The Mitchell Investigation (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

Apparently the Mitchell Investigation will be releasing its report in the next few weeks and will be naming names, including big stars and players that have not even been rumored to have any link to steroids up until now.

The question I have is, what on earth will they people to do with this information and will they try to discipline players well after the fact, even if they did not fail any drug tests.

Anyone with any info on this?

 

[avoiding injuries]

Getcha Popcorn Ready.

 

[posty]

Whomever gets named, the players involved should get the same treatment that Barry Bonds has been getting...

 

[ooofffaaa]

I've heard it will be around 70 MLB players.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Whomever gets named, the players involved should get the same treatment that Barry Bonds has been getting...

Really? He is a special case with the record and all that comes along with him. I think a better comparison would be Giambi, Raffy or Sosa.

 

[posty]

Whomever gets named, the players involved should get the same treatment that Barry Bonds has been getting...

Really? He is a special case with the record and all that comes along with him. I think a better comparison would be Giambi, Raffy or Sosa.

So just because he got a record, he should take more crap from everyone and be public enemy #1?

 

[avoiding injuries]

Whomever gets named, the players involved should get the same treatment that Barry Bonds has been getting...

Really? He is a special case with the record and all that comes along with him. I think a better comparison would be Giambi, Raffy or Sosa.

So just because he got a record, he should take more crap from everyone and be public enemy #1?

More of a story = more coverage = more money/resources = snowball effect etc.And my honest answer to your question about taking more crap is yes. I think the public enemy part has to do with personality and image, not completely the steroids.

 

[redman]

Whomever gets named, the players involved should get the same treatment that Barry Bonds has been getting...

A larger head and extensive TV coverage of their games?

 

[Die]

Apparently the Mitchell Investigation will be releasing its report in the next few weeks and will be naming names, including big stars and players that have not even been rumored to have any link to steroids up until now.The question I have is, what on earth will they people to do with this information and will they try to discipline players well after the fact, even if they did not fail any drug tests.Anyone with any info on this?

It does seem odd that there seems to be no formal plan set in place as to what to do with the names once they come out. Fehr just says he doesn't know what is going on. Selig also feigns ignorance and says he's not worried. Eh?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Whomever gets named, the players involved should get the same treatment that Barry Bonds has been getting...

A larger head and extensive TV coverage of their games?

Every other day off, leg massages, not having teammates bother him to have a drink after games, and worthless testes that only produce air, like the pop guns you used to get when you were a kid

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I wonder if baseball has the balls to release all the names and not "protect" anyone that might be retiring this year.

Do I believe Bonds was on the juice? Oh hell yeah.

Do I believe that there were other players that used and never had to answer for it? Oh hell yeah.

Does anyone remember Peter Gammons saying that there were two names on a user list that would have crippled baseball if they were released? Some on here might remember talking about it on these boards.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Does anyone remember Peter Gammons saying that there were two names on a user list that would have crippled baseball if they were released? Some on here might remember talking about it on these boards.

I think either AROD or Clemens and maybe both will be on Mitchell's list.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Does anyone remember Peter Gammons saying that there were two names on a user list that would have crippled baseball if they were released? Some on here might remember talking about it on these boards.

I think either AROD or Clemens and maybe both will be on Mitchell's list.

Clemens was a definite yes.My other vote went to Pujols

 

[MrPhoenix]

Candidates off the top of my head:

Albert Pujols (performance)

Jim Edmonds (injury trouble)

Scott Rolen (injury trouble)

Brian Roberts (performance)

Carlos Pena (maybe)

Miguel Tejada (streaky performance)

JD Drew (based on his dropoff after leaving the West Coast)

Milton Bradley (temper)

Eric Gagne (performance)

Mike Lowell (performance)

At this point, anyone with spikes in their performance, particularly those with increases in power categories, should be considered a suspect. Those with sudden injury troubles (like Rolen) should also be suspects. Remember that Ken Caminiti had trouble staying healthy after he got off the 'roids.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Does anyone remember Peter Gammons saying that there were two names on a user list that would have crippled baseball if they were released? Some on here might remember talking about it on these boards.

I think either AROD or Clemens and maybe both will be on Mitchell's list.

oofNot good. All the Bonds haters who love baseball are even going to take a big gulp if this list is loaded with big names.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Candidates off the top of my head:Albert Pujols (performance)Jim Edmonds (injury trouble)Scott Rolen (injury trouble)Brian Roberts (performance)Carlos Pena (maybe)Miguel Tejada (streaky performance)JD Drew (based on his dropoff after leaving the West Coast)Milton Bradley (temper)Eric Gagne (performance)Mike Lowell (performance)At this point, anyone with spikes in their performance, particularly those with increases in power categories, should be considered a suspect. Those with sudden injury troubles (like Rolen) should also be suspects. Remember that Ken Caminiti had trouble staying healthy after he got off the 'roids.

