The London Effect (1 Viewer)

[HairySasquatch]

What kind of effect does traveling to London have on players? What kind of production have we had in the past? Teams often struggle going from the West coast to the East coast for an earlier game.

I'm avoiding players off both Min and Pitt for fear of their being a let down in production. I like the Pitt passing match up but am choosing to bench Rothlisberger and A. Brown because of the travel.

Anyone else doing this?

 

[Clifford]

Didn't realize we had gotten to the part of the season where we sacrifice a game on the alter of global trade.

And we're doing two now? I really don't get this. The UK will never be a market for the NFL. Mexico City was a much better target.

Here's the box score

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012102804/2012/REG8/patriots@rams#menu=highlights&tab=analyze

 

[Insein]

Didn't realize we had gotten to the part of the season where we sacrifice a game on the alter of global trade.

And we're doing two now? I really don't get this. The UK will never be a market for the NFL. Mexico City was a much better target.

Here's the box score

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012102804/2012/REG8/patriots@rams#menu=highlights&tab=analyze

Yea I never understood why they steered away from Mexico. Much bigger population that is far more familiar with American football. There are plenty of Hispanic players to follow and root for and travel wouldn't have been a ridiculous burden.

London and Europe in general makes no sense. They don't like our game. World league should have shown that. Having and nfl franchise in London would be ridiculous.

 

[Clifford]

Goodell has never struck me as particularly bright or having much marketing savvy.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Do not bench Brown.

 

[Insein]

Goodell has never struck me as particularly bright or having much marketing savvy.

No. Which I guess makes sense on why he's so hell bent on London.

 

[ebsteelers]

having a team in london would be damn near impossible and would disband in a few years if it didnt have league funding..

you'll never get free agent.. and imagine getting drafted number 1.. great you get to go to london.

travel would be a nightmare, you'd have to play 3 games in a road in the states or something.

imagine having to draft out to seattle?

 

[The Hank]

Didn't realize we had gotten to the part of the season where we sacrifice a game on the alter of global trade.

And we're doing two now? I really don't get this. The UK will never be a market for the NFL. Mexico City was a much better target.

Here's the box score

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012102804/2012/REG8/patriots@rams#menu=highlights&tab=analyze

Yea I never understood why they steered away from Mexico. Much bigger population that is far more familiar with American football. There are plenty of Hispanic players to follow and root for and travel wouldn't have been a ridiculous burden.

London and Europe in general makes no sense. They don't like our game. World league should have shown that. Having and nfl franchise in London would be ridiculous.

Umm... Mexico isnt the safest of places to travel to.

 

[Insein]

Didn't realize we had gotten to the part of the season where we sacrifice a game on the alter of global trade.

And we're doing two now? I really don't get this. The UK will never be a market for the NFL. Mexico City was a much better target.

Here's the box score

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012102804/2012/REG8/patriots@rams#menu=highlights&tab=analyze

Yea I never understood why they steered away from Mexico. Much bigger population that is far more familiar with American football. There are plenty of Hispanic players to follow and root for and travel wouldn't have been a ridiculous burden.London and Europe in general makes no sense. They don't like our game. World league should have shown that. Having and nfl franchise in London would be ridiculous.

Umm... Mexico isnt the safest of places to travel to.

While that is true, the tourist areas are generally protected. Something like the nfl coming in I would think gets priority.

 

[The Hank]

Didn't realize we had gotten to the part of the season where we sacrifice a game on the alter of global trade.

And we're doing two now? I really don't get this. The UK will never be a market for the NFL. Mexico City was a much better target.

Here's the box score

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012102804/2012/REG8/patriots@rams#menu=highlights&tab=analyze

Yea I never understood why they steered away from Mexico. Much bigger population that is far more familiar with American football. There are plenty of Hispanic players to follow and root for and travel wouldn't have been a ridiculous burden.London and Europe in general makes no sense. They don't like our game. World league should have shown that. Having and nfl franchise in London would be ridiculous.

Umm... Mexico isnt the safest of places to travel to.

While that is true, the tourist areas are generally protected. Something like the nfl coming in I would think gets priority.

Players would more than likely have to live there as well, and move their families down there -- I just dont see many players signing on for that as well.

Their best bet is Canada for international I'm afraid.

 

[Not Sleeping]

Didn't realize we had gotten to the part of the season where we sacrifice a game on the alter of global trade.

And we're doing two now? I really don't get this. The UK will never be a market for the NFL. Mexico City was a much better target.

