The McNair Situation (1 Viewer)

[Silver & Black]

I know there are a bunch of threads about the whole McNair debacle, and to be honest, I don't intend to talk about all the details that have been analyzed to death. But here is an article from this evening with quotes from the agent and ownership.

Dude, I'm sorry, this whole situation, and the way it was handled and what it has come down to, just makes me sick. McNair was always a warrior and really laid it all on the line for the Titans. I don't know what he is worth at this stage, but good Lord man, how did it come to this. Too long and too public.

Here's the blurb.

Titans | Cook says Titans need to decide on McNair

Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:12:12 -0700

Teresa M. Walker, of the Associated Press, reports agent Bus Cook said Tuesday, June 6, it's time the Tennessee Titans do something with QB Steve McNair. "Keep him under the contract he has, trade him, cut him or start trying to get a new deal done with the starting point being what's on the table from the Ravens," agent Cook said. "They don't want to do any of those things. You can't have your cake and eat it, too." Titans' general manager Floyd Reese declined to respond to Cook's comments and has said the goal is to keep McNair in Tennessee. Head coach Jeff Fisher said Tuesday morning that he expected McNair could take the physical by Thursday, June 8, if he's in town, and hoped that Reese and Cook could work something out while that happens. Titans' owner Bud Adams recalled how McNair took them to a Super Bowl, but he also said McNair is getting older. "I think they need to get his salary down. That's what we asked him to do, if he'd cut his salary down," Adams said. Cook said he has not talked with Reese and wasn't sure a meeting would help resolve the situation.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

the owner sounds clueless... they need to get salary down... who is they... macnair & his agent... why?

when they already have offer from BAL that pays as much in one year as TEN did in three...

if BAL & TEN can agree on price, BAL would no doubt like to get him as soon as possible to start learning offense & prepare to be starter... that happens within next week... otherwise, no incentive to do deal now, as TEN has to cut him before BAL would convene for training camp in late july (they are so close to being maxed out on cap they couldn't even sign their rookies unless mcnair renegotiates contract, which he won't, otherwise they are forced to cut him)...

TEN needs to just get what they can for him now... seems dumb to get nothing for him, & they are rapidly losing whatever little leverage they have in the situation...

i generally respect the TEN franchise, but they have seriously botched & bungled this whole process & have tarnished their image a bit in my mind...

 

[ltaylor]

There are two sides to every story. Mcnair has done a great job of looking like the nice guy, but let´s look at the reality.

1. He almost leaves us out to dry threatening to retire. Now all of a sudden he´s even older but wants top 5 money and can start for 3 more years. Seems a bit fishy to me.

2. He didnt attempt to establish chemistry with all the young WRs last year. Never worked extra with them. Never attended OTA´s, Never practiced during the week, etc. This is the biggest issue with mgmnt. Do you really want a lazy old QB around to rub off on all the young players?

3. Says he won´t be a mentor to his predecessor

4. Got a DUI with a gun is his car.

the list goes on........

If I am floyd Reese, I take the 4th and be done with it.

Thank you for the memories, Steve.

 

[diesel7982]

There are two sides to every story. Mcnair has done a great job of looking like the nice guy, but let´s look at the reality.

1. He almost leaves us out to dry threatening to retire. Now all of a sudden he´s even older but wants top 5 money and can start for 3 more years. Seems a bit fishy to me.

2. He didnt attempt to establish chemistry with all the young WRs last year. Never worked extra with them. Never attended OTA´s, Never practiced during the week, etc. This is the biggest issue with mgmnt. Do you really want a lazy old QB around to rub off on all the young players?

3. Says he won´t be a mentor to his predecessor

4. Got a DUI with a gun is his car.

the list goes on........

If I am floyd Reese, I take the 4th and be done with it.

Thank you for the memories, Steve.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out Steve...

 

[snarfsnarf]

There are two sides to every story. Mcnair has done a great job of looking like the nice guy, but let´s look at the reality.

1. He almost leaves us out to dry threatening to retire. Now all of a sudden he´s even older but wants top 5 money and can start for 3 more years. Seems a bit fishy to me.

The guy considered retirement because he got pounded...not sure why the hate over that. Oh, and all it seems his agent is asking for is at least what Baltimore is offering....OMG!! How outlandish!!

