other hand, i like droughns as a late round pick up. he has at least shown some ability to catch a pass, and could see playing time quickly if jacobs falters early.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
cant wait for HK's take on the situation.
Love the Moe Williams comparison
Love the Moe Williams comparison
Banger
Footballguy
Agreed and until Jacobs/Droughns can prove that they can make defenses pay they will be facing a lot of stacked fronts. Both guys are essentially plodders so they won't be breaking away from any defenses like Tiki frequently did. Also, I don't think the Giants line is particularly good so the more I'm thinking about the situation in NY I'm thinking it could be a long year for big blue. The NFL has already got the book on Manning and it remains to be seen if he can overcome the deer in headlights look and remain calm in the face of a blitz. Basically their year revolves around Manning.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
hmmmmmm.. Jacobs been playing since 2005 Bud.. making 2007 his 3rd yr.# 27 Brandon Jacobs Position: RBHeight: 6-4Weight: 264Born: 07/06/1982College: Southern IllinoisNFL Experience: 3 One thing I do like is that last yr he had a 4.4yd avg per carry and a 13.5yd avg per rec
on 11 recs. Also; in 2006, he had 9 games where he recieved 5 carries or more and his avg was 4 yds or better.Isn't this the previous poster talking about DWill. Let me guess, you drafted D Will and Jacobs in a dynasty league. Quit looking for praise for these two guys, the truth of the matter is they just aren't that good. I'm sure they are your RB3's so that should be okay but if you thinking as them as putting up consistent #'s for a RB2, you are in big trouble.
ThisGuy
Ignored by Nipsey
I wouldn't call Jacobs a plodder. The guy can run. He's been used as a short yardage back because of his size and because of Tiki, but Jacobs has speed to get to the corner and can make people miss.Getting a healthy Amani Toomer back is very key to the Giants offense. Eli is much more confident with Toomer out there. I hope they draft a receiver soon who will work with Eli like Amani has. Plax and Shockey refuse to workout up here and it is negatively affecting Eli.Agreed and until Jacobs/Droughns can prove that they can make defenses pay they will be facing a lot of stacked fronts. Both guys are essentially plodders so they won't be breaking away from any defenses like Tiki frequently did. Also, I don't think the Giants line is particularly good so the more I'm thinking about the situation in NY I'm thinking it could be a long year for big blue. The NFL has already got the book on Manning and it remains to be seen if he can overcome the deer in headlights look and remain calm in the face of a blitz. Basically their year revolves around Manning.Jacobs = Moe Williams
I think the "Gaints" will see alot of 8 or 9 man fronts from defenses this year with the loss of Tiki. I don't think Eli scares anyone. Last year you had to honor Shockey, Plax, and the bread-n-butta Tiki so they couldn't really stack the LOS unless they wanted to risk getting burned by Tiki. This year, I don't think people are gonna fear a running game featuring Droughns and Jacobs. I think defenses will blitz Eli like crazy knowing he'll make mistakes, thus causing the "Gaints" to fall behind and pass more. If anything, I'd want Shockey or Plax this year.
Cenobite
Footballguy
Moe Williams? The 6'1" 205 lbs, only had 1 season of 100 carries, had more than 60 receptions in a season, Moe Williams? Jacobs will have more than 100 rushing attempts by week 6 or 7. No comparison to Moe at all in their style but for that each have handled goal line/short yardage duties.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Again.. go though that other thread and quote where I praise DWill.. because I never Did..And if you go in there; you will see that I did draft all 3 guys to play musical chairs w/ as my #2.UCSBgerry said:
Restricted
Footballguy
It will be worth while to watch the Giants closely this preseason. The last two, Jacobs went crazy-berserk but it was against "second team". If Jacobs looks decent I'll expect a solid season from him baring injury.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I was joking
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
If I can not go on here and ask people's opnions about Players.... what is the point of this site?
