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The Next Emmit Smith (1 Viewer)

Rev

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Here's my criteria, but feel free to add more:

-Solid, balanced offensive situation that will create long drives and good opportunities

-Runner with good (not necessarily great) speed but tremendous vision and lateral quickness

-Elite ability to hit holes and break tackles

-Ideal football player's mentality (attitude, work ethic, etc.)

-Nose for the endzone

Guys like DeAngelo and Forte top my list... (edit to ad MBIII as well)

 
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MBIII is no Emmitt Smith. Emmitt played with a separated shoulder and carried the team on his back in a late-season win over the New York Giants. MBIII ain't carrying nothing but his own helmet.

 
Here's my criteria, but feel free to add more:-Solid, balanced offensive situation that will create long drives and good opportunities -Runner with good (not necessarily great) speed but tremendous vision and lateral quickness-Elite ability to hit holes and break tackles-Ideal football player's mentality (attitude, work ethic, etc.)-Nose for the endzoneGuys like DeAngelo and Forte top my list... (edit to ad MBIII as well)
I think you forgot the most important criteria: A dominating offensive line that can make a good runner into Hall of Fame material.
 
I don't know... who has the best offensive line and supporting talent? Who's the elite RB who will retire just short of the all time running record so this other guy can get it? Who will say ridiculous things in his career as a color guy once he retires?

 
Borat said:
I don't know... who has the best offensive line and supporting talent? Who's the elite RB who will retire just short of the all time running record so this other guy can get it? Who will say ridiculous things in his career as a color guy once he retires?
I nominate Chris Johnson.How is Adrian Peterson not on top of your list?
 
I'm going to get crucified here, but ADP is too fast... too good IMO. Emmitt didn't really have ADP's physical gifts, just great vision, good moves and a whole bunch of heart. I don't think Emmitt had 1/2 the physical talent ADP does, not saying he's wasn't a great running back... just talking natural ability. Smith had a serious work ethic and was a horse. I also wouldn't compare him to Chris Johnson... not even close to having the same running style, speed, athleticism. If I had to choose one back right now in the NFL that would fit the E. Smith bill... none other then the outspoken Redskin... Clinton Portis.

Portis has a knack for finding the holes that his offensive line opens up... he hits the hole after 1 cut... never dances or makes excessive moves in the backfield. Also doesn't really have breakaway speed... he can move... but he can be caught from behind. He's extremely savvy and has a high football I.Q... he has my nomination.

 
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Rev said:
Here's my criteria, but feel free to add more:

-Solid, balanced offensive situation that will create long drives and good opportunities Very true.

-Runner with good (not necessarily great) speed but tremendous vision and lateral quickness I gotta disagree with the lateral quickness part. Not sure about the vision.

-Elite ability to hit holes and break tacklesI don't think anything was elite about him in this regard.

-Ideal football player's mentality (attitude, work ethic, etc.) Very accurate. I think Emmit and Curtis Martin were both in that category.

-Nose for the endzone Also an overused cliche. There is no such thing.

Guys like DeAngelo and Forte top my list... (edit to ad MBIII as well)
Emmit maybe had good vision but it's hard to say how much it was tested with the blocking he had to work with. Most of the time he ran, the hole was where it was supposed to be. And his vision didn't help a lot late in his career when the blocking wasn't always there. The most lateral movement I ever saw him exhibit was that shuffle sidestep move he had when he'd clear the line of scrimmage and sidestep a head on collision with a LB or safety. It was effective and probably helped prolong his career. I don't think it sprang him for a lot of extra yardage but it did help him keep his momentum moving forward so he usually fell for another positive yard or two with defenders hanging onto his legs.I don't think there's such a thing as an ability to "hit the hole" apart from good field vision. I think it's an overused cliche. Most NFL RB's can hit a hole if it's there. Emmit had confidence in his line and knew he'd have a hole or at least enough o-line push to gain yards. RB's that hit the O-line with authority do so because they expect a hole to be there. D.Williams and J.Stewart are getting there like Emmit did. Most RB's accused of not hitting the hole with authority suffer behind poor or erratic O-lines thus they lack confidence and hesistate to see where/if the hole opens up. Hitting the hole with authority or at speed is a measure of the RB's confidence in his O-line, not some innate ability.

I wouldn't say Emmit was elite at breaking tackles either. If DL's and LB's can't plug the hole and meet you head on with their weight on the balls of their feet, most NFL RB's can break the resulting arm tackles or topple the defender backwards to gain yardage. Emmit did use his stiff arm to the face mask of defenders quite a bit to good effect.

I think Forte probably falls into that mold somewhat in that he's not flashy and doesn't excel at any one thing but does a good job across the board. He has enough speed to break a long gainer when the hole opens up. Has enough power to break through some arm tackles and enough balance to keep his feet after partial contact. He has good enough hands and good enough blocking technique to stay in on passing downs and move the chains on third down.

D.Williams I'm not sure about because Emmit was a very good blocker for a non-FB runningback. While I think D.Williams's speed is probably over-rated by the seeming need to contrast him with Stewart and type-cast him as the "smaller, faster, speed guy", I think he is faster and quicker than Emmit. I think Williams has better balance than Emmit based upon some the hits I've seen him bounce off of.

But clearly both Williams and Stewart are benefitting from better O-line play...just like Emmit did.

Avery said:
I think you forgot the most important criteria: A dominating offensive line that can make a good runner into Hall of Fame material.
Very, very true. Emmit had good ability but not great or elite ability. IMHO, probably the most important ability Emmit actually possessed was his health and longevity. That attribute, when paired with a dominant O-line and his good but not great ability added up to a long, prolific career.
 
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I'm going to get crucified here, but ADP is too fast... too good IMO. Emmitt didn't really have ADP's physical gifts, just great vision, good moves and a whole bunch of heart. I don't think Emmitt had 1/2 the physical talent ADP does, not saying he's wasn't a great running back... just talking natural ability. Smith had a serious work ethic and was a horse. I also wouldn't compare him to Chris Johnson... not even close to having the same running style, speed, athleticism. If I had to choose one back right now in the NFL that would fit the E. Smith bill... none other then the outspoken Redskin... Clinton Portis.Portis has a knack for finding the holes that his offensive line opens up... he hits the hole after 1 cut... never dances or makes excessive moves in the backfield. Also doesn't really have breakaway speed... he can move... but he can be caught from behind. He's extremely savvy and has a high football I.Q... he has my nomination.
Portis is probably a very good comparison as far as running ability. Can he block as well as Emmit could? I think Portis may have a slight edge in his top gear over Emmit but you're right in that he usually isn't the fastest guy on the field at any given time.
 