2. He didnt attempt to establish chemistry with all the young WRs last year. Never worked extra with them. Never attended OTA´s, Never practiced during the week, etc. This is the biggest issue with mgmnt. Do you really want a lazy old QB around to rub off on all the young players?

If you listen to Bud Adams, apparently they do still want McNair, despite all these issues....but just want to pay less. Now that seems fishy.

3. Says he won´t be a mentor to his predecessor.

Chandler is staging a comeback?

4. Got a DUI with a gun is his car.

This is the NFL guy, what are you expecting.

the list goes on........

If I am floyd Reese, I take the 4th and be done with it.

We can agree on this....but why haven't they.....fishy.

Thank you for the memories, Steve.

 

[gzilla]

the owner sounds clueless... they need to get salary down... who is they... macnair & his agent... why?

Because if they don't, Tennessee is going to cut him on September 1st. Who loses then?It is in the team's best interest to get McNair under a reasonable salary or leverage the situation in order to get maximum value via a trade. The Titans have no incentive to take a deal that they don't think is the best that they will ultimately get.

 

[Ozymandias]

It's a three cornered game of chicken.

Baltimore want to get him as soon as possible so that they can integrate him into their training. But they don't want to give up too much (draft choices) in order to get him. If they wait until Sep 1, they can get him for free.

McNair wants to go to Baltimore so he doesn't want to renegotiate, which might cause him to lose out on the Ravens.

The Titans want to get the most from him in trading to Baltimore, but realize that they will get nothing for him if they wait too long.

Who will blink first?

 

[diesel7982]

the owner sounds clueless... they need to get salary down... who is they... macnair & his agent... why?

Because if they don't, Tennessee is going to cut him on September 1st. Who loses then?It is in the team's best interest to get McNair under a reasonable salary or leverage the situation in order to get maximum value via a trade. The Titans have no incentive to take a deal that they don't think is the best that they will ultimately get.

Titans will have to release McNair before they can sign Young. You can bet that will happen before training camp opens.

 

[diesel7982]

There are two sides to every story.  Mcnair has done a great job of looking like the nice guy, but let´s look at the reality.

1. He almost leaves us out to dry threatening to retire. Now all of a sudden he´s even older but wants top 5 money and can start for 3 more years. Seems a bit fishy to me.

The guy considered retirement because he got pounded...not sure why the hate over that.  Oh, and all it seems his agent is asking for is at least what Baltimore is offering....OMG!! How outlandish!!

The bolded above is part of one of the stupidest things Ive ever heard an agent say.

"Keep him under the contract he has, trade him, cut him or start trying to get a new deal done with the starting point being what's on the table from the Ravens," agent Bus Cook said, according to the Associated Press. "They don't want to do any of those things. . . . You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

The Titans have no reason that they have to bid against the Ravens.Would Peyton Manning be right to not renegotiate his contract if the Redskins were willing to pay him $200 mil?

 

[gman8343]

Would Peyton Manning be right to not renegotiate his contract if the Redskins were willing to pay him $200 mil?

I would think he would have every right to refuse to renegotiate. Players have every right to not regotiate for any reason they want -- and the team can cut them if they so choose.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

mcnair is technically under the contract, but the terms are untenable... this was known since it was drawn up... he is on the books for something like $20 mill (?), which clearly was going to require a restructure...

the problem is, they have already asked him to restructure several times... the bottom line with any new contract is the titans are (so far, based on what has been reported) unwilling or unable to pay him as much as the ravens...

another problems is, they can't sign their rookies (they want to start preparing VY to at least get on the field if not start much this season, & lendale white could start early) until they either restructure mcnair's contract or cut him... i'm pretty sure this was noted above... you can bet TEN doesn't want to wait until sept 1 to bring VY & white in... there is no way that is going to happen... this is the part where TEN is rapidly losing leverage...

mcnair isn't going to restructure for far less guaranteed money up front than BAL can deliver... BAL has already offered something like fourth that could convert to third with triggers i think, & supposedly TEN wants a round higher...

