The Nick Foles era (1 Viewer)

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Thought this was kind of interesting... here's the complete list of QBs since 1978 who've thrown TDs on at least 7.5% of their pass attempts who also completed more than 61% of their passes in a season (min 20 TDs to qualify):

QB	       Age	Year	TD%	Comp%Dan Marino	22	1984	8.5%	64.2%Joe Montana	31	1987	7.8%	66.8%Steve Young	32	1994	7.6%	70.3%Kurt Warner	28	1999	8.2%	65.1%Peyton Manning	28	2004	9.9%	67.6%Tom Brady	30	2007	8.7%	68.9%Ben Roethlisber	25	2007	7.9%	65.3%Aaron Rodgers	27	2011	9.0%	68.3%Peyton Manning	37	2013	8.3%	68.3%Nick Foles	24	2013	8.5%	64.0%

ETA: Until Foles does this again... maybe with a dip in the TD% and a bump in the Comp%... I don't think you can feel confident he belongs on this list. But it does put his 2013 season in perspective.

 

[cstu]

Here are the final numbers for 2nd year QB's. Not only did he have the highest YPA but he also had the lowest INT% (by far actually).

FWIW, some of those guys weren't technically "2nd year" players. Garcia played several years in the CFL, Warner played in the Arena league and NFL-Europe, O'Brien, Beuerlein and Charley Johnson were in their 3rd years, and Rypien was actually in his 4th year (did not play his first 2 years),

So it's even more impressive then?

 

[Englishteacher]

Thought this was kind of interesting... here's the complete list of QBs since 1978 who've thrown TDs on at least 7.5% of their pass attempts who also completed more than 61% of their passes in a season (min 20 TDs to qualify):

QB Age Year TD% Comp%Dan Marino 22 1984 8.5% 64.2%Joe Montana 31 1987 7.8% 66.8%Steve Young 32 1994 7.6% 70.3%Kurt Warner 28 1999 8.2% 65.1%Peyton Manning 28 2004 9.9% 67.6%Tom Brady 30 2007 8.7% 68.9%Ben Roethlisber 25 2007 7.9% 65.3%Aaron Rodgers 27 2011 9.0% 68.3%Peyton Manning 37 2013 8.3% 68.3%Nick Foles 24 2013 8.5% 64.0%ETA: Until Foles does this again... maybe with a dip in the TD% and a bump in the Comp%... I don't think you can feel confident he belongs on this list. But it does put his 2013 season in perspective.

 

[msudaisy26]

Thought this was kind of interesting... here's the complete list of QBs since 1978 who've thrown TDs on at least 7.5% of their pass attempts who also completed more than 61% of their passes in a season (min 20 TDs to qualify):

QB Age Year TD% Comp%Dan Marino 22 1984 8.5% 64.2%Joe Montana 31 1987 7.8% 66.8%Steve Young 32 1994 7.6% 70.3%Kurt Warner 28 1999 8.2% 65.1%Peyton Manning 28 2004 9.9% 67.6%Tom Brady 30 2007 8.7% 68.9%Ben Roethlisber 25 2007 7.9% 65.3%Aaron Rodgers 27 2011 9.0% 68.3%Peyton Manning 37 2013 8.3% 68.3%Nick Foles 24 2013 8.5% 64.0%ETA: Until Foles does this again... maybe with a dip in the TD% and a bump in the Comp%... I don't think you can feel confident he belongs on this list. But it does put his 2013 season in perspective.

You notice that only Peyton Manning is on this list more then once and even then it took him having 2 record breaking seasons to get on it. I think we should expect some type of a regression for Foles next season.

 

[JuniorNB]

That's like the fifth all-time best quarterback single season list I've seen Foles pop up on. Every time he's been surrounded by all time greats. It still seems the consensus opinion is that he was the one fluke to appear on them all. It's a fascinating thing

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

You notice that only Peyton Manning is on this list more then once and even then it took him having 2 record breaking seasons to get on it. I think we should expect some type of a regression for Foles next season.

