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Trading for Ahmad Bradshaw!!!

With the Cleveland Browns having traded for Trent Richardson they do not have a need for Bradshaw anymore. Donald Brown can play the 3rd down role and Bradshaw will not be happy in a straight backup role now that he's healthy but I doubt Richardson will ever come off of the field anyways. Plus the Colts can recoup a draft pick in return while still upgrading their running game with Richardson.

The Giants on the other hand can hugely upgrade their backfield without having to pay too much in draft picks (a 4th round pick should get him or a 3rd at most) or salary ($1.1 million veteran minimum that only counts $700k against the cap, although I don't know if the veteran minimum exception follows him in a trade). He already knows the offense and would instantly be able to step in and start without having to cram an entire playbook down his throat over the next 3-4 weeks.

Does this trade make too much sense. It makes sense from all viewpoints and the normal stumbling block (fitting salary under the cap) shouldn't be a problem because it is a veteran minimum deal. On top of that the Colts would be trading him out of conference, so there is less of a chance of it coming to kill them in the playoffs, unless they both make the super bowl.

What do you guys think? Who has Jerry Reese's phone number? Lets make this happen. (I also want this to happen because I had Bradshaw starting in a PPR league and because of the Richardson trade he has become essentially useless to me, especially since the Richardson owner doesn't believe in handcuffs). I know trades of starting caliber players almost never happen but this is a situation when all parties could gain something and get better (Giants in the short term and the Colts in the long term, but they already greatly helped themselves in the short term with the Richardson trade).

 
Oh god...

Bradshaw is a great fit in that offense but I think theres just too much bad blood - they won't pay what Bradshaw wants and I could see Bradshaw dragging his feet at his current salary.

Plus, Bradshaw is just fine in Indy - don't see this happening.

 
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Trading for Ahmad Bradshaw!!!

With the Cleveland Browns having traded for Trent Richardson they do not have a need for Bradshaw anymore. Donald Brown can play the 3rd down role and Bradshaw will not be happy in a straight backup role now that he's healthy but I doubt Richardson will ever come off of the field anyways. Plus the Colts can recoup a draft pick in return while still upgrading their running game with Richardson.

The Giants on the other hand can hugely upgrade their backfield without having to pay too much in draft picks (a 4th round pick should get him or a 3rd at most) or salary ($1.1 million veteran minimum that only counts $700k against the cap, although I don't know if the veteran minimum exception follows him in a trade). He already knows the offense and would instantly be able to step in and start without having to cram an entire playbook down his throat over the next 3-4 weeks.

Does this trade make too much sense. It makes sense from all viewpoints and the normal stumbling block (fitting salary under the cap) shouldn't be a problem because it is a veteran minimum deal. On top of that the Colts would be trading him out of conference, so there is less of a chance of it coming to kill them in the playoffs, unless they both make the super bowl.

What do you guys think? Who has Jerry Reese's phone number? Lets make this happen. (I also want this to happen because I had Bradshaw starting in a PPR league and because of the Richardson trade he has become essentially useless to me, especially since the Richardson owner doesn't believe in handcuffs). I know trades of starting caliber players almost never happen but this is a situation when all parties could gain something and get better (Giants in the short term and the Colts in the long term, but they already greatly helped themselves in the short term with the Richardson trade).
That makes sense ... Let him walk then give up a draft pick to get him back.

Bradshaw had a lower yards per carry than Brown and Wilson last year

Lower TD per Touch % than both

And Guess what he FUMBLED 3 times more than either of them

 
IFFFFF Wilson doesn't get it going, which I believe he will, then eventually Michael Cox could get a shot.

I don't believe in Scott or Jacobs.

 
This will be laughed out the building but they ought to give Hynoski a shot.

At 6'1", 244, run him up the gut and off tackle until the defense begs for mercy, then swing it out wide to D-Dub. Give him the rock, boss.

 
By handing it to Wilson 20 times.

Bradshaw owners are still butt chapped the Giants released him. They are also half the reason the David Wilson Bandwagon thread is a gazillion pages. Get over it.

 
Trading for Ahmad Bradshaw!!!

