The hypocrisy of the ESPN talking heads (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

Although not a Rams fan, I live in St. Louis, and today, I heard some interesting chatter. Some of the ESPN guys this week have said they had no problem with the Patriots running up the score the other day, saying that if you don't like it, do something about it. These were the same people who, back in 2001, criticized Mike Martz heavily for kicking an onside kick in the 3rd quarter while leading the Jets 31-7. I remember Tom Jackson being one of those who lashed out at Martz pretty harshly, yet the other day, Jackson, while saying it was probably not smart for Belichick to risk the health of his stars by leaving them in there too long in a blowout, said he had no problem with the Patriots actions.

The hypocrisy of it all is pretty sad.

 

[Tommy Collins]

Although not a Rams fan, I live in St. Louis, and today, I heard some interesting chatter. Some of the ESPN guys this week have said they had no problem with the Patriots running up the score the other day, saying that if you don't like it, do something about it. These were the same people who, back in 2001, criticized Mike Martz heavily for kicking an onside kick in the 3rd quarter while leading the Jets 31-7. I remember Tom Jackson being one of those who lashed out at Martz pretty harshly, yet the other day, Jackson, while saying it was probably not smart for Belichick to risk the health of his stars by leaving them in there too long in a blowout, said he had no problem with the Patriots actions. The hypocrisy of it all is pretty sad.

Patriots are looked at in very favorable light around the league for some reason. Even after all this spygate nonsense, they're still looked at as a respectable franchise. Bills fan aside, they get some very favorable calls in their favor. That Raiders game was just ridiculous IMO.

 

[Statorama]

Although not a Rams fan, I live in St. Louis, and today, I heard some interesting chatter. Some of the ESPN guys this week have said they had no problem with the Patriots running up the score the other day, saying that if you don't like it, do something about it. These were the same people who, back in 2001, criticized Mike Martz heavily for kicking an onside kick in the 3rd quarter while leading the Jets 31-7. I remember Tom Jackson being one of those who lashed out at Martz pretty harshly, yet the other day, Jackson, while saying it was probably not smart for Belichick to risk the health of his stars by leaving them in there too long in a blowout, said he had no problem with the Patriots actions. The hypocrisy of it all is pretty sad.

I can forgive Tom Jackson, since he obviously played in the days of the leather helmet. Those other clowns have no excuse.(I think Jaws does a good job though)

 

[The Shizzle]

Can't you please put "Patriots" in the thread title line so I know it's a thread that bashes them again. That way I don't have to open it.

 

[Statorama]

Can't you please put "Patriots" in the thread title line so I know it's a thread that bashes them again. That way I don't have to open it.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

ESPN is more geared at entertainment than getting things right. Now some of the former coaches and players aren't bad (Jaws and Salisbury are awesome and Keyshawn and Parcells actually are pretty good), but overall these guys' reputations are tumbling and I don't think they care. For example, Mort, Clayton, Paolantonio, and others are at the point where they are overhyping their insider status, guessing on stories, and throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. For example, Clayton reported that Derrick Mason was out a couple weeks ago and Mason played. Mort has been similarly wrong as well.

 

[Statorama]

ESPN is more geared at entertainment than getting things right. Now some of the former coaches and players aren't bad (Jaws and Salisbury are awesome and Keyshawn and Parcells actually are pretty good), but overall these guys' reputations are tumbling and I don't think they care. For example, Mort, Clayton, Paolantonio, and others are at the point where they are overhyping their insider status, guessing on stories, and throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. For example, Clayton reported that Derrick Mason was out a couple weeks ago and Mason played. Mort has been similarly wrong as well.

I'd listen to the Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders show every week if they would just fire Berman already. He's the grandfather of the whole booyah mentality over there.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

Berman seems like a nice enough guy personally but his schtick is played out and actually at the point of cringeworthy. Between his alternating teal and hot pink ties, to his douchy "NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS" and NFL "Norris" Division, to the bad nicknames, it's just unbearable any more. There hasn't been a New York Baseball Giants in 50 years; it's not nostalgic, it's simply a clever phrase that has been beaten to death.

I wish he would just leave and take Erin Esurance with him...

 

[TommyGilmore]

Subtle but key difference: the Patriots are just playing their normal game of football. As long as their opponents are kicking off to them, there's nothing wrong with trying to score.