Yeah... I had the same thought after I looked at it for awhile. So I went back and jiggered things and got this list using the same population (QB seasons since 1978 with at least 20 TDs). This is TD% + (Comp%-60%)

Peyton Manning 2004 17.5%Aaron Rodgers 2011 17.3%Drew Brees 2009 17.2%Joe Montana 1989 16.9%Peyton Manning 2013 16.6%Daunte Culpeppe 2004 16.3%Philip Rivers 2013 15.4%Kurt Warner 2001 15.3%Peyton Manning 2012 15.0%Chad Pennington 2002 14.7%Joe Montana 1987 14.6%Drew Brees 2013 14.6%Peyton Manning 2009 14.6%Brett Favre 2009 14.6%Aaron Rodgers 2012 14.3%Steve Young 1993 14.2%Carson Palmer 2005 14.1%Matt Ryan 2012 13.8%Kurt Warner 2000 13.8%Peyton Manning 2005 13.5%Kurt Warner 1999 13.3%Ben Roethlisber 2007 13.3%Tom Brady 2010 13.2%Drew Brees 2010 13.1%Matt Schaub 2009 12.9%Steve Young 1992 12.9%Dan Marino 1984 12.7%Nick Foles 2013 12.6%Philip Rivers 2008 12.4%Drew Brees 2004 12.3%Tony Romo 2011 12.2%Kurt Warner 2008 12.1%Peyton Manning 2003 12.1%Brett Favre 2003 12.0%Tom Brady 2011 12.0%Still a great list and a HOF list at the very top, but does expand the number of QBs who've done it to mix in some guys like Palmer, Culpepper, Pennington, Rivers, Schaub and Romo -- and Foles isn't near the top.If he appears on the list again next year I'm sold on him eventually turning into a truly elite QB. Not that many guys have had multiple seasons this good. But those 'other' guys are a pretty nice floor.

 

[ShaHBucks]

That's like the fifth all-time best quarterback single season list I've seen Foles pop up on. Every time he's been surrounded by all time greats. It still seems the consensus opinion is that he was the one fluke to appear on them all. It's a fascinating thing

I've been saying that since his rookie season. There is always a but/if. IF it was Andrew Luck, everyone would believe he was that good already which matches everyone perception since the draft. For his career, he has thrown for 35 TD/7 INT. Andrew Luck has started twice as many games in his career, and has thrown for 50 TD and 31 INTs. You won't even find someone to admit he could be/ has been better than Luck, outside of a few stat heads, let alone all-time greats. FWIW he finished with the 3rd highest passer efficiency rating of all time.

 

[Englishteacher]

You notice that only Peyton Manning is on this list more then once and even then it took him having 2 record breaking seasons to get on it. I think we should expect some type of a regression for Foles next season.

Yeah... I had the same thought after I looked at it for awhile. So I went back and jiggered things and got this list using the same population (QB seasons since 1978 with at least 20 TDs). This is TD% + (Comp%-60%)

Peyton Manning 2004 17.5%Aaron Rodgers 2011 17.3%Drew Brees 2009 17.2%Joe Montana 1989 16.9%Peyton Manning 2013 16.6%Daunte Culpeppe 2004 16.3%Philip Rivers 2013 15.4%Kurt Warner 2001 15.3%Peyton Manning 2012 15.0%Chad Pennington 2002 14.7%Joe Montana 1987 14.6%Drew Brees 2013 14.6%Peyton Manning 2009 14.6%Brett Favre 2009 14.6%Aaron Rodgers 2012 14.3%Steve Young 1993 14.2%Carson Palmer 2005 14.1%Matt Ryan 2012 13.8%Kurt Warner 2000 13.8%Peyton Manning 2005 13.5%Kurt Warner 1999 13.3%Ben Roethlisber 2007 13.3%Tom Brady 2010 13.2%Drew Brees 2010 13.1%Matt Schaub 2009 12.9%Steve Young 1992 12.9%Dan Marino 1984 12.7%Nick Foles 2013 12.6%Philip Rivers 2008 12.4%Drew Brees 2004 12.3%Tony Romo 2011 12.2%Kurt Warner 2008 12.1%Peyton Manning 2003 12.1%Brett Favre 2003 12.0%Tom Brady 2011 12.0%Still a great list and a HOF list at the very top, but does expand the number of QBs who've done it to mix in some guys like Palmer, Culpepper, Pennington, Rivers, Schaub and Romo -- and Foles isn't near the top.If he appears on the list again next year I'm sold on him eventually turning into a truly elite QB. Not that many guys have had multiple seasons this good. But those 'other' guys are a pretty nice floor.