Here's the box score

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012102804/2012/REG8/patriots@rams#menu=highlights&tab=analyze

Yea I never understood why they steered away from Mexico. Much bigger population that is far more familiar with American football. There are plenty of Hispanic players to follow and root for and travel wouldn't have been a ridiculous burden.

London and Europe in general makes no sense. They don't like our game. World league should have shown that. Having and nfl franchise in London would be ridiculous.

Umm... Mexico isnt the safest of places to travel to.

Ha ha, that's exactly what I was thinking. Mexico might not seem as great when an entire NFL team is held hostage by a drug gang. Although it would be funny if they chose to kidnap the Jacksonville Jaguars and nobody cared.

 

[Squintz82]

Starting the Vikings DST with confidence

 

[Sweet Love]

Didn't realize we had gotten to the part of the season where we sacrifice a game on the alter of global trade.

And we're doing two now? I really don't get this. The UK will never be a market for the NFL. Mexico City was a much better target.

Here's the box score

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012102804/2012/REG8/patriots@rams#menu=highlights&tab=analyze

Yea I never understood why they steered away from Mexico. Much bigger population that is far more familiar with American football. There are plenty of Hispanic players to follow and root for and travel wouldn't have been a ridiculous burden.London and Europe in general makes no sense. They don't like our game. World league should have shown that. Having and nfl franchise in London would be ridiculous.

Umm... Mexico isnt the safest of places to travel to.

While that is true, the tourist areas are generally protected. Something like the nfl coming in I would think gets priority.

Yeah, a bunch of 20 something millionaires wouldn't get into trouble living in Cancun...could you imagine Aaron Hernandez down there? They'd be digging up severed heads from the sand right now.

 

[Short Corner]

Didn't realize we had gotten to the part of the season where we sacrifice a game on the alter of global trade.

And we're doing two now? I really don't get this. The UK will never be a market for the NFL. Mexico City was a much better target.

Here's the box score

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012102804/2012/REG8/patriots@rams#menu=highlights&tab=analyze

Yea I never understood why they steered away from Mexico. Much bigger population that is far more familiar with American football. There are plenty of Hispanic players to follow and root for and travel wouldn't have been a ridiculous burden.London and Europe in general makes no sense. They don't like our game. World league should have shown that. Having and nfl franchise in London would be ridiculous.

Umm... Mexico isnt the safest of places to travel to.

While that is true, the tourist areas are generally protected. Something like the nfl coming in I would think gets priority.

Yeah, a bunch of 20 something millionaires wouldn't get into trouble living in Cancun...could you imagine Aaron Hernandez down there? They'd be digging up severed heads from the sand right now.

My guess is that all of the wannabe thugs would be the ones losing their heads.

And the NFL would get priority of what? (post above) The cartels run #### down there.

 

[BigBetz]

Starting Peterson. He gets his FB back after a 3 week suspension...

 

[Titletown_Favres]

what sucks is one team loses a "home" game on the schedule - right

 

[ratbast]

I don't think the sample size is big enough and the teams themselves have been pretty bad that played abroad.

 

[KellysHeroes]

what sucks is one team loses a "home" game on the schedule - right

yes, not sure how this works with PCL and season tickets (assuming holders are charged for 9 games instead of 10) but playing overseas most be so profitable that an owner signs off on losing the revenue of a home game.

 

[Insein]

Didn't realize we had gotten to the part of the season where we sacrifice a game on the alter of global trade.

And we're doing two now? I really don't get this. The UK will never be a market for the NFL. Mexico City was a much better target.

Here's the box score

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012102804/2012/REG8/patriots@rams#menu=highlights&tab=analyze

Yea I never understood why they steered away from Mexico. Much bigger population that is far more familiar with American football. There are plenty of Hispanic players to follow and root for and travel wouldn't have been a ridiculous burden.London and Europe in general makes no sense. They don't like our game. World league should have shown that. Having and nfl franchise in London would be ridiculous.

Umm... Mexico isnt the safest of places to travel to.

While that is true, the tourist areas are generally protected. Something like the nfl coming in I would think gets priority.

Yeah, a bunch of 20 something millionaires wouldn't get into trouble living in Cancun...could you imagine Aaron Hernandez down there? They'd be digging up severed heads from the sand right now.

My guess is that all of the wannabe thugs would be the ones losing their heads.And the NFL would get priority of what? (post above) The cartels run #### down there.

Government has some say. They let the cartels do what they want as long as they don't mess with tourism and things that make Mexico look good as ironic as that sounds.