BAL has offered a pick... they also have time pressure... they have ambitions to win afc north & go to playoffs, & want to move on from boller to mcnair asap, so he can learn the new system/scheme & be readied for starter duty before regular season...

the last minicamps are in next week or so... it means enough for BAL to have him asap to have offered the deal that was on the table... but they aren't going to be the ones to blink in this game of chicken or overpay here... if they don't get him for next mini-camp/s, than he can't practice again until training camp in late july... at which time or before, TEN will want to already have VY & white in camp... they are forced to cut mcnair & get nothing for him...

take the 4th (upgradeable to 3rd) over nothing... they aren't even in the same division, so it isn't a matter of not giving edge to divisional foe?

i'm not sure, but maybe mcnair isn't the greatest team player... this isn't first time i have heard that, though i can't say that it is commonly cited... anyway, imo he is a warrior who almost won a super bowl, had some great seasons (co-MVP just few seasons ago), played hurt, sacrificed his body (lots of players do that, & maybe he shouldn't pat himself on the back so hard that he hurts his hand, but playing with a sternum injury he had to be hospitalized with possibly exceeded what other players with a lower pain threshold may have been able to withstand)...

it seems mcnair deserves better based on what he has done for team & city, & make organization come off as not very classy... i like fisher a lot but don't think he has a lot of say in this... i respect reese as a football person & don't know much about adams... if this is reese's decision, i don't agree with it...

unless he is trying to squeeze BAL for a third (second) by bluffing to last possible second...

but if he misses the window of next week or so & they get nothing for him, it would seem he badly misplayed this...

and if BAL stands firm on not bumping offer (i wouldn't want to play chicken with ozzie newsome), was it worth the aggravation, incurring bad will from former star player as well as PR fallout?

BAL did bring the problem on by repeatedly asking mcnair to restructure contract... by having a $20 mill single season salary hanging out there & waiting to last second to deal with it, they left themselves open to this exact situation...

& it doesn't have to be personal... mcnair has a $12 mill offer for 2006 on table... either match it, or if they don't think he is worth that (or don't want to cut other players it would take to do it, or whatever), cut him & let him move on... maybe they don't think he is worth it as they want to pave the way for VY... in which case again it needn't be personal, but just cut him & move on.

 

[BoltBacker]

"Keep him under the contract he has, trade him, cut him or start trying to get a new deal done with the starting point being what's on the table from the Ravens," agent Bus Cook said, according to the Associated Press. "They don't want to do any of those things. . . . You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

The Titans have no reason that they have to bid against the Ravens.

McNair has no reason that he has to take a paycut.

 

[diesel7982]

"Keep him under the contract he has, trade him, cut him or start trying to get a new deal done with the starting point being what's on the table from the Ravens," agent Bus Cook said, according to the Associated Press.  "They don't want to do any of those things. . . .  You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

The Titans have no reason that they have to bid against the Ravens.

McNair has no reason that he has to take a paycut.

Doesnt address my statement at all.

 

[BoltBacker]

"Keep him under the contract he has, trade him, cut him or start trying to get a new deal done with the starting point being what's on the table from the Ravens," agent Bus Cook said, according to the Associated Press. "They don't want to do any of those things. . . . You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

The Titans have no reason that they have to bid against the Ravens.

McNair has no reason that he has to take a paycut.

Doesnt address my statement at all.

Well, I could have pointed out the obvious; The Titans have no reason they have to bid against the Ravens because Steve McNair is under contract.Once they are unwilling to honor the contract they agreed to, yeah, they have to bid against everyone else for his services. Why would you think otherwise??????

 

[Warpig]

the owner sounds clueless...

Did you hear that the owner wants VY to start the game when the Titans play Houston! Sounds like this owner is a rich guy playing with his toys and starting to overrule the coaches. I am a Vince Young owner and have no problem with VY sitting out this year to learn. But sticking him in a game when he's not ready just to brag to your other rich buddies is assinine!

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

There are two sides to every story.  Mcnair has done a great job of looking like the nice guy, but let´s look at the reality.

1. He almost leaves us out to dry threatening to retire. Now all of a sudden he´s even older but wants top 5 money and can start for 3 more years. Seems a bit fishy to me.

2.  He didnt attempt to establish chemistry with all the young WRs last year.  Never worked extra with them. Never attended OTA´s, Never practiced during the week, etc. This is the biggest issue with mgmnt.  Do you really want a lazy old QB around to rub off on all the young players?

