The good ole days of Fantasy Football (1 Viewer)

[ffinmyblood]

The younger generation of FF's will never understand where I am coming from, hopefully you older, more veteran FF's will. I have been playing FF now for going on 20 years. 16 team keeper league. When I started playing, you scored games on paper, you got box scores from the USA Today the next morning, you ONLY got points for TD's(6 pts all) and bonus points for 100+ yd. rush/rec games and 300+ passing games. In those days scoring 35-40 points was about average. Now, you can get that with one player. Oh my how the game has changed. Now you have PPR leagues, leagues where games are in there 100's(resembling an NBA game but NOT an NFL game), leagues where you actually SUBTRACT points(WTF), auction leagues(huh??), and less then 6 points for passing TD's(you've got to be kidding me). That's just to name a few of the changes. I love FF, or I should say DID love FF back when it was "your fathers FF league", and I am always "jonesing" to get into new leagues, and help other owners out that are looking to fill their leagues.

That is until I see their league rules and see the scoring and I am immediately turned off. Scores in the 100's?? I have been watching football for as long as I can remember, and I never remember one opponent scoring 100 points in a game. QB's only getting 4 points for passing TD's?? I don't ever recall seeing that in an NFL game either(did they change the rules on me and I don't know it??). Or an Auction draft, are you kidding me??( "welcome to the 2012 NFL Auction"??) And maybe most of all, all these 12 team leagues, especially in keeper leagues?? What?? Talk about LOADED teams.....Where have all the MEN gone?? Where are the 16 team keeper leagues?? The leagues that truly separate the men from the boys?? Nowhere to be found, unfortunately.

The game has changed.....and I know it's popular as ever now, but the changes I see, this veteran FF has a hard time embracing. It's sad as I LOVE the game, but it's hard for me to play anymore, since my kind of leagues don't exist anymore. And yet, the NFL hasn't changed much over the years. The names have changed, but the game hasn't as far as scoring, the draft things like that. I guess my question is, why ruin a masterpiece?? We all LOVE the NFL for what it is, it's the most popular game on the planet. We'd all be a bit bitter and angry, if the game we all love so much changed from what it is. And rightly so. That's how I feel with FF. Why all the changes?? It was fine the way it was back in the days. *sigh*

 

[Steelfan7]

The younger generation of FF's will never understand where I am coming from, hopefully you older, more veteran FF's will. I have been playing FF now for going on 20 years. 16 team keeper league. When I started playing, you scored games on paper, you got box scores from the USA Today the next morning, you ONLY got points for TD's(6 pts all) and bonus points for 100+ yd. rush/rec games and 300+ passing games. In those days scoring 35-40 points was about average. Now, you can get that with one player. Oh my how the game has changed. Now you have PPR leagues, leagues where games are in there 100's(resembling an NBA game but NOT an NFL game), leagues where you actually SUBTRACT points(WTF), auction leagues(huh??), and less then 6 points for passing TD's(you've got to be kidding me). That's just to name a few of the changes. I love FF, or I should say DID love FF back when it was "your fathers FF league", and I am always "jonesing" to get into new leagues, and help other owners out that are looking to fill their leagues.

That is until I see their league rules and see the scoring and I am immediately turned off. Scores in the 100's?? I have been watching football for as long as I can remember, and I never remember one opponent scoring 100 points in a game. QB's only getting 4 points for passing TD's?? I don't ever recall seeing that in an NFL game either(did they change the rules on me and I don't know it??). Or an Auction draft, are you kidding me??( "welcome to the 2012 NFL Auction"??) And maybe most of all, all these 12 team leagues, especially in keeper leagues?? What?? Talk about LOADED teams.....Where have all the MEN gone?? Where are the 16 team keeper leagues?? The leagues that truly separate the men from the boys?? Nowhere to be found, unfortunately.

The game has changed.....and I know it's popular as ever now, but the changes I see, this veteran FF has a hard time embracing. It's sad as I LOVE the game, but it's hard for me to play anymore, since my kind of leagues don't exist anymore. And yet, the NFL hasn't changed much over the years. The names have changed, but the game hasn't as far as scoring, the draft things like that. I guess my question is, why ruin a masterpiece?? We all LOVE the NFL for what it is, it's the most popular game on the planet. We'd all be a bit bitter and angry, if the game we all love so much changed from what it is. And rightly so. That's how I feel with FF. Why all the changes?? It was fine the way it was back in the days. *sigh*

It's called "Fantasy" football for a reason. Just roll with the changing times. No matter what scoring system a league has, all teams play under the same scoring system.

 

[cobalt_27]

Go to the market and get some prune juice. I'll set up a game of Bingo that we can play when you return old man.

 

[comfortably numb]

I just hope your arthritis didn't flare up while typing that up.

TD and 100yd/300yd scores only...... yuck.

There is a reason why the goalposts are not in the endzone anymore, or why a lineman can closeline a WR coming over the middle.

Some changes are better for the game.

 

[Cassius]

Regardless of all the new kinds of fantasy leagues, I don't see any reason why your old format league could still be going.

Unless of course everyone left because it was boring as hell.

 

[firstseason1988]

I have been playing for a long time also.

I just love it too much to stop. I am just adapting. I complain about PPR all the time, but that is what is there on line. Live leagues, no PPR for me.

It's all good, I have adopted the attitude of rather than push against the tidal wave, I will just ride it in.

 

[Slider]

"The reason people find it so hard to be happy is that they always see the past better than it was, the present worse than it is, and the future less resolved than it will be." - Marcel Pagnol

 

[Steelfan7]

"The reason people find it so hard to be happy is that they always see the past better than it was, the present worse than it is, and the future less resolved than it will be." - Marcel Pagnol

Is he a sleeper pick?

 

[firstseason1988]

"The reason people find it so hard to be happy is that they always see the past better than it was, the present worse than it is, and the future less resolved than it will be." - Marcel Pagnol

Is he a sleeper pick?

He's on my taxi squad.

