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Insoxicated
We take turns with her
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Insoxicated
For those who like videos:
This climb doesn't look steep.. but notice the guy slipping at the end >
I can't wait till it's warm enough to ride with no doors/top and the windshield folded down... much easier to spot your lines to avoid stuff like what stopped me for a minute there.
For fans of the skinny pedal >
Steep, rutted, and slick.... had to give it a little gas to get through this spot... let to some entertaining bouncing and thankfully no damage.
This climb doesn't look steep.. but notice the guy slipping at the end >
I can't wait till it's warm enough to ride with no doors/top and the windshield folded down... much easier to spot your lines to avoid stuff like what stopped me for a minute there.
For fans of the skinny pedal >
Steep, rutted, and slick.... had to give it a little gas to get through this spot... let to some entertaining bouncing and thankfully no damage.
Flying V
Footballguy
Hey [icon]...
I test drove a '01 Wrangler today. Among a bunch of other after market parts, it has about a 4" suspension lift, brand new 33X12.50 mudders, Dana 44 rear, tummy tuck, all professionally installed. When I'm accelerating and going through the gears, the Jeep tends to lunge toward the right when I push in the clutch. Nothing out of control or violent, but definitely noticeable. Any idea what's up with that?
I test drove a '01 Wrangler today. Among a bunch of other after market parts, it has about a 4" suspension lift, brand new 33X12.50 mudders, Dana 44 rear, tummy tuck, all professionally installed. When I'm accelerating and going through the gears, the Jeep tends to lunge toward the right when I push in the clutch. Nothing out of control or violent, but definitely noticeable. Any idea what's up with that?
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Footballguy
Maybe the headaches are from all the bumping around in your jeep
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1) ) Nice setup. I would find out which 4" lift it is. THere is a difference. Find out what components the lift included. at 4" you're going to want to get adjustable lower control arms (to restore the wheelbase), and adjustable upper control arms (to set caster on the front axle and the pinion angle in the rear). Also at that height you should have a CV rear driveshaft with a Slip Yoke elimnator.... ESPECIALLY with a Tummy Tuck. What you're looking for is a double cardan rear driveshaft that should have two U-joints up near the TCase output. To simplify it should look like this and not like this. This SYE/CV setup should eliminate driveline vibrations. If you feel some vibes when it's taking off then you might be missing this. It's about $500 in parts and a 4 hour install if you need it.
2) dana 44 rear is a NICE perk. That means you don't have to worry about your rear axle and is only found in about 10% of jeeps that aren't rubicons.
3) Tummy tuck is sweet. I'm about to get one as well. Great way to add 2-3" of ground clearance in the middle without raising your center of gravity.
Now.. down to your issue.... sounds like it's geared really low. My guess is you're sitting on 4.56 or 4.88 gears. This muliplies torque and allows your engine to more efficiently turn larger tires. I am not aware of any problems that would cause what your talking about. I know if I leave my jeep in 2nd and drive quickly as soon as I let off the gas it decelerates like you're talking about due to the gear pitch.
How much are you paying if you don't mind asking.
I'd make sure:
1) He's got a SYE/CV setup installed
2) Sounds like it's running 4.56/4.88 gears.. just make sure that's the case.