3. Says he won´t be a mentor to his predecessor

4. Got a DUI with a gun is his car. 

the list goes on........

If I am floyd Reese, I take the 4th and be done with it.

Thank you for the memories, Steve.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out Steve...

Don't go away mad, just go away.

McNair/Cook have been equally as responsible for this situation. The Titans have already paid McNair over $50 million in his career. I have no tears for his financial situation at this point.

The Titans are a young, retooling team. The LAST thing we need now is a lazy, uncooperative, non-practicing, old QB. Good for us and "good" for the Ravens.

That having been said, take the 4th/5th TODAY, make it conditionally upgradeable, and be DONE with it.

 

[Big Score]

"Keep him under the contract he has, trade him, cut him or start trying to get a new deal done with the starting point being what's on the table from the Ravens," agent Bus Cook said, according to the Associated Press.  "They don't want to do any of those things. . . .  You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

The Titans have no reason that they have to bid against the Ravens.

Exactly diesel. There is absolutely no reason for the Titans to bid against the Ravens.

Titans exercised the $1 million dollar option earlier this year to keep McNair under his existing contract for this year.

I think it's $9 million this year, isn't it?

So either pay the man, trade the man, or cut the man.

It ain't rocket science.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Wow. I can't beleive how quickly Titan fans have soured on Steve McNair.

 

[Big Score]

There are two sides to every story. Mcnair has done a great job of looking like the nice guy, but let´s look at the reality.

1. He almost leaves us out to dry threatening to retire. Now all of a sudden he´s even older but wants top 5 money and can start for 3 more years. Seems a bit fishy to me.

FALSE:

Titans exercised a $1 million dollar option earlier this year to keep McNair for 1 more year under his existing contract. McNair is fine with that. It's the Titans who do not want to honor the contract they drew up and had him sign.

2. He didn't attempt to establish chemistry with all the young WRs last year. Never worked extra with them. Never attended OTA´s, Never practiced during the week, etc. This is the biggest issue with mgmnt. Do you really want a lazy old QB around to rub off on all the young players?

FALSE:

Not attending OTA's is done by approx half of all NFL veterans...if not more.

McNair never worked extra with the young WR's? Are you sure about that?

Not practicing during the week was the Coaches decision, not McNair's. This happened after his injury where he was hurt bad enough to be hospitalized. Fisher wanted to make sure his QB could play on Sunday, so on the Coaches decision, McNair did not practice during the week. When healthy, McNair practiced during the week.

3. Says he won´t be a mentor to his predecessor

I'm sure you meant successor, but I'd like to see a on this. Wanting the context of it.

4. Got a DUI with a gun is his car.

FALSE

Never got a DUI. The case was dismissed.

It is legal to have a gun in your car, as it is considered an extension of your home. I carry a Colt .45 model 1911 in my car, locked & loaded, safety on. I pity the Car Jacker who waves a gun in my face. I guarantee you, there will be one less parasite to society, if that ever happens.

the list goes on........

If I am floyd Reese, I take the 4th and be done with it.

I don't think there is a 4th being offered anymore. Ozzie is content to kick back & get McNair for free now. Floyd Reese blew it!

Thank you for the memories, Steve.

I'm sure he says you're welcome.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Wow. I can't beleive how quickly Titan fans have soured on Steve McNair.

1. You haven't been listening to me the last 3 years, then.2. Steve did it to himself.

 

[Keepers]

Titans exercised the $1 million dollar option earlier this year to keep McNair under his existing contract for this year.

I think it's $9 million this year, isn't it?

So either pay the man, trade the man, or cut the man.

It ain't rocket science.

Cook has already said that McNair will play under his present contract but the Titans never had any intent on paying him $9 million with their present cap situation ... btw, this seems like a reasonable amount for a starting QB with McNair's pedigree (the Ravens obviously think he is worth more). Does anyone have an idea what the Titans are offering in a restructured deal?

Seems like most of the $20+ million is on the books no matter what, so the Titans would have to be trying to pay McNair a signing bonus they can spread over a few years with a minimum base salary to be able to free up enough to sign their rookies ... if McNair wants to be a starter for 2 or 3 more years this doesn't seem very attractive with VY waiting in the wings, also if he decides to then retire, the Titans could try to get some of that signing bonus back ... McNair would have to be an idiot to sign with Titans under those conditions, especially when there is team out there who is ready to commit to him and not a rookie.