 

[snellman]

The younger generation of FF's will never understand where I am coming from, hopefully you older, more veteran FF's will. I have been playing FF now for going on 20 years. 16 team keeper league. When I started playing, you scored games on paper, you got box scores from the USA Today the next morning, you ONLY got points for TD's(6 pts all) and bonus points for 100+ yd. rush/rec games and 300+ passing games. In those days scoring 35-40 points was about average. Now, you can get that with one player. Oh my how the game has changed. Now you have PPR leagues, leagues where games are in there 100's(resembling an NBA game but NOT an NFL game), leagues where you actually SUBTRACT points(WTF), auction leagues(huh??), and less then 6 points for passing TD's(you've got to be kidding me). That's just to name a few of the changes. I love FF, or I should say DID love FF back when it was "your fathers FF league", and I am always "jonesing" to get into new leagues, and help other owners out that are looking to fill their leagues.That is until I see their league rules and see the scoring and I am immediately turned off. Scores in the 100's?? I have been watching football for as long as I can remember, and I never remember one opponent scoring 100 points in a game. QB's only getting 4 points for passing TD's?? I don't ever recall seeing that in an NFL game either(did they change the rules on me and I don't know it??). Or an Auction draft, are you kidding me??( "welcome to the 2012 NFL Auction"??) And maybe most of all, all these 12 team leagues, especially in keeper leagues?? What?? Talk about LOADED teams.....Where have all the MEN gone?? Where are the 16 team keeper leagues?? The leagues that truly separate the men from the boys?? Nowhere to be found, unfortunately. The game has changed.....and I know it's popular as ever now, but the changes I see, this veteran FF has a hard time embracing. It's sad as I LOVE the game, but it's hard for me to play anymore, since my kind of leagues don't exist anymore. And yet, the NFL hasn't changed much over the years. The names have changed, but the game hasn't as far as scoring, the draft things like that. I guess my question is, why ruin a masterpiece?? We all LOVE the NFL for what it is, it's the most popular game on the planet. We'd all be a bit bitter and angry, if the game we all love so much changed from what it is. And rightly so. That's how I feel with FF. Why all the changes?? It was fine the way it was back in the days. *sigh*

If you haven't already, come on over to the IDP side. Yes, the scores will be higher still, but it adds a whole new dimension and a new challenge to the game that can be very refreshing.

 

[Slider]

"The reason people find it so hard to be happy is that they always see the past better than it was, the present worse than it is, and the future less resolved than it will be." - Marcel Pagnol

Is he a sleeper pick?

Nah, too old.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

The change is for the better in my opinion. When I say this, all I mean is that before the types of leagues and different scoring systems were very limited and now we all can join a league that we like. This is especially true for those of us that like PPR leagues or IDP leagues. The good thing is you and others can still play in your TD heavy or TD only leagues.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Still use pen and paper to score my local IDP leagues. Started out that way and still do it, but because of the internet we don't have to go buy a USA Today anymore.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Still use pen and paper to score my local IDP leagues.

How long does this take you?

 

[ffinmyblood]

The younger generation of FF's will never understand where I am coming from, hopefully you older, more veteran FF's will. I have been playing FF now for going on 20 years. 16 team keeper league. When I started playing, you scored games on paper, you got box scores from the USA Today the next morning, you ONLY got points for TD's(6 pts all) and bonus points for 100+ yd. rush/rec games and 300+ passing games. In those days scoring 35-40 points was about average. Now, you can get that with one player. Oh my how the game has changed. Now you have PPR leagues, leagues where games are in there 100's(resembling an NBA game but NOT an NFL game), leagues where you actually SUBTRACT points(WTF), auction leagues(huh??), and less then 6 points for passing TD's(you've got to be kidding me). That's just to name a few of the changes. I love FF, or I should say DID love FF back when it was "your fathers FF league", and I am always "jonesing" to get into new leagues, and help other owners out that are looking to fill their leagues.That is until I see their league rules and see the scoring and I am immediately turned off. Scores in the 100's?? I have been watching football for as long as I can remember, and I never remember one opponent scoring 100 points in a game. QB's only getting 4 points for passing TD's?? I don't ever recall seeing that in an NFL game either(did they change the rules on me and I don't know it??). Or an Auction draft, are you kidding me??( "welcome to the 2012 NFL Auction"??) And maybe most of all, all these 12 team leagues, especially in keeper leagues?? What?? Talk about LOADED teams.....Where have all the MEN gone?? Where are the 16 team keeper leagues?? The leagues that truly separate the men from the boys?? Nowhere to be found, unfortunately. The game has changed.....and I know it's popular as ever now, but the changes I see, this veteran FF has a hard time embracing. It's sad as I LOVE the game, but it's hard for me to play anymore, since my kind of leagues don't exist anymore. And yet, the NFL hasn't changed much over the years. The names have changed, but the game hasn't as far as scoring, the draft things like that. I guess my question is, why ruin a masterpiece?? We all LOVE the NFL for what it is, it's the most popular game on the planet. We'd all be a bit bitter and angry, if the game we all love so much changed from what it is. And rightly so. That's how I feel with FF. Why all the changes?? It was fine the way it was back in the days. *sigh*

If you haven't already, come on over to the IDP side. Yes, the scores will be higher still, but it adds a whole new dimension and a new challenge to the game that can be very refreshing.

IDP's is what I grew up with.....love it. Scores aren't outrageous even with it.

 

[ffinmyblood]

The change is for the better in my opinion. When I say this, all I mean is that before the types of leagues and different scoring systems were very limited and now we all can join a league that we like. This is especially true for those of us that like PPR leagues or IDP leagues. The good thing is you and others can still play in your TD heavy or TD only leagues.

Where??? I certainly cant find any of those types of leagues here on FBG looking for leagues boards. If you can point me in the right direction, I'd be ecstatic.

 

[Cassius]

The change is for the better in my opinion. When I say this, all I mean is that before the types of leagues and different scoring systems were very limited and now we all can join a league that we like. This is especially true for those of us that like PPR leagues or IDP leagues. The good thing is you and others can still play in your TD heavy or TD only leagues.