The onside kick was going above and beyond normal football. Other examples of going above and beyond normal football (in order of dooshiness):

- going for 2

- fake punt

- trick plays

- showboating

- using timeouts on defense

- going for it on 4th down

 

[UlyssesNorris]

Didn't Martz onside kick in that game because the Jets were dropping back, trying to set up big returns?

I seem to recall reading something to that effect.

 

[831hoops]

I seem to remember Martz running trick plays late in games with big leads as well (ie Warner walking to sideline pretending to call a TO then direct snapping to Faulk)

 

[sts911911]

ESPN is more geared at entertainment than getting things right. Now some of the former coaches and players aren't bad (Jaws and Salisbury are awesome and Keyshawn and Parcells actually are pretty good), but overall these guys' reputations are tumbling and I don't think they care. For example, Mort, Clayton, Paolantonio, and others are at the point where they are overhyping their insider status, guessing on stories, and throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. For example, Clayton reported that Derrick Mason was out a couple weeks ago and Mason played. Mort has been similarly wrong as well.

Sorry, but when Salisbury is one of your best commentators something is wrong.

 

[valhallan]

Can't you please put "Patriots" in the thread title line so I know it's a thread that bashes them again. That way I don't have to open it.

This is a great idea. How about a post icon like the crown for dynasty threads? Just make it the little Patriot guy.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Didn't Martz onside kick in that game because the Jets were dropping back, trying to set up big returns? I seem to recall reading something to that effect.

Yes. The Jets were dropping back way before the actual kickoff, which is why the Rams had such an easy time recovering the onside kick.

 

[Liquid Tension]

ESPN is more geared at entertainment than getting things right. Now some of the former coaches and players aren't bad (Jaws and Salisbury are awesome and Keyshawn and Parcells actually are pretty good), but overall these guys' reputations are tumbling and I don't think they care. For example, Mort, Clayton, Paolantonio, and others are at the point where they are overhyping their insider status, guessing on stories, and throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. For example, Clayton reported that Derrick Mason was out a couple weeks ago and Mason played. Mort has been similarly wrong as well.

Sorry, but when Salisbury is one of your best commentators something is wrong.

Funny you wrote this because that was the one point I disagreed with as well. Salisbury seems like he screams and says absolute statements no matter how he really feels. I guess being confident and arrogant makes it more believable when you say something?BTW, the one thing that drives me nuts is when announcers just kick back what just happened and say "that is why they are always in the game" or "you knew they had it in them" or "he is such a competitor" or some other mindless baloney after they have been critical about the team/player team the entire day. Playing back what just happened as expected drives me nuts. How about predicting items before they happen with phrases such as "while the Bears are losing you can see that they are starting to control the LOS on both sides of the ball and I expect them back in control of the game."As an example, the Giants were losing 17-7 against the Jets a few weeks ago, my friend and I (who are Giant fans) said at half time we both felt confident that the Giants would come out and control the 2nd half based on what we saw in the game. the Giants outscored the Jets 28-7 in the 2nd half

 

[SteelerMurf]

Although not a Rams fan, I live in St. Louis, and today, I heard some interesting chatter. Some of the ESPN guys this week have said they had no problem with the Patriots running up the score the other day, saying that if you don't like it, do something about it. These were the same people who, back in 2001, criticized Mike Martz heavily for kicking an onside kick in the 3rd quarter while leading the Jets 31-7. I remember Tom Jackson being one of those who lashed out at Martz pretty harshly, yet the other day, Jackson, while saying it was probably not smart for Belichick to risk the health of his stars by leaving them in there too long in a blowout, said he had no problem with the Patriots actions. The hypocrisy of it all is pretty sad.

NE is above all negative talk.All sports talking heads love the Pats. I think they think it is the cool thing to do. The sports media is just like the national political media....one mind with an agenda.

 

[Nemesis Enforcer]

Subtle but key difference: the Patriots are just playing their normal game of football. As long as their opponents are kicking off to them, there's nothing wrong with trying to score.

The onside kick was going above and beyond normal football. Other examples of going above and beyond normal football (in order of dooshiness):

- going for 2

- fake punt

- trick plays

- showboating

- using timeouts on defense

- going for it on 4th down

Didn't the Pats go for it on 4th down instead of kicking a field goal?