 

[HairySasquatch]

Here is a link to the history of each of the games played in London. Google is powerful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_International_Series

Nothing stands out to me as a trend....Not enough games to come to a conclusion.....other than maybe when a good team plays, they still put up points. May end up starting my Steelers after all.....wait, am I calling them a good team? Dang, I just talked myself out of it again.

 

[jdkapow]

Here is a link to the history of each of the games played in London. Google is powerful.

Pro-football-reference is more effective:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=ADaIh

STL 2012 2012-10-28 NWE L 7-45

TAM 2011 2011-10-23 CHI L 18-24

SFO 2010 2010-10-31 DEN W 24-16

TAM 2009 2009-10-25 NWE L 7-35

NOR 2008 2008-10-26 SDG W 37-32

MIA 2007 2007-10-28 NYG L 10-13

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

The model for the London game is as follows: Take a team that is down but supposedly on their way up, and willing to sacrifice a home game to get them some exposure. Pair them up against a "brand name" that will be the draw for the game. Bake at 325* for 40 minutes.

So that's why you see the majority of "home teams" lose these. They are usually the inferior team going in. This year, though, Pittsburgh is disappointing the model of how this should go. My guess... at least on this version of the UK Bowl, expect really bad fantasy numbers and a low-scoring, uninspired affair.

 

[titusbramble]

Didn't realize we had gotten to the part of the season where we sacrifice a game on the alter of global trade.

And we're doing two now? I really don't get this. The UK will never be a market for the NFL. Mexico City was a much better target.

Define market. Of course it will never work as a franchise location, and if Goodell thinks that I'll abandon the Raiders for the London Jaguars then he's hilariously misguided, but there's certainly the demand for at least 2 games a season (move one of them away from Wembley though, Cardiff/Manchester/Edinburgh could very easily host a game, as could many places in mainland Europe, mainly thinking Germany). Some of us have been watching the game since at least the 80's which is long enough to introduce our next generations into the game, blah blah blah

 

[Faust]

Going Deep: London calling, few have answered

 

[SportsGuru311]

The one thing to remember when teams are playing this game is that the field is ####. This stadium sees allot of soccer through the year and those guys tear up the turf. I wouldn't expect a lot of big plays from the skill people.

 

[Faust]

Steelers-Vikings: Seven things to watch for in London

 

[meyerj31]

Goodell has never struck me as particularly bright or having much marketing savvy.

No. Which I guess makes sense on why he's so hell bent on London.

This is such a bulls*** comment. Goodell is extremely sensitive to the popularity of the game, and has made enormous changes to market the game to a broader fan base. Have you noticed the absurd amount of female friendly / specifically targeted ads from NFL.COM lately? Did you know that the ratio of tickets purchased for women has increased from 20% to 40% in the last 15 years? Get real. He knows exactly what he is doing.

 

[Insein]

Goodell has never struck me as particularly bright or having much marketing savvy.

No. Which I guess makes sense on why he's so hell bent on London.

This is such a bulls*** comment. Goodell is extremely sensitive to the popularity of the game, and has made enormous changes to market the game to a broader fan base. Have you noticed the absurd amount of female friendly / specifically targeted ads from NFL.COM lately? Did you know that the ratio of tickets purchased for women has increased from 20% to 40% in the last 15 years? Get real. He knows exactly what he is doing.

I guess you could say he's good at PR. Marketing? I don't know. How much of a dent into the female population has he made from the hundreds of millions spent on women's apparel, breast cancer awareness and cutting back on the violence of the game? How much of the male population has he turned away with the same campaigns?

I get trying to be ambitious but I just don't see the market in Europe. They had a minor league fold there in a little more than a decade. Having an actual franchise with the travel and health concerns for players seems like an enormous risk.

 

[amwarrior15]

Soooo... don't start Antonio Brown?

 

[apalmer]

Goodell has never struck me as particularly bright or having much marketing savvy.

No. Which I guess makes sense on why he's so hell bent on London.

This is such a bulls*** comment. Goodell is extremely sensitive to the popularity of the game, and has made enormous changes to market the game to a broader fan base. Have you noticed the absurd amount of female friendly / specifically targeted ads from NFL.COM lately? Did you know that the ratio of tickets purchased for women has increased from 20% to 40% in the last 15 years? Get real. He knows exactly what he is doing.

I guess you could say he's good at PR. Marketing? I don't know. How much of a dent into the female population has he made from the hundreds of millions spent on women's apparel, breast cancer awareness and cutting back on the violence of the game? How much of the male population has he turned away with the same campaigns?