Where??? I certainly cant find any of those types of leagues here on FBG looking for leagues boards. If you can point me in the right direction, I'd be ecstatic.

I'd try the nickel slots at your closest casino.

 

[southeastjerome]

The younger generation of FF's will never understand where I am coming from, hopefully you older, more veteran FF's will. I have been playing FF now for going on 20 years. 16 team keeper league. When I started playing, you scored games on paper, you got box scores from the USA Today the next morning, you ONLY got points for TD's(6 pts all) and bonus points for 100+ yd. rush/rec games and 300+ passing games. In those days scoring 35-40 points was about average. Now, you can get that with one player. Oh my how the game has changed. Now you have PPR leagues, leagues where games are in there 100's(resembling an NBA game but NOT an NFL game), leagues where you actually SUBTRACT points(WTF), auction leagues(huh??), and less then 6 points for passing TD's(you've got to be kidding me). That's just to name a few of the changes. I love FF, or I should say DID love FF back when it was "your fathers FF league", and I am always "jonesing" to get into new leagues, and help other owners out that are looking to fill their leagues.



That is until I see their league rules and see the scoring and I am immediately turned off. Scores in the 100's?? I have been watching football for as long as I can remember, and I never remember one opponent scoring 100 points in a game. QB's only getting 4 points for passing TD's?? I don't ever recall seeing that in an NFL game either(did they change the rules on me and I don't know it??).

I've been playing since the days when we had to wait until the next day to get the scores from USA today. That was nearly 20 years ago, but it still had IDP and PPR. Also 4 points for QB TD's. I think a big part of it is how you were first introduced to fantasy football. I'll never do an auction league, but I can see how people would like it. To the bolded, did you play without offensive lines? I don't think I've ever seen an NFL game without and offensive line. Also, if Jim Everett threw a TD pass to Henry Ellard and you had them both on your team, did you get 12 points? I've never seen that happen in real life football.

 

[ffinmyblood]

The younger generation of FF's will never understand where I am coming from, hopefully you older, more veteran FF's will. I have been playing FF now for going on 20 years. 16 team keeper league. When I started playing, you scored games on paper, you got box scores from the USA Today the next morning, you ONLY got points for TD's(6 pts all) and bonus points for 100+ yd. rush/rec games and 300+ passing games. In those days scoring 35-40 points was about average. Now, you can get that with one player. Oh my how the game has changed. Now you have PPR leagues, leagues where games are in there 100's(resembling an NBA game but NOT an NFL game), leagues where you actually SUBTRACT points(WTF), auction leagues(huh??), and less then 6 points for passing TD's(you've got to be kidding me). That's just to name a few of the changes. I love FF, or I should say DID love FF back when it was "your fathers FF league", and I am always "jonesing" to get into new leagues, and help other owners out that are looking to fill their leagues.



That is until I see their league rules and see the scoring and I am immediately turned off. Scores in the 100's?? I have been watching football for as long as I can remember, and I never remember one opponent scoring 100 points in a game. QB's only getting 4 points for passing TD's?? I don't ever recall seeing that in an NFL game either(did they change the rules on me and I don't know it??).

I've been playing since the days when we had to wait until the next day to get the scores from USA today. That was nearly 20 years ago, but it still had IDP and PPR. Also 4 points for QB TD's. I think a big part of it is how you were first introduced to fantasy football. I'll never do an auction league, but I can see how people would like it. To the bolded, did you play without offensive lines? I don't think I've ever seen an NFL game without and offensive line. Also, if Jim Everett threw a TD pass to Henry Ellard and you had them both on your team, did you get 12 points? I've never seen that happen in real life football.

I grant you, not EVERYTHING in FF can be replicated to be like the real NFL, but you CAN get it as close as possible, especially scoring, which is what bothers me the most. I can accept some changes, and I have, but 4 pts for passing TD's is NOT one of them, auction leagues is NOT one of them, and negative points is NOT one of them.

As to your question about Everett and Ellard.....yes, you would get 12 points for that. But, ask yourself this. If both of those players were on different Fantasy teams, they both got 6 pts each did they not?? Or simply put....was Jim Everett credited with a TD pass in the NFL statistics?? YES. Was Henry Ellard credited with a TD reception in the NFL statistics?? YES.

 

[southeastjerome]

The younger generation of FF's will never understand where I am coming from, hopefully you older, more veteran FF's will. I have been playing FF now for going on 20 years. 16 team keeper league. When I started playing, you scored games on paper, you got box scores from the USA Today the next morning, you ONLY got points for TD's(6 pts all) and bonus points for 100+ yd. rush/rec games and 300+ passing games. In those days scoring 35-40 points was about average. Now, you can get that with one player. Oh my how the game has changed. Now you have PPR leagues, leagues where games are in there 100's(resembling an NBA game but NOT an NFL game), leagues where you actually SUBTRACT points(WTF), auction leagues(huh??), and less then 6 points for passing TD's(you've got to be kidding me). That's just to name a few of the changes. I love FF, or I should say DID love FF back when it was "your fathers FF league", and I am always "jonesing" to get into new leagues, and help other owners out that are looking to fill their leagues.



That is until I see their league rules and see the scoring and I am immediately turned off. Scores in the 100's?? I have been watching football for as long as I can remember, and I never remember one opponent scoring 100 points in a game. QB's only getting 4 points for passing TD's?? I don't ever recall seeing that in an NFL game either(did they change the rules on me and I don't know it??).

I've been playing since the days when we had to wait until the next day to get the scores from USA today. That was nearly 20 years ago, but it still had IDP and PPR. Also 4 points for QB TD's. I think a big part of it is how you were first introduced to fantasy football. I'll never do an auction league, but I can see how people would like it. To the bolded, did you play without offensive lines? I don't think I've ever seen an NFL game without and offensive line. Also, if Jim Everett threw a TD pass to Henry Ellard and you had them both on your team, did you get 12 points? I've never seen that happen in real life football.