With the Cleveland Browns having traded for Trent Richardson they do not have a need for Bradshaw anymore. Donald Brown can play the 3rd down role and Bradshaw will not be happy in a straight backup role now that he's healthy but I doubt Richardson will ever come off of the field anyways. Plus the Colts can recoup a draft pick in return while still upgrading their running game with Richardson.

The Giants on the other hand can hugely upgrade their backfield without having to pay too much in draft picks (a 4th round pick should get him or a 3rd at most) or salary ($1.1 million veteran minimum that only counts $700k against the cap, although I don't know if the veteran minimum exception follows him in a trade). He already knows the offense and would instantly be able to step in and start without having to cram an entire playbook down his throat over the next 3-4 weeks.

Does this trade make too much sense. It makes sense from all viewpoints and the normal stumbling block (fitting salary under the cap) shouldn't be a problem because it is a veteran minimum deal. On top of that the Colts would be trading him out of conference, so there is less of a chance of it coming to kill them in the playoffs, unless they both make the super bowl.

What do you guys think? Who has Jerry Reese's phone number? Lets make this happen. (I also want this to happen because I had Bradshaw starting in a PPR league and because of the Richardson trade he has become essentially useless to me, especially since the Richardson owner doesn't believe in handcuffs). I know trades of starting caliber players almost never happen but this is a situation when all parties could gain something and get better (Giants in the short term and the Colts in the long term, but they already greatly helped themselves in the short term with the Richardson trade).
That makes sense ... Let him walk then give up a draft pick to get him back.

Bradshaw had a lower yards per carry than Brown and Wilson last year

Lower TD per Touch % than both

And Guess what he FUMBLED 3 times more than either of them
Although not entirely untrue, it's mislreading.

Their YPC were all very close: Brown (5.3), Wilson (5.0), and Bradshaw (4.6)

It's pretty safe to say that both the YPC and TDPC is skewed because of the huge disparity in their volume of carries. Bradshaw carried the ball 148 times more than Brown, and 150 times more than Wilson. That means he's in on more obvious running downs, near the goaline, and while they are running off the clock.

Also, you're just plain wrong on the fumble statistic. Bradshaw fumbled 3 times in 2013 (on 221 carries) versus Wilson's 1(Brown 0). Wilson has fumbled twice this year in 14 carries.

Overall, it's a terrible argument as to who is superior player - even statistically.

 
The Giants could fix their RB trouble by...
... playing good defense and building and holding a lead.

77 points allowed in 2 games? Bad defense, being out of position and playing from behind is no way to live in the NFL.

 
I want to see the Hynocerous dance. But seriously don't think Ahmad Bradshaw will fix anything. The run blocking needs to improve first.

 
Why doesn't anyone believe in DaRel Scott?
From what I watched of him, he looked pretty good actually.

Read a few articles also on how hes out there to prove that they don't need to go out and look for another RB to fill the position.
When given opportunities, hes made the most out of them...

I hope he gets a shot.

 
The Giants could fix their RB trouble by...
... playing good defense and building and holding a lead.

77 points allowed in 2 games? Bad defense, being out of position and playing from behind is no way to live in the NFL.
The defense hasn't been that bad actually

The offense has turned the ball over 10 damn times in 2 games. That is putting the defense in a bad position.

A few of those 77 points have been pick 6's and special team TD's

 
Trading for Ahmad Bradshaw!!!

With the Cleveland Browns having traded for Trent Richardson they do not have a need for Bradshaw anymore. Donald Brown can play the 3rd down role and Bradshaw will not be happy in a straight backup role now that he's healthy but I doubt Richardson will ever come off of the field anyways. Plus the Colts can recoup a draft pick in return while still upgrading their running game with Richardson.

The Giants on the other hand can hugely upgrade their backfield without having to pay too much in draft picks (a 4th round pick should get him or a 3rd at most) or salary ($1.1 million veteran minimum that only counts $700k against the cap, although I don't know if the veteran minimum exception follows him in a trade). He already knows the offense and would instantly be able to step in and start without having to cram an entire playbook down his throat over the next 3-4 weeks.

Does this trade make too much sense. It makes sense from all viewpoints and the normal stumbling block (fitting salary under the cap) shouldn't be a problem because it is a veteran minimum deal. On top of that the Colts would be trading him out of conference, so there is less of a chance of it coming to kill them in the playoffs, unless they both make the super bowl.