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Could be... the buildup has continued as has the flogging. Current damage tally:1) Bashed Auto Tranny pan that required dropping tranny pan then seating new gasket (Can Opener - superlift ORV)2) Dented front left fender panel due to contact with large rock 3) Badly compressed driver rear corner due to dropping off rock ledge and pressing bumper up into body (callis cutoff) 4) Dented Passenger Rocker panel due to coming down on a big rock on Ravine (superlift ORV)5) Dented windshield frame due to bouncing into tree on Can Opener (Superlift ORV)Updated Mods List:2004 Yellow TJ Sport4.0L Auto33x12.50 Maxxis BighornsD35 Rear w/ 3.732.5" OME LJ/XJ liftJKS Adjustable F/R TrackbarsBrown Dog 1" MMLDaystar 1" BLWarn Engine Skid (weak 1/8" steel)Aussie Locker (FR)Advance Adapters SYE & Tom Woods CV DriveshaftNth Degree Adjustable Upper Control ArmsBestop Oversize Tire CarrierNate's 4x4 Front/Rear Bumpers with weld-through clevis mountsSpydertraxx 1.25" Wheel SpacersIn the garage ready to install- JKS Quicker Disconnects- Poison Spyder Customs Rocker Knockers (with tube step)- Rubicon Express Extended front bumpstops- Teraflex Belly Up Transfer Case SkidAbout to pick up in the next week or two and swapping in shortly:- Ford 8.8 (31 spline) Rear Axle with 4.56 Gears- High Pinion Dana 30 Front Axle with 4.56 GearsMaybe the headaches are from all the bumping around in your jeep
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Footballguy
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Could be... the buildup has continued as has the flogging. Current damage tally:Maybe the headaches are from all the bumping around in your jeep
1) Bashed Auto Tranny pan that required dropping tranny pan then seating new gasket (Can Opener - superlift ORV)
2) Dented front left fender panel due to contact with large rock
3) Badly compressed driver rear corner due to dropping off rock ledge and pressing bumper up into body (callis cutoff)
4) Dented Passenger Rocker panel due to coming down on a big rock on Ravine (superlift ORV)
5) Dented windshield frame due to bouncing into tree on Can Opener (Superlift ORV)
Updated Mods List:
2004 Yellow TJ Sport
4.0L Auto
33x12.50 Maxxis Bighorns
D35 Rear w/ 3.73
2.5" OME LJ/XJ lift
JKS Adjustable F/R Trackbars
Brown Dog 1" MML
Daystar 1" BL
Warn Engine Skid (weak 1/8" steel)
Aussie Locker (FR)
Advance Adapters SYE & Tom Woods CV Driveshaft
Nth Degree Adjustable Upper Control Arms
Bestop Oversize Tire Carrier
Nate's 4x4 Front/Rear Bumpers with weld-through clevis mounts
In the garage ready to install
- JKS Quicker Disconnects
- Poison Spyder Customs Rocker Knockers (with tube step)
- Rubicon Express Extended front bumpstops
- Teraflex Belly Up Transfer Case Skid
About to pick up in the next week or two and swapping in shortly:
- Ford 8.8 Rear Axle with 4.56 Gears
- High Pinion Dana 30 Front Axle with 4.56 Gears
just sounds funny
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' date='Apr 30 2007, 10:48 PM' post='6693003']
Could be... the buildup has continued as has the flogging. Current damage tally:Maybe the headaches are from all the bumping around in your jeep
1) Bashed Auto Tranny pan that required dropping tranny pan then seating new gasket (Can Opener - superlift ORV)
2) Dented front left fender panel due to contact with large rock
3) Badly compressed driver rear corner due to dropping off rock ledge and pressing bumper up into body (callis cutoff)
4) Dented Passenger Rocker panel due to coming down on a big rock on Ravine (superlift ORV)
5) Dented windshield frame due to bouncing into tree on Can Opener (Superlift ORV)
Updated Mods List:
2004 Yellow TJ Sport
4.0L Auto
33x12.50 Maxxis Bighorns
D35 Rear w/ 3.73
2.5" OME LJ/XJ lift
JKS Adjustable F/R Trackbars
Brown Dog 1" MML
Daystar 1" BL
Warn Engine Skid (weak 1/8" steel)
Aussie Locker (FR)
Advance Adapters SYE & Tom Woods CV Driveshaft
Nth Degree Adjustable Upper Control Arms
Bestop Oversize Tire Carrier
Nate's 4x4 Front/Rear Bumpers with weld-through clevis mounts
In the garage ready to install
- JKS Quicker Disconnects
- Poison Spyder Customs Rocker Knockers (with tube step)
- Rubicon Express Extended front bumpstops
- Teraflex Belly Up Transfer Case Skid
About to pick up in the next week or two and swapping in shortly:
- Ford 8.8 Rear Axle with 4.56 Gears
- High Pinion Dana 30 Front Axle with 4.56 Gears
Driver Error... that and sheer stupidity for not having rocker guards on for this run.
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Group shot from our latest outing this past April >
180 members now and growing quickly.
We have club outings in East TN, Colorado (breckenridge area), Louisiana, Hot Springs AR , and Northern Mississippi planned over the next few months. If anyone wants to join in and ride with us (wide variety of rigs from stock to BUILT)... shoot me a PM.