Rev said:
Here's my criteria, but feel free to add more:-Solid, balanced offensive situation that will create long drives and good opportunities -Runner with good (not necessarily great) speed but tremendous vision and lateral quickness-Elite ability to hit holes and break tackles-Ideal football player's mentality (attitude, work ethic, etc.)-Nose for the endzoneGuys like DeAngelo and Forte top my list... (edit to ad MBIII as well)
I think A. Bradshaw has a similar running style to Emmit. Great vision, footwork & quickness, can break tackles for his size, and also does not have great long speed.
 
I'm going to get crucified here, but ADP is too fast... too good IMO. Emmitt didn't really have ADP's physical gifts, just great vision, good moves and a whole bunch of heart. I don't think Emmitt had 1/2 the physical talent ADP does, not saying he's wasn't a great running back... just talking natural ability. Smith had a serious work ethic and was a horse. I also wouldn't compare him to Chris Johnson... not even close to having the same running style, speed, athleticism. If I had to choose one back right now in the NFL that would fit the E. Smith bill... none other then the outspoken Redskin... Clinton Portis.Portis has a knack for finding the holes that his offensive line opens up... he hits the hole after 1 cut... never dances or makes excessive moves in the backfield. Also doesn't really have breakaway speed... he can move... but he can be caught from behind. He's extremely savvy and has a high football I.Q... he has my nomination.
Fair enough, I'm still not completely sure what the OP means when he asks who is the "next Emmitt Smith". I mean, does he mean the guy who will break the record, or a guy with the same style? AD has the best chance of breaking the record, he has a darn good OL, elite ability, good (great) speed and vision, a nose for the endzone, and a good mentality. In short, he matches the stated criteria.
Rev said:
Here's my criteria, but feel free to add more:-Solid, balanced offensive situation that will create long drives and good opportunities -Runner with good (not necessarily great) speed but tremendous vision and lateral quickness-Elite ability to hit holes and break tackles-Ideal football player's mentality (attitude, work ethic, etc.)-Nose for the endzone
I mentioned CJ in reference to Borat, just for the offensive line. Obviously the surrounding talent doesn't compare well.Also, if CJ manages to minimize injuries, he has a chance to come close to the record on yardage.
Borat said:
I don't know... who has the best offensive line and supporting talent? Who's the elite RB who will retire just short of the all time running record so this other guy can get it? Who will say ridiculous things in his career as a color guy once he retires?
 
I'm going to get crucified here, but ADP is too fast... too good IMO. Emmitt didn't really have ADP's physical gifts, just great vision, good moves and a whole bunch of heart. I don't think Emmitt had 1/2 the physical talent ADP does, not saying he's wasn't a great running back... just talking natural ability. Smith had a serious work ethic and was a horse. I also wouldn't compare him to Chris Johnson... not even close to having the same running style, speed, athleticism. If I had to choose one back right now in the NFL that would fit the E. Smith bill... none other then the outspoken Redskin... Clinton Portis.

Portis has a knack for finding the holes that his offensive line opens up... he hits the hole after 1 cut... never dances or makes excessive moves in the backfield. Also doesn't really have breakaway speed... he can move... but he can be caught from behind. He's extremely savvy and has a high football I.Q... he has my nomination.
Fair enough, I'm still not completely sure what the OP means when he asks who is the "next Emmitt Smith". I mean, does he mean the guy who will break the record, or a guy with the same style? AD has the best chance of breaking the record, he has a darn good OL, elite ability, good (great) speed and vision, a nose for the endzone, and a good mentality. In short, he matches the stated criteria.

Rev said:
Here's my criteria, but feel free to add more:

-Solid, balanced offensive situation that will create long drives and good opportunities

-Runner with good (not necessarily great) speed but tremendous vision and lateral quickness

-Elite ability to hit holes and break tackles

-Ideal football player's mentality (attitude, work ethic, etc.)

-Nose for the endzone
I mentioned CJ in reference to Borat, just for the offensive line. Obviously the surrounding talent doesn't compare well.Also, if CJ manages to minimize injuries, he has a chance to come close to the record on yardage.

Borat said:
I don't know... who has the best offensive line and supporting talent? Who's the elite RB who will retire just short of the all time running record so this other guy can get it? Who will say ridiculous things in his career as a color guy once he retires?
I love CJ3 as much as anyone, but <_< I mean theoretically he has a chance. As does most any other RB.

 
i think it was suppose to be Troy Hambrick

so many players put up great numbers till the offense around them crumbles, very few can put up monster numbers with nothing around them(Barry,sweetness,Jim Brown to name a few)

 
From a skillset, ADP and CJ3 are heads and shoulders above Emmitt. Even Forte looks more talented, often compared to Marcus Allen. I think everyone knows thats obvious

I'd lean towards pierre Thomas. Not real fast, not huge, but good athleticism, awesome vision, positive body lean falling forward....

 
The way that people downplay Emmitt Smith will always be hilarious to me.

Watch and learn... that isn't the offensive line breaking those tackles, and shaking defenders IN THE BACKFIELD... that is Emmitt Smith.

Now, for the plays where he seems to be running through a nice hole... guess what? That is what great running backs can do by simply following the scheme of the play. This is something that really set Emmitt Smith apart from someone like Barry Sanders. Barry, while a great pure runner, simply never had Emmitt's vision, and was never great at following the scheme of the play. That tends to make an offensive line look a lot worse than it is, when you aren't going where you are supposed to. Rather than trying to tap dance in the backfield, and looking for a homerun on every play, it is actually more productive for your team if you follow the play and pick up positive yards on every play. If you do this all of the time, you will also find that sometimes the entire blocking scheme works out perfectly and you are in a footrace to the endzone. Michael Irvin said it best, when he said that Barry Sanders was the most exciting running back that he had ever seen, when he watched him. However, Emmitt was the greatest running back he had ever seen. He said what people don't understand, is that Emmitt doesn't get as much credit as Barry, because Barry did things that looked impossible, because he made everything look so difficult to do. Emmitt was so great, that he made everything look easy. He would make great cuts, and shake people now and then... but he had such a great feel for the game, and ran with such force, that he could simply tilt his shoulder at an angle, or just make a slight move, and it would look like a defender was just sliding off of him. Emmitt Smith made his line look as great as they looked. The man was hardly EVER taken down by the first couple people that got their hands on him. People like to pretend like Barry Sanders never had a good offense, when anyone who was around then knows damn well that their QB, and WR's had VERY productive years. Detroit's offense was never their problem... their problem was their horrible defense. Barry didn't really make things any easier on them by breaking up the scheme of the play in the backfield, and getting himself dropped for a loss more times than anyone else in history, rather than just following the play and only picking up a few yards if that is what was there. It doesn't really help if you snap off an 80 yard run once a game, when you have forced the offense to go 3 and out 5 other times that game because you were getting stuffed while looking for that homerun.