I wouldn't call Jacobs a plodder. The guy can run. He's been used as a short yardage back because of his size and because of Tiki, but Jacobs has speed to get to the corner and can make people miss
how on earth could you possibly miss a 260 lb back. getting run over is one thing, but if you couldn't connect with that much mass, you have no business being on the field. i havn't watched alot of jacobs, but getting to the corner, is not the same as getting around the corner.
if this dude could turn the corner, and make people miss, at 260, then he should be the 1st back off the board. forget LT, and SJAX.
how on earth could you possibly miss a 260 lb back. getting run over is one thing, but if you couldn't connect with that much mass, you have no business being on the field. i havn't watched alot of jacobs, but getting to the corner, is not the same as getting around the corner.
if this dude could turn the corner, and make people miss, at 260, then he should be the 1st back off the board. forget LT, and SJAX.
dparker713
Footballguy
how on earth could you possibly miss a 260 lb back. getting run over is one thing, but if you couldn't connect with that much mass, you have no business being on the field. i havn't watched alot of jacobs, but getting to the corner, is not the same as getting around the corner.
if this dude could turn the corner, and make people miss, at 260, then he should be the 1st back off the board. forget LT, and SJAX.
He doesn't have the lateral quickness of the best RBs, but he is certainly fast and accelarates very well in a straight line. He'll be best in a one cut system.
I just don't understand the people that expect him to have a full split with Droughns. This was possibly the best backup signing for Jacobs and he brings next to nothing to the table. Based on opportunity alone he'll be able to post low end RB2 numbers at 20 carries per game. Unless he is truly horrible or gets injured, he's the primary ballcarrier for the Giants next year.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
He has too split carries.. a big Back like that is going to have a short career if he doesn't.. they have to try to give him 20 or under a week.
A fresher Jacobs is much better than a injuried/half-hearted Jacobs
A fresher Jacobs is much better than a injuried/half-hearted Jacobs
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
I think his upside is Mike Alstott type numbers during his prime. He just isn't a guy who is going to be a feature RB.
800-1,100 yards/8-10 TD's seems about right.
800-1,100 yards/8-10 TD's seems about right.
dparker713
Footballguy
All RBs have short careers. This is a win now league, especially with Eli heading into year 4. And if you've watched Jacobs, he doesn't take that many big hits. He'll average 20-25 touches per game. He's their primary back with highly limited competition. They didn't bring Reuben in to get a 50/50 split.
zamboni
Footballguy
That's my take on the situation. This team IMO is really going to miss Tiki and the dimension he brought to the offense. I haven't written off Eli yet, but he's going to have to carry the team. And that's not a comforting thought for Giants fans.
nygiants56
Footballguy
I don't put much faith in either, really..
defenses had to respect Barber,but now, they'll just put an extra man in the box and dare the Giants to run.
Kevin Gilbride ,as an OC, s-u-c-k-s...he's going to try the old chuck-n-duck routine
that got him slapped by Buddy Ryan years ago..
this is going to be a long season for the Giants, imo.
Jacobs hasn't proven he can carry the load , I'm always a bit worried about first time starters who are expected to run 275-300 times, or more..I don't buy into the hype around Jacobs. People seem to think he's another LJ, but he's more like a Craig Heyward-type than anything else..
we dont' need to get into the history of 260+ lb RBs who've succeeded in the NFL. only 2 have,Okoye and Heyward. Heyward had only one 1,000 yard season. Bettis was a big back, but listed at 'just' 243 lbs. I just don't see Jacobs as being good to be a full time back in this league..big backs don't last long.
even Stacey Mack fell be the wayside when given the starting gig in Jax.
Droughns is a mudder, he's too slow to be effective behind this line..
in this first year with Gilbride as offensive coordinator, all I can think about , is that this season is going to be a
defenses had to respect Barber,but now, they'll just put an extra man in the box and dare the Giants to run.
Kevin Gilbride ,as an OC, s-u-c-k-s...he's going to try the old chuck-n-duck routine
that got him slapped by Buddy Ryan years ago..
this is going to be a long season for the Giants, imo.
Jacobs hasn't proven he can carry the load , I'm always a bit worried about first time starters who are expected to run 275-300 times, or more..I don't buy into the hype around Jacobs. People seem to think he's another LJ, but he's more like a Craig Heyward-type than anything else..
we dont' need to get into the history of 260+ lb RBs who've succeeded in the NFL. only 2 have,Okoye and Heyward. Heyward had only one 1,000 yard season. Bettis was a big back, but listed at 'just' 243 lbs. I just don't see Jacobs as being good to be a full time back in this league..big backs don't last long.
even Stacey Mack fell be the wayside when given the starting gig in Jax.