 

[msommer]

I believe that Pasatbelly's inside tip sheet notes (pay, so no link) stated last week that the Ravens are offerening 4th conditional 3rd, and the Titans want a 3rd conditional 2nd

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

I believe that Pasatbelly's inside tip sheet notes (pay, so no link) stated last week that the Ravens are offerening 4th conditional 3rd, and the Titans want a 3rd conditional 2nd

Well, Reese is an idiot if he doesn't take that. Today.

 

[gman8343]

Titans are being greedy here if this is true.

I believe that Pasatbelly's inside tip sheet notes (pay, so no link) stated last week that the Ravens are offerening 4th conditional 3rd, and the Titans want a 3rd conditional 2nd

 

[Keepers]

Wow.  I can't beleive how quickly Titan fans have soured on Steve McNair.

1. You haven't been listening to me the last 3 years, then.2. Steve did it to himself.

The Titans did it to themselves. If they weren't in cap hell they would be paying $9 million to McNair this year, and not asking him to restructure a contract that makes no sense for the player to do.

 

[Warpig]

There are two sides to every story.  Mcnair has done a great job of looking like the nice guy, but let´s look at the reality.

1. He almost leaves us out to dry threatening to retire. Now all of a sudden he´s even older but wants top 5 money and can start for 3 more years. Seems a bit fishy to me.

FALSE:

Titans exercised a $1 million dollar option earlier this year to keep McNair for 1 more year under his existing contract. McNair is fine with that. It's the Titans who do not want to honor the contract they drew up and had him sign.

2.  He didn't attempt to establish chemistry with all the young WRs last year.  Never worked extra with them. Never attended OTA´s, Never practiced during the week, etc. This is the biggest issue with mgmnt.  Do you really want a lazy old QB around to rub off on all the young players?

FALSE:

Not attending OTA's is done by approx half of all NFL veterans...if not more.

McNair never worked extra with the young WR's? Are you sure about that?

Not practicing during the week was the Coaches decision, not McNair's. This happened after his injury where he was hurt bad enough to be hospitalized. Fisher wanted to make sure his QB could play on Sunday, so on the Coaches decision, McNair did not practice during the week. When healthy, McNair practiced during the week.

3. Says he won´t be a mentor to his predecessor

I'm sure you meant successor, but I'd like to see a on this. Wanting the context of it.

4. Got a DUI with a gun is his car.

FALSE

Never got a DUI. The case was dismissed.

It is legal to have a gun in your car, as it is considered an extension of your home. I carry a Colt .45 model 1911 in my car, locked & loaded, safety on. I pity the Car Jacker who waves a gun in my face. I guarantee you, there will be one less parasite to society, if that ever happens.

the list goes on........

If I am floyd Reese, I take the 4th and be done with it.

I don't think there is a 4th being offered anymore. Ozzie is content to kick back & get McNair for free now. Floyd Reese blew it!

Thank you for the memories, Steve.

I'm sure he says you're welcome.

I'm not even a Titans fan (Jags fan) and I think Steve McNair is one of the best class acts in the league. It's a shame he won't be there to tutor VY.

 

[Big Score]

Wow.  I can't beleive how quickly Titan fans have soured on Steve McNair.

1. You haven't been listening to me the last 3 years, then.2. Steve did it to himself.

I know lots of Titans fans, being here in the South.Very, very, very few are happy with the McNair situation and how he is being treated.

None that I know of, think that McNair brought this on himself. Not one!

I mean that's just stupid.

Titans are the ones who insisted on renegotiating McNair's contract again and again and again.

Titans renegotiated themselves right into a corner.

And it's not like this is the first time the Titans have mismangaed their cap situation by constant contract renegotiations.

Made this same mistake with Eddie George. You would think their cap experts would've learned from that go round.

 

[Big Score]

Reese is an idiot.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Wow.  I can't beleive how quickly Titan fans have soured on Steve McNair.

1. You haven't been listening to me the last 3 years, then.2. Steve did it to himself.

I know lots of Titans fans, being here in the South.Very, very, very few are happy with the McNair situation and how he is being treated.