180 members now and growing quickly.
We have club outings in East TN, Colorado (breckenridge area), Louisiana, Hot Springs AR , and Northern Mississippi planned over the next few months. If anyone wants to join in and ride with us (wide variety of rigs from stock to BUILT)... shoot me a PM.
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Flying V
Footballguy
It has the adjustable control arms and the SYE/CV setup. I'm not sure how it's geared, but I'm going to find out. I have no idea as to the brand of lift kit. I was wondering if this kind of thing was common to lifted Jeeps or a potential problem. I wish I could have checked the wear on the old tires before they were replaced.They are asking $13,500. Full doors with a soft top, Rhino Lined floor, 4.0L (93K miles) with 5-speed, quick disconnect sway bar, steering box skid plate, drop pitman arm, oversized tire carrier that mounts to a bumper that doubles as a pressurized air can (never saw that before!), K/N air intake, but oddly enough... no oil pan skid plate. For all the off-road stuff on it, there is hardly a scratch on the black paint.ETA: forgot the WARN rock sliders.
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Sounds like a well built rig. The air tank in the bumper is not common but I've seen it before. It's nice to have OBA (on board air) to adjust air pressure on the trail and to inflate tires when you unseat a bead on the trail (happened to an 2007 JK Unlimited on our last run).
The best places to look for off roading signs are on the underside. Look at the control arms.. the transfer case skid.. the differentials. If those are all clean then this guy just built a street queen and you get to enjoy the benefits without the drawbacks (wear and tear).
Has he claimed it has never been offroad?
Some common issues to look for:
1) Exhaust manifold cracks - should sound obvious.
2) Rear main seal leaks (check underside at back of engine for oil leaks)
3) Rear axle seal leaks
4) Bearings/Ujoints (listen for any unusual whistling/clunking when accellerating.
ETA: The lack of Oil Pan skid but the presence of a steering box skid leads me to believe this is a street queen (good thing). This also makes me suspect he might not have regeared. The decceleration you talk about when stepping off the gas SHOULD just be due to steep gears but it's tough to tell over the web.
The price is a bit high to be honest.. I think you should be able to talk him down a little.
Are you planning on wheeling this thing at all?
The best places to look for off roading signs are on the underside. Look at the control arms.. the transfer case skid.. the differentials. If those are all clean then this guy just built a street queen and you get to enjoy the benefits without the drawbacks (wear and tear).
Has he claimed it has never been offroad?
Some common issues to look for:
1) Exhaust manifold cracks - should sound obvious.
2) Rear main seal leaks (check underside at back of engine for oil leaks)
3) Rear axle seal leaks
4) Bearings/Ujoints (listen for any unusual whistling/clunking when accellerating.
ETA: The lack of Oil Pan skid but the presence of a steering box skid leads me to believe this is a street queen (good thing). This also makes me suspect he might not have regeared. The decceleration you talk about when stepping off the gas SHOULD just be due to steep gears but it's tough to tell over the web.
The price is a bit high to be honest.. I think you should be able to talk him down a little.
Are you planning on wheeling this thing at all?
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Flying V
Footballguy
I'm buying from a dealer that bought it at auction. He doesn't seem to realize just how much after market stuff is actually on this thing. Other than what I mentioned, it tracks down the road pretty straight, and everything else seems to be in darn fine shape. I'm really tempted to buy this sucker tomorrow. What's your opinion on the price?
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Honestly the price is just a bit high but not bad. If you can verify it's not been wrecked a mechanic clears it then I'd say jump on it. 98k miles for a TJ is a joke... the I6 4.0 is good for 200k easy if you maintain it properly.
Are you needing the accessories? Do you plan to wheel it?
The lift should be easy to tell.. just look at hte shocks and find out what kind are on there. Even just color (yellow = OME, Red/White = Skyjacker..etc) can help tell the brand of lift.
A 4" lift on a short arm suspension can tend to run a little rough at times... if you find the ride harsh you can upgrade the shocks or a nice improvement in ride.
Are you needing the accessories? Do you plan to wheel it?
The lift should be easy to tell.. just look at hte shocks and find out what kind are on there. Even just color (yellow = OME, Red/White = Skyjacker..etc) can help tell the brand of lift.