 
The way that people downplay Emmitt Smith will always be hilarious to me.

Watch and learn... that isn't the offensive line breaking those tackles, and shaking defenders IN THE BACKFIELD... that is Emmitt Smith.

Now, for the plays where he seems to be running through a nice hole... guess what? That is what great running backs can do by simply following the scheme of the play. This is something that really set Emmitt Smith apart from someone like Barry Sanders. Barry, while a great pure runner, simply never had Emmitt's vision, and was never great at following the scheme of the play. That tends to make an offensive line look a lot worse than it is, when you aren't going where you are supposed to. Rather than trying to tap dance in the backfield, and looking for a homerun on every play, it is actually more productive for your team if you follow the play and pick up positive yards on every play. If you do this all of the time, you will also find that sometimes the entire blocking scheme works out perfectly and you are in a footrace to the endzone. Michael Irvin said it best, when he said that Barry Sanders was the most exciting running back that he had ever seen, when he watched him. However, Emmitt was the greatest running back he had ever seen. He said what people don't understand, is that Emmitt doesn't get as much credit as Barry, because Barry did things that looked impossible, because he made everything look so difficult to do. Emmitt was so great, that he made everything look easy. He would make great cuts, and shake people now and then... but he had such a great feel for the game, and ran with such force, that he could simply tilt his shoulder at an angle, or just make a slight move, and it would look like a defender was just sliding off of him. Emmitt Smith made his line look as great as they looked. The man was hardly EVER taken down by the first couple people that got their hands on him. People like to pretend like Barry Sanders never had a good offense, when anyone who was around then knows damn well that their QB, and WR's had VERY productive years. Detroit's offense was never their problem... their problem was their horrible defense. Barry didn't really make things any easier on them by breaking up the scheme of the play in the backfield, and getting himself dropped for a loss more times than anyone else in history, rather than just following the play and only picking up a few yards if that is what was there. It doesn't really help if you snap off an 80 yard run once a game, when you have forced the offense to go 3 and out 5 other times that game because you were getting stuffed while looking for that homerun.

:) :wall: :lmao: I love it when Cowboy fans try and convince other football fans that Emmitt was as good as Barry. It's like they believe their the only ones who can judge talent. Clearly watching Barry and Emmitt play isn't enough for me to make a rational decision that Barry was head and shoulders above Emmitt in talent. I need a Cowboy fan to show me a 3:00 highlight video(from a 15 year vet mind you) to help sway my argument.

Seriously, give it up. That Cowboy offensive line was HUGE. No other way around it. They were all 300+ in a time when that was unheard of. Larry Allen has an argument as the best Olinemen to ever play. Emmitt Smith was a very good back that looked 10 times better because of his Oline. Give that line to Sanders, or Marcus Allen, or even Thurman Thomas and you'd see a record on the level with Jerry Rice's(as in it'll never be broken).

 
The way that people downplay Emmitt Smith will always be hilarious to me.

Watch and learn... that isn't the offensive line breaking those tackles, and shaking defenders IN THE BACKFIELD... that is Emmitt Smith.

Now, for the plays where he seems to be running through a nice hole... guess what? That is what great running backs can do by simply following the scheme of the play. This is something that really set Emmitt Smith apart from someone like Barry Sanders. Barry, while a great pure runner, simply never had Emmitt's vision, and was never great at following the scheme of the play. That tends to make an offensive line look a lot worse than it is, when you aren't going where you are supposed to. Rather than trying to tap dance in the backfield, and looking for a homerun on every play, it is actually more productive for your team if you follow the play and pick up positive yards on every play. If you do this all of the time, you will also find that sometimes the entire blocking scheme works out perfectly and you are in a footrace to the endzone. Michael Irvin said it best, when he said that Barry Sanders was the most exciting running back that he had ever seen, when he watched him. However, Emmitt was the greatest running back he had ever seen. He said what people don't understand, is that Emmitt doesn't get as much credit as Barry, because Barry did things that looked impossible, because he made everything look so difficult to do. Emmitt was so great, that he made everything look easy. He would make great cuts, and shake people now and then... but he had such a great feel for the game, and ran with such force, that he could simply tilt his shoulder at an angle, or just make a slight move, and it would look like a defender was just sliding off of him. Emmitt Smith made his line look as great as they looked. The man was hardly EVER taken down by the first couple people that got their hands on him. People like to pretend like Barry Sanders never had a good offense, when anyone who was around then knows damn well that their QB, and WR's had VERY productive years. Detroit's offense was never their problem... their problem was their horrible defense. Barry didn't really make things any easier on them by breaking up the scheme of the play in the backfield, and getting himself dropped for a loss more times than anyone else in history, rather than just following the play and only picking up a few yards if that is what was there. It doesn't really help if you snap off an 80 yard run once a game, when you have forced the offense to go 3 and out 5 other times that game because you were getting stuffed while looking for that homerun.

Yeah... funny how the Cowboys were 1-15 with Aikman and Irvin before Emmitt got there. Then, all of the sudden the team is Super Bowl Championship material, and Emmitt was just the beneficiary of a great offense, and offensive line. Funny how Aikman never put up any type of huge numbers, and they were going up against 8 men in the box every time out. Funny how many times Emmitt Smith had tacklers on him in the backfield, yet he was able to break those tackles... it must have been the "hugeness" of the offensive line that scared those defenders off of him. The same offensive line that allowed Troy Aikman to receive so many concussions that he had to end his career much earlier than he would have otherwise. The same offensive line.... that wasn't even the same offensive line throughout his entire career. People act like his line was always the same guys, all in their prime, every game, and they are all hall of famers. Most of you guys would have to run a google search to name more than 1 or 2 of them. I guess we also don't take into consideration that Emmitt Smith also played against a MUCH tougher NFC east schedule, while Barry ran his numbers up against the pathetic defenses in his division. None of that matter, because Barry Sanders (even though he was stopped for a loss more than anyone in history)... looked really good running the football on 1-3 plays a game.

You don't need to watch a highlight reel to change your mind... what you need to do is learn how to form your own opinions, rather than just going by the same 5 cent myth that everyone else tosses around without looking any deeper than the success of the Cowboys, vs the success of the Lions. I would love to know how Detroit's QB, and Receivers had years where they were much more productive than Aikman and Irvin... as well as Barry always being at or near the top of the RB's in the league... with this "horrible" offensive line that people pretend Detroit had. If their line was so horrible... how were their QB's, Wr's and RB's so productive? I bet you don't have a logical answer for that one.