High floors are nice. Especially with good carpet.

 

[Englishteacher]

Super Fine!!!

 

[Pickle Rody]

His TD pass to Cameron tonight was sweet......yeah, he can't ball at all.....

 

[Late225]

Only QB to not throw a pick today... sounds about right.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

High floors are nice. Especially with good carpet.

FWIW, here's the same list/metric including the best QB seasons (1978+ with 20+TDs) put up by guys who were 25 or younger:

Ben Roethlisber 2007 13.3%Dan Marino      1984 12.7%Nick Foles      2013 12.6%Drew Brees      2004 12.3%Russell Wilson  2012 10.7%Matthew Staffrd 2011 9.7%Daunte Culpeper 2000 9.6%Russell Wilson  2013 9.5%Aaron Rodgers   2008 8.8%Peyton Manning  2000 8.3%Brett Favre     1994 8.0%

Pretty nice group.

 

[dhockster]

Add Pro Bowl MVP to his list of accomplishments this year. Of course, didn't Matt Schaub win a pro bowl MVP?

 

[Terpman22]

Add Pro Bowl MVP to his list of accomplishments this year. Of course, didn't Matt Schaub win a pro bowl MVP?

He's "only" making 615k next year. Free truck should still be sweet at that salary. Good for him. Nice showing by the Eagles.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Add Pro Bowl MVP to his list of accomplishments this year. Of course, didn't Matt Schaub win a pro bowl MVP?

He's "only" making 615k next year. Free truck should still be sweet at that salary. Good for him. Nice showing by the Eagles.

Just another game where he outplayed Luck after being the last guy drafted.

 

[JayJay328]

Opponents and rank vs the pass

Den-30

NYG-21

TB-16

DAL-29

OAK-25

GB-20

WAS-26

ARZ-16

DET-24

MIN-30

CHI-14

DAL-29

 

[JayJay328]

Opponents and rank vs the pass

Den-30

NYG-21

TB-16

DAL-29

OAK-25

GB-20

WAS-26

ARZ-16

DET-24

MIN-30

CHI-14

DAL-29

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Opponents and rank vs the pass

Den-30

NYG-21

TB-16

DAL-29

OAK-25

GB-20

WAS-26

ARZ-16

DET-24

MIN-30

CHI-14

DAL-29

And half of those are on the schedule next year as well

 

[Amused to Death]

Opponents and rank vs the pass

Den-30

NYG-21

TB-16

DAL-29

OAK-25

GB-20

WAS-26

ARZ-16

DET-24

MIN-30

CHI-14

DAL-29

And half of those are on the schedule next year as well

Representing 10 of the Eagles' 16 games.

 

[LTsharks]

I was happy to see him get a national interview this morning on Mike & Mike. Then they started the interview with a question about Vick and spent what seemed like half their time on him.

 

[Pickle Rody]

NFLN interviewed him about an hour or so after that, after talking with McCoy. They didn't spend all their time discussing Vick and it was an interesting interview. Of course, he's there to pimp XBoxOne and their playoff contest. In addition, just after he sat down, Lynch's presser started so they broke away. Came back and he was still there to finish the interview.

 

[jesseasi]

His TD pass to Cameron tonight was sweet......yeah, he can't ball at all.....