What do you guys think? Who has Jerry Reese's phone number? Lets make this happen. (I also want this to happen because I had Bradshaw starting in a PPR league and because of the Richardson trade he has become essentially useless to me, especially since the Richardson owner doesn't believe in handcuffs). I know trades of starting caliber players almost never happen but this is a situation when all parties could gain something and get better (Giants in the short term and the Colts in the long term, but they already greatly helped themselves in the short term with the Richardson trade).
That makes sense ... Let him walk then give up a draft pick to get him back.Bradshaw had a lower yards per carry than Brown and Wilson last year

Lower TD per Touch % than both

And Guess what he FUMBLED 3 times more than either of them
This does make sense because since they decided to let Bradshaw walk:

1. Bradshaw finally had the foot surgery that he had needed for 3 years and is fully healthy for the first time in those same 3 years!

2. David Wilson is still playing like a young Tiki Barber (aka "The Fumble Machine").

3. Andre Brown broke his leg and is out until after their bye (week 10)

For these reasons the Giants would definitely be willing to send a draft pick for a quality starting RB that knows there system and is healthy. There is no question that if given the opportunity the Giants would absolutely love to get Bradshaw back. The only question is whether Indy still has plans for him because if not there are at least a handful of teams that would be willing to send a pick for Bradshaw now that he has proven to be healthy. I am hanging on to him in the hopes he gets on to the roster of one of those teams (Giants, Steelers, Cardinals, etc...)

 
The Giants could fix their RB trouble by...
... playing good defense and building and holding a lead.

77 points allowed in 2 games? Bad defense, being out of position and playing from behind is no way to live in the NFL.
21 of those points came while the D was on the sideline.

You're right, but did feel the need to point that out
Yeah, actually their defense has been extremely solid in both games until the second half. When you're on the field for about 2/3 of the first half in both games it's logical that eventually they just get to worn out and can't keep up. If they could build a running game and have Eli not averaging 3.5 INTs a game? The defense may actually prove to be pretty good. They've actually been extremely solid in pass protection so far and they have been stuffing runs early and often. Both games Knowshon and Murray had almost nothing until the second half hit. I really think the entire key that's keeping this team from clicking and being rather impressive is the complete lack of a running game.

Cause on top of those 21 points I believe like 4-5 of the turnovers of their 10 were given up on their own side of the field. The offense is shooting the whole team in the foot right now. If the offense had 3 turnovers instead of 10 right now? They'd be 2-0.

 
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Why doesn't anyone believe in DaRel Scott?

From what I watched of him, he looked pretty good actually.

Read a few articles also on how hes out there to prove that they don't need to go out and look for another RB to fill the position.

When given opportunities, hes made the most out of them...

I hope he gets a shot.
Hes just not that good

 
Trading for Ahmad Bradshaw!!!

With the Cleveland Browns having traded for Trent Richardson they do not have a need for Bradshaw anymore. Donald Brown can play the 3rd down role and Bradshaw will not be happy in a straight backup role now that he's healthy but I doubt Richardson will ever come off of the field anyways. Plus the Colts can recoup a draft pick in return while still upgrading their running game with Richardson.

The Giants on the other hand can hugely upgrade their backfield without having to pay too much in draft picks (a 4th round pick should get him or a 3rd at most) or salary ($1.1 million veteran minimum that only counts $700k against the cap, although I don't know if the veteran minimum exception follows him in a trade). He already knows the offense and would instantly be able to step in and start without having to cram an entire playbook down his throat over the next 3-4 weeks.

Does this trade make too much sense. It makes sense from all viewpoints and the normal stumbling block (fitting salary under the cap) shouldn't be a problem because it is a veteran minimum deal. On top of that the Colts would be trading him out of conference, so there is less of a chance of it coming to kill them in the playoffs, unless they both make the super bowl.