Droughns is a mudder, he's too slow to be effective behind this line..
in this first year with Gilbride as offensive coordinator, all I can think about , is that this season is going to be a
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Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
I voted avoid it, I just don't see either guy being the lead back.
Jacobs is interesting. I can see him having some very good games where he gets 15+ carries and a couple of TDs. But I see an equal number of games where he is under 50 yards. I think his real value is tied to how many TDs he scores, could be 6-8, could be 15. I don't see huge yards, though, so he's not reliable, imo.
RB4 with decent upside, depending on TDs.
Jacobs is interesting. I can see him having some very good games where he gets 15+ carries and a couple of TDs. But I see an equal number of games where he is under 50 yards. I think his real value is tied to how many TDs he scores, could be 6-8, could be 15. I don't see huge yards, though, so he's not reliable, imo.
RB4 with decent upside, depending on TDs.
Wouldn't stretch? low end 2nd/early 3rd? You just did the splits, then invited someone to sit on top of you. It will take 12 months just to get your knees to touch again.He got his TDs BECAUSE of Tiki. Tiki was putting up 1,800-2,000 total yards a year. He was the offense. He was a probowl RB. Take that out, and we now have to rely on Eli to get us down the field? He's a poor man's TJ Duckett. Duckett has some speed, he could slide around and get some yards. And he's garbage. And Duckett will NEVER start for anyone. Jacobs is great for short yardage and the low end of a RBBC. Jacobs would be in a wheelchair if he ever got 300 carries. He can't make anyone miss, he runs in a straight line, and LBs are going to be teeing off on him. He weighs a little more then Jamal Lewis, with NONE of the moves, and 1/4 the speed. You simply can't be a feature RB unless you can make people miss. Sorry won't work. You simply can't run over people all year long. And you're going to take him as your 2nd player in the draft? Gotta be kidding me. You're going to skip over Q1-3 and WR2-5 for Jacobs? Really take Jacobs over a MUST start top 10 wr? C'mon now. Let someone else gamble on a fatter TJ Duckett. He has no shot at top 5 RB, little shot at top 10, so at BEST he can justify where you took him. And that's a long shot. So for that spot he has no upside, with mountains of downside. Seriously.
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Ned
Footballguy
people are underestimating what tiki did for this team.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
footballfreek
Footballguy
The Giants carried the ball 451 times between Barber and Jacobs. The defenses had 8 men in the box last year for the most part for the lack of fear for the passing attack so not much will change there. Jacobs averaged 4.39 a carry with many of them short yardage. So how will the Giants distribute the carries is the question? So to try to make it simple let’s just say the breakdown is similar to what’s below.
Jacobs 50% of the carries= 225 carries x 4.4 = 990
Jacobs 60% = 270 x 4.4 = 1190
Jacobs 70% = 315 x 4.4 = 1389
O.K. you get the point. Until the Giants bring in someone other than Droughns to compete for the carries it’s my opinion that Jacobs should see somewhere in the 60-70% range of carries and should see most of the goal line duties.
So my projections for Jacobs is 1255 rush 230 rec and 11 Tds
Of course this could change should they draft a RB to compete for those carries.
Jacobs 50% of the carries= 225 carries x 4.4 = 990
Jacobs 60% = 270 x 4.4 = 1190
Jacobs 70% = 315 x 4.4 = 1389
O.K. you get the point. Until the Giants bring in someone other than Droughns to compete for the carries it’s my opinion that Jacobs should see somewhere in the 60-70% range of carries and should see most of the goal line duties.
So my projections for Jacobs is 1255 rush 230 rec and 11 Tds
Of course this could change should they draft a RB to compete for those carries.
yellowdog
Footballguy
He didn't say 2nd or 3rd round. He said low End #2 RB or high end #3, which would put him in the 20-28 range in a 12 team league. FYI, he finished #30 in my league last year. Not a real stretch to see him in the mid 20's. And :( at fatter.