Just looked up the throw - and a bomb the threw to Antonio Brown.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-pro-bowl/0ap2000000318201/Air-Jordan-Cameron-TD-catch

Watch the play to Cameron - best part of the play is when some girl in a bikini and cape jumps down from the seats and runs onto the field. I had to watch it three times to figure out wtf was going on.

 

[buck naked]

Opponents and rank vs the pass

Den-30

NYG-21

TB-16

DAL-29

OAK-25

GB-20

WAS-26

ARZ-16

DET-24

MIN-30

CHI-14

DAL-29

And half of those are on the schedule next year as well

Representing 10 of the Eagles' 16 games.

I'm confident that Philly does not play Dallas 4 times.

 

[Tool]

His TD pass to Cameron tonight was sweet......yeah, he can't ball at all.....

Just looked up the throw - and a bomb the threw to Antonio Brown.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-pro-bowl/0ap2000000318201/Air-Jordan-Cameron-TD-catch

Watch the play to Cameron - best part of the play is when some girl in a bikini and cape jumps down from the seats and runs onto the field. I had to watch it three times to figure out wtf was going on.

yeah wtf

 

[Amused to Death]

Opponents and rank vs the pass

Den-30

NYG-21

TB-16

DAL-29

OAK-25

GB-20

WAS-26

ARZ-16

DET-24

MIN-30

CHI-14

DAL-29

And half of those are on the schedule next year as well

Representing 10 of the Eagles' 16 games.

I'm confident that Philly does not play Dallas 4 times.

 

[JuniorNB]

Opponents and rank vs the pass

Den-30

NYG-21

TB-16

DAL-29

OAK-25

GB-20

WAS-26

ARZ-16

DET-24

MIN-30

CHI-14

DAL-29

A lot of those high numbers are because of the damage Foles did to them.

 

[JetMaxx]

Posted in the Eagles thread but this one deserves a bump. IMO Foles is the biggest winner of the offseason, both Eagles related and in FF. He is 16 starts into his career, has a 33/7 TD-INT ratio and they add Maclin, Sproles, and a 2yr Ertz while subtracting only Avant. If he can take even a small step forward in his growth, the projected numbers are difficult to fathom.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Posted in the Eagles thread but this one deserves a bump. IMO Foles is the biggest winner of the offseason, both Eagles related and in FF. He is 16 starts into his career, has a 33/7 TD-INT ratio and they add Maclin, Sproles, and a 2yr Ertz while subtracting only Avant. If he can take even a small step forward in his growth, the projected numbers are difficult to fathom.

The Eagles run the ball so much that it's hard to say. Foles will definitely need to remain a model of efficiency if Chip doesn't start to pass more.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Updated thoughts?

 

[fatness]

IMO Foles is the biggest winner of the offseason, both Eagles related and in FF. He is 16 starts into his career, has a 33/7 TD-INT ratio and they add Maclin, Sproles, and a 2yr Ertz while subtracting only Avant.

 

[Amused to Death]

IMO Foles is the biggest winner of the offseason, both Eagles related and in FF. He is 16 starts into his career, has a 33/7 TD-INT ratio and they add Maclin, Sproles, and a 2yr Ertz while subtracting only Avant.

Did you have something to add or did you just want to bump a 3 week old post? I thought you were a better poster than this but man, you've been in full troll mode today.

 

[fatness]

IMO Foles is the biggest winner of the offseason, both Eagles related and in FF. He is 16 starts into his career, has a 33/7 TD-INT ratio and they add Maclin, Sproles, and a 2yr Ertz while subtracting only Avant.

Did you have something to add or did you just want to bump a 3 week old post? I thought you were a better poster than this but man, you've been in full troll mode today.

The Eagles didn't only subtract Avant. They also subtracted Jackson. The post above me that bumped the topic didn't mention that. It's significant, so I mentioned it.