 
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The way that people downplay Emmitt Smith will always be hilarious to me.

Watch and learn... that isn't the offensive line breaking those tackles, and shaking defenders IN THE BACKFIELD... that is Emmitt Smith.

Now, for the plays where he seems to be running through a nice hole... guess what? That is what great running backs can do by simply following the scheme of the play. This is something that really set Emmitt Smith apart from someone like Barry Sanders. Barry, while a great pure runner, simply never had Emmitt's vision, and was never great at following the scheme of the play. That tends to make an offensive line look a lot worse than it is, when you aren't going where you are supposed to. Rather than trying to tap dance in the backfield, and looking for a homerun on every play, it is actually more productive for your team if you follow the play and pick up positive yards on every play. If you do this all of the time, you will also find that sometimes the entire blocking scheme works out perfectly and you are in a footrace to the endzone. Michael Irvin said it best, when he said that Barry Sanders was the most exciting running back that he had ever seen, when he watched him. However, Emmitt was the greatest running back he had ever seen. He said what people don't understand, is that Emmitt doesn't get as much credit as Barry, because Barry did things that looked impossible, because he made everything look so difficult to do. Emmitt was so great, that he made everything look easy. He would make great cuts, and shake people now and then... but he had such a great feel for the game, and ran with such force, that he could simply tilt his shoulder at an angle, or just make a slight move, and it would look like a defender was just sliding off of him. Emmitt Smith made his line look as great as they looked. The man was hardly EVER taken down by the first couple people that got their hands on him. People like to pretend like Barry Sanders never had a good offense, when anyone who was around then knows damn well that their QB, and WR's had VERY productive years. Detroit's offense was never their problem... their problem was their horrible defense. Barry didn't really make things any easier on them by breaking up the scheme of the play in the backfield, and getting himself dropped for a loss more times than anyone else in history, rather than just following the play and only picking up a few yards if that is what was there. It doesn't really help if you snap off an 80 yard run once a game, when you have forced the offense to go 3 and out 5 other times that game because you were getting stuffed while looking for that homerun.

So... you're saying that Emmitt was good? :headbang:
 
The way that people downplay Emmitt Smith will always be hilarious to me.

Watch and learn... that isn't the offensive line breaking those tackles, and shaking defenders IN THE BACKFIELD... that is Emmitt Smith.

Now, for the plays where he seems to be running through a nice hole... guess what? That is what great running backs can do by simply following the scheme of the play. This is something that really set Emmitt Smith apart from someone like Barry Sanders. Barry, while a great pure runner, simply never had Emmitt's vision, and was never great at following the scheme of the play. That tends to make an offensive line look a lot worse than it is, when you aren't going where you are supposed to. Rather than trying to tap dance in the backfield, and looking for a homerun on every play, it is actually more productive for your team if you follow the play and pick up positive yards on every play. If you do this all of the time, you will also find that sometimes the entire blocking scheme works out perfectly and you are in a footrace to the endzone. Michael Irvin said it best, when he said that Barry Sanders was the most exciting running back that he had ever seen, when he watched him. However, Emmitt was the greatest running back he had ever seen. He said what people don't understand, is that Emmitt doesn't get as much credit as Barry, because Barry did things that looked impossible, because he made everything look so difficult to do. Emmitt was so great, that he made everything look easy. He would make great cuts, and shake people now and then... but he had such a great feel for the game, and ran with such force, that he could simply tilt his shoulder at an angle, or just make a slight move, and it would look like a defender was just sliding off of him. Emmitt Smith made his line look as great as they looked. The man was hardly EVER taken down by the first couple people that got their hands on him. People like to pretend like Barry Sanders never had a good offense, when anyone who was around then knows damn well that their QB, and WR's had VERY productive years. Detroit's offense was never their problem... their problem was their horrible defense. Barry didn't really make things any easier on them by breaking up the scheme of the play in the backfield, and getting himself dropped for a loss more times than anyone else in history, rather than just following the play and only picking up a few yards if that is what was there. It doesn't really help if you snap off an 80 yard run once a game, when you have forced the offense to go 3 and out 5 other times that game because you were getting stuffed while looking for that homerun.

He was alright.
 
To get back on track, and answer the question... I really don't see anyone touching Emmitt's record. Not because there isn't anyone talented enough to do it, but because the league is changing. More and more teams are turning to the RBBC approach. I don't see too many teams that are willing to feature the same running back for that many years. Even if they are featured and stay healthy, they end up splitting carries later in their careers with a younger, fresher RB. So... you would have to be a great running back, come into a good program... stay healthy for over a decade, while being the featured back the entire time. You would have to keep your production up the entire time as well, and somehow avoid giving up carries later in your career to a young running back, which your team is sure to pick up later in your career, if not earlier. Let alone, you will have to be great enough all around to be an every down back. Great in pass protection, as a receiver, ect...

There are just too many factors working against it this day in age. The only way that I see Emmitt's record possibly getting touched, is if the NFL expands their schedule and plays more games per year.

 
The way that people downplay Emmitt Smith will always be hilarious to me.

Watch and learn... that isn't the offensive line breaking those tackles, and shaking defenders IN THE BACKFIELD... that is Emmitt Smith.

Now, for the plays where he seems to be running through a nice hole... guess what? That is what great running backs can do by simply following the scheme of the play. This is something that really set Emmitt Smith apart from someone like Barry Sanders. Barry, while a great pure runner, simply never had Emmitt's vision, and was never great at following the scheme of the play. That tends to make an offensive line look a lot worse than it is, when you aren't going where you are supposed to. Rather than trying to tap dance in the backfield, and looking for a homerun on every play, it is actually more productive for your team if you follow the play and pick up positive yards on every play. If you do this all of the time, you will also find that sometimes the entire blocking scheme works out perfectly and you are in a footrace to the endzone. Michael Irvin said it best, when he said that Barry Sanders was the most exciting running back that he had ever seen, when he watched him. However, Emmitt was the greatest running back he had ever seen. He said what people don't understand, is that Emmitt doesn't get as much credit as Barry, because Barry did things that looked impossible, because he made everything look so difficult to do. Emmitt was so great, that he made everything look easy. He would make great cuts, and shake people now and then... but he had such a great feel for the game, and ran with such force, that he could simply tilt his shoulder at an angle, or just make a slight move, and it would look like a defender was just sliding off of him. Emmitt Smith made his line look as great as they looked. The man was hardly EVER taken down by the first couple people that got their hands on him. People like to pretend like Barry Sanders never had a good offense, when anyone who was around then knows damn well that their QB, and WR's had VERY productive years. Detroit's offense was never their problem... their problem was their horrible defense. Barry didn't really make things any easier on them by breaking up the scheme of the play in the backfield, and getting himself dropped for a loss more times than anyone else in history, rather than just following the play and only picking up a few yards if that is what was there. It doesn't really help if you snap off an 80 yard run once a game, when you have forced the offense to go 3 and out 5 other times that game because you were getting stuffed while looking for that homerun.