 

[C Diesel]

Out of the whole ESPN crew....Emmitt Smith is by far the worst. He needs to go next year.

The guy looks down at his script/notes too much, studders, and trips over his words all the time. It is pretty unbearable.

Of all the guys though I do like Tom Jackson and Jaws. That's about it.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Subtle but key difference: the Patriots are just playing their normal game of football. As long as their opponents are kicking off to them, there's nothing wrong with trying to score.

The onside kick was going above and beyond normal football. Other examples of going above and beyond normal football (in order of dooshiness):

- going for 2

- fake punt

- trick plays

- showboating

- using timeouts on defense

- going for it on 4th down

Didn't the Pats go for it on 4th down instead of kicking a field goal?

I probably should have phrased it as "going for it on 4th down instead of punting when not inside the opponent's 30 yard line". If you're on the 5 yard line, then it's certainly better to go for it on 4th down than to kick a meaningless field goal.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Out of the whole ESPN crew....Emmitt Smith is by far the worst. He needs to go next year.The guy looks down at his script/notes too much, studders, and trips over his words all the time. It is pretty unbearable.Of all the guys though I do like Tom Jackson and Jaws. That's about it.

Agreed Emmitt is bad

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

I do happen to like Salisbury because he seems like a straight shooter that does acknowledge when he is wrong.

By the way, I am still waiting on Mort's apology for breaking it to the world that his sources in the Giants locker room are guaranteeing that Eli Manning would be out a month. Or Sal Paolantonio mentioning that players will be in the lineup and they are out...

 

[Sinners]

Can't you please put "Patriots" in the thread title line so I know it's a thread that bashes them again. That way I don't have to open it.

This is a great idea. How about a post icon like the crown for dynasty threads? Just make it the little Patriot guy.

You don't need a little Patriot guy, just use an asterisk.

 

[TheWick]

NFL Network...PERIOD

 

[Sinners]

Subtle but key difference: the Patriots are just playing their normal game of football. As long as their opponents are kicking off to them, there's nothing wrong with trying to score.

The onside kick was going above and beyond normal football. Other examples of going above and beyond normal football (in order of dooshiness):

- going for 2

- fake punt

- trick plays

- showboating

- using timeouts on defense

- going for it on 4th down

Didn't the Pats go for it on 4th down instead of kicking a field goal?

I probably should have phrased it as "going for it on 4th down instead of punting when not inside the opponent's 30 yard line". If you're on the 5 yard line, then it's certainly better to go for it on 4th down than to kick a meaningless field goal.

Why go for it on 4th down when up by so many points already? Just kick the freak'in field goal. Quit with the BS excuses.BTW 80% of 'Pat fans' are band wagon hoppers. The moment the Pats falter, these people are on some other team's jock.

 

[RudeDog]

ESPN is based in Bristol Connecticut. They're Boston homers, always have been.

 

[Sinners]

NFL Network...PERIOD

I wish, but Time Warner Cable doesn't make it available.

 

[MogusMaximus]

Can't you please put "Patriots" in the thread title line so I know it's a thread that bashes them again. That way I don't have to open it.

I for one enjoy the bashing as well as your irritation. The tears of Patriot fans sustain me.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

Out of the whole ESPN crew....Emmitt Smith is by far the worst. He needs to go next year.The guy looks down at his script/notes too much, studders, and trips over his words all the time. It is pretty unbearable.Of all the guys though I do like Tom Jackson and Jaws. That's about it.

Agreed Emmitt is bad

He is so terrible that I actually look forward to his spots for the sake of comedy.

 

[igbomb]

Berman seems like a nice enough guy personally but his schtick is played out and actually at the point of cringeworthy. Between his alternating teal and hot pink ties, to his douchy "NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS" and NFL "Norris" Division, to the bad nicknames, it's just unbearable any more. There hasn't been a New York Baseball Giants in 50 years; it's not nostalgic, it's simply a clever phrase that has been beaten to death. I wish he would just leave and take Erin Esurance with him...

Actually I've always heard that he is an arrogant ###hole in real life.

 

[Dirk Digler]

you know over the years I've just grown accustomed to rolling over on sunday morning and clicking on NFL countdown... this season has gotten so unbearable this sunday I'm going to break my routine. I've reached critical mass on what I can take. just thinking about emmitt & ditka makes me feel sick.