A 4" lift on a short arm suspension can tend to run a little rough at times... if you find the ride harsh you can upgrade the shocks or a nice improvement in ride.
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Winches are surprisingly similar. 8000lb is sufficient for a Jeep.. you typically want to go about 2x the weight of the vechicle (about 4000lbs for your rig). The milemarker 8000 is a cheap way to go... the Warn M8000 is a staple. Check out winchdepot.com for the best prices around. If you wheel with a group you might not need a winch.
Does your front bumper have a winch mounting plate? Is it the stock bumper? Some bumpers are less able to mount winches to.
Does your front bumper have a winch mounting plate? Is it the stock bumper? Some bumpers are less able to mount winches to.
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Flying V
Footballguy
I sometimes go with about 2 - 4 other jeeps, but I was the only one with a winch. It operated off the PTO on the Willys. Most often I go it alone, though. There are a lot of great trails around here, but most of them aren't legally open to me, so I have to sneak in and out. That's a lot easier when you're alone.The front bumper is a powder coated peice of channel iron with a couple of rubber stops. It's not home made, so I'm assuming it was designed to take a winch, but I've never mounted one.
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A winch mount might be needed.. you might be looking at $100 or so for one. not bad. Powder coating sucks on bumpers as it pits and flakes but it's not the end of the world if you don't do much rock crawling. You up near paragon? I hear ya on the illegal wheeling.... sucks that it's the only option at times but hey.. what can ya do
Wuld love to see pics if you get some 
Flying V
Footballguy
I'm about 8 miles north of the center of the Mason-Dixon Line. The Appalachien Trail runs right through my stompin' grounds. I don't know how to post pics on the web, but I'll gladly PM some to you if you like.' date='Apr 30 2007, 11:36 PM' post='6693193']
A winch mount might be needed.. you might be looking at $100 or so for one. not bad. Powder coating sucks on bumpers as it pits and flakes but it's not the end of the world if you don't do much rock crawling. You up near paragon? I hear ya on the illegal wheeling.... sucks that it's the only option at times but hey.. what can ya do
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Sure if ya want.I'm about 8 miles north of the center of the Mason-Dixon Line. The Appalachien Trail runs right through my stompin' grounds. I don't know how to post pics on the web, but I'll gladly PM some to you if you like.' date='Apr 30 2007, 11:36 PM' post='6693193']
A winch mount might be needed.. you might be looking at $100 or so for one. not bad. Powder coating sucks on bumpers as it pits and flakes but it's not the end of the world if you don't do much rock crawling. You up near paragon? I hear ya on the illegal wheeling.... sucks that it's the only option at times but hey.. what can ya doWuld love to see pics if you get some
Texasmouth
Footballguy
I ended up selling my CJ-7 and buying a 2000 TJ. Couldnt pass up the deal.
2000 Jeep TJ Sport
4.0L-34,000 miles
Auto-A/C-Cruise
Front and rear Loc-rite lockers
4.56 gears
4 inch tera Flex lift
1 inch bl
Sway bar quick disk connects
SYE
Nice interior
35 inch tires
$9500
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/Te...outh/jeepad.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/Te...outh/jeep12.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/Texasmouth/jeep7.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/Texasmouth/jeep4.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/Te...uth/Newtop3.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/Te...uth/newtop2.jpg
2000 Jeep TJ Sport
4.0L-34,000 miles
Auto-A/C-Cruise
Front and rear Loc-rite lockers
4.56 gears
4 inch tera Flex lift
1 inch bl
Sway bar quick disk connects
SYE
Nice interior
35 inch tires
$9500
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/Te...outh/jeepad.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/Te...outh/jeep12.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/Texasmouth/jeep7.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/Texasmouth/jeep4.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/Te...uth/Newtop3.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/Te...uth/newtop2.jpg
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Texasmouth
Footballguy
Since I bought it I put the new black top on that is in the pictures. I also added 35X12.50X15 Goodyear MTR's and some Jeeperman rock sliders. I got a smoking deal on the top. I bought it from a rich lady who sold her Mercedes CLK to buy a friggin Rubicon. She drove the jeep home from the dealership and decided she didnt like the soft top so she went back to the dealership and bought a two piece targa hard top. She told me she never plans to take it off road she just wanted the "nice one." I wanted to punch her in the face. Her Jeep had the rubicon express lift on it and some nice 33's. I ended up getting the soft top with the tinted windows, factory frame and all the hard ware for $400.
ragincajun
Footballguy
ICON: Where in Louisisana are oyu going. Cajun Jeep Jamboree is coming up is that it?