Jesus Christ dude, don't have a hernia over this. This is something I take exception to though. I am forming my own opinion. I am not a fan of either the Cowboys or the Lions. I got to watch a lot of both of those teams back in the 90s and can say without trepidationthat anyone claiming Emmitt is better than Barry is either a HUGE homer or is completely off their rocker.

You spout out terribles half-truths like the fact that the Cowboys were 1-15 in Aikman's first season. This is true. It was also Jimmy Johnson's first season. I notice that you forget to mention the biggest anal-raping trade this league has ever seen. That year, the Cowboys were able to trade Herchel Walker for 5 veteran players and 8 draft picks. That's a lot of talent to add to a team with one trade. You never mention that Johnson drafted Daryl Johnson at fullback that year(and that he went on to become one of the best at that position to ever play), or that it was Mark Stepnoski's first year as their center(he was a stud too). The next few years saw them add how many probowl players via the draft? How many All-Pro players? You ought to be able to tell me, since you assume I know nothing about the Cowboys. I can tell you that Larry Allen, Nate Newton, Stepnoski, and Mark Tuinei make up the core of what is unquestionably the greatest Oline ever.(Well, I thought so at least, you apparently see it differently).

None of this matters to you though, you can tell better than anyone else who watched them play that Emmitt was better than Barry. Clearly he didn't benefit from having an offensive line that averaged 320 pounds, or from one of the best fullbacks in the game at the time. You'll continue to tell us that Scott Erickson did as much for Sanders as Aikman did for Smith. I'll continue to laugh.

You want me to answer the OP's question as in who the next Emmitt Smith could be in this game? My answer would be Chester Taylor, if the Vikings got a good QB this offseason. Dominating Oline. Good Defense to get them the ball back. Shifty in the hole with good vision, but lacking top end speed. However, he's in the same position that Emmitt would've been in if Barry Sanders had played for the Cowboys. On the bench watching a better back play.

 
The way that people downplay Emmitt Smith will always be hilarious to me.

Watch and learn... that isn't the offensive line breaking those tackles, and shaking defenders IN THE BACKFIELD... that is Emmitt Smith.

Now, for the plays where he seems to be running through a nice hole... guess what? That is what great running backs can do by simply following the scheme of the play. This is something that really set Emmitt Smith apart from someone like Barry Sanders. Barry, while a great pure runner, simply never had Emmitt's vision, and was never great at following the scheme of the play. That tends to make an offensive line look a lot worse than it is, when you aren't going where you are supposed to. Rather than trying to tap dance in the backfield, and looking for a homerun on every play, it is actually more productive for your team if you follow the play and pick up positive yards on every play. If you do this all of the time, you will also find that sometimes the entire blocking scheme works out perfectly and you are in a footrace to the endzone. Michael Irvin said it best, when he said that Barry Sanders was the most exciting running back that he had ever seen, when he watched him. However, Emmitt was the greatest running back he had ever seen. He said what people don't understand, is that Emmitt doesn't get as much credit as Barry, because Barry did things that looked impossible, because he made everything look so difficult to do. Emmitt was so great, that he made everything look easy. He would make great cuts, and shake people now and then... but he had such a great feel for the game, and ran with such force, that he could simply tilt his shoulder at an angle, or just make a slight move, and it would look like a defender was just sliding off of him. Emmitt Smith made his line look as great as they looked. The man was hardly EVER taken down by the first couple people that got their hands on him. People like to pretend like Barry Sanders never had a good offense, when anyone who was around then knows damn well that their QB, and WR's had VERY productive years. Detroit's offense was never their problem... their problem was their horrible defense. Barry didn't really make things any easier on them by breaking up the scheme of the play in the backfield, and getting himself dropped for a loss more times than anyone else in history, rather than just following the play and only picking up a few yards if that is what was there. It doesn't really help if you snap off an 80 yard run once a game, when you have forced the offense to go 3 and out 5 other times that game because you were getting stuffed while looking for that homerun.

What makes Daryl Johnson one of the greatest fullbacks to ever play? Emmitt's success? Exactly.I guess Emmitt had this same O-line in college as he ran all over teams.

Larry Allen wasn't on the Cowboys until 1994. They had already won 2 super bowls. I guess the defenders knew that he was coming, and played like he was already there. By the way... Stepnoski was gone after 1994 (returning in 1999), so I don't think that Stepnoski and Larry Allen came together to make up that great line for Emmitt too often during his prime.

I never said that he didn't have a great line. I am saying that Emmitt made the line look greater than they were, and Barry Sanders made his line look worse, do to their running styles. I already explained why, but you chose to ignore it... even though they are facts. You also chose to ignore the fact that Detroit's QB, and WR's during that time also put up big numbers... and Aikman never really put up huge numbers.... and used to get concussions on a regular basis while standing behind that great offensive line. I love how people just run with the notion that Detroit had this awful offensive line... when their entire offense was very productive. Just amazing. Nobody can seem to explain the high production of that offense behind that god awful line that everyone speaks of.

 
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The way that people downplay Emmitt Smith will always be hilarious to me.

Watch and learn... that isn't the offensive line breaking those tackles, and shaking defenders IN THE BACKFIELD... that is Emmitt Smith.

