The league has to change the rule on kicking (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

Edited to say that I'm not sure what the solution should be, only that something should be done. Maybe something like, if the play has started and a set number of seconds has elapsed since the OL was set (maybe two?), the TO doesn't count. That could work both for and against the kicking team and visa versa, depending on whether the kick was made obviously. Also, it wouldn't 100% prevent TO from being called and the play starting, but it would help.

That's all I have to say about that - Forrest Gump

 

[apalmer]

Isn't that when about 90% of TO's are called?

 

[RascalKing]

I'm in on this...

Unfortunately I think it's going to take something like a season ending injury on one of these to raise some eyebrows.

 

[mr blond]

Isn't it calling timeouts from the sidelines that's the problem here?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

A team should not be allow to call timeout once a team comes to the line of scrimmage.

 

[FavreCo]

What? You gotta be kidding. So if the play clock is winding down, the offense is under the same rule. They are at the LOS and cannot take a timeout to avoid a 5 yard penalty? Or does your idea only apply to icing the kicker.

Ridiculous.

 

[Hellfire Snail]

A team should not be allow to call timeout once a team comes to the line of scrimmage.

 

[B-Deep]

I agree with what Ditka said, it is not in the "spirit of the game". That being said, the raiders puling it one week after the Broncos pulled it on them was hilarious.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Isn't it calling timeouts from the sidelines that's the problem here?

I think this is more on point.

 

[Ghost Rider]

A team should not be allow to call timeout once a team comes to the line of scrimmage.

Terrible idea.

 

[B-Deep]

Isn't it calling timeouts from the sidelines that's the problem here?

seems like it to me

 

[BroadwayG]

A team should not be allow to call timeout once a team comes to the line of scrimmage.

This is the greatest idea since the forward pass.However, I'm pretty sure Hannibal won't be able to make it to any games.

 

[porkins]

I absolutely cannot stand that the coach can call timeout from the sidelines now.

Why did they change the rule so that they could. The players on the field ultimately controll what happens on the field. Someone on the sidelines should have that much power.

 

[Max Power]

I dont see a problem with it. Whatever wins games.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

As long as the league allows it, it'll happen.

It sucks for both the Browns and the Raiders, but don't forget, their kickers had a chance to make the field goal after the timeout and both failed. Maybe they both need better kickers. I doubt Vinatieri would miss after a timeout.

 

[apalmer]

Isn't it calling timeouts from the sidelines that's the problem here?

seems like it to me

So we don't think a coach is smart enough to tell his defensive captain in advance to call timeout once the kicker is set up?

 

[B-Deep]

Isn't it calling timeouts from the sidelines that's the problem here?

seems like it to me

So we don't think a coach is smart enough to tell his defensive captain in advance to call timeout once the kicker is set up?

surebut the kicking team could see he was doing it. Also, if a ref in the middle of the field gets the timeout there is a much greater chance that he'll be able to blow the whistle and waive his arms to stop the playPLUS the defensive captain is on the other side of the line of scrimmage and may have a harder time seeing things to properly time itWill it solve everything, dunno, but I think the sideline timeouts make it worse

 

[Alias]

A team should not be allow to call timeout once a team comes to the line of scrimmage. That's all I have to say about that - Forrest Gump

I am confused, are you complaining about icing the kicker? or am I missing something else that has been going on?

 

[jonessed]

All TOs should be called from the field.

 

[The_Man]

I thought the Broncos' timeout last week was a lot more bogus than this one. On that one, nobody heard the whistle until after the kick. This time, the whistle was clearly before the snap and both sides didn't really play the down -- it looked to me like the Browns Kicker just went ahead and kicked to get the practice in, even though he knew it wasn't a live play.

 

[Modog814]

Isn't it calling timeouts from the sidelines that's the problem here?

seems like it to me

This wouldn't stop it, the coach could just tell a player on the field to grab a ref and call timeout. This isn't a new thing, I've seen it done for years (it just seems like this is the first year that it's actually worked). If you watch the Denver/Oakland game when they called the timeout, I believe that J. Lynch was also by the ref signalling the time out as well as Shanahan. And it could work the other way as well (the kicker missing the field go and then making it on the 2nd try) I seem to remember this happening to Shanahan as well a couple years ago (although I could be wrong). I don't have a problem with this at all. It's there timeouts that they've been allotted, let them use them anyway they wish. And in the case of Oakland on Sunday or Denver the week before it's not like they can save the Time outs for next week, let them play some mind games.

 

[B-Deep]

A team should not be allow to call timeout once a team comes to the line of scrimmage. That's all I have to say about that - Forrest Gump

I am confused, are you complaining about icing the kicker? or am I missing something else that has been going on?

the last 2 weeks a kicker has been "iced" by a timeout called on the sidelines so late that play could not be stopped. Both times the first kick was good, but the second kick failed

 

[gianmarco]

If both of those kicks were made, this thread wouldn't exist. Blame the kickers/FG unit, not the "icing" TO.