 

[Sid G]

Berman seems like a nice enough guy personally but his schtick is played out and actually at the point of cringeworthy. Between his alternating teal and hot pink ties, to his douchy "NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS" and NFL "Norris" Division, to the bad nicknames, it's just unbearable any more. There hasn't been a New York Baseball Giants in 50 years; it's not nostalgic, it's simply a clever phrase that has been beaten to death. I wish he would just leave and take Erin Esurance with him...

Dude, she's totally hot.

 

[sho nuff]

Hypocrisy at ESPN? No...

Steve Young..in the offseason basically saying Favre is done and should retire.

Fast forward to Monday night and Steve gushing about how Favre still has it.

Steve Young...at the draft, practically crying when the Packers took a defensive player and feeling bad because they did not get more to help Brett.

Fast forward to Monday night and Steve gushing about Favre playing well because he finally has a team around him.

 

[Saints-Man]

Subtle but key difference: the Patriots are just playing their normal game of football. As long as their opponents are kicking off to them, there's nothing wrong with trying to score.

The onside kick was going above and beyond normal football. Other examples of going above and beyond normal football (in order of dooshiness):

- going for 2

- fake punt

- trick plays

- showboating

- using timeouts on defense

- going for it on 4th down

Didn't the Pats go for it on 4th down instead of kicking a field goal?

I probably should have phrased it as "going for it on 4th down instead of punting when not inside the opponent's 30 yard line". If you're on the 5 yard line, then it's certainly better to go for it on 4th down than to kick a meaningless field goal.

Uh...how so? FB<TD. Why the 30? Is that just happens what the Patriots did?

 

[TommyGilmore]

Subtle but key difference: the Patriots are just playing their normal game of football. As long as their opponents are kicking off to them, there's nothing wrong with trying to score.

The onside kick was going above and beyond normal football. Other examples of going above and beyond normal football (in order of dooshiness):

- going for 2

- fake punt

- trick plays

- showboating

- using timeouts on defense

- going for it on 4th down

Didn't the Pats go for it on 4th down instead of kicking a field goal?

I probably should have phrased it as "going for it on 4th down instead of punting when not inside the opponent's 30 yard line". If you're on the 5 yard line, then it's certainly better to go for it on 4th down than to kick a meaningless field goal.

Why go for it on 4th down when up by so many points already? Just kick the freak'in field goal. Quit with the BS excuses.

The fans and ESPN talking heads are going to be more upset over the FG than the 4th down rush.

Uh...how so? FB<TD. Why the 30? Is that just happens what the Patriots did?

Outside the 30 yard line, the classy play is to punt. Inside the 30, punting is kind of irrelevant.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Berman seems like a nice enough guy personally but his schtick is played out and actually at the point of cringeworthy. Between his alternating teal and hot pink ties, to his douchy "NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS" and NFL "Norris" Division, to the bad nicknames, it's just unbearable any more. There hasn't been a New York Baseball Giants in 50 years; it's not nostalgic, it's simply a clever phrase that has been beaten to death. I wish he would just leave and take Erin Esurance with him...

Actually I've always heard that he is an arrogant ###hole in real life.

I've heard that, too.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

Make me hate him more, why doncha.

BTW Sid G, while Erin Esurance is hot, the ad campaign is awful and makes me want to vomit.

 

[sho nuff]

Subtle but key difference: the Patriots are just playing their normal game of football. As long as their opponents are kicking off to them, there's nothing wrong with trying to score.

The onside kick was going above and beyond normal football. Other examples of going above and beyond normal football (in order of dooshiness):

- going for 2

- fake punt

- trick plays

- showboating

- using timeouts on defense

- going for it on 4th down

Didn't the Pats go for it on 4th down instead of kicking a field goal?

I probably should have phrased it as "going for it on 4th down instead of punting when not inside the opponent's 30 yard line". If you're on the 5 yard line, then it's certainly better to go for it on 4th down than to kick a meaningless field goal.

Why go for it on 4th down when up by so many points already? Just kick the freak'in field goal. Quit with the BS excuses.

The fans and ESPN talking heads are going to be more upset over the FG than the 4th down rush.

Uh...how so? FB<TD. Why the 30? Is that just happens what the Patriots did?

Outside the 30 yard line, the classy play is to punt. Inside the 30, punting is kind of irrelevant.