Flying V: Seems a bit high for that TJ, although it sounds like much of the cost is already taken care of in aftermarket parts. Go check out other jeep sites for the rigs in their classifieds to get a good indicator of the pricing. I am looking at a 99 Sahara with under 30K miles on it, Long Arm, Armor, Rear 44, Hardtop, Winch, Tummy tuck, Brand New 35's, for under 10K........
There are better deals out there.
Flying V: Seems a bit high for that TJ, although it sounds like much of the cost is already taken care of in aftermarket parts. Go check out other jeep sites for the rigs in their classifieds to get a good indicator of the pricing. I am looking at a 99 Sahara with under 30K miles on it, Long Arm, Armor, Rear 44, Hardtop, Winch, Tummy tuck, Brand New 35's, for under 10K........
There are better deals out there.
ragincajun
Footballguy
Does it have lockers??? That may cause this.
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Honestly the HIgh Pinion Dana 30 adds about 30% in strength. That coupled with hte fact that a regular D30 can run 35s with no problem means I'm now set to run my target tire (35s) with NO problem whatsoever and should be able to run up to 37s if I ever get so inclined (might go for a low COG flatfendered trail-rig 4-5 years down the road).... espeically with alloy shafts. I'll be adding an OX Selectable locker in the 8.8 this summer as well to accompany the Aussie up front
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Since I bought it I put the new black top on that is in the pictures. I also added 35X12.50X15 Goodyear MTR's and some Jeeperman rock sliders. I got a smoking deal on the top. I bought it from a rich lady who sold her Mercedes CLK to buy a friggin Rubicon. She drove the jeep home from the dealership and decided she didnt like the soft top so she went back to the dealership and bought a two piece targa hard top. She told me she never plans to take it off road she just wanted the "nice one." I wanted to punch her in the face. Her Jeep had the rubicon express lift on it and some nice 33's. I ended up getting the soft top with the tinted windows, factory frame and all the hard ware for $400.
That's a well set up rig ya got there. You're gonna love the way the TJs handle on hte trail over hte CJs (or was your CJ Sprung over?). Either way a comparably built TJ is definitely a superior trail rig IMHO.That is a helluva price.
You ever get up to superlift ORV in Hot Springs?
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It's the 3rd annual Jeep Expo in Hammond on June 8th through 10th I believe. We have a few guys from our club heading down including a libby (KJ) on 33s and beadlocks. Runs pretty well.
Flying V
Footballguy
Pretty sure it doesn't considering how smooth it takes tight turns. I'm guessing that under acceleration, the rear axle is torqueing slightly to the right, and when I push in the clutch, it's settling back into the proper alignment. I'm not quite sure how to test this theory, though.
Flying V
Footballguy
I agree. Unfortunately, they are no where close to where I live. Around here, nobody has to settle for book value when they sell their Jeep. I also like buying from this dealer because he has a good reputation. My BIL bought a car from him. When the fuel pump broke 3 days after the sale, this dealer replaced it free of charge. The other thing is, when I add up what a stock Jeep would cost, add in the cost of all the after market stuff and what it would cost to install it, it doesn't seem that far off. I guess I could get some friends to lend me their equipment and hands to install that kind of stuff myself, but then I'd owe them a return favor, and that hasn't worked out well for me in the past. Every time somebody calls in their marker, it comes at the most inconvenient time for me.
Add in the fact that this Jeep shows no signs of ever actually being off road, and I'm having a hard time walking away from it. When the dealer gets back this afternoon, I'm going to see how far down I can get him on the price.
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Sounds good Flying V...
I agree on the regional deals. Jeep prices are inflated here as well. Around here you're looking at $10-12k for a 1999-2001 model with $100K.. and that's for a basic rig with maybe a crappy 3" body lift and some worn out 33s or something.
