The Great 2020 All Time Movie Draft- The judging is heavily biased against me. It’s a hoax! Fake news. (1 Viewer)

[AAABatteries]

Ok I wasn't sure about Star Wars because the movie was already drafted. I guess you could always attribute it to one of the films not taken yet.

Also are the other Star Wars soundtracks available? I vote no. 

I'm potentially biased here so not sure my "vote" should count.  I considered this - the issue I see with movie scores is that some of it, like in this instance, isn't original in the other films.  I don't want to spotlight any further but if it matters, the not being original comment was why we took this over any of the others

 

[Ilov80s]

back to @timschochet and then @Dr. Octopus

 

[Ilov80s]

I'm potentially biased here so not sure my "vote" should count.  I considered this - the issue I see with movie scores is that some of it, like in this instance, isn't original in the other films.  I don't want to spotlight any further but if it matters, the not being original comment was why we took this over any of the others

The thing is John Williams writes a new score (interpreting some familiar themes) for each movie. Each one has been nominated for Best Original Score at the Oscars. It's tricky but I agree with you that this should take all Star Wars movie scores off the board.

 

[AAABatteries]

The thing is John Williams writes a new score (interpreting some familiar themes) for each movie. Each one has been nominated for Best Original Score at the Oscars. It's tricky but I agree with you that this should take all Star Wars movie scores off the board.

FTR, I'm not saying that per se - I don't want to try and sway what we do considering Hags and I are the only one who've taken one.

My gut for any of these type of issues, unless it seems egregious, is to let it go and let the judge sort it out.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The thing is John Williams writes a new score (interpreting some familiar themes) for each movie. Each one has been nominated for Best Original Score at the Oscars. It's tricky but I agree with you that this should take all Star Wars movie scores off the board.

I'm not sure there would be another one worth taking (it would pale in comparison to Episode IV)but I do not see why some one could not. Each movie has it's own score. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

back to @timschochet and then @Dr. Octopus

I have a 2:00 EST meeting. What time does the clock expire for Tim?

 

[Ilov80s]

I have a 2:00 EST meeting. What time does the clock expire for Tim?

right after 2. You can PM your pick if you want 

 

[EYLive]

I think Citizen Kane is still a great and highly entertaining movie. It is not boring at all. 

I watched Citizen Kane a few years ago and Casablanca last night. They're not boring but pretty meh on both. It must be a nostalgia thing for the older crowd or people with era bias.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

right after 2. You can PM your pick if you want 

Ok - if it gets close I'll PM you.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I watched Citizen Kane a few years ago and Casablanca last night. They're not boring but pretty meh on both. It must be a nostalgia thing for the older crowd or people with era bias.

I think the themes in Casablanca are timeless. Good people might get tired of doing the right thing, and put up a front that they don't care. But in the end, they come through. 

Rick: Don't you sometimes wonder if it's worth all this? I mean what you're fighting for.

Victor Laszlo: You might as well question why we breathe. If we stop breathing, we'll die. If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die.

Rick: Well, what of it? It'll be out of its misery.

Victor Laszlo: You know how you sound, Mr. Blaine? Like a man who's trying to convince himself of something he doesn't believe in his heart.

 

[AAABatteries]

I watched Citizen Kane a few years ago and Casablanca last night. They're not boring but pretty meh on both. It must be a nostalgia thing for the older crowd or people with era bias.

I’m willing to admit I may be really wrong on CK - Casablanca definitely not boring for me.  Watched it last night just because.

 

[Gally]

I think the themes in Casablanca are timeless. Good people might get tired of doing the right thing, and put up a front that they don't care. But in the end, they come through. 

Spoiler alert for those that haven't seen it......Jeesh.  Now I might as well not even bother.....hahaha

 

[EYLive]

Haven't seen Apocalypse Now either. Apparently, it's on a bunch of streaming services, so I have homework tonight!

I'm gonna lose this draft, but it's fun and educational.

 

[Don Quixote]

Spoiler alert for those that haven't seen it......Jeesh.  Now I might as well not even bother.....hahaha

Or maybe the ending is this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-53Ba6hIEAc

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Plus, Casablanca has some great dialog.

Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?

Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would.

Major Strasser: How about New York?

Rick: Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade.

Captain Renault: Carl, see that Major Strasser gets a good table, one close to the ladies.

Carl: I have already given him the best, knowing he is German and would take it anyway.

Captain Renault: What in heaven's name brought you to Casablanca?

Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.

Captain Renault: The waters? What waters? We're in the desert.

Rick: I was misinformed.

And of course...

Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?

Captain Renault: I'm shocked! Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here.

[a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]

Croupier: Your winnings, sir.

Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.