 

[ShaHBucks]

IMO Foles is the biggest winner of the offseason, both Eagles related and in FF. He is 16 starts into his career, has a 33/7 TD-INT ratio and they add Maclin, Sproles, and a 2yr Ertz while subtracting only Avant.

Did you have something to add or did you just want to bump a 3 week old post? I thought you were a better poster than this but man, you've been in full troll mode today.

The Eagles didn't only subtract Avant. They also subtracted Jackson. The post above me that bumped the topic didn't mention that. It's significant, so I mentioned it.

And the Redskins got a WR the Eagles could have easily retained in like 100 diffrent scenarios. They know DeSean better than any team in the league... and kicked him off the team. No wait, they cut him a check to leave actually. Then your fav team paid $16M for a WR the Eagles could have kept, but told to kick rocks. That feels good to you? We just abandoned our baby and left him on your front pourch while running the other away. You're taking it like it a gift from god.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Posted in the Eagles thread but this one deserves a bump. IMO Foles is the biggest winner of the offseason, both Eagles related and in FF. He is 16 starts into his career, has a 33/7 TD-INT ratio and they add Maclin, Sproles, and a 2yr Ertz while subtracting only Avant. If he can take even a small step forward in his growth, the projected numbers are difficult to fathom.

The Eagles run the ball so much that it's hard to say. Foles will definitely need to remain a model of efficiency if Chip doesn't start to pass more.

I agree. I think that's what's going to help Nick a lot this year. As long as he keeps making good decisions I think he continues to grow. From a fantasy perspective I actually think he's going to be undervalued with Jackson being cut.

 

[Faust]

DeSean Jackson fallout: Robert Griffin III vs. Nick Foles in 2014

 

[ShaHBucks]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000354220/article/six-takeaways-from-latest-edition-of-top-100

If you want to crown Nick Foles now, then crown him. But he is not who you think he is. Not yet anyhow.

After 11 starts, we know that Foles has great numbers. But he often doesn't play to his box score when you turn on Game Rewind. Foles benefited from fantastic pass protection and a quarterback-friendly scheme around him. He took advantage of his surroundings with good decision-making and a surprisingly accurate deep ball.

Foles was usually not the primary reason Philadelphia won games. One typical example: TheEagles beat a very good Arizona team despite Foles not being sharp. (Carson Palmer was mostly better that day.) Foles was a cog in the bigger Eagles offensive machine, which is a sign of good coaching. The Eagles tried not to ask him to do too much.

This isn't to diminish Foles' season. But even Kelly would privately admit Foles isn't a top 10 quarterback.

How consistent is that 2nd paragraph?

The Arizona game is one where Foles BETTER than his numbers.

How would he know?

 

[King of the Jungle]

I love this kids attitude and apparent work ethic. Many interviews that I have seen he puts team first, discusses his goal of getter better each day, and emphasizes his leadership role. He is in a great system and appears to have little competition. I am certainly rooting for him and although I don't expect him to continue his unrealistic pace....I do anticipate a good season from Foles if his weapons can stay healthy.

 

[Tool]

I love this kids attitude and apparent work ethic. Many interviews that I have seen he puts team first, discusses his goal of getter better each day, and emphasizes his leadership role. He is in a great system and appears to have little competition. I am certainly rooting for him and although I don't expect him to continue his unrealistic pace....I do anticipate a good season from Foles if his weapons can stay healthy.

Agreed. And let's not forget he hasn't played a full season.

 

[JetMaxx]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000354220/article/six-takeaways-from-latest-edition-of-top-100

If you want to crown Nick Foles now, then crown him. But he is not who you think he is. Not yet anyhow.

After 11 starts, we know that Foles has great numbers. But he often doesn't play to his box score when you turn on Game Rewind. Foles benefited from fantastic pass protection and a quarterback-friendly scheme around him. He took advantage of his surroundings with good decision-making and a surprisingly accurate deep ball.