Clemens (like Bonds, this guy really got a lot better in his older age. Until the tests)Gane (umm...that is a big yes!)Pujols Brian RobertsJuan Rincon (Was great for a couple years with the Twins until he got caught. Now he sucks)TejadaPudge (look at the before and after pictures. Any questions?)RolenI always thought Luis Gonzalez (How in the hell did this guy EVER hit 57 HRs? He was the later version of Brady Anderson), Bagwell, Finley, Dykstra (he is a given), Vaughn, Jay Bell (near the end of his career he went from 20 to 38 HRs), and other losers. John Jaha (Hit 35 after hitting 18 combined his first two seasons), and Matt Stairs hit 38 one year. (Matt Stairs hit 38 Hrs one year. Let that sink in)

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Does anyone remember Peter Gammons saying that there were two names on a user list that would have crippled baseball if they were released? Some on here might remember talking about it on these boards.

I think either AROD or Clemens and maybe both will be on Mitchell's list.

oofNot good. All the Bonds haters who love baseball are even going to take a big gulp if this list is loaded with big names.

I honestly think that Clemens was on this list but the Baseball Gods be damned if Bud Selig was going to let the 7 time Cy Young award winner be a known juicer. He knew baseball couldn't handle that. Bonds was gonna be the HR champ eventually and was tearing up baseball. Think about it. The Washington DC hearings with Palmiero, McGwire, and Sosa being up on the stand. The sudden weight loss of Giambi and Pudge. The steroid whispers were in. Do you think baseball could handle it if the best pitcher in the game and the best hitter in the game were both on the juice? No F!n way!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Does anyone remember Peter Gammons saying that there were two names on a user list that would have crippled baseball if they were released? Some on here might remember talking about it on these boards.

I think either AROD or Clemens and maybe both will be on Mitchell's list.

oofNot good. All the Bonds haters who love baseball are even going to take a big gulp if this list is loaded with big names.

I honestly think that Clemens was on this list but the Baseball Gods be damned if Bud Selig was going to let the 7 time Cy Young award winner be a known juicer. He knew baseball couldn't handle that. Bonds was gonna be the HR champ eventually and was tearing up baseball. Think about it. The Washington DC hearings with Palmiero, McGwire, and Sosa being up on the stand. The sudden weight loss of Giambi and Pudge. The steroid whispers were in. Do you think baseball could handle it if the best pitcher in the game and the best hitter in the game were both on the juice? No F!n way!

If this is infact the case do you think MLB reaches an agreement with Clemens or any other fading star and push them into retirement? Basically a deal to keep their name out of it because they are no longer active thus technically no longer falling under the rules implemeted by the league?I can see Pudge being on the list and a few other hall of famers. Basically if Jason Grimsley was juicing everyone is in play to possibly be a violator.

 

[David Yudkin]

My question is how they determined who gets on the list and what they plan to do about it.

For example, would they consider a tip from a ballboy enough to throw someone like A-Rod under the bus (with nothing else to support it). SImilarly, other than having to wear a Scarlett Letter, would they try to discipline these guys well after the fact when they likely did not fail any of the current testing criteria?

For example, if they site Barry Bonds for having received 30 shipments of steroids 5-6 years ago, what tdoes that info allow them to do at this point?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

My question is how they determined who gets on the list and what they plan to do about it.For example, would they consider a tip from a ballboy enough to throw someone like A-Rod under the bus (with nothing else to support it). SImilarly, other than having to wear a Scarlett Letter, would they try to discipline these guys well after the fact when they likely did not fail any of the current testing criteria?For example, if they site Barry Bonds for having received 30 shipments of steroids 5-6 years ago, what tdoes that info allow them to do at this point?

I think only Jesus knows the answer to this and he's busy trying to help NBA players make their free throws.

 

[Gambino]

With Bud Selig running things it only makes sense to release this announcment during the World Series. Seriously, why on earth would the guy release this stuff...ever.

 

[Gambino]

Does anyone remember Peter Gammons saying that there were two names on a user list that would have crippled baseball if they were released? Some on here might remember talking about it on these boards.

I think either AROD or Clemens and maybe both will be on Mitchell's list.

I know this would thrill you to death, but it would shock me if AROD was on the list. HGH, maybe, but doesn't fit the mold of the steroid guy IMO. Clemens on the other hand,

 

[shadyridr]

With Bud Selig running things it only makes sense to release this announcment during the World Series. Seriously, why on earth would the guy release this stuff...ever.

Pretty sure Bud has no control of this as this was supposed to be an independent investigation by Sen George Mitchell.

 

[Gambino]

With Bud Selig running things it only makes sense to release this announcment during the World Series. Seriously, why on earth would the guy release this stuff...ever.