 

[mphtrilogy]

I think the themes in Casablanca are timeless. Good people might get tired of doing the right thing, and put up a front that they don't care. But in the end, they come through. 

War, Spies, Intrigue, Suspense, Romance, great dialogue, incredible screenplay and a top top notch cast... and a fantastic ending with one of the best final lines in movie history... 

Just my two cents... but totally biased opinion since I chose it as the greatest Movie of all time, neck and neck with CK, but I just like it a little better

 

[timschochet]

3. Marilyn Monroe- Legendary movie star- female 

Marilyn was not the actor Bogart was (though IIRC she did study Method with Lee Strasberg towards the end of her life) but she was ever bit the movie star, perhaps more. She is certainly the most recognizable human being ever to appear on film. With Humphrey and Norma Jean I have a good start on the legendary categories. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Plus, Casablanca has some great dialog.

And of course...

It's actually an extremely funny/witty movie.

 

[Ilov80s]

I watched Citizen Kane a few years ago and Casablanca last night. They're not boring but pretty meh on both. It must be a nostalgia thing for the older crowd or people with era bias.

Could be your era bias?

 

[Charlie Steiner]

I like this exchange from Casablanca:

Annina:
Monsieur Rick, what kind of a man is Captain Renault?

Rick:
Oh, he's just like any other man, only more so.

 

[Gally]

3. Marilyn Monroe- Legendary movie star- female 

Marilyn was not the actor Bogart was (though IIRC she did study Method with Lee Strasberg towards the end of her life) but she was ever bit the movie star, perhaps more. She is certainly the most recognizable human being ever to appear on film. With Humphrey and Norma Jean I have a good start on the legendary categories. 

sniped

 

[Andy Dufresne]

3. Marilyn Monroe- Legendary movie star- female 

Marilyn was not the actor Bogart was (though IIRC she did study Method with Lee Strasberg towards the end of her life) but she was ever bit the movie star, perhaps more. She is certainly the most recognizable human being ever to appear on film. With Humphrey and Norma Jean I have a good start on the legendary categories. 

Such a sad story. Her mom had mental health issues that she obviously passed to Norma Jean. This quote from Joan Crawford says a lot, "You're right. She was cheap, and an exhibitionist. She was never professional, and that irritated the hell out of people. But for God's sake, she needed help. She had all these people on her payroll. Where the hell were they when she needed them? Why in the hell did she have to die alone?"

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Round 3 Jimmy Stewart - Movie Star, Legendary - male

Stewart epitomized the "American ideal" in twentieth-century United States. In 1999, the American Film Institute (AFI) ranked him third on its list of the greatest American male actors.

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Stewart remained unmarried until his 40s, and was dubbed "The Great American Bachelor" by the press. 

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Stewart became the first major American movie star to enlist in the United States Army to fight in World War II.[

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Stewart's screen persona was that of an "everyman", an ordinary man placed in extraordinary circumstances. Audiences could identify with him, in contrast to other Hollywood leading men of the time, such as Cary Grant, who represented what the audience wanted to become.[364] Stewart's screen persona has been compared to those of Gary Cooper and Tom Hanks.[356] Eyman described that Stewart could portray several different characters: "the brother, the sweetheart, [and] the nice guy next door with a bias toward doing the right thing, always decent but never a pushover".[365] In Stewart's early career, Louella Parsons described his "boyish appeal" and "ability to win audience sympathy" as the reason for his success as an actor; Stewart's performances appealed to both young and old audiences.[366] According to film scholar Dennis Bingham, Stewart's essential persona was, "a small-town friendly neighbor, with a gentle face and voice and a slim body that is at once graceful and awkward."[367] Unlike many actors who developed their on-screen persona over time, Stewart's on-screen persona was recognizable as early as Art Trouble (1932), his uncredited debut film role, where Stewart was relaxed and comfortable on-screen.[368] He portrayed this persona most strongly in the 1940s but maintained a classic everyman persona throughout his career.[369][370][371][372]

Stewart was every bit as big a star as Bogart and John Wayne, while also being the superior actor. 

George Bailey has and will continue to be one of the most iconic characters in movie history.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

@Gally / @Charlie Steiner

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Jimmy Stewart is a tremendous American. He filmed two of his most famous movies right BEFORE enlisting in the Army. 

While many people of Stewart's fame could've gotten by on morale tours or some cush duty stateside, Stewart volunteered for flight training, earning him a pilot slot. Piloting aircraft was extremely dangerous in World War II, and Stewart was striving for a job more dangerous than rifleman on the ground.

After nine months as an instructor pilot, Stewart got a billet in a unit training up for deployment to England, the 703rd Bomb Squadron. They flew across the Atlantic in late 1943 in new B-24Hs and began raining Hell down on the Third Reich.