Now, for the plays where he seems to be running through a nice hole... guess what? That is what great running backs can do by simply following the scheme of the play. This is something that really set Emmitt Smith apart from someone like Barry Sanders. Barry, while a great pure runner, simply never had Emmitt's vision, and was never great at following the scheme of the play. That tends to make an offensive line look a lot worse than it is, when you aren't going where you are supposed to. Rather than trying to tap dance in the backfield, and looking for a homerun on every play, it is actually more productive for your team if you follow the play and pick up positive yards on every play. If you do this all of the time, you will also find that sometimes the entire blocking scheme works out perfectly and you are in a footrace to the endzone. Michael Irvin said it best, when he said that Barry Sanders was the most exciting running back that he had ever seen, when he watched him. However, Emmitt was the greatest running back he had ever seen. He said what people don't understand, is that Emmitt doesn't get as much credit as Barry, because Barry did things that looked impossible, because he made everything look so difficult to do. Emmitt was so great, that he made everything look easy. He would make great cuts, and shake people now and then... but he had such a great feel for the game, and ran with such force, that he could simply tilt his shoulder at an angle, or just make a slight move, and it would look like a defender was just sliding off of him. Emmitt Smith made his line look as great as they looked. The man was hardly EVER taken down by the first couple people that got their hands on him. People like to pretend like Barry Sanders never had a good offense, when anyone who was around then knows damn well that their QB, and WR's had VERY productive years. Detroit's offense was never their problem... their problem was their horrible defense. Barry didn't really make things any easier on them by breaking up the scheme of the play in the backfield, and getting himself dropped for a loss more times than anyone else in history, rather than just following the play and only picking up a few yards if that is what was there. It doesn't really help if you snap off an 80 yard run once a game, when you have forced the offense to go 3 and out 5 other times that game because you were getting stuffed while looking for that homerun.

How are your opinions on their runnings styles facts? The Dallas line looked better not because Emmitt made them look better, but because they were. Yes, this is my opinion, but it seems to be shared by many, including those who voted half of that Oline into the Hall of Fame. I never stated that Allen and Stepnoski played together. I said they were part of the core of that talented offensive line in the 90s and they were. Albeit at different times, but the fact remains that Dallas had 3 probowlers annually on that Oline in the 90s.

As for your assertion about the Lions QBs. Find me one person in the history of NFL GMs that would take Scott Mitchell or Rodney Peete over Troy Aikman and you have a point.

Just to indulge you a bit, I looked up the Detroit QB stats from the early 90s. (Thank you profootballreference)

In 1991 Detroit QBs averaged 185 Y/G and had a QB rating of 71.0 nothing to write home about, but somehow the Lions finished 12-4. The line only gave up 25 sacks that year, pretty impressive.

In 1992 196 Y/G QB rating: 73.4 The vaunted Detroit Oline gave up an astounding 59 sacks. record 5-11

In 1993... 183.9 Y/G QB rating: 74.1 Line gave up another 46 sacks. Detroit still finished 10-6 and won their division.

In 1994... 192.8 Y/G QB rating of 80.2 Would've been a lot worse, but Dave Kreig came in after Mitchell got hurt and played surprisingly well in the second half of the season. The Lions finished 9-7

In 1995... This is the year you're thinking of when talking about the vaunted Detroit passing offense. They were good in 1995. Herman Moore had 123 catches. A record at the time. Mitchell played well, averaging 281.9 Y/G with a rating of 92.9, this year was an anamoly by all accounts, but go ahead use it as the norm if you must.

In 1996... Mitchell comes back down to earth. 216 Y/G QB rating: 72.5

Interesting thing to note. Barry Sanders had 1500 yards in 1995 when the passing game was going off the charts for the Lions. Yet, in 1996 he still had 1500 yards despite the passing game dissappearing.

In 1997.... This is the year that Barry Sanders had his 2000 yard rushing season. 225 Y/G QB rating of 75.4

I could keep going on, but the reality is that despite your revisionist history, there was only one year where Detroit had a good passing offense. In all the rest, Detroit's passing O was below league average. They gave up more than average for league sacks all throughout the 90s. Their team defense was below average almost every year. Yet, they made the playoffs more often than not while Barry was on the team. What does it all mean? Do the stats show me that Barry was a better player than Emmitt? Yes, in a word. But, I don't need stats to know that. I saw them play, so quit revising history in order to make your point look better. Emmitt was a great back who ran behind a historically good offensive line. Barry was a once in a lifetime type back that ran behind a mediocre line.

 
Rev said:
Here's my criteria, but feel free to add more:-Solid, balanced offensive situation that will create long drives and good opportunities -Runner with good (not necessarily great) speed but tremendous vision and lateral quickness-Elite ability to hit holes and break tackles-Ideal football player's mentality (attitude, work ethic, etc.)-Nose for the endzoneGuys like DeAngelo and Forte top my list... (edit to ad MBIII as well)
DeAngelo fit the mold coming out of college and is finally looking like what I expected.
 
Borat said:
I don't know... who has the best offensive line and supporting talent? Who's the elite RB who will retire just short of the all time running record so this other guy can get it? Who will say ridiculous things in his career as a color guy once he retires?
:rolleyes: :obc:
 
How are your opinions on their runnings styles facts? The Dallas line looked better not because Emmitt made them look better, but because they were. Yes, this is my opinion, but it seems to be shared by many, including those who voted half of that Oline into the Hall of Fame.
Which of those linemen are in the HOF? Name one.Larry Allen will probably be the only one and he came in after they had already won 2 Super Bowls.
 
I wouldn't say Emmit was elite at breaking tackles either. If DL's and LB's can't plug the hole and meet you head on with their weight on the balls of their feet, most NFL RB's can break the resulting arm tackles or topple the defender backwards to gain yardage. Emmit did use his stiff arm to the face mask of defenders quite a bit to good effect.
:obc: You never watched him play then.

 
Avery said:
Rev said:
Here's my criteria, but feel free to add more:-Solid, balanced offensive situation that will create long drives and good opportunities -Runner with good (not necessarily great) speed but tremendous vision and lateral quickness-Elite ability to hit holes and break tackles-Ideal football player's mentality (attitude, work ethic, etc.)-Nose for the endzoneGuys like DeAngelo and Forte top my list... (edit to ad MBIII as well)
I think you forgot the most important criteria: A dominating offensive line that can make a good runner into Hall of Fame material.
:obc:
 
Seriously, give it up. That Cowboy offensive line was HUGE. No other way around it. They were all 300+ in a time when that was unheard of. Larry Allen has an argument as the best Olinemen to ever play. Emmitt Smith was a very good back that looked 10 times better because of his Oline. Give that line to Sanders, or Marcus Allen, or even Thurman Thomas and you'd see a record on the level with Jerry Rice's(as in it'll never be broken).
As much as I liked watching Barry play and it seems everyone likes to say this, I'm not so sure about it.Barry hit the holes well, but he also liked to dance too much. He'd break ankles, but he didn't power his way through the lines often. Emmit was a perfect match for that line, but Barry IMHO wouldn't have been "that much" better with it. Allen or Herschel Walker OTOH would have been phenomenal.

 
From a body type standpoint physically, and skillset I think Lynch compares well. He is physical for his size, doesn't have sprinter's speed but is faster than people think. He has a high td ratio for carries. Lynch doesn't catch as many balls as Emmitt did but Smith didn't really start have 40-50 catch season until 5 years in. From a team perspective Buffalo doesn't compare at all to Dallas.

