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The Great 2020 All Time Television Draft: The Simpsons is judged the greatest show of all time (1 Viewer)

1 --Yo Mama--493

2 --tuffnutt--394

3 --mphtrilogy--388

4 --timschochet--387

5 --Tolstoy--376

6 --KarmaPolice--372

7 --jwb--368

8 --Gally Steiner--360

9 --Zow--358

10 -AcerFC--357

11 -Doug B--350

12 -Hov34--346

13 -TripleLayne--330

14 -Mrs. Rannous--329

15 -rick6668--320

16 -Pitchfork--310

 
Ok, here's my ranking on commercials.   

Kinda of the weight I gave them.. I watched each again twice

Impact then - 10
Impact now - 3
longevity - 6
Originality - 10
Did it increase sales?- 8
My personal score - 7
Branding - 10 (i'm a huge believer in how branding works)
 
We were also kicking around choosing the "Chicks Dig the Long Ball" commercial with Glavine and Maddox.  We didn't think it had the same impact as the Miller Lite adds.  

 
Ok, here's my ranking on commercials.   



1 pt - Terry Tate Office - just plain horrible IMO. Don't even remember this. Very limited market for the schtick in this ad.

 


WTF?  Remind me to NEVER do one of these "judged" drafts again.  Just plain turrible.

 
14 pts - Fed Ex guy - The creativity and originality of this ad is just off the charts. Tied in perfectly with the Fed Ex model.

 
Hmmm... I don't even know what this one is.
Me either.  :shrug:

Only complaint if I were a drafter would be the statement that the Mean Joe Greene one wasn't memorable.  Every person on the planet who saw that remembers it, 156 years later or wherever we are.  I'd have thought it was a lock for top three.

 
Me either.  :shrug:

Only complaint if I were a drafter would be the statement that the Mean Joe Greene one wasn't memorable.  Every person on the planet who saw that remembers it, 156 years later or wherever we are.  I'd have thought it was a lock for top three.
stick to lawyering    :P

Until I saw it again, I didn't remember it.   I guess like the FedEx ad for others.  

It was on a lot of lists, so I bumped it up and that group I though was similar.

The other ads are just better, and IMO, had a far better and longer lasting reach than the others.

I had a great Advertising class teacher in college. No text books. He was in charge of the Arco, Crocker Bank and another big company I can't recall accounts in So Cal.  All he did was go over all those campaigns from start to finish, detailing what made a good ad or a bad ad.

Since then, I've basically critique every ad I  see on TV and radio as they air.

 
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Me either.  :shrug:

Only complaint if I were a drafter would be the statement that the Mean Joe Greene one wasn't memorable.  Every person on the planet who saw that remembers it, 156 years later or wherever we are.  I'd have thought it was a lock for top three.
Quite right.

 
There's a zero percent chance that Wassup or whatever that FedEx ad is are better.

WTF is up with this board?
100% guarantee they generated incredible more amounts of sales revenue than that ad.

Quit acting like I gave it only two points

 

 
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Me either.  :shrug:

Only complaint if I were a drafter would be the statement that the Mean Joe Greene one wasn't memorable.  Every person on the planet who saw that remembers it, 156 years later or wherever we are.  I'd have thought it was a lock for top three.
I felt the same when I read that comment. 

 
Villain Rankings - some rambling thoughts:

  • When we started this I expected to have a lot more time that I ended up (various life things) so my apologies this got delayed so much
  • We are using lists from myself, Mr. Mojo and Corporation - many thanks to those guys
  • As mentioned, A LONG TIME AGO, my ranking was based on - how much of a villain are they? how feared are they? memorable, legacy, aggregator lists
  • Instead of just taking the 3 lists and averaging them I did look for outliers and made any necessary adjustments - FINAL and ARBITRARY;  I also broke any ties.
  • You will probably not like these rankings - good, that makes me happy.
  • Just kidding - we tried our best and attempted to be fair/neutral.  I think it's a good list.  My meta comment is I think that on some level characters that were from the same show as another pick maybe took a small hit but not too bad
  • Characters that had a short run or not many seasons generally took a hit, with at least one exception
  • Back to the point about not having enough time - I didn't and still don't so I shamelessly stole the write-ups from Rolling Stones - I attempted to sanitize them so any political type discussion was removed.  None of that nonsense here.  If something slips through the filter then please blame me for that but not the content.
On with the rankings......

 
Wait, wrong list.  Here we go.

Villains Rankings - Part 1

16 - Bob (Twin Peaks) (1 pt.) - rankings (6, 1, 2)

Behold, the answer to the question: "Who killed Laura Palmer?" As a being from the extradimensional vortex of evil with the red curtains and zig-zag flooring that was Twin Peaks' visual signature, Bob is a kind of demon who relies on possession to perpetrate his horrible crimes. And while we won't tell you whom he took over to commit the murder at the heart of David Lynch and Mark Frost's still-peerless horror-mystery masterpiece, we will say that his every on-screen appearance, from the truly shocking reveal on down, is the stuff of nightmares. Actor Frank Silva, who screamed and laughed his way through the part like he was possessed, was just a crew member until a couple of coincidental glimpses of him on set led Lynch to create the character for him. The result: the greatest ghoul in the history of television, hands down.