 

[JohnnyU]

A team should not be allow to call timeout once a team comes to the line of scrimmage. That's all I have to say about that - Forrest Gump

I am confused, are you complaining about icing the kicker? or am I missing something else that has been going on?

No, I'm not complaining about icing the kicker, I'm complaining about teams being able to call timeout right before the snap, thus having situations where the play is in motion about the same time as when the timeout is called. I believe once an offensive team goes to the line of scrimmage the other team shouldn't be allowed to call timeout, whether it's from players on the field or the sidelines. If teams want to ice the kicker, they can do it before they are set to kick.

 

[B-Deep]

If both of those kicks were made, this thread wouldn't exist. Blame the kickers/FG unit, not the "icing" TO.

perhapsbut i still think it is a stupid tactic that is not really within the spirit of the game. I'd like to see them find a way to stop it, though i do not know how.

 

[PranksterJD]

A team should not be allow to call timeout once a team comes to the line of scrimmage. That's all I have to say about that - Forrest Gump

I am confused, are you complaining about icing the kicker? or am I missing something else that has been going on?

the last 2 weeks a kicker has been "iced" by a timeout called on the sidelines so late that play could not be stopped. Both times the first kick was good, but the second kick failed

so make the second kick then. Get pissed that the opponents coach did that and use the energy to shove it back down his throat.

 

[mattyt]

As long as the league allows it, it'll happen.It sucks for both the Browns and the Raiders, but don't forget, their kickers had a chance to make the field goal after the timeout and both failed. Maybe they both need better kickers. I doubt Vinatieri would miss after a timeout.

 

[B-Deep]

A team should not be allow to call timeout once a team comes to the line of scrimmage. That's all I have to say about that - Forrest Gump

I am confused, are you complaining about icing the kicker? or am I missing something else that has been going on?

the last 2 weeks a kicker has been "iced" by a timeout called on the sidelines so late that play could not be stopped. Both times the first kick was good, but the second kick failed

so make the second kick then. Get pissed that the opponents coach did that and use the energy to shove it back down his throat.

yeah the kicker should have made it, I agreeI just think the tactic is dumb, it hurts the flow and the drama of the game, and they should find a way to stop it.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Isn't that when about 90% of TO's are called?

End of thread?

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

A team should not be allow to call timeout once a team comes to the line of scrimmage. That's all I have to say about that - Forrest Gump

I am confused, are you complaining about icing the kicker? or am I missing something else that has been going on?

the last 2 weeks a kicker has been "iced" by a timeout called on the sidelines so late that play could not be stopped. Both times the first kick was good, but the second kick failed

if the refs don't notice it until after the ball is snapped, it's not a timeout. if they do, then its a timeout. simple as that.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

A team should not be allow to call timeout once a team comes to the line of scrimmage.

That's all I have to say about that - Forrest Gump

I am confused, are you complaining about icing the kicker? or am I missing something else that has been going on?

No, I'm not complaining about icing the kicker, I'm complaining about teams being able to call timeout right before the snap, thus having situations where the play is in motion about the same time as when the timeout is called. I believe once an offensive team goes to the line of scrimmage the other team shouldn't be allowed to call timeout, whether it's from players on the field or the sidelines. If teams want to ice the kicker, they can do it before they are set to kick.

So if the offense lines up in a formation that confuses a defense, they shouldn't be able to call a timeout? I disagree.

 

[rascal]

A team should not be allow to call timeout once a team comes to the line of scrimmage. That's all I have to say about that - Forrest Gump

It happened to the Raiders the week before against the Broncos.Why not? They may not have the right formation or something. That's complete crap to suggest you can't call a TO once a team goes to the LOS. What about teams that run a no huddle? Is the defense not allowed to call a TO?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I agree with what Ditka said, it is not in the "spirit of the game". That being said, the raiders puling it one week after the Broncos pulled it on them was hilarious.

I like the rule - of course I had Denver last week, and Oakland this week in the FBG suicide pool!!

 

[atcdav]

Its gamesmenship. Maybe a little dirty but everyone can do it. Alls fair love and war.

 

[RUSF18]

A team should not be allow to call timeout once a team comes to the line of scrimmage.

That's all I have to say about that - Forrest Gump

I am confused, are you complaining about icing the kicker? or am I missing something else that has been going on?

No, I'm not complaining about icing the kicker, I'm complaining about teams being able to call timeout right before the snap, thus having situations where the play is in motion about the same time as when the timeout is called. I believe once an offensive team goes to the line of scrimmage the other team shouldn't be allowed to call timeout, whether it's from players on the field or the sidelines. If teams want to ice the kicker, they can do it before they are set to kick.

