The McNabb Vick Handcuff (1 Viewer)

[footballnerd]

Anyone contemplating this move? You can probably get Vick toward the end of the draft plus then you could spend your most of your draft stocking up on other positions. PHI is prob the only team where you can lock down two solid QBs at one time. Vick will be rusty but could come to form by midseason should McNabb get hurt around then. He could possibly step in and give you better numbers than most back up QBs,

 

[Pickle Rody]

If anyone goes this route, I think they had better secure themselves another QB2. Way too much of a risk here with this strategy.

 

[Darko M]

Worth a late round flier. If he does something special tonight I expect his adp to rise accordingly.

 

[thriftyrocker]

McNabb/Vick Hangcuff

 

[mo542]

I’m not convinced that Vick is the #2 yet. Vick has been out of the league for two years and is relearning the fundamentals of the QB position. I think he could move to the #2 depending on how well he progresses, but I think if McNabb went down tomorrow you would see Kolb (in a hypothetical situation where Vick is not suspended). Maybe by midseason that will change. Either way, I think it is a wait and see situation. He might be worth a late round flyer if you have room on your roster.

 

[footballnerd]

Ya i guess it depends on how productive people think Vick would be by midseason. Donovan avgs 13.4 games per season, so the odds are Vick will see the field for a couple of games. I would not want to roster 3 QBs on my team though.

 

[Demian]

I just came in here to see if you used "hangcuff" more than once.

 

[footballnerd]

I just came in here to see if you used "hangcuff" more than once.

Haha, ya I should of known that would draw some jokes. Couldn't think of another term.

 

[identikit]

I just came in here to see if you used "hangcuff" more than once.

Haha, ya I should of known that would draw some jokes. Couldn't think of another term.

Handcuff?

 

[footballnerd]

I just came in here to see if you used "hangcuff" more than once.

Haha, ya I should of known that would draw some jokes. Couldn't think of another term.

Handcuff?

Oh didn't even realize I spelled it wrong, thanks.

 

[Arizona Ron]

McNabb/Vick Hangcuff

Why do people do this? It's obviously typo.

 

[Zoomanji]

I've chosen to handcuff McNabb with a QB from a different team.

If McNabb goes down I won't be starting any Eagles QBs

 

[Pickle Rody]

Ya i guess it depends on how productive people think Vick would be by midseason. Donovan avgs 13.4 games per season, so the odds are Vick will see the field for a couple of games. I would not want to roster 3 QBs on my team though.

With a possible (already ruled?) 6 game suspension, Vick will see the field often enough even if McNabb doesn't miss any of the last 10 regular season games. Do you really think Reid doesn't get Vick in those games (at least the ones he is not suspended for, including playoffs) that McNabb is the starting QB of? Vick will play various positions this year. My guess would be QB, RB, WR, KR.......in no particular order. I expect him to be on the field with McNabb on quite a few plays this year, when he is eligible.As far as rostering 3 QB's, it all depends on the league and other scoring/roster/starting roster parameters. I'm not advocating avoiding Vick if you own McNabb. Just warning that if you do roster Vick as a McNabb owner, you should CYA.

 

[whodeywhodey]

I've chosen to handcuff McNabb with a QB from a different team.If McNabb goes down I won't be starting any Eagles QBs

Agreed. Garrard is my fave QB2 this year.

 

[Zoomanji]

McNabb/Vick Hangcuff

Why do people do this? It's obviously typo.

Maybe it confused him and he though one of them had a hangnail?

 

[whodeywhodey]

I don't know how else to say this but is Vick even smart enough to warrant drafting this year?

What I mean is how is he going to pick up the Eagles offense in such a short time enough to be startable?

 

[Pickle Rody]

I don't know how else to say this but is Vick even smart enough to warrant drafting this year?What I mean is how is he going to pick up the Eagles offense in such a short time enough to be startable?

He'll have at least 6 weeks to learn the playbook much more thoroughly. He is a former West Coast QB, albeit, that is a stretch considering Atlanta's offensive philosophy at the time. I would also bet heavily that he knows this is it. Last chance. He's got bankruptcy court crawling up his butt at the same time as Roger Goodell. That's gotta be tight, man. The Eagles aren't going to let him slide off the bandwagon. I think Atlanta dropped the ball when it came to making Vick a quality QB (no really good tutoring,) but I also think Vick is not really a QB, but a hybrid type of player. I think the Eagles take advantage of his skills in that regard. Vick now has no choice but to play whatever position Reid asks of him, instead of the previous demands to just be a starting QB, as that is what he was drafted at. Missing the pro game and being in prison for 1-1/2 years will humble a man accustomed to getting what he wants with little effort. I predict Vick "steps up" and does whatever the Eagles ask of him, including putting his head into the books and really learning the system.

 

[thriftyrocker]

McNabb/Vick Hangcuff

Why do people do this? It's obviously typo.