4th-2, WAS37 7:16 M. Cassel passed to J. Gaffney to the left for 21 yard gain

 

[Yankee23Fan]

you know over the years I've just grown accustomed to rolling over on sunday morning and clicking on NFL countdown... this season has gotten so unbearable this sunday I'm going to break my routine. I've reached critical mass on what I can take. just thinking about emmitt & ditka makes me feel sick.

I got to this point last year. Haven't watched more then 10 minutes combined this year. Frankly, the pre game shows are all crap for fantasy news anyway. I don't want human interest stories, I want stats and injury updates, and an occasional weather check.So, I spend most of the pre game time here gett caught up. No fluff, all news, pick what I want to read and see, and I don't have to deal with it.I guess you can consider this a customer satisfaction report for the site. Who needs TV pre game when you have Footballguys?

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Berman seems like a nice enough guy personally but.....

He used to be a raving cokehead. Maybe he's got that under control now, but back in the day.........WHEW!

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

Who needs TV pre game when you have Footballguys?

This forum's Sunday morning pinned threads on injured players is way more valuable than any of the talking heads on the networks anyways. The fake humor generated by that little kid's unfunny schticky segment on ESPN's pregame gives me the same uncomfortable feeling inside as I would have if I farted out loud at church accidentally.

 

[tick dog]

Tom Jackson used to be very outspoken in his anti Patriot/Belichick views...in fact, I think this is why he's now sucking up, to repair the damage from his "Belichick has lost the team" comments after the Pats released Lawyer Malloy. He claimed that the players "hated" Belichick for dumping Malloy, and the Pats used that as an internal rallying cry for that entire season, part of the "us against the world" mentality that they thrive on. So while, yes, EntertainmentSPN is usually Boston/New York-biased, Jackson's current slob-job on BB/Pats might be due to lingering embarrassment for having gone so far out on a limb (players hate the coach) despite having ZERO knowledge of what was realy going on in the clubhouse and basically talking out of his ####.

 

[Road Warriors]

ESPN is based in Bristol Connecticut. They're Boston homers, always have been.

Bristol is Yankees country. Not a Boston sports fan in sight.

 

[Road Warriors]

Subtle but key difference: the Patriots are just playing their normal game of football. As long as their opponents are kicking off to them, there's nothing wrong with trying to score.

The onside kick was going above and beyond normal football. Other examples of going above and beyond normal football (in order of dooshiness):

- going for 2

- fake punt

- trick plays

- showboating

- using timeouts on defense

- going for it on 4th down

Didn't the Pats go for it on 4th down instead of kicking a field goal?

I probably should have phrased it as "going for it on 4th down instead of punting when not inside the opponent's 30 yard line". If you're on the 5 yard line, then it's certainly better to go for it on 4th down than to kick a meaningless field goal.

Why go for it on 4th down when up by so many points already? Just kick the freak'in field goal. Quit with the BS excuses.

The fans and ESPN talking heads are going to be more upset over the FG than the 4th down rush.

Uh...how so? FB<TD. Why the 30? Is that just happens what the Patriots did?

Outside the 30 yard line, the classy play is to punt. Inside the 30, punting is kind of irrelevant.

4th-2, WAS37 7:16 M. Cassel passed to J. Gaffney to the left for 21 yard gain

Not exactly Brady to Moss. I thought we agreed to let the second team play, regardless of the score. Putting in the backups IS calling off the dogs.

 

[Tom Servo]

Although not a Rams fan, I live in St. Louis, and today, I heard some interesting chatter. Some of the ESPN guys this week have said they had no problem with the Patriots running up the score the other day, saying that if you don't like it, do something about it. These were the same people who, back in 2001, criticized Mike Martz heavily for kicking an onside kick in the 3rd quarter while leading the Jets 31-7. I remember Tom Jackson being one of those who lashed out at Martz pretty harshly, yet the other day, Jackson, while saying it was probably not smart for Belichick to risk the health of his stars by leaving them in there too long in a blowout, said he had no problem with the Patriots actions. The hypocrisy of it all is pretty sad.

NE is above all negative talk.All sports talking heads love the Pats. I think they think it is the cool thing to do. The sports media is just like the national political media....one mind with an agenda.

