The Joe Rogan Experience (2 Viewers)

[massraider]

Neil hasn't been musically important for about 40 years, not including the lame MTV battle. 

So imagine when we were kids. It's the 1980's, and Benny Goodman announces he wants all his cassettes pulled from Tower Records. Imagine the impact that news would have on you. (I'm being kind to Neil with this comparison, he wishes).

I cannot wait for Baby Boomers to go away. 

 

[BassNBrew]

I know you know this, but Neil asking Spotify to decide between him or Rogan has nothng to do with free speech or anti-free speech

Agreed. To your point, its actually how we should allow people to express themselves. 

Maybe technically not, but if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

I hope Rogan isn't using his power to de-platform smaller artists.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I cannot wait for Baby Boomers to go away. 

Aren’t your parents baby boomers? 

 

[beer 30]

Agree on all. I just started listening to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History and Im addicted. He makes history fun. I have no idea why I didnt start listening to him until recently as Im an avid history reader. I'm over 20 hours in on his stuff on the Pacific war.

In my humble opinion, Carlin's magnum opus is Blueprint for Armageddon. You have to pay for it now but if you are an enterprising young man, you can find the episodes for free on the inner webs. Regardless of how you listen to it, you just have to. Probably the best thing I've ever listened to, so much so I've gifted it to my brother and listened to it a couple of times myself. Just a masterpiece.

A close second is Darryl Cooper's Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem. Would have never even known he existed until I heard his name mentioned in a throw away line either on Jocko's or Rogan's podcast. His Martyrmade Podcast is a constant in my rotation. He did a great one on Jim Jones recently.

#hijackover

 

[beer 30]

I cannot wait for Baby Boomers to go away. 

On behalf of us everywhere, #### you 

 

[trader jake]

I hope Rogan isn't using his power to [snip]

______.  That's now a fill-in the blank answer.

 

[simey]

Neil hasn't been musically important for about 40 years, not including the lame MTV battle. 

You either don't realize or don't care about Neil Young's influence in music to make this statement. 

 

[massraider]

You either don't realize or don't care about Neil Young's influence in music to make this statement. 

In the 1980's, I didn't realize or care about Benny Goodman's influence. 

 

[beer 30]

In the 1980's, I didn't realize or care about Benny Goodman's influence. 

Touche'

 

[unckeyherb]

Agree on all. I just started listening to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History and Im addicted. He makes history fun. I have no idea why I didnt start listening to him until recently as Im an avid history reader. I'm over 20 hours in on his stuff on the Pacific war. 

His "Wrath of the Khans" series is enthralling.  As is the "Blueprint for Armageddon" series, though its a little drier.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Not sure if Neil even owns his catalog at this point.

He sold a 50% interest in his catalog last summer - reportedly for $150m.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Why is this embarrassing for Neil? Spotify and Rogan should be the one’s who are embarrassed 

I generally don't side with the anti-free speech guy.

I know you know this, but Neil asking Spotify to decide between him or Rogan has nothng to do with free speech or anti-free speech

I didn't read it this way. Surely Neil Young knew that Spotify has a multiyear $100m+ contract with Joe Rogan. The quote I read is that he asked his agent to have his music removed from Spotify, and obviously Spotify has to comply.

 

[dawgtrails]

He sold a 50% interest in his catalog last summer - reportedly for $150m.

Meh. Dude hasn't been relevant in 40 years

 

[CletiusMaximus]

He sold a 50% interest in his catalog last summer - reportedly for $150m.

Meh. Dude hasn't been relevant in 40 years

Just answering the question - no opinion on the "relevance" of an aging rock star.

 

[dawgtrails]

He sold a 50% interest in his catalog last summer - reportedly for $150m.

Meh. Dude hasn't been relevant in 40 years

Just answering the question - no opinion on the "relevance" of an aging rock star.

Oh I know. My post was just a failed dig at @massraider

 

[dkp993]

Jim Rome?  I thought Chris Everett killed him in a fight

Wasn’t it Krissy?

 

[HellToupee]

Not remotely my point.   

More that I thought it was funny Neil had 0 problems with all that other stuff on Spotify during his time there, but for some reason Joe is the last straw.  

I doubt he even knows who he is 

 

[D-Day]

Neil Young is just trying to push a discussion about something he cares about.  He knows Spotify wouldn't drop Rogan.  I wouldn't be surprised if Rogan and Spotify were in on this before it was announced.  It gives them all publicity.  Rogan & Spotify get people noticing where to find the show, and NY gets people realizing he's not dead yet.