I get trying to be ambitious but I just don't see the market in Europe. They had a minor league fold there in a little more than a decade. Having an actual franchise with the travel and health concerns for players seems like an enormous risk.

And how many leagues have folded in the US in less than a decade? The fact that the Houston Gamblers flopped doesn't mean their NFL franchise isn't viable.

 

[The_Fonz]

im starting big ben over rivers

 

[Insein]

Goodell has never struck me as particularly bright or having much marketing savvy.

No. Which I guess makes sense on why he's so hell bent on London.

This is such a bulls*** comment. Goodell is extremely sensitive to the popularity of the game, and has made enormous changes to market the game to a broader fan base. Have you noticed the absurd amount of female friendly / specifically targeted ads from NFL.COM lately? Did you know that the ratio of tickets purchased for women has increased from 20% to 40% in the last 15 years? Get real. He knows exactly what he is doing.

I guess you could say he's good at PR. Marketing? I don't know. How much of a dent into the female population has he made from the hundreds of millions spent on women's apparel, breast cancer awareness and cutting back on the violence of the game? How much of the male population has he turned away with the same campaigns?

I get trying to be ambitious but I just don't see the market in Europe. They had a minor league fold there in a little more than a decade. Having an actual franchise with the travel and health concerns for players seems like an enormous risk.

And how many leagues have folded in the US in less than a decade? The fact that the Houston Gamblers flopped doesn't mean their NFL franchise isn't viable.

Rival football leagues have folded in the US because they couldn't compete with the established NFL. The AFL is the only one that came close and in the end, the NFL absorbed them. NFL Europe folded with no American Football competition. They lost to Soccer, Hockey and Basketball over there.

 

[Premier]

The nfl commish isn't good at marketing.

They have ALL the best marketing professionals working for them.

 

[Short Corner]

Goodell has never struck me as particularly bright or having much marketing savvy.

No. Which I guess makes sense on why he's so hell bent on London.

This is such a bulls*** comment. Goodell is extremely sensitive to the popularity of the game, and has made enormous changes to market the game to a broader fan base. Have you noticed the absurd amount of female friendly / specifically targeted ads from NFL.COM lately? Did you know that the ratio of tickets purchased for women has increased from 20% to 40% in the last 15 years? Get real. He knows exactly what he is doing.

I guess you could say he's good at PR. Marketing? I don't know. How much of a dent into the female population has he made from the hundreds of millions spent on women's apparel, breast cancer awareness and cutting back on the violence of the game? How much of the male population has he turned away with the same campaigns?

I get trying to be ambitious but I just don't see the market in Europe. They had a minor league fold there in a little more than a decade. Having an actual franchise with the travel and health concerns for players seems like an enormous risk.

And how many leagues have folded in the US in less than a decade? The fact that the Houston Gamblers flopped doesn't mean their NFL franchise isn't viable.

Rival football leagues have folded in the US because they couldn't compete with the established NFL. The AFL is the only one that came close and in the end, the NFL absorbed them. NFL Europe folded with no American Football competition. They lost to Soccer, Hockey and Basketball over there.

Because it didn't fit with the club structure. American football is building popularity in the clubs.

 

[Judge Smails]

The games have produced a lot more points than I thought. Unless bad weather I'll play as normal. Starting Brown.

 

[StopTradingMeTebow]

With Gronk out, I'm going with Miller as he was still on waiver in some of the leagues I needed him.

Pitt will be throwing a lot more this year for all the reasons discussed.

Feelin' good.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Hannah from Dexter is smoking hot.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

TV contracts in Europe can be valuable too. Goodell's plan might be as simple as playing a game there 1x/year, analyzing the outcome after a few years and figuring out the best, most lucrative path forward.

Every Sunday night, Sky Sports shows the NFL. The NFL sells Game Pass on the Internet. There are Euro nationals and a boatload of ex-pats too who are happy to pay for games, whether a week or a season at a time. I know because I was one of them. I started a fantasy league nearly ten years ago in Europe that thrives today with a mix of Euros and Americans. The Euros are as hardcore as the Americans about it.

It's not just about putting a franchise in London. There are a number of ways for the NFL to make money in Europe, just like there is for EPL to make money here.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Per PFT, NFL set to announce 3 London games next year with Jags (of course), Falcons and Raiders as the home teams.

Very happy that my Bengals are already slated to play the first 2 at home and if the Raiders end up on the schedule that would also be a home game.

-QG