 
Avery said:
Rev said:
Here's my criteria, but feel free to add more:

-Solid, balanced offensive situation that will create long drives and good opportunities

-Runner with good (not necessarily great) speed but tremendous vision and lateral quickness

-Elite ability to hit holes and break tackles

-Ideal football player's mentality (attitude, work ethic, etc.)

-Nose for the endzone

Guys like DeAngelo and Forte top my list... (edit to ad MBIII as well)
I think you forgot the most important criteria: A dominating offensive line that can make a good an average runner into Hall of Fame material.
Fixed.DeAngelo started getting a workload too late in his career, and splits time. Not a chance. Same thing applies to Michael Turner (who is better), Barber (who is not tough enough), Ryan Grant, Brandon Jacobs, so on and so forth.

Matt Forte, maybe if his line, and surrounding cast improve.

Portis? At this point in his career, he's proven he's tough. That OL seems to be improved this season.

LT - seems to be wearing down this year, but Emmitt had a bad season among his good ones.

Honestly, it's really really tough to predict longevity. Especially in the era of free agency, a good surrounding cast doesn't even last that long.

 
The way that people downplay Emmitt Smith will always be hilarious to me.

Watch and learn... that isn't the offensive line breaking those tackles, and shaking defenders IN THE BACKFIELD... that is Emmitt Smith.

Now, for the plays where he seems to be running through a nice hole... guess what? That is what great running backs can do by simply following the scheme of the play. This is something that really set Emmitt Smith apart from someone like Barry Sanders. Barry, while a great pure runner, simply never had Emmitt's vision, and was never great at following the scheme of the play. That tends to make an offensive line look a lot worse than it is, when you aren't going where you are supposed to. Rather than trying to tap dance in the backfield, and looking for a homerun on every play, it is actually more productive for your team if you follow the play and pick up positive yards on every play. If you do this all of the time, you will also find that sometimes the entire blocking scheme works out perfectly and you are in a footrace to the endzone. Michael Irvin said it best, when he said that Barry Sanders was the most exciting running back that he had ever seen, when he watched him. However, Emmitt was the greatest running back he had ever seen. He said what people don't understand, is that Emmitt doesn't get as much credit as Barry, because Barry did things that looked impossible, because he made everything look so difficult to do. Emmitt was so great, that he made everything look easy. He would make great cuts, and shake people now and then... but he had such a great feel for the game, and ran with such force, that he could simply tilt his shoulder at an angle, or just make a slight move, and it would look like a defender was just sliding off of him. Emmitt Smith made his line look as great as they looked. The man was hardly EVER taken down by the first couple people that got their hands on him. People like to pretend like Barry Sanders never had a good offense, when anyone who was around then knows damn well that their QB, and WR's had VERY productive years. Detroit's offense was never their problem... their problem was their horrible defense. Barry didn't really make things any easier on them by breaking up the scheme of the play in the backfield, and getting himself dropped for a loss more times than anyone else in history, rather than just following the play and only picking up a few yards if that is what was there. It doesn't really help if you snap off an 80 yard run once a game, when you have forced the offense to go 3 and out 5 other times that game because you were getting stuffed while looking for that homerun.

This video sums up everyting that I have stated about Barry Sanders. It also shows why Emmitt is a greater, and more productive running back than Barry. Let alone the fact that Emmitt was also a MUCH great pass protecter, and goaline, shortage back.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvNdTSWob84...feature=related

An absolutely great pure runner. However, not the kind of running back that can carry a team on his shoulders. After the game, his stats will look good when he finally broke off one or two long runs. However, the offense will have sputtered due to the fact that he was stuffed behind the line so many times while tap dancing, rather than just following the scheme of the play and hitting the hole... even if it meant only picking up a few positive yards.

Emmitt shows what a great running back can do, when following the correct scheme of the play. This video also shows some of his receiving and blocking talent.... as well as powering his way through holes, rather than just tap dancing for a loss. However, it also shows that he clearly had the pure running skills to be in the backfield of a broken running play, and shake everyone out of their shoes and take it the distance as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYo4NKVq8dY

 
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Avery said:
Rev said:
Here's my criteria, but feel free to add more:

-Solid, balanced offensive situation that will create long drives and good opportunities

-Runner with good (not necessarily great) speed but tremendous vision and lateral quickness

-Elite ability to hit holes and break tackles

-Ideal football player's mentality (attitude, work ethic, etc.)

-Nose for the endzone

Guys like DeAngelo and Forte top my list... (edit to ad MBIII as well)
I think you forgot the most important criteria: A dominating offensive line that can make a good runner into Hall of Fame material.
:lmao:
Again, my guidelines were:-Solid, balanced offensive situation that will create long drives and good opportunities

-Runner with good (not necessarily great) speed but tremendous vision and lateral quickness

-Elite ability to hit holes and break tackles

-Ideal football player's mentality (attitude, work ethic, etc.)

-Nose for the endzone

Smith's O line situation, whatever you make of it, would fit into the first bullet point above.

Also, I'd uphold the notion that a player can have a nose for the endzone. Some players, whether recievers or running backs, simply end up in the endzone more per touch than others, and they are rewarded by getting more opportunities in the redzone despite the fact that the team may have bigger, more bruising backs that could be used. It doesn't come down simply to size and power. It's a knack for seeing and hitting the right seam in the right way.

 
Anyone who seriously thinks Emmitt Smith was a better RB than Barry Sanders is probably... well, a Cowboys fan.

 
here we go. all these experts on Emmitt come out of the woodwork.

to all you who think Emmitt was not an elite back, you are wrong. he didnt have the "wow" factor that a lot of other guys do. thats why he gets knocked.

watch some old Emmitt runs. the guy was a stud, bottomline. now all you experts can keep saying it was all because of his line, but you're wrong. sorry.

thread over.