I grant you, not EVERYTHING in FF can be replicated to be like the real NFL, but you CAN get it as close as possible, especially scoring, which is what bothers me the most. I can accept some changes, and I have, but 4 pts for passing TD's is NOT one of them, auction leagues is NOT one of them, and negative points is NOT one of them.



As to your question about Everett and Ellard.....yes, you would get 12 points for that. But, ask yourself this. If both of those players were on different Fantasy teams, they both got 6 pts each did they not?? Or simply put....was Jim Everett credited with a TD pass in the NFL statistics?? YES. Was Henry Ellard credited with a TD reception in the NFL statistics?? YES.

Did the Rams get awarded 12 points? NO.

 

[shader]

Are you still bitter about the Colts leaving Baltimore?

 

[identikit]

Lots of tapioca pudding being served in here....

 

[Holy Schneikes]

For the most part scoring has evolved in favor of excitement and "accuracy" (I'll explain later) rather than NFL "realism". Realism is a goal that is very difficult to attain because the two games (fantasy football and real football) are inherently different. So a guy like Thomas Jones a couple of years ago has over 1300 total yards and 1 TD, and you want him to be absolutely worthless for your fantasy team? How realistic is that? I'm not saying it can't be fun that way, and more power to you if that's what you want to roll with. It just isn't a lot of people's cup of tea.

My personal primary goal for a scoring system is to make it generate the most points for the best players. So, if you can identify the best NFL players as a FF player, you do well. The secondary goal would be to "balance" the scoring (and lineup requirements) so that each relevant position has a decent amount of value.

So I don't care for PPR (which I think artificially enhances value for players who aren't necessarily "better"), and I really don't like IDP for the same reason. You get a middle linebacker in a 4-3 defense on a bad team and he could be the worst player on the squad and still be a fantasy stud, but if you get an absolute shut-down corner (one of the most valuable commodities in the NFL) he's worthless. A stud nose tackle may get very few tackles and very few sacks, but draw constant double teams and ALLOW other players to rack up those stats. The stats just don't support the defense like they do the offense (at least the way IDPs are typically scored). Tackles are an awful way to evaluate the effectiveness of a defensive player, but it's the primary scoring avenue for IDP.

But a lot of people love those formats, and I tell them the same thing I tell you - if you enjoy it, go for it.

 

[massraider]

I grant you, not EVERYTHING in FF can be replicated to be like the real NFL, but you CAN get it as close as possible, especially scoring, which is what bothers me the most. I can accept some changes, and I have, but 4 pts for passing TD's is NOT one of them, auction leagues is NOT one of them, and negative points is NOT one of them.

Who cares how close the scoring is? It doesn't make the experience better. It is a dweeby little point of semantics; and beyond the truly anal retentive, I can't imagine who would care if a QB got 4 or 6 points per TD pass.Not to be rude, but fantasy football isn't worse just because it is different than what you grew up with. I started in 91 or so, and I had to go through the USA Today every Monday. It might be a romantic memory to you, but it sucked to do, and I am sure it still does. We were using 1 point for every 10 yards then as well, so let's not pretend this scoring wrinkle is some new phenomenon.

Also, you aren't making any solid arguments. You obviously want people to agree/commiserate with you. Give them something to agree with. Why are high scores such a tragedy? Why shouldn't players get points if they rush for 90 yards?

You laugh at the auction format, because, after all, the NFL uses a draft, right? Well, not for veterans. And veterans make up most of the fantasy teams. So why are you drafting veterans??? THE NFL DOESN'T DRAFT VETERANS!!!!

Psssst, here's a hint: Free agency? Pretty much an auction.

 

[ffinmyblood]

The younger generation of FF's will never understand where I am coming from, hopefully you older, more veteran FF's will. I have been playing FF now for going on 20 years. 16 team keeper league. When I started playing, you scored games on paper, you got box scores from the USA Today the next morning, you ONLY got points for TD's(6 pts all) and bonus points for 100+ yd. rush/rec games and 300+ passing games. In those days scoring 35-40 points was about average. Now, you can get that with one player. Oh my how the game has changed. Now you have PPR leagues, leagues where games are in there 100's(resembling an NBA game but NOT an NFL game), leagues where you actually SUBTRACT points(WTF), auction leagues(huh??), and less then 6 points for passing TD's(you've got to be kidding me). That's just to name a few of the changes. I love FF, or I should say DID love FF back when it was "your fathers FF league", and I am always "jonesing" to get into new leagues, and help other owners out that are looking to fill their leagues.



That is until I see their league rules and see the scoring and I am immediately turned off. Scores in the 100's?? I have been watching football for as long as I can remember, and I never remember one opponent scoring 100 points in a game. QB's only getting 4 points for passing TD's?? I don't ever recall seeing that in an NFL game either(did they change the rules on me and I don't know it??).

I've been playing since the days when we had to wait until the next day to get the scores from USA today. That was nearly 20 years ago, but it still had IDP and PPR. Also 4 points for QB TD's. I think a big part of it is how you were first introduced to fantasy football. I'll never do an auction league, but I can see how people would like it. To the bolded, did you play without offensive lines? I don't think I've ever seen an NFL game without and offensive line. Also, if Jim Everett threw a TD pass to Henry Ellard and you had them both on your team, did you get 12 points? I've never seen that happen in real life football.

I grant you, not EVERYTHING in FF can be replicated to be like the real NFL, but you CAN get it as close as possible, especially scoring, which is what bothers me the most. I can accept some changes, and I have, but 4 pts for passing TD's is NOT one of them, auction leagues is NOT one of them, and negative points is NOT one of them.



As to your question about Everett and Ellard.....yes, you would get 12 points for that. But, ask yourself this. If both of those players were on different Fantasy teams, they both got 6 pts each did they not?? Or simply put....was Jim Everett credited with a TD pass in the NFL statistics?? YES. Was Henry Ellard credited with a TD reception in the NFL statistics?? YES.

Did the Rams get awarded 12 points? NO.