What do you guys think? Who has Jerry Reese's phone number? Lets make this happen. (I also want this to happen because I had Bradshaw starting in a PPR league and because of the Richardson trade he has become essentially useless to me, especially since the Richardson owner doesn't believe in handcuffs). I know trades of starting caliber players almost never happen but this is a situation when all parties could gain something and get better (Giants in the short term and the Colts in the long term, but they already greatly helped themselves in the short term with the Richardson trade).
That makes sense ... Let him walk then give up a draft pick to get him back.Bradshaw had a lower yards per carry than Brown and Wilson last year

Lower TD per Touch % than both

And Guess what he FUMBLED 3 times more than either of them
This does make sense because since they decided to let Bradshaw walk:

1. Bradshaw finally had the foot surgery that he had needed for 3 years and is fully healthy for the first time in those same 3 years (Not sure where you got this but - See Below)

2. David Wilson is still playing like a young Tiki Barber (aka "The Fumble Machine"). Also the greatest RB in Giants History and Borderline hall of famer

3. Andre Brown broke his leg and is out until after their bye (week 10) - I wouldn't be surprised if Andre Brown never played again

For these reasons the Giants would definitely be willing to send a draft pick for a quality starting RB that knows there system and is healthy. There is no question that if given the opportunity the Giants would absolutely love to get Bradshaw back. The only question is whether Indy still has plans for him because if not there are at least a handful of teams that would be willing to send a pick for Bradshaw now that he has proven to be healthy. I am hanging on to him in the hopes he gets on to the roster of one of those teams (Giants, Steelers, Cardinals, etc...)
This is from 2011
Running back Ahmad Bradshaw underwent surgery on his left ankle over the weekend, the New York Giants confirmed on Monday.
The procedure was done to clean out Bradshaw's ankle.

He underwent the same surgery to his right ankle in addition to surgeries on both of his feet last year (2010)

2012
Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw Has Bone Marrow Injection in Foot

2013
The latest surgery is to replace a screw with a bigger one that will go through the bone originally fractured in 2009 as well as the one cracked in 2011.

Fantasy news - Colts trade for Trent
The Colts clearly had no faith Bradshaws troublesome feet would hold up over the grind of a 16-game season.
 
Trading for Ahmad Bradshaw!!!

With the Cleveland Browns having traded for Trent Richardson they do not have a need for Bradshaw anymore. Donald Brown can play the 3rd down role and Bradshaw will not be happy in a straight backup role now that he's healthy but I doubt Richardson will ever come off of the field anyways. Plus the Colts can recoup a draft pick in return while still upgrading their running game with Richardson.

The Giants on the other hand can hugely upgrade their backfield without having to pay too much in draft picks (a 4th round pick should get him or a 3rd at most) or salary ($1.1 million veteran minimum that only counts $700k against the cap, although I don't know if the veteran minimum exception follows him in a trade). He already knows the offense and would instantly be able to step in and start without having to cram an entire playbook down his throat over the next 3-4 weeks.

Does this trade make too much sense. It makes sense from all viewpoints and the normal stumbling block (fitting salary under the cap) shouldn't be a problem because it is a veteran minimum deal. On top of that the Colts would be trading him out of conference, so there is less of a chance of it coming to kill them in the playoffs, unless they both make the super bowl.

What do you guys think? Who has Jerry Reese's phone number? Lets make this happen. (I also want this to happen because I had Bradshaw starting in a PPR league and because of the Richardson trade he has become essentially useless to me, especially since the Richardson owner doesn't believe in handcuffs). I know trades of starting caliber players almost never happen but this is a situation when all parties could gain something and get better (Giants in the short term and the Colts in the long term, but they already greatly helped themselves in the short term with the Richardson trade).
That makes sense ... Let him walk then give up a draft pick to get him back.Bradshaw had a lower yards per carry than Brown and Wilson last year

Lower TD per Touch % than both

And Guess what he FUMBLED 3 times more than either of them
This does make sense because since they decided to let Bradshaw walk:

1. Bradshaw finally had the foot surgery that he had needed for 3 years and is fully healthy for the first time in those same 3 years (Not sure where you got this but - See Below)

2. David Wilson is still playing like a young Tiki Barber (aka "The Fumble Machine"). Also the greatest RB in Giants History and Borderline hall of famer

3. Andre Brown broke his leg and is out until after their bye (week 10) - I wouldn't be surprised if Andre Brown never played again

For these reasons the Giants would definitely be willing to send a draft pick for a quality starting RB that knows there system and is healthy. There is no question that if given the opportunity the Giants would absolutely love to get Bradshaw back. The only question is whether Indy still has plans for him because if not there are at least a handful of teams that would be willing to send a pick for Bradshaw now that he has proven to be healthy. I am hanging on to him in the hopes he gets on to the roster of one of those teams (Giants, Steelers, Cardinals, etc...)
This is from 2011Running back Ahmad Bradshaw underwent surgery on his left ankle over the weekend, the New York Giants confirmed on Monday.