Foles was usually not the primary reason Philadelphia won games. One typical example: TheEagles beat a very good Arizona team despite Foles not being sharp. (Carson Palmer was mostly better that day.) Foles was a cog in the bigger Eagles offensive machine, which is a sign of good coaching. The Eagles tried not to ask him to do too much.

This isn't to diminish Foles' season. But even Kelly would privately admit Foles isn't a top 10 quarterback.

How consistent is that 2nd paragraph?

The Arizona game is one where Foles BETTER than his numbers.

How would he know?

If he gets knocked for being outplayed by Palmer in a win, does he get credit for outplaying a future HOFer in his playoff loss?

 

[ShaHBucks]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000354220/article/six-takeaways-from-latest-edition-of-top-100

If you want to crown Nick Foles now, then crown him. But he is not who you think he is. Not yet anyhow.

After 11 starts, we know that Foles has great numbers. But he often doesn't play to his box score when you turn on Game Rewind. Foles benefited from fantastic pass protection and a quarterback-friendly scheme around him. He took advantage of his surroundings with good decision-making and a surprisingly accurate deep ball.

Foles was usually not the primary reason Philadelphia won games. One typical example: TheEagles beat a very good Arizona team despite Foles not being sharp. (Carson Palmer was mostly better that day.) Foles was a cog in the bigger Eagles offensive machine, which is a sign of good coaching. The Eagles tried not to ask him to do too much.

This isn't to diminish Foles' season. But even Kelly would privately admit Foles isn't a top 10 quarterback.

How consistent is that 2nd paragraph?

The Arizona game is one where Foles BETTER than his numbers.

How would he know?

If he gets knocked for being outplayed by Palmer in a win, does he get credit for outplaying a future HOFer in his playoff loss?

You know better than to ask that. No

 

[dhockster]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000354220/article/six-takeaways-from-latest-edition-of-top-100

If you want to crown Nick Foles now, then crown him. But he is not who you think he is. Not yet anyhow.

After 11 starts, we know that Foles has great numbers. But he often doesn't play to his box score when you turn on Game Rewind. Foles benefited from fantastic pass protection and a quarterback-friendly scheme around him. He took advantage of his surroundings with good decision-making and a surprisingly accurate deep ball.

Foles was usually not the primary reason Philadelphia won games. One typical example: TheEagles beat a very good Arizona team despite Foles not being sharp. (Carson Palmer was mostly better that day.) Foles was a cog in the bigger Eagles offensive machine, which is a sign of good coaching. The Eagles tried not to ask him to do too much.

This isn't to diminish Foles' season. But even Kelly would privately admit Foles isn't a top 10 quarterback.

How consistent is that 2nd paragraph?

The Arizona game is one where Foles BETTER than his numbers.

How would he know?

The thing I find ridiculus about the whole top 100 rankings is that it is the top 100 of 2014. Just 2014. If any other QB not named Foles had thrown for 27 TD's and 2 ints in 2014 and led his team to the playoffs, he probably would have been ranked in the top 20 if not the top 10. But because Foles hasn't proven himself yet, other than 2014, and wasn't a highly regard QB coming out of college, he is penalized. THEN DON'T CALL IT THE TOP 100 OF 2014!!!!!

 

[cstu]

I love this kids attitude and apparent work ethic. Many interviews that I have seen he puts team first, discusses his goal of getter better each day, and emphasizes his leadership role. He is in a great system and appears to have little competition. I am certainly rooting for him and although I don't expect him to continue his unrealistic pace....I do anticipate a good season from Foles if his weapons can stay healthy.

It's almost certain he won't repeat last year since it was arguably the greatest season by a 2nd year QB in history:

Marino has always had that title but they both had a TD percentage of 8.5, Foles' YPA was 9.12 to Marino's 9.01 and Foles' INT% was 0.6 to Marino's 3.0.

 

[ShaHBucks]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000354220/article/six-takeaways-from-latest-edition-of-top-100

If you want to crown Nick Foles now, then crown him. But he is not who you think he is. Not yet anyhow.