Definitley look into the rig. It's possible it could have the rear swwaybar disconnected as well... if it feels like the rear is torquing more than usual. That said, I'm not sure why they would have pulled it if they were never taking it offroad. I leave mine in (you always want to leave the rear in) and I take mine some pretty crazy places that require significant flex.
Keep us posted on the negotiations.... got me curious how this goes
I agree on the regional deals. Jeep prices are inflated here as well. Around here you're looking at $10-12k for a 1999-2001 model with $100K.. and that's for a basic rig with maybe a crappy 3" body lift and some worn out 33s or something.
Definitley look into the rig. It's possible it could have the rear swwaybar disconnected as well... if it feels like the rear is torquing more than usual. That said, I'm not sure why they would have pulled it if they were never taking it offroad. I leave mine in (you always want to leave the rear in) and I take mine some pretty crazy places that require significant flex.
Keep us posted on the negotiations.... got me curious how this goes
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Flying V
Footballguy
I got him down to $12, 900. I don't think he's going to go any lower, but I'm going to give it another day before I bring the cash.' date='May 1 2007, 04:33 PM' post='6696703']Sounds good Flying V... I agree on the regional deals. Jeep prices are inflated here as well. Around here you're looking at $10-12k for a 1999-2001 model with $100K.. and that's for a basic rig with maybe a crappy 3" body lift and some worn out 33s or something. Definitley look into the rig. It's possible it could have the rear swwaybar disconnected as well... if it feels like the rear is torquing more than usual. That said, I'm not sure why they would have pulled it if they were never taking it offroad. I leave mine in (you always want to leave the rear in) and I take mine some pretty crazy places that require significant flex.Keep us posted on the negotiations.... got me curious how this goes
ragincajun
Footballguy
There is a company that will ship for 600 bucks. May be worth looking a bit more. 600 bucks in jeep mods wont get you far. Especially if you find a Long arm for around the same price.
That being said its not a bad deal. Have fun with it more importantly.
Icon: Yeah that is one of my clubs. They built a little test track at the dealership and I think they have a local run planned. I will be there if I ever get another heep. I came to this board via pirate and the Ipod thread.
That being said its not a bad deal. Have fun with it more importantly.
Icon: Yeah that is one of my clubs. They built a little test track at the dealership and I think they have a local run planned. I will be there if I ever get another heep. I came to this board via pirate and the Ipod thread.
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Ahhh pirate eh? That place is a little hardcore for me
that said.. those guys know their stuff
ragincajun
Footballguy
Was it pirate??? Or JU? Or ....... the IPOD thread?
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Yeah, my CJ was a sick monster but it sucked on the road. This jeep is like a caddillac on the highway compared to my CJ. My CJ was set up though and was one of the sickest rigs around here.' date='May 1 2007, 07:06 AM' post='6694142']
Since I bought it I put the new black top on that is in the pictures. I also added 35X12.50X15 Goodyear MTR's and some Jeeperman rock sliders. I got a smoking deal on the top. I bought it from a rich lady who sold her Mercedes CLK to buy a friggin Rubicon. She drove the jeep home from the dealership and decided she didnt like the soft top so she went back to the dealership and bought a two piece targa hard top. She told me she never plans to take it off road she just wanted the "nice one." I wanted to punch her in the face. Her Jeep had the rubicon express lift on it and some nice 33's. I ended up getting the soft top with the tinted windows, factory frame and all the hard ware for $400.That's a well set up rig ya got there. You're gonna love the way the TJs handle on hte trail over hte CJs (or was your CJ Sprung over?). Either way a comparably built TJ is definitely a superior trail rig IMHO.
That is a helluva price.
You ever get up to superlift ORV in Hot Springs?
I live out in Las Vegas so Hot Springs is a little far. We wheel alot out here. Right down the street from my house there is a 5800 acre off road area that is run by the BLM. It is awesome. There is also a kick ### place just 40 minutes up the road in a town called Logandale.
I have wheeled my new jeep a lot, it does what I want it to do.
My buddies went to the Hammers in Johnson valley, Ca this past weekend and my buddy rolled his XJ. Sick XJ too. Rear 8.8 with Detroit, lifted, 35's, locked front 44, winch, etc.
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My friends are hard core wheelers, they have trailer queens that cant drive on the road but they are nasty machines.