Stewart flew 20 combat missions with the 703rd as the squadron hit oil, ammunition, and chemical plants as well as German air bases and other military positions. He was promoted up the ranks until, by war's end, he was chief of staff of the 2nd Combat Wing.

But Stewart didn't bow out of military service just because the war was over. He remained in the Army Reserve and then the Air Force Reserve when it was formed. In 1959, he was promoted to brigadier general. But he still had one deployment and combat flight left in him.

In 1966, he rode along in a bomber over North Vietnam as an observer. He retired in 1968.

 

[joffer]

I watched Citizen Kane a few years ago and Casablanca last night. They're not boring but pretty meh on both. It must be a nostalgia thing for the older crowd or people with era bias.

I LOVE Casablanca.  Agree CK is a little meh.

 

[Ilov80s]

Round 3 Jimmy Stewart - Movie Star, Legendary - male

Stewart was every bit as big a star as Bogart and John Wayne, while also being the superior actor. 

George Bailey has and will continue to be one of the most iconic characters in movie history.

I think he has the best IMDB page. Just loaded with great movies.

 

[EYLive]

Could be your era bias?

Could be, but any movie I set aside time to watch I hope to love. I really want to love the classics as much they're hyped up. Some I do, some I don't.

 

[Gally]

I think he has the best IMDB page. Just loaded with great movies.

Unfortunately that is not a category.  Maybe next time....hahaha

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Unfortunately that is not a category.  Maybe next time....hahaha

Part of being a movie star. 

 

[Gally]

Could be, but any movie I set aside time to watch I hope to love. I really want to love the classics as much they're hyped up. Some I do, some I don't.

I think the hype will be your undoing.  Very rarely do things live up to the hype.  I think you will have much more enjoyment just going in with no expectations.  At least I have found that to be the case for me. 

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

I should like Scorsese but I don't. I haven't seen all his movies but I have seen several. Not one has had me walking away saying anything that resembled "Wow". Just not my taste. 

This time I think you are in the minority - he's made so many great films.

And I think he's my brother from another mother.  I really like Scorsese.  His dedication to and love for movies speaks to me.  But I just don't like his movies.  Not my jam.

 

[Charlie Steiner]

3.9: Katherine Hepburn, Best Actress

4 Oscars, 3 after the age of 60.

It was tough not putting her in the movie star bucket, given her larger than life personality and notorious romances with heavy hitters of her time, but in an age when the leading actress almost always was there as an accessory for the male lead, our Ms. Hepburn broke that mold and showed that she was equal to any actor Hollywood could throw at her.  She lives on, rent-free in Meryl Streep's head and will continue to do so even if she surpasses Kate in Best Leading Actress Oscars. The fact that Kate won 3 of her 4 after age 60 is especially impressive considering Hollywood is supposed to be all about young actresses.

One last time: 4 Oscars, 3 after the age of 60. NEXT!

 

[Ilov80s]

@Andy Dufresne

 

[Gally]

3.9: Katherine Hepburn, Best Actress

4 Oscars, 3 after the age of 60.

It was tough not putting her in the movie star bucket, given her larger than life personality and notorious romances with heavy hitters of her time, but in an age when the leading actress almost always was there as an accessory for the male lead, our Ms. Hepburn broke that mold and showed that she was equal to any actor Hollywood could throw at her.  She lives on, rent-free in Meryl Streep's head and will continue to do so even if she surpasses Kate in Best Leading Actress Oscars. The fact that Kate won 3 of her 4 after age 60 is especially impressive considering Hollywood is supposed to be all about young actresses.

One last time: 4 Oscars, 3 after the age of 60. NEXT!

Tough to beat the hardware when you are talking about best actress as opposed to movie star.  Movie star much more subjective.  Actor the hardware comes in to play prominently.  Nice job Steiner!

-Team GallStein!

 

[mphtrilogy]

Round 3 Jimmy Stewart - Movie Star, Legendary - male

Stewart was every bit as big a star as Bogart and John Wayne, while also being the superior actor. 

George Bailey has and will continue to be one of the most iconic characters in movie history.

Also changed the Hollywood studio system as he was essentially a Free Agent after the war, an all time fave for me...

 

[Ilov80s]

3.9: Katherine Hepburn, Best Actress

4 Oscars, 3 after the age of 60.

It was tough not putting her in the movie star bucket, given her larger than life personality and notorious romances with heavy hitters of her time, but in an age when the leading actress almost always was there as an accessory for the male lead, our Ms. Hepburn broke that mold and showed that she was equal to any actor Hollywood could throw at her.  She lives on, rent-free in Meryl Streep's head and will continue to do so even if she surpasses Kate in Best Leading Actress Oscars. The fact that Kate won 3 of her 4 after age 60 is especially impressive considering Hollywood is supposed to be all about young actresses.