I really thought it was an intended joke and in bad taste. Maybe I thought I was in the Snark Pool instead.

 

[Callas Disregard]

I've chosen to handcuff McNabb with a QB from a different team.If McNabb goes down I won't be starting any Eagles QBs

I'd rather have Shaun Hill -- who I can pick up pretty late -- than Vick.

 

[California]

As mentioned, rostering Vick means carrying 3 QBs. Something I'd never do. I'd prefer to use that spot for a sleeper RB/WR. No one in my 14 team league has more than 2 QB's so we have people like JaMarcus Russell available on waivers. I'd rather have him as my #2 over Vick.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Definitely not. There are other available safer back ups and I can't see any reason to carry a 3rd QB. He wasn't that great a fantasy QB when he hadn't been away from the game for 2+ years, was the starter and was definitely going to play.

 

[CiscoKid]

I’m not convinced that Vick is the #2 yet. Vick has been out of the league for two years and is relearning the fundamentals of the QB position. I think he could move to the #2 depending on how well he progresses, but I think if McNabb went down tomorrow you would see Kolb (in a hypothetical situation where Vick is not suspended). Maybe by midseason that will change. Either way, I think it is a wait and see situation. He might be worth a late round flyer if you have room on your roster.

I'd have to agree with this. If Kolb isn't 100% yet, I could see Feely coming in over Vick as well. I'm guessing Goodell will also rule on the length of the suspension soon, and while I could see him being suspended less than 6 games I'm guessing he'll still get a game or two off. Anyway, I think his handcuff value is pretty low at this point... I have McNabb in a couple of leagues and I won't be rostering Vick unless something changes. I am looking forward to seeing him play tonight, though - I'm very interested in seeing how he looks in the system...

 

[Darth Cheney]

IIRC Big Red said that Vick is only his number two QB because of the rules the NFL has for playing QB's, that Vick is only a QB who comes in for McNabb for a play or two and that Kolb is his guy if McNabb is out for any extended period of time.

 

[GoBirds]

I don't know how else to say this but is Vick even smart enough to warrant drafting this year?What I mean is how is he going to pick up the Eagles offense in such a short time enough to be startable?

He'll have at least 6 weeks to learn the playbook much more thoroughly. He is a former West Coast QB, albeit, that is a stretch considering Atlanta's offensive philosophy at the time. I would also bet heavily that he knows this is it. Last chance. He's got bankruptcy court crawling up his butt at the same time as Roger Goodell. That's gotta be tight, man. The Eagles aren't going to let him slide off the bandwagon. I think Atlanta dropped the ball when it came to making Vick a quality QB (no really good tutoring,) but I also think Vick is not really a QB, but a hybrid type of player. I think the Eagles take advantage of his skills in that regard. Vick now has no choice but to play whatever position Reid asks of him, instead of the previous demands to just be a starting QB, as that is what he was drafted at. Missing the pro game and being in prison for 1-1/2 years will humble a man accustomed to getting what he wants with little effort. I predict Vick "steps up" and does whatever the Eagles ask of him, including putting his head into the books and really learning the system.

He couldn't learn the Falcon's playbook in 6 years.

 

[dickey moe]

Grabbed Vick last week in a 10 team PPR draft with the last pick at 20.10. I drafted McNabb and Garrard late, and figured, what the hell?

 

[Max Power]

I think Vick is going to hurt McNabb's production slightly this year. It may only be a couple plays a game, but thats still something to worry about...

 

[Manster]

why waste a roster spot for Vick?

i drafted McNabbb and was able to get Palmer a few rounds later.

i'd rather use that roster spot for a WR/RB flier w/upside.

 

[Pickle Rody]

I don't know how else to say this but is Vick even smart enough to warrant drafting this year?What I mean is how is he going to pick up the Eagles offense in such a short time enough to be startable?

He'll have at least 6 weeks to learn the playbook much more thoroughly. He is a former West Coast QB, albeit, that is a stretch considering Atlanta's offensive philosophy at the time. I would also bet heavily that he knows this is it. Last chance. He's got bankruptcy court crawling up his butt at the same time as Roger Goodell. That's gotta be tight, man. The Eagles aren't going to let him slide off the bandwagon. I think Atlanta dropped the ball when it came to making Vick a quality QB (no really good tutoring,) but I also think Vick is not really a QB, but a hybrid type of player. I think the Eagles take advantage of his skills in that regard. Vick now has no choice but to play whatever position Reid asks of him, instead of the previous demands to just be a starting QB, as that is what he was drafted at. Missing the pro game and being in prison for 1-1/2 years will humble a man accustomed to getting what he wants with little effort. I predict Vick "steps up" and does whatever the Eagles ask of him, including putting his head into the books and really learning the system.

He couldn't learn the Falcon's playbook in 6 years.