No, they did not, but they WERE each individually credited with TD's in the NFL statistics. That is far more realistic then say Barry Sanders rushing for 156 yards and NO Td's and getting 15 points for that. Did the Lions get 15 points for that?? NO. Further did Sanders get credited with 15 PTS in the scoring leaders for the NFL?? HELL NO!! In the NFL you score points by scoring TD's......NOT by being awarded points for how big of a rushing day Warric Dunn had. You don't cross the goal line, you are awarded NO points(unless you kick a FG of course), why should you get points for NOT crossing the goal line in FF??

Would you like the NFL if games were 120-115?? Or are they just fine 17-14?? I know the answer to that and I know you do to.

 

[ffinmyblood]

I grant you, not EVERYTHING in FF can be replicated to be like the real NFL, but you CAN get it as close as possible, especially scoring, which is what bothers me the most. I can accept some changes, and I have, but 4 pts for passing TD's is NOT one of them, auction leagues is NOT one of them, and negative points is NOT one of them.

Who cares how close the scoring is? It doesn't make the experience better. It is a dweeby little point of semantics; and beyond the truly anal retentive, I can't imagine who would care if a QB got 4 or 6 points per TD pass.Not to be rude, but fantasy football isn't worse just because it is different than what you grew up with. I started in 91 or so, and I had to go through the USA Today every Monday. It might be a romantic memory to you, but it sucked to do, and I am sure it still does. We were using 1 point for every 10 yards then as well, so let's not pretend this scoring wrinkle is some new phenomenon.

Also, you aren't making any solid arguments. You obviously want people to agree/commiserate with you. Give them something to agree with. Why are high scores such a tragedy? Why shouldn't players get points if they rush for 90 yards?

You laugh at the auction format, because, after all, the NFL uses a draft, right? Well, not for veterans. And veterans make up most of the fantasy teams. So why are you drafting veterans??? THE NFL DOESN'T DRAFT VETERANS!!!!

Psssst, here's a hint: Free agency? Pretty much an auction.

Do you get points in the NFL if a player rushes for 90 yds?? Would you like it if your favorite team's opponent got 9 points for rushing for 90 yds by one individual player, and your team lost 99-90?? You like high scores, go watch the NBA. NONE of us would like it if the NFL's scoring system changed so drastically, and all of a sudden the game we knew and loved wasn't the same would we?? I'm guessing that is NOT a change most of us would embrace.

 

[Northbound Train]

My longest running league I've been playing in very much resembles what you've been playing...

We don't use DEF/STs, all TDs are 6, there are NO negatives so Cutler was actually decent last year and points were driven off of 100 + 300 yard games....just recently di the Commish add "bonus" points at every 25 yard intervals...

They're stilll out there, just hard to find

 

[ffinmyblood]

My longest running league I've been playing in very much resembles what you've been playing...We don't use DEF/STs, all TDs are 6, there are NO negatives so Cutler was actually decent last year and points were driven off of 100 + 300 yard games....just recently di the Commish add "bonus" points at every 25 yard intervals...They're stilll out there, just hard to find

Excellent!!! I know they can be found, but I'm guessing that most of those still in existence are "local" leagues. Because I sure haven't been able to find any online even with all the Fantasy leagues out there that offer a wide range of options. Like phenoms for example. It's not unlucky's fault, it's just that he knows there wouldn't be a lot of interest in leagues like that. THAT is the problem.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Many of the changes are definitely for the better, but with the internet now, it has made it easier for the less knowledgeable players to do well, as anyone can find anything on the internet in 28 seconds. Ten years or so ago, not as many people were aware about such things, and there weren't as many sites dedicated to it, so those of us who really knew what we were doing benefited more.

 

[leave a whisper]

calling the commissioner's house on friday night & leaving your starting line-up on the answering machine .... getting up extra early monday to get a USA Today for the box score (after trying to figure your points off of what you seen on Sportscenter sunday night - the 1 time it aired) ..... drafting Bobby Hebert as my QB & targeting Chris Warren as my RB1 based on the one 150 page fantasy football mag. that came out around the 1st of august .... fantasy has come a long way forsure.

 

[Northbound Train]

Send me a pm with your email addy and should one of our deadbeats not buck up this year PRIOR to our draft I'll see if the Commish wants to add you....the scoring is very similar to what you're looking for.

The Commish is a FF Nazi of sorts and not very open to change...so I think you'd fit right in

 

[nysportsfan]

The link I find most useful for old people

 

[bostonfred]

We switched to 4 pt passing TDs because Brett Favre was so much more valuable than anyone else that you couldn't catch up. 6 pts all TDs and Favre is getting 38 or 39 TDs while only a couple other guys in the whole league broke 20. It was such an absurd advantage back then, and he did it for three straight years.

 

[massraider]

Do you get points in the NFL if a player rushes for 90 yds?? Would you like it if your favorite team's opponent got 9 points for rushing for 90 yds by one individual player, and your team lost 99-90?? You like high scores, go watch the NBA. NONE of us would like it if the NFL's scoring system changed so drastically, and all of a sudden the game we knew and loved wasn't the same would we?? I'm guessing that is NOT a change most of us would embrace.

Well, you don't get points for rushing for 100 yards in the NFL either, but you were handing out bonus points back in the day. "100 yards is worthy of points, but 99 isn't". That's always what the argument came down to when fantasy owners wised up and adjusted their scoring. Changing of the scoring was about accurately reflecting each players contribution to their team. Giving that up just to make the scores somehow accurately reflect real-life NFL scores seems kind of silly, doesn't it? You haven't explained yet how fantasy football is worse because the scores are high. How does this affect my enjoyment of the game that we play for, you know, enjoyment? I won some games last year in fantasy football and, strangely, I can't recall the scores. Just who I beat, and which players stepped up for me. Which, now that I think about it, is the way I remember it 15 years ago.I remember why most of the changes happened. Two reasons:1. Commissioners wanted to run different kinds of leagues. 2. People complained that players weren't getting credit for helping the team, other than scoring a TD. #2 was the big one. People were tired of a TE getting 89 yards on 5 catches, and not getting credit for doing anything, while Leroy Hoard led someone to a championship. You seem to like it the old way, but your main reason seems to be: It was the old way.