None that I know of, think that McNair brought this on himself. Not one!

I mean that's just stupid.

Titans are the ones who insisted on renegotiating McNair's contract again and again and again.

Titans renegotiated themselves right into a corner.

And it's not like this is the first time the Titans have mismangaed their cap situation by constant contract renegotiations.

Made this same mistake with Eddie George. You would think their cap experts would've learned from that go round.

Dude, no offense, but I'm here in Nashville and have been since 1993. Season ticket holder.There is and has been much discontent. I'd say that, while most I know *wish* it had all worked out, most are kind of glad to go ahead and be rid of him so we can move on.

 

[Warpig]

Looks like a done deal. Here's the comment that is on the Titan's website (titansonline.com)

Titans statement regarding Steve McNair

STATEMENT FROM THE TENNESSEE TITANS

“We have granted permission to Baltimore to give Steve McNair a physical, which we expect to take place in the next 24 hours. Upon passing a physical, final trade terms will be agreed upon.”

Here's a link to the story on the Ravens site:

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article.jsp?id=10276

 

[kylechoffman]

Looks like a done deal. Here's the comment that is on the Titan's website (titansonline.com)

Titans statement regarding Steve McNair

STATEMENT FROM THE TENNESSEE TITANS

“We have granted permission to Baltimore to give Steve McNair a physical, which we expect to take place in the next 24 hours. Upon passing a physical, final trade terms will be agreed upon.”

Here's a link to the story on the Ravens site:

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article.jsp?id=10276

If hes gone, what does this do to D Bennett, Givens and Troupe's numbers?

 

[Warpig]

Looks like a done deal.  Here's the comment that is on the Titan's website (titansonline.com)

Titans statement regarding Steve McNair

STATEMENT FROM THE TENNESSEE TITANS

“We have granted permission to Baltimore to give Steve McNair a physical, which we expect to take place in the next 24 hours. Upon passing a physical, final trade terms will be agreed upon.”

Here's a link to the story on the Ravens site:

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article.jsp?id=10276

If hes gone, what does this do to D Bennett, Givens and Troupe's numbers?

I wouldn't be too concerned. Volek has shined in his opportunities. I'd be more concerned about their numbers when Young takes over.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Looks like a done deal.  Here's the comment that is on the Titan's website (titansonline.com)

Titans statement regarding Steve McNair

STATEMENT FROM THE TENNESSEE TITANS

“We have granted permission to Baltimore to give Steve McNair a physical, which we expect to take place in the next 24 hours. Upon passing a physical, final trade terms will be agreed upon.”

Here's a link to the story on the Ravens site:

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article.jsp?id=10276

If hes gone, what does this do to D Bennett, Givens and Troupe's numbers?

Well, it's not going to hurt them, especially Bennett.Gotta like it for Brown, and later, LenDale White.

 

[diesel7982]

Wow.  I can't beleive how quickly Titan fans have soured on Steve McNair.

1. You haven't been listening to me the last 3 years, then.2. Steve did it to himself.

Its interesting to see what us Titans fans are posting, compared to those who aren't as familiar with the situation.

Maybe some of those outsiders should take note.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

have any of you Ten. homers heard anything about k. collins coming to town?

 

[mightyeskimo]

I think this boosts Todd Heap's value. McNair is used to having a good tight end ala Frank Wycheck. He should have no trouble finding Heap on the field.

 

[bigreese82]

With Bud making his wishes known for Young to get on the field before he croaks or retires, I don't see the urgency for Collins to be brought in to be a number 2. If Volek went down early in the year, I would imagine our #3qb(Matt Mauck) coming in. He actually started a game last year over Volek

 

[Bob_Magaw]

Wow.  I can't beleive how quickly Titan fans have soured on Steve McNair.

1. You haven't been listening to me the last 3 years, then.2. Steve did it to himself.

Its interesting to see what us Titans fans are posting, compared to those who aren't as familiar with the situation.

Maybe some of those outsiders should take note.

TEN had no share of responsibility in repeatedly restructuring his deal, then refusing to honor it or pay him market value (BAL contract)... the fourth rounder was already on the table... if reese was trying to get newsome to cough up more, it didn't work...