I agree, but you have to consider the coaches and system in place at that time. They didn't really pressure Vick to learn the playbook. They basically threw him out there with the limited knowledge he had acquired and expected him to break containment and use his legs to move the ball down the field if the play broke down. Which is exactly what he did. That didn't pan out well for those who drafted Vick as a starting QB in fantasy football. That is not the way the Eagles are going to approach his learning curve with regards to being a QB for the team. That being said, I don't think he will be utilized more as a QB than more of a multi-talented player capable of playing a number of positions. I think Vick knows this and will be willing to do anything to get on the field and contribute. I am not going to say Vick isn't smart, as I do not know the man. I'm just placing more faith in the Eagles coaches and staff to be able to get the most out of Vick, regardless of whatever position he plays the majority at, be it QB or other.

 

[footballnerd]

Adam Scheftner tweets: Eagles OC Marty Mornhinweg confirmed Vick will play Sunday.

Not sure if that means he suits up, or gets some plays.

Are most people still not interested in rostering the guy? I have Jason Campbell as my backup for McNabb so I guess it couldn't get any worse for me. McNabb is likely to come back after the bye, and gets some games in, giving Vick more time to learn the system and be ready to back him up if another injury comes around.

 

[footballnerd]

Chris Mortenson reports on Twitter that Vick is the #2 QB tonight. Moving on up?

 

[Pickle Rody]

Chris Mortenson reports on Twitter that Vick is the #2 QB tonight. Moving on up?

Maybe. Kolb is inactive for tonight's game and will not suit up.

 

[certificate]

Chris Mortenson reports on Twitter that Vick is the #2 QB tonight. Moving on up?

Maybe. Kolb is inactive for tonight's game and will not suit up.

Pretty sure that Kolb is the #2 Quarterback if McNabb goes down for any period of time. Vick is the #2 QB on gameday for wildcat purposes.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Vick's probably been the #2 QB every game he's been suited up, hasn't he? He has to be or they can't switch him in and out for the wildcat s@#$% they run.

IIRC correct the "46th man" rule goes something like.....If your third QB enters the game before the 4th quarter, the other two QBs become ineligible to return to the game under any circumstances.

Or something to that effect. Your third QB is always, technically, "inactive." So, unless the Eagles haven't been using the "46th man" spot for the third QB and have been rolling a man short elsewhere, to keep the roster at 45, up to this point Vick would've had to have been the #2. Or is that, indeed, what they've been doing to this point? All 3 guys active every week?

No idea what Kolb's "not dressing" means in this case. That mean they aren't even using his as the "emergency" guy?

 

[CiscoKid]

Chris Mortenson reports on Twitter that Vick is the #2 QB tonight. Moving on up?

Maybe. Kolb is inactive for tonight's game and will not suit up.

Pretty sure that Kolb is the #2 Quarterback if McNabb goes down for any period of time. Vick is the #2 QB on gameday for wildcat purposes.

I agree with this - I think Kolb is still the #2 if anything happens to DMac. The problem is that if the Eagles want to play him in the wildcat, he can't be the #3QB because in order for the #3 to play the #1 and #2 QB's have to both be out for the rest of the game, so they almost have to list Vick as #2.

 

[certificate]

Yep. I'm a little surprised that Kolb isn't active though. It might be a vote of confidence that Vick is capable of being the guy for the remainder of the game that McNabb goes down in. I'm still pretty sure that he would be #2 behind Kolb the next week though.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Kolb had 391 pass yards in his first career start - an NFL record

Kolb had 718 pass yards in his first two career starts - also an NFL record

This is all combined with a 64.7 completion percentage in those two starts, and a 1-1 record. If the staff didn't see what they want from him over the course of those two games, hard to figure out what they are looking for.

As mentioned, Vick is the #2 so they can use him in packages. If McNabb is injured in-game, they will go with Kolb at QB. By rule, Vick will be ineligible to return.

It's a risk. FYI, Westbrook was one hit away from playing QB already once this year due to this line-up shuffling. He is the emergency QB tonight (and every week they use the "wildcat")

 

[renesauz]

Vick's probably been the #2 QB every game he's been suited up, hasn't he? He has to be or they can't switch him in and out for the wildcat s@#$% they run.IIRC correct the "46th man" rule goes something like.....If your third QB enters the game before the 4th quarter, the other two QBs become ineligible to return to the game under any circumstances.Or something to that effect. Your third QB is always, technically, "inactive." So, unless the Eagles haven't been using the "46th man" spot for the third QB and have been rolling a man short elsewhere, to keep the roster at 45, up to this point Vick would've had to have been the #2. Or is that, indeed, what they've been doing to this point? All 3 guys active every week? No idea what Kolb's "not dressing" means in this case. That mean they aren't even using his as the "emergency" guy?

They've had all three active in several games, especially earlier. Kolb is still the #2 man, and would start in McNabb's place, but they're comfortable enough now with Vick that they can list Kolb as the emergency (#3 QB, NOT on gameday roster) when McNabb is healthy. If McNabb were to go down long term, Kolb would be starting, not Vick.