Pretty sure Bud has no control of this as this was supposed to be an independent investigation by Sen George Mitchell.

An independent investigation, set up by Bud Selig. I'd be surprised if he doesn't have complete control over what happens to the findings. But I could be wrong.

 

[shadyridr]

With Bud Selig running things it only makes sense to release this announcment during the World Series. Seriously, why on earth would the guy release this stuff...ever.

Pretty sure Bud has no control of this as this was supposed to be an independent investigation by Sen George Mitchell.

An independent investigation, set up by Bud Selig. I'd be surprised if he doesn't have complete control over what happens to the findings. But I could be wrong.

But I thought that was the reason for picking George Mitchell as he would be under no control by Bud. Bud wanted an impartial investigation that he had no influence on.

 

[428143]

What's next? The Mitchell Cover-Up...

 

[JohnDoe]

Candidates off the top of my head:Albert Pujols (performance)Jim Edmonds (injury trouble)Scott Rolen (injury trouble)Brian Roberts (performance)Carlos Pena (maybe)Miguel Tejada (streaky performance)JD Drew (based on his dropoff after leaving the West Coast)Milton Bradley (temper)Eric Gagne (performance)Mike Lowell (performance)At this point, anyone with spikes in their performance, particularly those with increases in power categories, should be considered a suspect. Those with sudden injury troubles (like Rolen) should also be suspects. Remember that Ken Caminiti had trouble staying healthy after he got off the 'roids.

Clemens (like Bonds, this guy really got a lot better in his older age. Until the tests)Gane (umm...that is a big yes!)Pujols Brian RobertsJuan Rincon (Was great for a couple years with the Twins until he got caught. Now he sucks)TejadaPudge (look at the before and after pictures. Any questions?)RolenI always thought Luis Gonzalez (How in the hell did this guy EVER hit 57 HRs? He was the later version of Brady Anderson), Bagwell, Finley, Dykstra (he is a given), Vaughn, Jay Bell (near the end of his career he went from 20 to 38 HRs), and other losers. John Jaha (Hit 35 after hitting 18 combined his first two seasons), and Matt Stairs hit 38 one year. (Matt Stairs hit 38 Hrs one year. Let that sink in)

I think Nomar Garciapara and Kerry Woods (injury rehab) can be added to the list of suspects.

 

[Wrigley]

Can anyone say Gary Matthews Jr?

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Does anyone remember Peter Gammons saying that there were two names on a user list that would have crippled baseball if they were released? Some on here might remember talking about it on these boards.

I think either AROD or Clemens and maybe both will be on Mitchell's list.

I know this would thrill you to death, but it would shock me if AROD was on the list. HGH, maybe, but doesn't fit the mold of the steroid guy IMO. Clemens on the other hand,

Canseco is on record saying that AROD asked about obtaining steroids. At this point I believe Canseco as he is been pretty much on the mark.Now this was several years ago when steroids were the drug of choice. It has since evolved to HGH and I don't doubt that AROD was smart enough to make the transition but that doesn't mean he's clean and that doesn't mean they dont have stuff on him dating back several years.

 

[boom king]

ill join.... shawn green, ty cobb, samuel sosa, rickey henderson, ted williams, kyle farnsworth, christy mathewson, craig biggio, george sisler, ken griffey jr., and willie mays (who do you think introduced bonds?)

 

[boom king]

Canseco is on record saying that AROD asked about obtaining steroids. At this point I believe Canseco as he is been pretty much on the mark.

he is also on record wearing women's clothing on reality TV. hes also on record promoting a book.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you're looking at the injury prone and high performance guys, can somebody please explain to me why Griffey is generally considered above the fray?

 

[Knightro]

If you're looking at the injury prone and high performance guys, can somebody please explain to me why Griffey is generally considered above the fray?

We've seen his injuries on pretty harsh events on the field..going into walls, dives, catching divots. We're not talking the strained obliques/torn triceps/biceps that would indicate joints handling too much muscle.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you're looking at the injury prone and high performance guys, can somebody please explain to me why Griffey is generally considered above the fray?

We've seen his injuries on pretty harsh events on the field..going into walls, dives, catching divots. We're not talking the strained obliques/torn triceps/biceps that would indicate joints handling too much muscle.

The guy hurts himself rounding first after routine singles. And god forbid he try to go first to third without a leg just falling off on the basepath.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I wonder if baseball has the balls to release all the names and not "protect" anyone that might be retiring this year.Do I believe Bonds was on the juice? Oh hell yeah.Do I believe that there were other players that used and never had to answer for it? Oh hell yeah.Does anyone remember Peter Gammons saying that there were two names on a user list that would have crippled baseball if they were released? Some on here might remember talking about it on these boards.