15 - The One-Armed Man (2 pts.) - rankings (2, 3, 7)

Less a villain than the idea of a bad guy, the One-Armed Man was the human maguffin who drove The Fugitive's basic story — the real killer of Dr. Richard Kimble's wife, whom the good doctor was on a quest to catch and thereby clear his name. Played by Bill Raisch, he was only glimpsed a handful of times before the end, but his influence lingers on: He bequeathed his moniker and disability to a prominent Twin Peaks character (real name: Philip Gerard, after the cop tracking Kimble down), and he's synonymous with the mystery culprits that conspiracy theorists and accused killers alike concoct to explain seemingly open-and-shut crimes.

14 - Livia Soprano (3 pts.) - rankings (1, 2, 12)

"If you want my advice, Anthony, don't expect happiness. You won't get it, people let you down … It's all a big nothing. What makes you think you're so special?" Has any villain ever wielded a weapon half as effectively as Livia Soprano deployed pure nihilism? This monologue served as a backdrop for six(ish) seasons of her mafia-don son Tony's brushes with death and depravity. Sure, she tried to have him killed, but it was the joyless way in which she lived that truly made her an enemy. The character's story was tragically cut short by the death of actor Nancy Marchand, but in being struck down she became more powerful than Tony could possibly imagine; the damage she inflicted was irreversible.

13 - Vern Schillinger (4 pts.) - rankings (3, 8 , 5)

Long before he terrified Peter Parker as J. Jonah Jameson or triggered PTSD flashbacks for music majors everywhere in Whiplash, J.K. Simmons was the influential HBO prison drama's equivalent of the Wicked Witch of the West. Only instead of a broomstick and an army of flying monkeys, he had penchant for rape and terrorizing the penitentiary's inmates, with an army of white-supremacist gang members to back it up. And his torment of, and payback by, his nebbishy "prag" Tobias Beecher was the show's most visceral example of Oz's villain/victim dynamic.

 
No I did not - I was only joking with you both times. I didn't really take offense.
Neither did I.  At any of the judging.  I took things I liked, not what I thought would impress "judges".  And I knew that going in.

That being said, if you don't find Terry Tate Office Linebacker funnier/better than a Fed Ex guy talking fast, I guess we just see things differently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzToNo7A-94

 
Villains Rankings - Part 2

12 - Cigarette Smoking Man (5 pts.) - rankings (7, 9, 1)
It was intended to refer to the likely longterm result of his tobacco habit, but this conspiratorial character's second sobriquet, "Cancer Man," is in many ways more apt. He and his shadowy Syndicate ate away the system from the inside, preparing the planet for alien invasion with a ruthless, decades-long cover-up — which, ironically, only Mulder and Scully managed to uncover. Played with weathered gravitas by William B. Davis, he is perhaps the prime example of the mastermind model of TV villainy.

11 - Arthur Mitchell - Trinity Killer (6 pts.) - rankings (3, 4, 14)

Talk about killer casting. Actor John Lithgow had long walked the line between manic and maniac in his performances, comedic or otherwise, but his role as Arthur Mitchell — the so-called "Trinity Killer" was — saw him leap that line in terrifying fashion. Initially seen as a family-man role model, he's revealed to be Dexter's most prolific and disturbing murderer — evil in a way not even our homicidal antihero can stomach. This makes him the titular killer of killers' most formidable target; it also places the people Dexter cares about in grave peril, as he learns to his lasting devastation.

10 - Marlo Stanfield (7 pts.) - rankings (4, 8, 5)

And now an object lesson in evil, courtesy of a purloined lollipop. By the time Marlo Stanfield waltzed out of a convenience store with a stolen sucker, he'd already been established as the crime drama's most ruthless gangster yet — an underworld wunderkind capable of giving both the Barksdale organization and the Baltimore P.D. a run for their collective money. But we wouldn't learn how ruthless until the shop's guard, half-apologetically, told Stanfield he couldn't let that kind of brazen rule-breaking slide. Marlo has the man executed. His crime: the audacity of expecting to be able to do your job without criminals, white-collar or otherwise, enriching themselves by destroying you for it. "You want it to be one way," Marlo tells him. "But it's the other way." If there's an epigraph for David Simon's entire lament for the American city, there you have it.

9 - Stringer Bell (8 pts.) - rankings (3, 8 , 5)

######, is you taking notes on a criminal ####### conspiracy?  (Not in the Rolling Stones list)

8 - Ben Linus (9 pts.) - rankings (10, 11, 3)

Like the magical mystery island that changed the lives of those aboard Oceanic Flight 815, Michael Emerson's performance as Ben Linus warped reality around him. Originally cast as a for a brief arc as a castaway who may or may not have been one of the sinister Others, the actor brought such a twitchy, soft-spoken intensity to the work that showrunners Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse reimagined the role as the series' Big Bad. Kidnapping, torture, mass murder, the sacrifice of his own daughter — there was nothing Ben wouldn't do to protect the Island from those he deemed unworthy of its secrets.