 

[ffinmyblood]

Many of the changes are definitely for the better, but with the internet now, it has made it easier for the less knowledgeable players to do well, as anyone can find anything on the internet in 28 seconds. Ten years or so ago, not as many people were aware about such things, and there weren't as many sites dedicated to it, so those of us who really knew what we were doing benefited more.

THIS right here is the biggest thing. That was the beauty of the olden days of FF. The men from the boys were separated. Not so much anymore. The knowledgeable FF players are NOT rewarded for their prowess anymore, because Aunt Mary can see one half of a preseason game, see Ben Tate blow up and now she will draft him based off that one game. When you, the knowledgeable FFer, had Ben Tate targeted all along. You knew who he was, you knew what his role would be etc etc. You can't keep ANYTHING sacred anymore when it comes to that stuff. All your knowledge now means nothing because of that one half of preseason football that Aunt Mary saw.I would LOVE to see leagues insist you can bring NOTHING to the draft as far as materials.....no magazines, no laptops. NOTHING. Separate the men from the boys so to speak. Draft off of pure knowledge. The knowledgeable, prepared FFer, deserves to have that be rewarded, and it's simply not anymore. sad.

 

[Str8Male Flight Attendant]

Many of the changes are definitely for the better, but with the internet now, it has made it easier for the less knowledgeable players to do well, as anyone can find anything on the internet in 28 seconds. Ten years or so ago, not as many people were aware about such things, and there weren't as many sites dedicated to it, so those of us who really knew what we were doing benefited more.

yes,It is much harder to get things by fantasy players these days. Back in the day, you knew you could wait on certain players late and get all kinds of value late. Now you can not pay attention to anything, come here, download the current copy of draft dominator, print out a cheatsheet and compete. You have to dig deeper and pay closer attention to find gems these days.

 

[ffinmyblood]

Send me a pm with your email addy and should one of our deadbeats not buck up this year PRIOR to our draft I'll see if the Commish wants to add you....the scoring is very similar to what you're looking for.The Commish is a FF Nazi of sorts and not very open to change...so I think you'd fit right in

PM sent....Thanks!!!

 

[Da Guru]

The game has evolved to make it easy for the masses to play without doing any homework. Now you can compete and even win leagues without looking at a thing before the draft. There are no sleepers anymore. No unknown rookies.

Everybody knows everything. Makes the game easier to play for Sally at the office, and old Uncle Joe who just got a computer.

 

[bg0546]

I grant you, not EVERYTHING in FF can be replicated to be like the real NFL, but you CAN get it as close as possible, especially scoring, which is what bothers me the most. I can accept some changes, and I have, but 4 pts for passing TD's is NOT one of them, auction leagues is NOT one of them, and negative points is NOT one of them.

The last time I checked it was called "Fantasy Football", not "Fantasy NFL". There are many different football leagues and scoring in real life. No reason that can't be the case in Fantasy FOOTBALL.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

The change is for the better in my opinion. When I say this, all I mean is that before the types of leagues and different scoring systems were very limited and now we all can join a league that we like. This is especially true for those of us that like PPR leagues or IDP leagues. The good thing is you and others can still play in your TD heavy or TD only leagues.

That and he can always commission a league and create the rules. If you can't find 15 others, then no offense that should probably tell you a little something.I mean, the whole thing sounds a little like : What happened to the good old days when you walked 4 miles to school in a blizzard, up a hill in freezing cold conditions.You act like looking up the scores in the USA Today for the entire league was a good thing. I remember having to do that too for my league, it sucked. Having the computer do your scoring for you was like using an automobile after riding your bike everywhere.I have played for a long time just like you and I favor TD heavy leagues and 6 point scoring for everyone, however I find enjoyment in all leagues. Wondering where the good old days of 16 team keeper leagues with 30 point scoring isn't coming back and I think you're a little off when you say things didn't need to be fixed or tweaked. The majority of people don't like it when there aren't a lot of choices on the waiver pool with 16 teams searching for gold. It's OK that you like what you like, but you have to realize you're in the minority on this and it will require a little work on your end to find people more like yourself.Commission a league and find 15 people and you're set.

 

[ffinmyblood]

Do you get points in the NFL if a player rushes for 90 yds?? Would you like it if your favorite team's opponent got 9 points for rushing for 90 yds by one individual player, and your team lost 99-90?? You like high scores, go watch the NBA. NONE of us would like it if the NFL's scoring system changed so drastically, and all of a sudden the game we knew and loved wasn't the same would we?? I'm guessing that is NOT a change most of us would embrace.

Well, you don't get points for rushing for 100 yards in the NFL either, but you were handing out bonus points back in the day. "100 yards is worthy of points, but 99 isn't". That's always what the argument came down to when fantasy owners wised up and adjusted their scoring. Changing of the scoring was about accurately reflecting each players contribution to their team. Giving that up just to make the scores somehow accurately reflect real-life NFL scores seems kind of silly, doesn't it? You haven't explained yet how fantasy football is worse because the scores are high. How does this affect my enjoyment of the game that we play for, you know, enjoyment? I won some games last year in fantasy football and, strangely, I can't recall the scores. Just who I beat, and which players stepped up for me. Which, now that I think about it, is the way I remember it 15 years ago.I remember why most of the changes happened. Two reasons:1. Commissioners wanted to run different kinds of leagues. 2. People complained that players weren't getting credit for helping the team, other than scoring a TD. #2 was the big one. People were tired of a TE getting 89 yards on 5 catches, and not getting credit for doing anything, while Leroy Hoard led someone to a championship. You seem to like it the old way, but your main reason seems to be: It was the old way.

You don't think it was just as frustrating to lose a game by 2 points because your guy got stopped at the one yard line and finished with 99 yds rushing as it was to NOT get credited for the example you cited?? Same thing.I like it the old way in regards to scoring mostly. Why?? Because it most CLOSELY resembled NFL scoring. Why shouldn't it after all?? It's funny because I remember the highest scoring game ever in our league, my highest scoring game ever, the lowest scoring game ever and my lowest scoring game ever. Have no idea who they came against though. I do remember the lowest scoring game ever was 1 point.....in a title game.