So it's a critical 4th and inches and the Saints break huddle with their usual cast -- Bush, Brees, Colston, etc. But when they line up, they split Brees out wide and leave Bush set back in a shotgun waiting for the snap, with McAllister beside him. The defense is confused...but no, they can't call timeout to regroup and gameplan. You should keep up the "coaches shouldn't be able to call TOs from the sideline" argument and stop burying yourself further.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Isn't it calling timeouts from the sidelines that's the problem here?

What difference does it make who calls the timeout??It still comes down to executing plays on the field. Oakland last week, and Cleveland this week, did not lose games because of teh timeout. They lost because they could not execute on the field. Make those kicks, and we are not having this discussion.

 

[Xenopax]

I'm all for the idea that the timeout has to come from the field and not the sideline.

 

[s_ezy]

my father golfed with Phil Dawson (the browns kicker)

my dad asked him about "being iced' before a kick, Phil's response:

"i am on the bench waiting for 58 mintues of a game anyways, another minute doesn't bother me"

the problem with the second kick was the O-Line didn't do there job.

 

[Shipshewana Psychos]

The Head coach of a football team has just as much right to call a timeout as the players on the field. I think the timeout rules are fine the way they are.

If a coach in the booth upstairs notices a strange formation and notifies the head coach he should be able to call time out if he wants to. The players on the field may not always recognize a situation that the coach wants to take a time out in.

It would be utterly ridiculous for the NFL or any other sport to take time management out of the hands of the coaches and force the players to be the only people calling timeout.

These are grown men. If this was a Pee Wee league I could understand the "that's not fair" attitude. The NFL is all about mindgames. Why are there so many coaches that are so vague about there injury reports. It's all mindgames. And I think it is all well within the rules and the sportsmanship of the game.

Every coach in the league should be using these tactics. If it was "dumb", it would never work.

 

[Koya]

So what happens if you realize at the last moment that you have too many, or too few players? If it is within 5 seconds of the snap you are screwed?

 

[CrossEyed]

The coach wouldn't look like such a genius if the kicker missed the first FG but made the second one.

 

[larz]

Didn't the Raiders call a TO to ice Vinatieri in overtime in 2001 giving the Patriots had time to clear the snow away? Doh.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

my dad asked him about "being iced' before a kick, Phil's response:"i am on the bench waiting for 58 mintues of a game anyways, another minute doesn't bother me"

Damn. What a way to make a living. I'm doing something wrong lol.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't know what the solution is, but I do believe something should prevent teams from calling TO that close to when the ball is snapped.

 

[The Vision]

Maybe it's just me but it seems like the time outs are taken after a pre-snap move is made by the kicking team. Is that whats going on? I'm not sure how teams handle the snap count on FG's but I would bet opposing coaches are going off something they have seen on tape and using it in-game.

 

[BroadwayG]

I don't know what the solution is, but I do believe something should prevent teams from calling TO that close to when the ball is snapped.

I think the refs shouldn't be able to call false start penalties that close to when the ball is snapped either.

 

[yesitsme]

There is something wrong with that rule.

It is not in the spirit of the game to have the kicker actually kick the ball and have it go thru only to learn that the coach called a timeout just prior to the kick and then rekick it.

I'm surprised at how many people say,"Hey, whatever wins games man." Are you the same people that got all over the Patriots for stealing signals?

Sure, it's legal to do what they're doing, calling the timeouts.....but it doesn't make it right.

Should you be allowed to ice the kicker? Yes

Should you be allowed to call a timeout as the guy is kicking the ball? NO

So, somehow you need to make a rule that allows both of those things to happen.

 

[yesitsme]

I don't know what the solution is, but I do believe something should prevent teams from calling TO that close to when the ball is snapped.

I think the refs shouldn't be able to call false start penalties that close to when the ball is snapped either.

Why?

 

[yesitsme]

So what happens if you realize at the last moment that you have too many, or too few players? If it is within 5 seconds of the snap you are screwed?

Since the league/coaches are manipulating the rule.....then yes. After the game you can reem out the respective player who was sitting on his butt and whatever coach was responsible for not having his players in the game.

 

[thesurfshop19]

I'm all for the idea that the timeout has to come from the field and not the sideline.

This doesn't solve the problem.The first example I can really remember of this was in the Steelers-Titans playoff game after the 2002 season. Back then, coaches couldn't call TOs from the sideline.Nedney set up for the GW FG, Steelers players called TO at the last second and he made the practice shot. He then missed the "real one" but the Steelers were called for running into the kicker so the Titans got a 3rd crack at it and won the game.There have been 2 straight flukish weeks where the tactic worked, but it's not a new issue now, and taking timeouts away from the coach doesn't fix the problem, since it has existed before.I think it's cheap but pretty tough to legislate against. I'm mainly stunned that it's worked in 2 straight weeks.