 

[SWC]

i have tried to listen to joe rogan and frankly i dont understand why people get so into him i do understand that different strokes for different folks and i am not criticizing anyone who likes him but he just isnt my old cup a tea take that to the bank brohans 

 

[[scooter]]

You either don't realize or don't care about Neil Young's influence in music to make this statement. 

In the 1980's, I didn't realize or care about Benny Goodman's influence. 

True, although pop culture works a little differently nowadays. Icons from the '50s and '60s have remained influential to subsequent generations. So, the analogy isn't quite apples-to-apples (clarinets-to-guitars?).

To put it another way: the number of Joe Rogan listeners who like Neil Young's music is greater than the number of [insert 1980s pop artist] listeners who liked Benny Goodman's music.

Nonetheless, I agree with the basic principle of your analogy. Neil Young outkicked his coverage here.

 

[massraider]

Oh I know. My post was just a failed dig at @massraider

Fair enough.  To be clear, I like Neil. His place in the history of rock music is unquestioned. But this isn't Bowie, or Prince. 

I don't think his stance is going to lose Spotify many listeners, because I don't think he is musically relevant at this point in history. You have a 70 year old (doesn't look a day over 90) Canadian rocker, going after the #1 podcast in the world.  Neil Young: 6 mill streams every month. Joe Rogan: 100 million plus.

As someone pointed out above, he sold half his publishing rights for 150 mill, so he can really afford to tell Spotify to kick rocks. What is 20 to 30 grand per month from Spotify, which he has to split, when he got paid 150 mill? Neil doesn't need Spotify. 

It occurs that perhaps the people that own half his publishing rights might not be thrilled that Johnny Protest is cutting off Spotify, and maybe that's why he deleted the letter he posted. 

All in all, he simply wound up looking silly. And that sucks. 

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Not a fan of ultimatums so it's pretty cool to see Spotify respond. I can't help but think this will actually help Neil because now there's a ton of people asking who tf is Neil Young? And it will probably gain him some fans who otherwise wouldn't have sought him out.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Not a fan of ultimatums so it's pretty cool to see Spotify respond. I can't help but think this will actually help Neil because now there's a ton of people asking who tf is Neil Young? And it will probably gain him some fans who otherwise wouldn't have sought him out.

Oh great, more miserable F’s. 

 

[E Street Brat]

Instead of trying to have Joe removed. Why wouldn't NY go on his show and prove to him how wrong he is?

 

[Joe Mammy]

Neil Young? Isn't he the guy in Sweet Home Alabama?

 

[glvsav37]

Agree on all. I just started listening to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History and Im addicted. He makes history fun. I have no idea why I didnt start listening to him until recently as Im an avid history reader. I'm over 20 hours in on his stuff on the Pacific war. 

I really wish is Common Sense podcast was still going on. That was the only political focused podcast at the time that I felt was true to fairness and honesty around modern politics. He was great at saying "folks, I know X is doing this now...but its was from the same playbook when Y did it during the Regan years, and here's why....and this was the outcome..." 

It really blunted a lot of the polarization around modern political posturing

 

[WDIK2]

Did Neil Young or his representatives say anything along the lines of, "and I ask my fellow artists to join me in requesting your material be removed from Spotify"?

 

[glvsav37]

Did Neil Young or his representatives say anything along the lines of, "and I ask my fellow artists to join me in requesting your material be removed from Spotify"?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/neil-youngs-music-is-being-taken-down-by-spotify-after-ultimatum-over-joe-rogan-11643230104

On Wednesday, Neil Young took more jabs at Spotify on his website, calling on others to join him in removing music from Spotify. “I sincerely hope that other artists and record companies will move off the Spotify platform and stop supporting Spotify’s deadly misinformation about Covid,” he wrote but added that he “can’t really expect that to happen.”

 

[HellToupee]

The 50% purchase of Neil Young’s catalog is quite the rabbit hole . 

 

[WDIK2]

On Wednesday, Neil Young took more jabs at Spotify on his website, calling on others to join him in removing music from Spotify. “I sincerely hope that other artists and record companies will move off the Spotify platform and stop supporting Spotify’s deadly misinformation about Covid,” he wrote but added that he “can’t really expect that to happen.”