 
Anyone who seriously thinks Emmitt Smith was a better RB than Barry Sanders is probably... well, a Cowboys fan.
and anyone who thinks he was not an elite back is probably..., well a Cowboys hater.
:goodposting: I grew up a "Cowboys hater" and still despise Irvin and many of the others, but I grew to really like and respect Emmit. I don't think he's as good a complete back as Payton, OJ, Herschel and Brown, but it's too difficult to compare him to Barry. Their styles were just completely different. You couldn't trust Barry to get a yard (blame the OL?) but he'd break one off at a moment's notice. Emmit was more consistent, less home run threat. Kind of like Tony Gwynn vs. Mark McGwire. (FWIW, I'll take Gwynn)
 
Borat said:
Anyone who seriously thinks Emmitt Smith was a better RB than Barry Sanders is probably... well, a Cowboys fan.
Either that... or a person who knows that a greater running back knows that the important thing is to get positive yards.... and that a great running back can also be great in pass protection, and on goaline and short yardage.... and that a great running back, can actually follow the scheme of a play. In doing so... that running back just happens to be the leading all time rusher in history, with the most rushing touchdowns in history as well.... to go along with 3 super bowl wins, and a super bowl MVP.Let's run that against a guy who ended up being 3rd in rushing all time... great accomplishment. However, also lead all running backs in history with runs for negative yardage.... do to the fact that he wouldn't follow the play, and hit the hole... or allow the hole to develope. He tried to make his own holes by tap dancing in the backfield... which may have produced some great runs, and a great highlight reel... but WAY more times than he would break off a 70 yarder, he would stall his offense out on the field, and cost them games. It may not have been so hard on that offensive line, if Barry just followed the scheme of the play, and ran where he was supposed to. If you watch many of his big runs, it was when he actually did follow the play, and a huge hole just happened to develope for him when he broke through the hole that the line created. Amazing, isn't it?Now, where you have Emmitt who will always get your positive yardage, push forward, take what was there if need be. Emmitt could put the team on his shoulders, and carry them down the field picking up positive yardage... sometimes only gaining 3 yards isn't a bad thing. Barry on the other hand, when the team needed him, in the playoffs, is famous for being held to -1 yards in an entire game. Sorry, but the greatest running back of all time doesn't get held to -1 yards in an entire game, especially when his team needs him in the playoffs. I wonder how much better off his team could have been... if he actually followed the play and gained yardage on a more regular basis?
 
If I were trying to sell tickets, I would get Barry. If I wanted to win games, I would want a back like Emmitt.

I think Barry was twice the runner then Emmitt could ever dream of being. But I think Emmitt is twice the football player Barry could ever dream of being.

I'm pretty sure a lot of you never saw Emmitt play early in his career. All this talk about his non break away speed is amusing. I very rarely ever saw Emmitt get caught from behind, yet Barry always seemed to get dragged down before hitting pay dirt.

To add fuel to the fire, Emmitt only had a dominate line for about 6 years of his career. Around the time Moose retired, his line was pretty poor and they never found a blocker to replace Moose.

 
Emmit Smith "hater" here and even I realize how much hes overlooked. People dont give him nearly enough credit for being a truly once-in-a-generation-esque talent.

In particular, many people forget how dominant Emmit was at Florida. He burst on the scene his Freshmen year like a hurricane. Despite not starting the first two games, he reached 1000 yards faster than anyone in college history - in only seven games! And its not like he played for a powerhouse either - the Gators went 6-6, 7-5 and 7-5 during his three years in Gainesville. Anyone that saw him early in his career remembers just how much BETTER he was than any other player on the field. His vision, cuts and acceleration into the hole were peerless. Sure at the end of his career, he was more of a system runner but early on he was a truly unique and dominating talent.

And I agree with the OP that Deangelo Williams TODAY is a very nice example of what Emmit was early in his career. Almost exactly the same height/weight measurables (5'9" 217 pounds). While Deangelo is not a true burner (Jerious Norwood, Chris Johnson, etc) he still can break a long TD run at any time - just like Emmit. DW is Also very tough between the tackles and great strength despite being undersized.

 
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If I were trying to sell tickets, I would get Barry. If I wanted to win games, I would want a back like Emmitt.I think Barry was twice the runner then Emmitt could ever dream of being. But I think Emmitt is twice the football player Barry could ever dream of being. I'm pretty sure a lot of you never saw Emmitt play early in his career. All this talk about his non break away speed is amusing. I very rarely ever saw Emmitt get caught from behind, yet Barry always seemed to get dragged down before hitting pay dirt.To add fuel to the fire, Emmitt only had a dominate line for about 6 years of his career. Around the time Moose retired, his line was pretty poor and they never found a blocker to replace Moose.
:goodposting: Being a great running back isn't all about being the greatest runner. That is why this isn't track & field. Barry built a career that looked great for himself. Emmitt built a career that looked great for himself, and his team. Everyone else around Emmitt gets all of the credit for Emmitt's success. Yet, when people try to throw Aikman in there with the top QB's of all time, people use the excuse that he had Emmitt back there being keyed on by the defense, which is why he was so good. So basically... none of them can get credit for what they have done. The Cowboys really have a lot of haters out there. There is one thing that every hater defaults to though... "The Line". I bet Aikman wishes that amazing line made up of superhuman blockers would have prevented those concussions.
 
Other than debating about how good Emmitt really is, what is the point of this thread? To find the guy who is not an elite talent at RB who will produce at a HOF level?

 
I'm not going to wade into the Emmitt/Barry debate. It will never be settled.

I will throw in a little tidbit about Emmitt. It was late in Tiki's career when an interviewer asked who he tried to emulate. Tiki responded that one of the things he tried to do was follow Emmitt's use of the stiff-arm. Emmitt wasnt a bull with the arm, throwing people down like a modern day Barber. But Tiki talked about how Emmitt was really adept at "stiff-arming" a tackler's arms, thereby making it really tough to wrap up. This skill helped Emmitt (and Tiki) shed a lot of would-be tacklers.

It wasn't glamorous. It wasn't flashy like dime-cuts that make people lose their jocks. But it was damn effective. For both Emmitt and Tiki.

 
Other than debating about how good Emmitt really is, what is the point of this thread? To find the guy who is not an elite talent at RB who will produce at a HOF level?
:lmao:And I never liked Emmit. Just an inane comment.
 
Emmitt was an elite RB. No doubt about it. To claim otherwise is foolish.

That said, IMO Sanders was a better RB. He was a better runner, and he was also a more effective receiver, despite the common misconception that Emmitt was better. I believe both of those things both because there is a statistical basis for it and because I saw both of them play throughout their careers.

Emmitt was a better blocker. And, though Sanders was equally durable, Emmitt strikes me as having been the tougher player (e.g., playing a playoff game with a separated shoulder). But these things are not enough to elevate him above Sanders IMO. Running + receiving > blocking + toughness for a RB.

To say Barry was better does not have to imply Emmitt wasn't great. It seems some people get defensive over Emmitt because they think that.

Someone mentioned Walter Payton in the thread, and IMO he was definitely better than both Emmitt and Sanders. He and Jim Brown are the two best RBs of all time, and I don't necessarily concede that Brown was better. But that's a tangent that has been explored many times in other threads.

And let me say that I am not a fan or hater of the Cowboys, Lions, or Bears, though Walter Payton is one of my favorite players of all time.

 
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