One last time: 4 Oscars, 3 after the age of 60. NEXT!

Katharine Hepburn was easily my top rated female for both acting and movie star categories. Great pick and leaves you some flexibility. 

 

[AAABatteries]

3. Marilyn Monroe- Legendary movie star- female 

Marilyn was not the actor Bogart was (though IIRC she did study Method with Lee Strasberg towards the end of her life) but she was ever bit the movie star, perhaps more. She is certainly the most recognizable human being ever to appear on film. With Humphrey and Norma Jean I have a good start on the legendary categories. 

Great pick - Hags and I were stalking her if she slipped.

 

[wikkidpissah]

3. Marilyn Monroe- Legendary movie star- female 

Marilyn was not the actor Bogart was (though IIRC she did study Method with Lee Strasberg towards the end of her life) but she was ever bit the movie star, perhaps more. She is certainly the most recognizable human being ever to appear on film. With Humphrey and Norma Jean I have a good start on the legendary categories. 

in order to portray someone she actually wasn't as honestly as possible. any wonder why she imploded?

ETA: SOD - like getting Bowie 40th in a music draft - so far

 

[Charlie Steiner]

Great pick - Hags and I were stalking her if she slipped.

She wasn't getting past Team Gallstein.  It was a double gut punch that she went 2 picks before us and that it was Tim who picked her.

 

[Gally]

Great pick - Hags and I were stalking her if she slipped.

Wasn't happening.  We were taking her two picks after timmy but had to settle for Hepburn.  Not too disappointed.

 

[timschochet]

I’m going to enjoy this draft a lot more than the sports one because I know something about every category. For instance, in the sports draft I made my first draft pick Pele because he was one of 3 soccer stars I could name. When Wayne Gretzky was drafted in hockey I was screwed. And etc. Here I’m at least familiar with everything. 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

3.10 - Back To The Future - Teen Movie

The Back to the Future script was rejected 40 times before Universal bought it. 

Universal Pictures head Sid Sheinberg did not like the title "Back to the Future", insisting that nobody would see a movie with "future" in the title. In a memo to Robert Zemeckis, he said that the title should be changed to "Spaceman From Pluto", tying in with the Marty-as-alien jokes in the film, and also suggested further changes like replacing the "I'm Darth Vader from planet Vulcan" line with "I am a spaceman from Pluto!" Sheinberg was persuaded to change his mind by a response memo from Steven Spielberg, which thanked him for sending a wonderful "joke memo", and that everyone got a kick out of it. Sheinberg, too proud to admit he was serious, gave in to letting the film retain its title.

This movie holds the record of staying at number one at the box-office for three solid months.

I have three permanent movie posters in my basement home theater - Star Wars, Raiders, and BTTF. So this trifecta is pleasing to me. 

I just saw it again in the theater a couple weeks ago and it's still awesome. I think I could probably watch it every couple of months.

Possibly not the right category but I want to save the other categories it could go in, and I don't particularly like this category.

 

[AAABatteries]

Kathatine Hepburn was easily my top rated female for both acting and movie star categories. Great pick and leaves you some flexibility. 

That's why I would have considered her before Marilyn but to me Marilyn is the epitome of a Movie Star.

 

[krista4]

Round 3 Jimmy Stewart - Movie Star, Legendary - male

Stewart was every bit as big a star as Bogart and John Wayne, while also being the superior actor. 

George Bailey has and will continue to be one of the most iconic characters in movie history.

This is who I would have had in mind for the category.   

 

[Dr. Octopus]

3.10 - Back To The Future - Teen Movie

The Back to the Future script was rejected 40 times before Universal bought it. .

John Mulaney discusses the plot

 

[Charlie Steiner]

 Sheinberg was persuaded to change his mind by a response memo from Steven Spielberg, which thanked him for sending a wonderful "joke memo", and that everyone got a kick out of it. Sheinberg, too proud to admit he was serious, gave in to letting the film retain its title.

 

[Ilov80s]

That's why I would have considered her before Marilyn but to me Marilyn is the epitome of a Movie Star.

True, tough call between the two. Both had an iconic look and sound, people still do impressions of them today and both are worthy of the top spot. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This is who I would have had in mind for the category.   

I nominate @krista4 to judge this category.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Haven't seen Apocalypse Now either. Apparently, it's on a bunch of streaming services, so I have homework tonight!

I'm gonna lose this draft, but it's fun and educational.

You'll probably hate that one too.