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Texasmouth
Footballguy
Pirate is a great site for info. I am on there daily.' date='May 1 2007, 02:49 PM' post='6697152']
Ahhh pirate eh? That place is a little hardcore for me
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For some reason I thought texasmouth was from texas
Ahhh the hammers eh? not sure there are a tougher batch of trails anywhere in the country.
We just had an XJ join up htat moved from that area. Dual detroits 8.8/D44 running 36s. Rig is full exo'd with zero glass on the rig. Every body panel is raisin'd as well... he's rolled it every time out for 3 years running.
Ahhh the hammers eh? not sure there are a tougher batch of trails anywhere in the country.
We just had an XJ join up htat moved from that area. Dual detroits 8.8/D44 running 36s. Rig is full exo'd with zero glass on the rig. Every body panel is raisin'd as well... he's rolled it every time out for 3 years running.
Texasmouth
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Im from Texas, I just live in Las Vegas.....Air Force.....' date='May 1 2007, 09:06 PM' post='6698836']For some reason I thought texasmouth was from texas
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Interesting study from a few sources including JD Power, ComsumerGuide, etc...
15% of SUVs ever go offroad
60% of Jeep Wrangler drivers take their vehicles offroad
80% of Jeep Wrangler Rubicon drivers take their vehicles offroad
30% of Hummer H3 Owners take their vehicles offroad
4% of Land Rover Owners take their vehicles offroad
15% of SUVs ever go offroad
60% of Jeep Wrangler drivers take their vehicles offroad
80% of Jeep Wrangler Rubicon drivers take their vehicles offroad
30% of Hummer H3 Owners take their vehicles offroad
4% of Land Rover Owners take their vehicles offroad
Texasmouth
Footballguy
I am a jeep guy through and through but a stock Jeep versus a stock land rover is no comparison. The Land Rover is a far more capable vehicle. In my opinion, the land rover with the tire on the hood (not sure the model name) is the baddest 4x4 ever made.
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You familiar with the Rubicon model?Dual Selectable Lockers, Solid Axles, Disconnectable sway bar, 4:1 Transfer Case : 31" MT Tires. 4:11 gears, class leading approach, departure, and breakover angles. capable of running water almost up to the hood thanks to high-vented Tcase, Diffs, & Tranny. Curious what the land rover model you're talking about was spec'd out as off hte factory floor?Texasmouth said:
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ragincajun
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More details please
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Of course I have heard of the Rubicon model. I have been driving jeeps for over ten years now. The stock Rubicon is a badass rig, you will never hear an argument out of me about that. I am just saying, the Land Rover Defender is by far the most capable trail rig ever built, granted, it is the price of three Rubicons. The Rubicon isnt exactly a "stock jeep" either. It is the ULTIMATE option package, but comparing the stock Jeep sport to a lot of other vehicles makes the Jeep look bad. They are extremely upgradeable but the dana 30/dana 35 combo is junk. The main thing I like about the defender is the optional engines including a diesel motor. I am a jeep guy, so ofcourse I would never drive anything except a Jeep, but if I did, it would be a defender, the cool one with the tire on the hood, in Yellow of course.......
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Right on.. I like the Defender.. don't get me wrong.Of course I have heard of the Rubicon model. I have been driving jeeps for over ten years now. The stock Rubicon is a badass rig, you will never hear an argument out of me about that. I am just saying, the Land Rover Defender is by far the most capable trail rig ever built, granted, it is the price of three Rubicons. The Rubicon isnt exactly a "stock jeep" either. It is the ULTIMATE option package, but comparing the stock Jeep sport to a lot of other vehicles makes the Jeep look bad. They are extremely upgradeable but the dana 30/dana 35 combo is junk. The main thing I like about the defender is the optional engines including a diesel motor. I am a jeep guy, so ofcourse I would never drive anything except a Jeep, but if I did, it would be a defender, the cool one with the tire on the hood, in Yellow of course.......
Here's to hoping the JK Diesel that is currently sold en Europe will be moved over here... I'd consider getting one if it was. Agreed D30/D35 is junk for anyone upgrading tires beyond 32s
Texasmouth
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Hey Icon, here are the videos of my buddies XJ getting pulled out.