Yet his nerd-turned-bully demeanor contained a perverse charisma — particularly when played off his odd-couple relationship with Terry O'Quinn's John Locke, the Professor X to his Magneto — that slowly won audiences over. By the end of the series he was almost a co-protagonist, granted a shot at redemption he probably didn't deserve. A series is only as good as its bad guys; Lost had its problems but Linus wasn't one of them.

 
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Villains Rankings - Part 2

12 - Arthur Mitchell - Trinity Killer (5 pts.) - rankings (3, 4, 14)

Talk about killer casting. Actor John Lithgow had long walked the line between manic and maniac in his performances, comedic or otherwise, but his role as Arthur Mitchell — the so-called "Trinity Killer" was — saw him leap that line in terrifying fashion. Initially seen as a family-man role model, he's revealed to be Dexter's most prolific and disturbing murderer — evil in a way not even our homicidal antihero can stomach. This makes him the titular killer of killers' most formidable target; it also places the people Dexter cares about in grave peril, as he learns to his lasting devastation.
Well, one of the judges got it right.  I don't know what the other two were thinking though

 
Some thoughts/commentary on the rankings so far:

  • Bob (Twin Peaks) - kind of forgettable;  show was weird, didn't run for long and the guy made no lasting impact except for those who loved Twin Peaks
  • The One-Armed Man - as the write-up said, it's more an idea than a character
  • Livia Soprano - absolutely fantastic character and so well acted;  but how much of a villain or how evil is a stay at-home Mom who mentally destroys her kids.  No offense to Livia but there's thousands of those out there
  • Vern Schillinger - creepy as hell and another fantastic acting job
  • Arthur Mitchell (Trinity Killer) - ditto Vern
  • Marlo Stanfield/Stringer Bell - great characters on a great show - one could argue Marlo and Bell were business men who just didn't mind getting their hands dirty
  • Ben Linus - this was probably my first surprise as I think in my mind he would go higher.  I loved LOST and overlooked it's flaws because it was such a fun and unique ride.  Ultimately, I didn't have him super high either (10) so it's probably about right to a little low
 
That seems to be a common theme.  It's a shame you are all treating @Charlie Steinerso badly.  
Actual answer was I docked him point in my own personal ranking because of his limited run in the series.  And I didn't feel like his legacy as a character was able to overcome that issue.  I don't remember anybody talking about him or mentioning his name outside of Dexter fans.  Mr. Mojo definitely loved him some Trinity Killer though.  :)  

 
Actual answer was I docked him point in my own personal ranking because of his limited run in the series.  And I didn't feel like his legacy as a character was able to overcome that issue.  I don't remember anybody talking about him or mentioning his name outside of Dexter fans.  Mr. Mojo definitely loved him some Trinity Killer though.  :)  
Villians is a very tough category because it is so personal.  There are many that I thought were much better than the ones chosen but that is because I really like the shows they were on and they fit the bill for their role great.  I knew they wouldn't score well though.  

I agree with you that I thought Linus from Lost should have been higher as he was great for the show and fit perfectly as well as being a great character.  i thought the same for the Trinity Killer obviously.  Oh well.....back to negative value for Team GallStein.  It is kind of our thing.  

 
Villians is a very tough category because it is so personal.  There are many that I thought were much better than the ones chosen but that is because I really like the shows they were on and they fit the bill for their role great.  I knew they wouldn't score well though.  

I agree with you that I thought Linus from Lost should have been higher as he was great for the show and fit perfectly as well as being a great character.  i thought the same for the Trinity Killer obviously.  Oh well.....back to negative value for Team GallStein.  It is kind of our thing.  
And definitely a better choice than my first thought, Don Draper.

 
Villians is a very tough category because it is so personal.  There are many that I thought were much better than the ones chosen but that is because I really like the shows they were on and they fit the bill for their role great.  I knew they wouldn't score well though.  

I agree with you that I thought Linus from Lost should have been higher as he was great for the show and fit perfectly as well as being a great character.  i thought the same for the Trinity Killer obviously.  Oh well.....back to negative value for Team GallStein.  It is kind of our thing.  
Trinity Killer for me just wasn't a focal point save the one season.  I love Lithgow though.

While I'm thinking about it - was Hannibal Lecter taken for another category?  Seems like he would have been a good pick if not.

 
major fail - the one-armed man is the mean joe green ad of villains, resonating in virtually every heart of coldwar America
I thought the mean joe greene ad should have been top 3.

The one-armed man was different for me though, because he only appeared in 10 of the episodes (less than 10% of the whole series).  His concept was a great villain, but ultimately didn't have enough screen time to earn a higher ranking. I also ranked the Trinity Killer low for a similar reason.  Outstanding villain and well played by Lithgow, but only for 1 season.

 
Ok, I royally f'd something up.  My apologies but the rankings for one character is wrong - Good news is one person is going to be a little miffed but most everyone else gets 1 extra point!  I'm really sorry about that. 

 

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