Thank you.  Doesn't technically ask but "sincerely hopes" they do.  I'm sure there are artists out there going

 

[glvsav37]

Thank you.  Doesn't technically ask but "sincerely hopes" they do.  I'm sure there are artists out there going

I think artists are in a real tough spot here. Today, spotify has got to be the main driver for artists and their revenues. 
Touring isnt back to what it use to be, traditional radio is dead, even though Spotify pays very poorly in comparison, it really is the big dog on the block. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Freedom of Speech is the most misunderstood concept in this Country. Most people that throw it around really are clueless about what it actually stands for.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Kind of an embarrassing exit for Neil from Spotify . Who the hell encouraged him to do this , only going to punish Spotify listeners 

Sadly, this is ultimately the truth. I don't care about a failed comedian's podcast - I do care about listening to good music on a music streaming service though. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Sadly, this is ultimately the truth. I don't care about a failed comedian's podcast - I do care about listening to good music on a music streaming service though. 

Lol at failed comedian. I don’t think Rogan is the funniest comedian in the whole world but he’s certainly not a failed comedian. 
 

The podcast he hosts almost triples the highest ratings of mainstream media. He has a job commentating for the fastest growing sport in the world. He’s also building and opening up a comedy club in Texas. You may not like his politics and you may not think he’s funny but dude knows how to make money. He’s essentially built himself a $500 million empire.

I don’t get all the heat for the guy myself. I roll my eyes at some things he says he, he admits that he’s not very bright all the time, he is as humble as they come and he’s also genuinely sweet and honest with everybody he speaks with, even his detractors.

I don’t get all the hate for the guy myself. I roll my eyes at some things he says and, he admits that he’s not very bright all the time, he is as humble as they come and he’s also genuinely sweet and honest with everybody he speaks with, even his detractors.

If anybody has a problem with Joe Rogan that sounds like a personal problem to me.

 

[dawgtrails]

Definitely not a funny comedian

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Definitely not a funny comedian

I don’t find him very funny either. Failed is also not accurate.

I’m just trying to be fair and call things as I see them.

Hes not mean or a Richard so I give people like that some leeway. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Lol at failed comedian. I don’t think Rogan is the funniest comedian in the whole world but he’s certainly not a failed comedian. 
 

The podcast he hosts almost triples the highest ratings of mainstream media. He has a job commentating for the fastest growing sport in the world. He’s also building and opening up a comedy club in Texas. You may not like his politics and you may not think he’s funny but dude knows how to make money. He’s essentially built himself a $500 million empire.

I don’t get all the heat for the guy myself. I roll my eyes at some things he says he, he admits that he’s not very bright all the time, he is as humble as they come and he’s also genuinely sweet and honest with everybody he speaks with, even his detractors.

I don’t get all the hate for the guy myself. I roll my eyes at some things he says and, he admits that he’s not very bright all the time, he is as humble as they come and he’s also genuinely sweet and honest with everybody he speaks with, even his detractors.

If anybody has a problem with Joe Rogan that sounds like a personal problem to me.

I didn't say he wasn't smart or that he hasn't made himself successful in other endeavors. Nor did I say I hate him.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Neil hasn't been musically important for about 40 years, not including the lame MTV battle. 

So imagine when we were kids. It's the 1980's, and Benny Goodman announces he wants all his cassettes pulled from Tower Records. Imagine the impact that news would have on you. (I'm being kind to Neil with this comparison, he wishes).

I cannot wait for Baby Boomers to go away. 

How did some one not relevant sell (only) 50% of the rights to his music catalog for $150MM just a little over a year ago?

Do you know many irrelevant people making that kind of money?

ETA: I see you kind of addressed this in your usual way - so no need to respond (of course you can if you want to).

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I didn't say he wasn't smart or that he hasn't made himself successful in other endeavors. Nor did I say I hate him.

That wasn’t all directed at you GB. I probably should’ve started another text box after my first sentence or two.

He may not be able to fill an arena (anymore) but he can certainly make a career out of doing comedy if he chose to.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Comedy is also subjective. Tom Papa has a following and while I find him somewhat likable, I don’t think he’s ever said anything that I laughed at. I’m sure he makes more money than I do. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

That wasn’t all directed at you GB. I probably should’ve started another text box after my first sentence or two.

He may not be able to fill an arena (anymore) but he can certainly make a career out of doing comedy if you chose to.

I have nothing against Joe Rogan, personally. He seems likable and I loved the show News Radio (although his role wasn't very big) and I kind of liked Fear Factor at first.

I do see him as a "failed comedian" (because he was pretty bad and did not make it as a comedian, but he was still able to become a success in other endeavors and deserves whatever money he's making. His podcast is obviously popular. I listened a few times. It's not for me.

I listen to a lot of Neil and I'm pissed a service I pay for no longer gives me that option - that is obviously not Joe's fault though.