 

[massraider]

The game has evolved to make it easy for the masses to play without doing any homework. Now you can compete and even win leagues without looking at a thing before the draft. There are no sleepers anymore. No unknown rookies.Everybody knows everything. Makes the game easier to play for Sally at the office, and old Uncle Joe who just got a computer.

That's actually why the more different and original your league/scoring system is, the harder it is for people to use some standard cheatsheet. Heck, just do an auction league, cheatsheets really don't help that much.

 

[massraider]

Do you get points in the NFL if a player rushes for 90 yds?? Would you like it if your favorite team's opponent got 9 points for rushing for 90 yds by one individual player, and your team lost 99-90?? You like high scores, go watch the NBA. NONE of us would like it if the NFL's scoring system changed so drastically, and all of a sudden the game we knew and loved wasn't the same would we?? I'm guessing that is NOT a change most of us would embrace.

Well, you don't get points for rushing for 100 yards in the NFL either, but you were handing out bonus points back in the day. "100 yards is worthy of points, but 99 isn't". That's always what the argument came down to when fantasy owners wised up and adjusted their scoring. Changing of the scoring was about accurately reflecting each players contribution to their team. Giving that up just to make the scores somehow accurately reflect real-life NFL scores seems kind of silly, doesn't it? You haven't explained yet how fantasy football is worse because the scores are high. How does this affect my enjoyment of the game that we play for, you know, enjoyment? I won some games last year in fantasy football and, strangely, I can't recall the scores. Just who I beat, and which players stepped up for me. Which, now that I think about it, is the way I remember it 15 years ago.I remember why most of the changes happened. Two reasons:1. Commissioners wanted to run different kinds of leagues. 2. People complained that players weren't getting credit for helping the team, other than scoring a TD. #2 was the big one. People were tired of a TE getting 89 yards on 5 catches, and not getting credit for doing anything, while Leroy Hoard led someone to a championship. You seem to like it the old way, but your main reason seems to be: It was the old way.

You don't think it was just as frustrating to lose a game by 2 points because your guy got stopped at the one yard line and finished with 99 yds rushing as it was to NOT get credited for the example you cited?? Same thing.I like it the old way in regards to scoring mostly. Why?? Because it most CLOSELY resembled NFL scoring. Why shouldn't it after all?? It's funny because I remember the highest scoring game ever in our league, my highest scoring game ever, the lowest scoring game ever and my lowest scoring game ever. Have no idea who they came against though. I do remember the lowest scoring game ever was 1 point.....in a title game.

Unless you had a lot of 14-10 final scores, then your scoring didn't resemble NFL scoring. At all.So why not go for scoring that most CLOSELY reflects what your players actually did.

 

[nittanylion]

I started playing FF in 1993, and I'm an absolute addict. 1st League, and for a while, my only League, was a local with pretty much those exact scoring parameters the OP mentioned. 24 Teamer (2 separate 12-Team Leagues, League Champs play for the Overall Title)...

That League started in 1989, and going into our 21st Season, about 3/4 of the original Owners are still involved! Many of whom, this was the 1st and only FF they've ever played; and up until a few years ago, most of them had no idea anything like footballguys even existed and that FF existed outside this local League. VERY change resistant.

Change has come slowly, and never easily: 1st, we made TE it's own position, separating it from WR. At 1st, everyone started 1/2/3/1, so we transitioned into formations (pro set, run n shoot, heavy jumbo). Next was adding 1 Flex Position (RB/WR) which eventually transitioned into 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE), with a base 1/1/2/1 lineup. Then we started giving TE's 3 Points at 50 Yards...along the way, the Playoff Field expanded from 4 to 6 Teams in each League, and the Prize Pool grew as the Franchise Fee gradually increased from $50 to $500...those changes took a loooooong time to implement, and for the last several years, a block of the older, original owners stuck to their guns that enough was enough.

For five years now, I've spearheaded the cause that the 100/300 Yard Plateau was unrealistic as a baseline, for yardage points. Every offseason I had to devise another strategy to convince these guys that it was downright silly that so many 'zeros' appeared in our weekly box scores, and allowed luck to play too much of a role in determining outcomes. This year, I guess I finally did something right, and now RB and WR are going to get 3 Points at 80 Yards...whoo-hoo!!!

Anyway, I love how the game has changed, because for the most part, most of the scoring system/lineup changes are designed to reduce luck and increase the amount of skill necessary to win a Championship.

I do have my own issues with a few things, though:

I don't find Leagues under 12 Teams enjoyable, unless the Starting Lineups are configured to compensate for everyone having a 'loaded' Team...

I don't find Serpentine Drafting to be an acceptable option of Player Disbursement for Leagues larger than 12 Teams, and outside of our Survivor Leagues here, only participate in larger Leagues (14+) that offer Auction Drafts...

...now, I play in a boatload of Leagues, including most, and all, of the High Stakes Contests. Rules variations about, and at some point, if you truly want to be in a League badly enough for whatever reason, you marginalize the things that you dislike.

I'm not the biggest fan of PPR, nor am I a big fan of 1point/10Yds Rushing/Receiving, 1point/20Yds Passing, so in the Leagues I RUN, or those in which I can effect change, I've worked to provide a happy medium, that might work for some of you who find yourselves in the same boat:

Rather than get a Point for EVERY Reception (or carry, or completion or what have you), or EVERY Yard - which is what I don't like about these things, you can set up baselines, or plateaus that Players have to reach before getting Points.

For example, in the 16-Team Dynasty that I Co-Founded and Co-Commish, PPR works as follows:

RB get 1PPR starting with Reception #4

WR get 1PPR starting with Reception #5

TE get 1PPR starting with Reception #3

...so they have to do SOMETHING of significance before accruing PPR, plus between the positions, it's graded to even things out somewhat.

Similarly with Yardage:

QB/Passing: 3 Points at 225 Yards, 1 Point/every 25 yards thereafter...