 

[diesel7982]

Wow.  I can't beleive how quickly Titan fans have soured on Steve McNair.

1. You haven't been listening to me the last 3 years, then.2. Steve did it to himself.

Its interesting to see what us Titans fans are posting, compared to those who aren't as familiar with the situation.

Maybe some of those outsiders should take note.

TEN had no share of responsibility in repeatedly restructuring his deal, then refusing to honor it or pay him market value (BAL contract)... the fourth rounder was already on the table... if reese was trying to get newsome to cough up more, it didn't work...

The Titans got a 4, that can become a 3.

At draft time, all the Ravens offered was a #5.

I dont know what your definition of "didn't work" is, but....

 

[diesel7982]

With Bud making his wishes known for Young to get on the field before he croaks or retires, I don't see the urgency for Collins to be brought in to be a number 2. If Volek went down early in the year, I would imagine our #3qb(Matt Mauck) coming in. He actually started a game last year over Volek

Titans just wanted to see if he was capable of being a backup. He looked lost out there. I would put it at a .2% chance Mauck starts a game before Young.

 

[Big Score]

Wow.  I can't beleive how quickly Titan fans have soured on Steve McNair.

1. You haven't been listening to me the last 3 years, then.2. Steve did it to himself.

Its interesting to see what us Titans fans are posting, compared to those who aren't as familiar with the situation.

Maybe some of those outsiders should take note.

Went on a few Titan fan message boards and have lots of friends who are Titans fans. I hear very few of them echoing either you, or Weapon of Mass Instruction.

Seems like you two are much more sour on McNair than the average Titan fan to me

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Wow.  I can't beleive how quickly Titan fans have soured on Steve McNair.

1. You haven't been listening to me the last 3 years, then.2. Steve did it to himself.

Its interesting to see what us Titans fans are posting, compared to those who aren't as familiar with the situation.

Maybe some of those outsiders should take note.

Went on a few Titan fan message boards and have lots of friends who are Titans fans. I hear very few of them echoing either you, or Weapon of Mass Instruction.

Seems like you two are much more sour on McNair than the average Titan fan to me

Let me guess, what you actually mean is that you went to the messageboard at titansonline.com.Honestly, Big Score, that site is the epitome of sycophantic football ignorance.

That is not who you are talking to here.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

Wow.  I can't beleive how quickly Titan fans have soured on Steve McNair.

1. You haven't been listening to me the last 3 years, then.2. Steve did it to himself.

Its interesting to see what us Titans fans are posting, compared to those who aren't as familiar with the situation.

Maybe some of those outsiders should take note.

TEN had no share of responsibility in repeatedly restructuring his deal, then refusing to honor it or pay him market value (BAL contract)... the fourth rounder was already on the table... if reese was trying to get newsome to cough up more, it didn't work...

The Titans got a 4, that can become a 3.

At draft time, all the Ravens offered was a #5.

I dont know what your definition of "didn't work" is, but....

it has been reported for a while that the offer titans accepted was already on table... TEN supposedly was trying to extract a third upgradeable to a second... that is what i meant by... "didn't work"...

 

[gman8343]

Wow.  I can't beleive how quickly Titan fans have soured on Steve McNair.

1. You haven't been listening to me the last 3 years, then.2. Steve did it to himself.

Its interesting to see what us Titans fans are posting, compared to those who aren't as familiar with the situation.

Maybe some of those outsiders should take note.

Went on a few Titan fan message boards and have lots of friends who are Titans fans. I hear very few of them echoing either you, or Weapon of Mass Instruction.

Seems like you two are much more sour on McNair than the average Titan fan to me

Let me guess, what you actually mean is that you went to the messageboard at titansonline.com.Honestly, Big Score, that site is the epitome of sycophantic football ignorance.

That is not who you are talking to here.

Does that mean his friends who are Titans fans are ignorant too?

 

[GregR_2]

Let me guess, what you actually mean is that you went to the messageboard at titansonline.com.

Honestly, Big Score, that site is the epitome of sycophantic football ignorance.

That is not who you are talking to here.

I don't know if I agree with some of your other views on the topic. But I for one will support your assertion that boards full of Titans fans are the epitome of sycophantic football ignorance.