A-Rod and Clemens are good suspects, and in the pretext of this, logical candidates, but I don't think their inclusion would "cripple baseball". They are definately legends, but both have baggage, seemingly in baseball and with fans. Just kind of give off the air of being a-holes or something. I think names that would cripple baseball are players that would have combined high end performance, likability and a truly squeaky clean reputation. To that end, if any of these two were found to have done roids(and you could POTENTIALLY argue for any one of them), people wouldn't know what to think because it would be so unlikely and so out of the blue, there would really be a wholesale erosion of trust in players:-Cal Ripken-Nolan Ryan-Mariano Rivera-Derek JeterI'm not saying any one of them did it, but they are guys on the white bread icon list that would really do some damage. We've already heard the whispers about A-rod and clemens and they wouldn't shock or shake the world. For what its worth, I have some friends in the NY media who told me as of 2004(when he was last involved with the team) that the only 3 clean Yankees were Jeter, Rivera and Enrique Wilson.

 

[redman]

I'm no fan of his, but I doubt JD Drew juiced. He seems risk averse and much too prone to coddling his own body if he gets an owie. He's also not built like a guy on 'roids. Yes, he's had a lot of injuries, but I think that's him and not 'roids doing that.

 

[Clifton]

So what exactly was the point of this investigation? I don't really get it. Who put it together? And what are they trying to achieve? Are they just going to roll out a laundry list of players who were using drugs over the last 5 years? Ok, then what? Who benefits from this?

Sounds like a big waste of tax dollars to me.

 

[Die]

Does anyone remember Peter Gammons saying that there were two names on a user list that would have crippled baseball if they were released?

If Gammons said that, then it suggests multiple players on the Yankees and Red Sox, seeing as how they are the two premier franchises in baseball and are seen as classy organizations as well.

 

[Die]

So what exactly was the point of this investigation? I don't really get it. Who put it together? And what are they trying to achieve? Are they just going to roll out a laundry list of players who were using drugs over the last 5 years? Ok, then what? Who benefits from this?Sounds like a big waste of tax dollars to me.

I think the government is not involved in this investigation. I'm not sure, but isn't Mitchell just a retired senator heading up some kind of independent research as appointed by Bud Selig? And the focus of the investigation is from 2002 to the present? So basically you just have to think of the biggest stars in baseball from 2002 to today and some of them must be among the names, if this would cripple per sport per Gammons.

 

[Finless]

So what exactly was the point of this investigation? I don't really get it. Who put it together? And what are they trying to achieve? Are they just going to roll out a laundry list of players who were using drugs over the last 5 years? Ok, then what? Who benefits from this?Sounds like a big waste of tax dollars to me.

I think the government is not involved in this investigation. I'm not sure, but isn't Mitchell just a retired senator heading up some kind of independent research as appointed by Bud Selig? And the focus of the investigation is from 2002 to the present? So basically you just have to think of the biggest stars in baseball from 2002 to today and some of them must be among the names, if this would cripple per sport per Gammons.

Congress dude...congress

 

[Autumn Wind]

So what exactly was the point of this investigation? I don't really get it. Who put it together? And what are they trying to achieve? Are they just going to roll out a laundry list of players who were using drugs over the last 5 years? Ok, then what? Who benefits from this?Sounds like a big waste of tax dollars to me.

I think it's Selig paying lip service to Congress so they don't revoke MLB's anti-trust exemption.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

T minus 2 days and counting...

 

[AmpLee]

according to ESPN....MLB is reviewing the list now...Wonder if they try to bury the story by releasing on Friday...Don't know if that will do any good...This is gonna be huge

 

[Eephus]

Howard Bryant's lengthy piece on ESPN.com http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3142651 doesn't inspire a lot of optimism about the investigation.

 

[shadyridr]

It seems most of the report came from this Mets trainer. Im supposed to believe he didnt just name drop for whatever reason? Maybe he has a vendetta against somebody. Who knows, Im not saying some of the names arent gonna be accurate but I find it hard to believe he's telling the 100% truth.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

suspected tigers:

Sheffield

Pudge

 

[avoiding injuries]

suspected orioles:

the entire team

 

[shadyridr]

suspected yankees:

none, we are the golden team!

 

[smotherhook]

suspected yankees:none, we are the golden team!

60 million dollar waste of time. 60 names out of 4200. there were more names than that when MLB did there initial testing to determine if they were going to go forward with drug testing in the first place. no investigation into any front offices or the commissioners office. this is a prime example of the problem with the govt getting into sports. mitchell should just stick with what he is obviously good at. wasting taxpayer money outside of sports.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

suspected yankees:none, we are the golden team!

I just hope Bernie isn't on the list, but I feel like he is. I'm expecting Clemens, A-Rod, maybe Tino.