The procedure was done to clean out Bradshaw's ankle.

He underwent the same surgery to his right ankle in addition to surgeries on both of his feet last year (2010)

2012

Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw Has Bone Marrow Injection in Foot

2013

The latest surgery is to replace a screw with a bigger one that will go through the bone originally fractured in 2009 as well as the one cracked in 2011.

Fantasy news - Colts trade for Trent

The Colts clearly had no faith Bradshaws troublesome feet would hold up over the grind of a 16-game season.
Everything I read said that this last surgery that he had was the one he had been avoiding because of the long rehab time (the reason he was signed so late in the offseason), but was something the Giants had wanted him to have over his last couple years with the team. Don't really see what you are trying to get at. He had foot surgery, which I said, and it was something the Giants wanted him to have earlier but he didn't.?

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As for the Tiki Barber comment did you notice the word "YOUNG" before the name. Tiki Barber was on the verge of being cut and out of football. He was a good, inconsistent running back that could not hold on to the ball. Almost an identical situation to Wilson. Now all he has to do is gain Coughlin's trust by pretty much never fumbling again, and until he gains Cougjlins trust, which will take time, Coughlin will be looking for a reliable back. Or Coughlin can go and get a back that already has his trust (Bradshaw), albeit he was very injury prone and a little bit of a headache on his own.

BTW the words Tiki Barber and Hall of Fame should never be in the same sentence. For every really good season he had, he had 2 seasons with less than 1,000 yards rushing. When looking at a hall of fame career you can't just ignore the first 6 years of his career (which is also the point in Tiki's career that I compare David Wilson to)

 
I'm a Giants fan ... and have been since the 80's. I am also a Bradshaw owner, AND a T-Rich owner, so I would love to see this happen, but I don't think it will. Here's why:

Coughlin and the Giants history re: trades

Coughlin is the kinda guy, who pressed by another coach, "You NEED to make this trade." is just gonna tell that guy to go sit and spin. 4th round pick? No way. Yeah, I think it's pretty clear the Giants wanted Doug Martin in the draft they got Wilson, and had they traded up one spot .... not one round, ONE SPOT ... they coulda had Martin. But no ... eff you, you wanna take him ... take him. Anyone remember how Eli became a Giant? The Giants don't deal. They have a reputation for that, and there's no reason to think that would change this year.

That being said, after this week, does it make sense to trade Bradshaw for whatever they can get? A 5th round pick? A 6th and a 7th? I think it does, and I think they will ... but not to the Giants.

 
Trading for Ahmad Bradshaw!!!

With the Cleveland Browns having traded for Trent Richardson they do not have a need for Bradshaw anymore. Donald Brown can play the 3rd down role and Bradshaw will not be happy in a straight backup role now that he's healthy but I doubt Richardson will ever come off of the field anyways. Plus the Colts can recoup a draft pick in return while still upgrading their running game with Richardson.

The Giants on the other hand can hugely upgrade their backfield without having to pay too much in draft picks (a 4th round pick should get him or a 3rd at most) or salary ($1.1 million veteran minimum that only counts $700k against the cap, although I don't know if the veteran minimum exception follows him in a trade). He already knows the offense and would instantly be able to step in and start without having to cram an entire playbook down his throat over the next 3-4 weeks.

Does this trade make too much sense. It makes sense from all viewpoints and the normal stumbling block (fitting salary under the cap) shouldn't be a problem because it is a veteran minimum deal. On top of that the Colts would be trading him out of conference, so there is less of a chance of it coming to kill them in the playoffs, unless they both make the super bowl.