 

[The Z Machine]

Not sur if it's been brought up, but maybe this is Neil's way to screw over the company that bought those rights from him.  Like, "thanks for paying me, now you can't make any money off my work."

BTW, I have listened to a lot more NY on Spotify that Mr. Rogan.

 

[massraider]

How did some one not relevant sell (only) 50% of the rights to his music catalog for $150MM just a little over a year ago?

Do you know many irrelevant people making that kind of money?

I do not, but here's a great article of a bunch of people who sold their back catalogs. A bunch of relevant, and irrelevant names on this list. 

Relevant or not, I am completely bored by defending a take that is pretty common out there if you look, so I'll just bow out of the Young talk. 

 

[dawgtrails]

Comedy is also subjective. Tom Papa has a following and while I find him somewhat likable, I don’t think he’s ever said anything that I laughed at. I’m sure he makes more money than I do. 

Hmm. Tom Papa is one funny dude. His show on SiriusXM with Fortune is awesome

 

[DA RAIDERS]

i have tried to listen to joe rogan and frankly i dont understand why people get so into him i do understand that different strokes for different folks and i am not criticizing anyone who likes him but he just isnt my old cup a tea take that to the bank brohans 

this is me.  my BIL, has LOVED him for years.  so i gave him a shot years ago, way before covid and before 2020.  hell, maybe before 2016.  anyway, i just don't like his schtick.  he's not for me.

the BIL's wife, hates the JRE.  she says she didn't realize she was marrying joe rogan too.     some of the political BS has lessened my BIL's love for him.  but he's still a fanboy

 

[unckeyherb]

I have nothing against Joe Rogan, personally. He seems likable and I loved the show News Radio (although his role wasn't very big) and I kind of liked Fear Factor at first.

I do see him as a "failed comedian" (because he was pretty bad and did not make it as a comedian, but he was still able to become a success in other endeavors and deserves whatever money he's making. His podcast is obviously popular. I listened a few times. It's not for me.

I listen to a lot of Neil and I'm pissed a service I pay for no longer gives me that option - that is obviously not Joe's fault though.

I odn't know why you keep saying this.  He tours regularly and has a few Netflix specials.  He definitely made it as a comedian.

 

[belljr]

I really dug him early on.   He would have great interviews in the past. But haven't really listened in a long time and dont agree with his current stances.      Like take marijuana and cbd for example.   He was big proponent on using it for health and recovery but he did it in a way where if you didnt agree with him at least it made you think about it in a thoughtful matter.  I used to enjoy his takes on comedy/cancel etc and would agree with some stuff and disagree with other.   But it always felt to be coming from a intellectual thought provoking style.

Now it just feels like a glorified political podcast which I dont enjoy.   Thats just my opinion.  But there are many guys I used to really enjoy that I dont follow anymore for one reason or the other, so its not just him

 

[Ilov80s]

Neil hasn't been musically important for about 40 years, not including the lame MTV battle. 

So imagine when we were kids. It's the 1980's, and Benny Goodman announces he wants all his cassettes pulled from Tower Records. Imagine the impact that news would have on you. (I'm being kind to Neil with this comparison, he wishes).

I cannot wait for Baby Boomers to go away. 

This is true but the one difference is that in the 80s new music was really thriving. That’s not the case now. Data shows that the interest  in new music has really slowed down and for the first time ever, older music is far more popular than newer music.

There was just just a great article 

“Old Music is Killing New Music”

The current biggest new releases and hits are generally getting trounced in downloads and listens by music recorded 30-40 years ago

 

[Eephus]

Not sur if it's been brought up, but maybe this is Neil's way to screw over the company that bought those rights from him.  Like, "thanks for paying me, now you can't make any money off my work."

BTW, I have listened to a lot more NY on Spotify that Mr. Rogan.

Young sold 50% of the song publishing royalties. He still owns the recordings he made which gives him the ability to pull them from Spotify.  Covers of his songs will still pay songwriter royalties to Young and the co-owners.  The publishing royalty rate is only about 1/3 of the mechanical royalties paid for use of the recording.  Streaming royalty rates are very low so 1/3rd of that isn't very much.

Young's music wasn't getting a lot of streams anyway ( @Pip's Invitation notwithstanding).  I expect he'll be able to cover his streaming losses in the short term by more sales of physical media which have a much higher royalty rate than streaming does.

 

[The Z Machine]

I expect he'll be able to cover his streaming losses in the short term by more sales of physical media which have a much higher royalty rate than streaming does.

Are they making vinyl pressings of his best albums?  I would like to buy some.  Sure vintage is cool, but I don't mind supporting artists that I like, even if they are already multi-millionaires.