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footballfreek
Footballguy
Some highlghts from Jacobs for those who don't believe he has speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUsWASF06tc
Southern Illinois' RB Brandon Jacobs showed good straight-line speed (4.56 40) at his size (6-4 267) his cone numbers and shuttle numbers were a bit slow but why bother to wiggle when you can just run them over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUsWASF06tc
Southern Illinois' RB Brandon Jacobs showed good straight-line speed (4.56 40) at his size (6-4 267) his cone numbers and shuttle numbers were a bit slow but why bother to wiggle when you can just run them over
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I guess you haven't been reading the other posts...No one should be taking Jacobs until the 4th; and that might be a reach.
Heres whats good about a pick like Jacobs.
You could Go RB/QB or WR/QB or WR or TE/Jacobs... Isn't that what low end #2 means??????
You could Go RB/QB or WR or RB/QB or WR or TE or RB/Jacobs... Isn't that what high end #3 means??????
Why stop with Jacobs? Lets go find the Giants a new RB!Turner 6.3ypc 50% of the carries = 225 carries = 1417Turner 6.3ypc 60% of the carries = 270 carries = 1701Turner 6.3ypc 70% of the carries = 315 carries = 1984Clearly the Giants should trade for Turner, those numbers are insane!Wait a second, lets run the numbers with Michael Bennett.Bennett 5.3ypc 50% of the carries = 225 carries = 1260Bennett 5.3ypc 60% of the carries = 270 carries = 1431Bennett 5.3ypc 70% of the carries = 315 carries = 16701,670 yards, and you can probably get him cheap. Sweet. Wait a second...Norwood 6.4ypc 50% of the carries = 225 carries = 1440Norwood 6.4ypc 60% of the carries = 270 carries = 1728Norwood 6.4ypc 70% of the carries = 315 carries = 2016Holy crap, if they deal 2 1sts for Norwood, they'd lock up a 2000 yard rusher. That's insane. Someone seriously needs to forward this to Jerry Reese.If Ronde showed up at training camp, they'd rip the starting jersey off both Droughns/Jacobs and tell them to go get Tiki some water. And despite having just signed a 1,000 yard rusher, they might go draft a RB. That says a lot about how secure they feel about Jacobs. If they thought for a second Jacobs could be a starting RB, they'd roll with Jacobs/Ward.
Was I talking to you?He said late 2nd early 3rd, and thats what I responded to. Go back to pimping your flyer dynasty picks please.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
This is my exact take...I think Jacobs TDs will make him a decent #2 RB in non pprs.Droughns is kind of sneaky because Jacobs isn't guaranteed to last the season since he's never seen a significant amount of carries. Droughns is a guy I'd like to stash on my depth chart but wouldn't expect much from him without a Jacobs injury.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I post that the Panthers redo Foster's contract and I'm pimping my "Flyer" picks...
footballfreek
Footballguy
In case you didn't notice none of those players are on the roster. How in hell do you know if Jacobs is capable of carrying the load until he's given a chance. If Droughns was so great why did Cleveland show him the streets.It's ignorance like that allows the sharks to get players like Jacobs for a 4th round rookie pick.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
They got that 1000 yd rusher for peanuts (Tim Carter
)... then; made him sign a new contract that reduces his pay by almost 50%.hmmmm; that does say they have confidence in Jacobs.....News: Reuben Droughns' new contract with the Giants chopped his potential earnings in half, according to the Newark Star-Ledger.Impact: His '07 pay was reduced from $1.25 million to $750,000, his 2008 salary from $1.75 million to $1 million, and his '09 salary was cut to $1.25 million from $2.75 million. The $1.75 million roster bonus he was due in early March was changed to a $1.5 million prorated signing bonus. It's a backup's contract. (Wed. Mar 14, 2007
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
No they wouldnt
Amazing. Jacobs has averaged about 65 carries per year over the last two years, but Droughns has averaged 265. Yet somehow that makes people confident that Jacobs will get 320 carries in 2007?Trivia question: How many RBs had 320 carries in 2006?Answer: 7 (LT, LJ, SJax, Barber, Parker, RJohnson, Edge)Trivia question: Of the top fifty fantasy RBs, how many had 20 carries per game in 2006?Answer: 9 (the seven above plus Alexander and CTaylor)
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