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The Justin Verlander farewell tour (1 Viewer)

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Raider Nation

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Something is seriously wrong with Justin Verlander. On Wednesday, the White Sox drilled him for seven runs in 5 2/3 innings, and in his previous start, he allowed five earned runs to the Blue Jays. The former AL MVP has a sub-par 4.61 ERA and 1.51 WHIP so far this season, and hasn't reached double-digit strikeouts in a game once. To top it off, he's lower on the Player Rater than Tim Lincecum.It isn't just that he's been hit around a lot. Even when he's produced quality starts, Verlander hasn't at all looked like an ace pitcher. He's allowed at least two runs in all but one start this season, and even in that exception -- a five-inning night against the Indians -- Verlander threw 113 pitches. And then there's his strikeout total -- with only 67 strikeouts in 91.2 innings, this will be the first time since 2008 (when he had a 4.84 ERA) that he won't approach matching a strikeout for each inning pitched, which is a benchmark for being an elite pitcher.
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FWIW I've never been a Verlander hater and am definitely not a Tiger hater, he's just not that special.

:shrug:

 
I would say give JV a break,

First he is 31, were you as good at 31 as you were at 25?????????????

He is coming off of Core muscle surgery, takes a little time to recovery 100 percent

Over the last few years he's pitch about 12,000 +/- pitches, Smokey over used him plain and simple, Tigers manage him better now

Walks are the biggest issue, he's to good to not figure this out

Kate Upton who would this not effect, a little Tony Romo going on here, not a big problem, but lucky him

JV will be fine, just fishing here by Raider Nation

 
Doctor Detroit said:
I encourage haters to fill up this thread so I can bump it for five straight years.

DO IT.
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Instead of just taking the very likely position that he'll be fine, how about telling us what the problem is (there clearly is one) and what he'll do to turn it around. That way, we can bump it for five straight years if you're wrong.

 
Raider Nation said:
Doctor Detroit said:
I encourage haters to fill up this thread so I can bump it for five straight years.

DO IT.
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Instead of just taking the very likely position that he'll be fine, how about telling us what the problem is (there clearly is one) and what he'll do to turn it around. That way, we can bump it for five straight years if you're wrong.
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Based on the articles posted recently, this is not the general feel of things. Or did you miss that in your haste and your taking the time to post this thread because you're a ####### crybaby?

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Raider Nation said:
Doctor Detroit said:
I encourage haters to fill up this thread so I can bump it for five straight years.

DO IT.
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Instead of just taking the very likely position that he'll be fine, how about telling us what the problem is (there clearly is one) and what he'll do to turn it around. That way, we can bump it for five straight years if you're wrong.
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Based on the articles posted recently, this is not the general feel of things. Or did you miss that in your haste and your taking the time to post this thread because you're a ####### crybaby?
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It's very likely to me.

But good work resorting to name-calling. :hifive:

 
Raider Nation said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Raider Nation said:
Doctor Detroit said:
I encourage haters to fill up this thread so I can bump it for five straight years.

DO IT.
Click to expand...
Instead of just taking the very likely position that he'll be fine, how about telling us what the problem is (there clearly is one) and what he'll do to turn it around. That way, we can bump it for five straight years if you're wrong.
Click to expand...
Based on the articles posted recently, this is not the general feel of things. Or did you miss that in your haste and your taking the time to post this thread because you're a ####### crybaby?
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It's very likely to me.

But good work resorting to name-calling. :hifive:
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The guy who bumps every thread when the other team loses feelings are hurt.

That's a shame. :bye:

 
Incidentally, it blows being stuck with a huge contract for a guy who can't pitch anymore.

Sabathia, C.C.

Hope Verlander isn't in the same boat.

 
My husband just said that if Verlander keeps this up he is going to make Barry Zito and C.C. Sabathia contracts look like steals. I didn't believe him him that C.C. was a real person until I came to this thread.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
I encourage haters to fill up this thread so I can bump it for five straight years.

DO IT.
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He had one of the most valuable fastballs in the league for several years and was able to get a lot of chases on his out-pitches. His fastball is now very hittable (due to overuse?) and I'm not sure that is something that will recover. Batters are chasing the junk less too.

If there is a way to take the other side of this without being the guy trolling you, put me on the sell side for Verlander. Of course he isn't a 5ERA pitcher, but I think people that called last year's 3.46 era a mild disappointment will wish he could ever duplicate that again. Not an ace anymore IMO.

 
Classic dead arm right now. I would shut it down for a month at least. He clearly has an arm issue. He has already thrown roughly over 30,000 pitches in his MLB career and that's not including around 1500 in the post season.

Core surgery, and over use and it's obvious. He has a dead arm right now. He is still very young though. So shut it down for a month.

 
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Everything's been on the slide for him for a few years, but it's gotten a lot worse this year. Velocity has dropped every year since 2009. He's managed to make do until this year, but now his K rate has cratered and his walk rate's way up.

I'm not saying he can't find a way out of this, but he's legitimately not very good right now.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Raider Nation said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Raider Nation said:
Doctor Detroit said:
I encourage haters to fill up this thread so I can bump it for five straight years.

DO IT.
Click to expand...
Instead of just taking the very likely position that he'll be fine, how about telling us what the problem is (there clearly is one) and what he'll do to turn it around. That way, we can bump it for five straight years if you're wrong.
Click to expand...
Based on the articles posted recently, this is not the general feel of things. Or did you miss that in your haste and your taking the time to post this thread because you're a ####### crybaby?
Click to expand...
It's very likely to me.

But good work resorting to name-calling. :hifive:
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The guy who bumps every thread when the other team loses feelings are hurt. That's a shame. :bye:
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Dr. D kind of has a point here.

 
Can't believe the Bucs gave up only a safety and still lost to the Ravens today

 
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May 30, he managed to goose his fastball velo back up to around 94 mph average. Kept it for a few starts too, probably due to some mechanical tweak? But the results didn't get better, the velocity's a problem, but the command moreso IMO.

 
from 09-13 including post season, has averaged 246 innings per. simply wear and tear. his usage reminds me of halladay, ages are different. could be pitching thru an injury.

 
GordonGekko said:
Guess the baseline question is, for those of us in fantasy leagues, redrafts to be exact, is Verlander a decent buy low at this point?
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If you can get him without giving up anything meaningful take a stab at it. I tried to buy him for one of my 1B's (Hosmer, Morneau, Singleton, Morales) because I have to bench one per week. I was shot down and pursued a different deal instead, but it's about the only thing I'd do at this point. Might as well use some excess to see if Verlander bounces back. Cannot start him until he puts 2 or 3 in a row though. His problem lately has been the third time through the order and for a guy with his experience that screams fatigue to me.

 
Some hard hit outs as the pitch count went up, kinda like the last few. Staying on my bench for at least another turn, but that was encouraging.

 
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