RB: 3 Points at 70 Combined Yards, 1 Point/every 10 yards thereafter...

WR: 3 Points at 50 Combined Yards, 1 Point/every 10 yards thereafter...

TE: 3 Points at 30 Combined Yards, 1 Point/every 10 yards thereafter...

Under these parameters, it became much easier for me to deal with PPR and Performance Scoring, where I have some say in the matter. I don't mind Players accruing points for performance, as long as they earn that scoring after first doing something of significance, rather than being rewarded for every single yard, catch, carry, etc...

...in the end, though, OP, you are here at fbg's, surrounded by hundreds of other addicts (once you discount the aliai), and that gives you the opportunity to post in the 'Looking For Leagues' Forum. I'm fairly certain that if you created a thoughtful post such as this over there, outlining what you're looking for, either some folks are going to contact you about joining their existing League, or want to team up with you to start a League with exactly the parameters you are looking for.

Good Luck, ol' timer, and stick with it!

 

[WisWolvrns]

sounds more like the skill factor has decreased over time and the luck factor increased over time with the current ease of detailed fantasy football information in your view.

yes, that is a big change from 20+ years. I've seen it too. The direction I went was to let everyone be involved. As a league commissioner over those 20+ years, it made the league stronger when everyone was in contention longer into the year and there weren't zero win teams, etc... I told everyone in the league about cheatsheets... Some took the advice, others didn't bother. Nowadays it's footballguys.com and the draft dominator. Heck I even provided our unique scoring system file for use with DD (since we had IDP back 20+ years ago and had tiered scoring for yardage, and TE blocking bonuses, etc... some unique stuff).

The goal being let everyone get informed. Then they will know what you know, but you still need to draft a team. Knowledge is one thing, use of that knowledge is another. So it is more on how to use that knowledge better than your opponents.

In the end though, the game itself is less than the experience of the owners. Having an active 12 or 16 team league with some non-perfect scoring system is a lot better than a dull, perfect scoring system league (by whatever definition of perfect anyone wants) where no one interacts. It's the owner interaction of a league that makes it fun or not more so than the wins/losses. Albeit, the wins still do make any league sweeter, but winning in a highly competitive/active league is the ultimate top. (assuming bragging rights leagues... as winning a big money league would top it)

 

[FavreCo]

The younger generation of FF's will never understand where I am coming from, hopefully you older, more veteran FF's will. I have been playing FF now for going on 20 years. 16 team keeper league. When I started playing, you scored games on paper, you got box scores from the USA Today the next morning, you ONLY got points for TD's(6 pts all) and bonus points for 100+ yd. rush/rec games and 300+ passing games. In those days scoring 35-40 points was about average. Now, you can get that with one player. Oh my how the game has changed. Now you have PPR leagues, leagues where games are in there 100's(resembling an NBA game but NOT an NFL game), leagues where you actually SUBTRACT points(WTF), auction leagues(huh??), and less then 6 points for passing TD's(you've got to be kidding me). That's just to name a few of the changes. I love FF, or I should say DID love FF back when it was "your fathers FF league", and I am always "jonesing" to get into new leagues, and help other owners out that are looking to fill their leagues.

I hear ya but it was somewhat boring only scoring 50 points. We started with that system too 19 years ago but tweaked it to make a 100 point game a big game. We even keep records including 100 point games. Teams still score less than 50. If fact sometimes someone lays such an egg that they can't even bust 20.Subtracting points is one of the dumbest ideas ever simply because the QB could be punished for a WR's bad hands. The team with the WR could actually beat the team BECAUSE his guy DIDN'T perform. Nothing could be dumber than that...other than starting 2 QBs :X THAT is stupid beyond belief.

 

[fsufan]

OP,

why don't you just start a league to your liking

 

[The Man With No Name]

Still use pen and paper to score my local IDP leagues.

How long does this take you?

Not very long. Have had same commish for all 18 years and the simple scoring hasn't changed. Never used assists, pd's, ff, fr. It's what we all started with so eveyone is used to it. 8 of 12 owners have been around since the 90's.

 

[ceo3west]

I've been playing FF for about as long as the OP, and have never played in a league with that scoring system. If FF scoring systems resembled the real NFL I would never play it. Talk about lame..

 

[Dr. No]

I'm not sure how low scores have anything to do with fantasy football.

i've been playing since 1991 and we had a TD only system - and i would never want to go back to an era without ffl websites and message boards.. or hand based scoring.. in fact i wouldn't do it.. way too time consuming... it was fine when i was in college.

It was terrible and luck dictated championships more than anything.

The luck factor has been reduced significantly with going to yardage and performance based scoring, but is still pretty high.

Auctions are the most fair way to draft... I wish i was in a league that did it... what's fair about drawing names from a hat for a top 4 pick and getting a player that's significantly better than the 12th guy is going to get.

Plus the auction increases the skill factor again, making luck less of factor. Again, still largely luck based, but the way we're heading we are certainly working to reduce it.

Now I think PPR in terms of 1 point per reception is terrible. But a tiered system whereby TE's get 1 ppr, WR's get 0.5 or 0.75 ppr, and RB's get 0.25 or 0 ppr (because very little skill goes into them catching dump passes, screen passes, etc... ).

Now.. i will give you this.. one thing I'm not down with as an old timer is the fact that people are starting 2-3 RB's, and 3-4 WR's.. that's unrealistic.

So i've always had leagues with a more realistic system of 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex RB/WR/TE.

That's more like how real nfl teams do it.

Also we have a fairly large portion of our league dedicated to a older rotisserie style reward system. The total points leader (aka the best team) is going to get nearly 1/3rd of the prize money.. more than the runner up)

Playing with matchups is more fun, but also a way to really ramp up the luck factor.

Traditional playoff brackets are also terribly luck based as any single week of fantasy football is a TOTAL crapshoot.

But playing strictly without matchups and points only is no fun.

So we take a little of each and make it work.

I would think the ultimate low luck system would be straight points, auction draft... but ffl just doesn't work without matchups... so i highly recommend doing a little of both.