Interesting you say that. 'DVE had on somebody from (IIRC) ESPN.com's page 2 who stated that he thought the whole running up the score controversy was designed to take all of the Spygate issue off the table from the sports media. It was BB's big middle finger to them to dare him to criticize him again. Going further, this person stated that BB knows that most sportswriters in insecure (?!?) and that they crave/need access to the team. By doing this, he insulates himself from further bad PR.Somebody else from da Burgh who heard this is free to back me up/fill in the blanks.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Subtle but key difference: the Patriots are just playing their normal game of football. As long as their opponents are kicking off to them, there's nothing wrong with trying to score.

The onside kick was going above and beyond normal football. Other examples of going above and beyond normal football (in order of dooshiness):

- going for 2

- fake punt

- trick plays

- showboating

- using timeouts on defense

- going for it on 4th down

Didn't the Pats go for it on 4th down instead of kicking a field goal?

I probably should have phrased it as "going for it on 4th down instead of punting when not inside the opponent's 30 yard line". If you're on the 5 yard line, then it's certainly better to go for it on 4th down than to kick a meaningless field goal.

Why go for it on 4th down when up by so many points already? Just kick the freak'in field goal. Quit with the BS excuses.

The fans and ESPN talking heads are going to be more upset over the FG than the 4th down rush.

Uh...how so? FB<TD. Why the 30? Is that just happens what the Patriots did?

Outside the 30 yard line, the classy play is to punt. Inside the 30, punting is kind of irrelevant.

4th-2, WAS37 7:16 M. Cassel passed to J. Gaffney to the left for 21 yard gain

Not exactly Brady to Moss. I thought we agreed to let the second team play, regardless of the score. Putting in the backups IS calling off the dogs.

Punt > rush > Cassel to Gaffney > FG > Brady to Moss > trick play.

 

[tick dog]

My personal take..

I think there is an unwritten rule in the NFL -- everyone knows everyone else does whatever it takes to gain an advantage, whether its ‘interviewing’ rivals’ players who have just been cut to learn about their playbooks (Jets and Caldwell this year) or stealing signs, on video tape or otherwise. Everyone does it. Everyone knows. No one makes a big deal about it because it just happens. Unwritten rule.

I think there is another unwritten rule: don’t run up the score. Well, when Belichick was "outed" by Mangini and roasted for violating rule #1, by coaches either calling him out or not supporting him, he said, “so much for unwritten rules” and said to Hades with unwritten rule #2 and is going to live by that philosophy all year long...much to the delight of Brady/Moss/Welker/Stallworth owners.

 

[Christo]

Out of the whole ESPN crew....Emmitt Smith is by far the worst. He needs to go next year.

The guy looks down at his script/notes too much, studders, and trips over his words all the time. It is pretty unbearable.

Of all the guys though I do like Tom Jackson and Jaws. That's about it.

 

[mggoilers]

ESPN has too many former players/coaches on the payroll. Some of the players are solid, but you only see them Monday-Friday.

Mark Schlereth is solid

Darren Woodson is solid

Eric Allen is solid

Golic is good on NFL Live

NFL Matchup is ESPN's best show, but it's on at 2 am.

Trey Wingo is becoming a smart aleck in training, he may be there but he's good when he tones it down a bit.

Berman is a joke, and Jackson just looks tired now

Jaws is solid, but Kornheiser just brings down the booth at times. Kornheiser's schtick belongs on the sidelines like Siragusa's role.

Rece Davis is a very good studio host, and gets his shown back on point when the other guys start pulling away.

I watch ESPN from 10-11, and then switch over to the other shows and wait for kickoff.

I really enjoy my Sirius for the NFL content, but those guys tend to get a little over the top. My favorite personality on NFL Radio is Brian McGovern, FWIW.

 

[brock]

Can't you please put "Patriots" in the thread title line so I know it's a thread that bashes them again. That way I don't have to open it.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Hypocrisy at ESPN? No...Steve Young..in the offseason basically saying Favre is done and should retire.Fast forward to Monday night and Steve gushing about how Favre still has it.Steve Young...at the draft, practically crying when the Packers took a defensive player and feeling bad because they did not get more to help Brett.Fast forward to Monday night and Steve gushing about Favre playing well because he finally has a team around him.

We should be doing more of this to give us better ideas of who isn't just feeding us back the same BS that just happened. As I said in my prior post it was too frequent