What do you guys think? Who has Jerry Reese's phone number? Lets make this happen. (I also want this to happen because I had Bradshaw starting in a PPR league and because of the Richardson trade he has become essentially useless to me, especially since the Richardson owner doesn't believe in handcuffs). I know trades of starting caliber players almost never happen but this is a situation when all parties could gain something and get better (Giants in the short term and the Colts in the long term, but they already greatly helped themselves in the short term with the Richardson trade).
That makes sense ... Let him walk then give up a draft pick to get him back.Bradshaw had a lower yards per carry than Brown and Wilson last year

Lower TD per Touch % than both

And Guess what he FUMBLED 3 times more than either of them
This does make sense because since they decided to let Bradshaw walk:

1. Bradshaw finally had the foot surgery that he had needed for 3 years and is fully healthy for the first time in those same 3 years (Not sure where you got this but - See Below)

2. David Wilson is still playing like a young Tiki Barber (aka "The Fumble Machine"). Also the greatest RB in Giants History and Borderline hall of famer

3. Andre Brown broke his leg and is out until after their bye (week 10) - I wouldn't be surprised if Andre Brown never played again

For these reasons the Giants would definitely be willing to send a draft pick for a quality starting RB that knows there system and is healthy. There is no question that if given the opportunity the Giants would absolutely love to get Bradshaw back. The only question is whether Indy still has plans for him because if not there are at least a handful of teams that would be willing to send a pick for Bradshaw now that he has proven to be healthy. I am hanging on to him in the hopes he gets on to the roster of one of those teams (Giants, Steelers, Cardinals, etc...)
This is from 2011Running back Ahmad Bradshaw underwent surgery on his left ankle over the weekend, the New York Giants confirmed on Monday.

The procedure was done to clean out Bradshaw's ankle.

He underwent the same surgery to his right ankle in addition to surgeries on both of his feet last year (2010)

2012

Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw Has Bone Marrow Injection in Foot

2013

The latest surgery is to replace a screw with a bigger one that will go through the bone originally fractured in 2009 as well as the one cracked in 2011.

Fantasy news - Colts trade for Trent

The Colts clearly had no faith Bradshaws troublesome feet would hold up over the grind of a 16-game season.
Everything I read said that this last surgery that he had was the one he had been avoiding because of the long rehab time (the reason he was signed so late in the offseason), but was something the Giants had wanted him to have over his last couple years with the team. Don't really see what you are trying to get at. He had foot surgery, which I said, and it was something the Giants wanted him to have earlier but he didn't.?

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As for the Tiki Barber comment did you notice the word "YOUNG" before the name. Tiki Barber was on the verge of being cut and out of football. He was a good, inconsistent running back that could not hold on to the ball. Almost an identical situation to Wilson. Now all he has to do is gain Coughlin's trust by pretty much never fumbling again, and until he gains Cougjlins trust, which will take time, Coughlin will be looking for a reliable back. Or Coughlin can go and get a back that already has his trust (Bradshaw), albeit he was very injury prone and a little bit of a headache on his own.

BTW the words Tiki Barber and Hall of Fame should never be in the same sentence. For every really good season he had, he had 2 seasons with less than 1,000 yards rushing. When looking at a hall of fame career you can't just ignore the first 6 years of his career (which is also the point in Tiki's career that I compare David Wilson to)
The Point is you have no idea what you are talking about

Bradshaw finally had the foot surgery he has need for 3 years - No he has had foot and/or ankle surgery every year since 2010

Bradshaw is finally healthy - Yeah a RB that has Multiple ankle and foot surgeries on both feet and has screws holding his feet together is real healthy

Tiki had fumbling problems but was never on the verge of being cut for fumbling

Tiki Barber was young (25) in 2000 when he had 1700 Total yard from scrimmage

For every really good season Tiki had, he had 2 seasons with less than 1,000 yards rushing - he had 1000 yards rushing 6 of 10 years would have been 7 but he missed 2 games

Tiki is 11th all time in yards from scrimmage - he ended his career with 3 consecutive seasons of over 2000 total yards,leading the league twice.

Tiki retired in his prime - another 2 years of just average production and he would have been ranked around 5 or 6 all-time right around Barry Sanders and LT

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BarbTi00.htm

 

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