After 11 starts, we know that Foles has great numbers. But he often doesn't play to his box score when you turn on Game Rewind. Foles benefited from fantastic pass protection and a quarterback-friendly scheme around him. He took advantage of his surroundings with good decision-making and a surprisingly accurate deep ball.

Foles was usually not the primary reason Philadelphia won games. One typical example: TheEagles beat a very good Arizona team despite Foles not being sharp. (Carson Palmer was mostly better that day.) Foles was a cog in the bigger Eagles offensive machine, which is a sign of good coaching. The Eagles tried not to ask him to do too much.

This isn't to diminish Foles' season. But even Kelly would privately admit Foles isn't a top 10 quarterback.

How consistent is that 2nd paragraph?

The Arizona game is one where Foles BETTER than his numbers.

How would he know?

The thing I find ridiculus about the whole top 100 rankings is that it is the top 100 of 2014. Just 2014. If any other QB not named Foles had thrown for 27 TD's and 2 ints in 2014 and led his team to the playoffs, he probably would have been ranked in the top 20 if not the top 10. But because Foles hasn't proven himself yet, other than 2014, and wasn't a highly regard QB coming out of college, he is penalized. THEN DON'T CALL IT THE TOP 100 OF 2014!!!!!

Maclin's face was priceless. It looks like he paid for Vick's bus ticket to NY or something.

 

[Faust]

NFL Quarterback Research: 1978-2013, Nick Foles in Proper Context

 

[cstu]

NFL Quarterback Research: 1978-2013, Nick Foles in Proper Context

The big knock on Foles in that article was his sack percentage so I looked for 2nd year QB's with a similar percentage and found this:

NAME POS YR AGE EXP G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT FANT PT1 Nick Foles qb 2013 24 2 13 203 317 2891 9.12 27 2 291.12 Roethlisberger qb 2005 23 2 13 168 268 2385 8.90 17 9 203.25 Russell Wilson qb 2013 25 2 16 257 407 3357 8.25 26 9 322.8Ben has sack% of 9.2 and 7.9 his first two years, Foles had 7.0 and 8.1, and Russell had 7.7 and 9.8. All of them do a little bit of running but aren't what I'd call running QB's.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

NFL Quarterback Research: 1978-2013, Nick Foles in Proper Context

The big knock on Foles in that article was his sack percentage so I looked for 2nd year QB's with a similar percentage and found this:

NAME POS YR AGE EXP G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT FANT PT1 Nick Foles qb 2013 24 2 13 203 317 2891 9.12 27 2 291.12 Roethlisberger qb 2005 23 2 13 168 268 2385 8.90 17 9 203.25 Russell Wilson qb 2013 25 2 16 257 407 3357 8.25 26 9 322.8Ben has sack% of 9.2 and 7.9 his first two years, Foles had 7.0 and 8.1, and Russell had 7.7 and 9.8. All of them do a little bit of running but aren't what I'd call running QB's.

Adjusted for the defenses they played Roeth's and Foles' sack rates are more or less identical for the first two years.

But yes, they're similar players. Which is why Roethlisberger is listed as one of the best three or four comps for Foles.

 

[cstu]

NFL Quarterback Research: 1978-2013, Nick Foles in Proper Context

The big knock on Foles in that article was his sack percentage so I looked for 2nd year QB's with a similar percentage and found this:

NAME POS YR AGE EXP G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT FANT PT1 Nick Foles qb 2013 24 2 13 203 317 2891 9.12 27 2 291.12 Roethlisberger qb 2005 23 2 13 168 268 2385 8.90 17 9 203.25 Russell Wilson qb 2013 25 2 16 257 407 3357 8.25 26 9 322.8Ben has sack% of 9.2 and 7.9 his first two years, Foles had 7.0 and 8.1, and Russell had 7.7 and 9.8. All of them do a little bit of running but aren't what I'd call running QB's.

Adjusted for the defenses they played Roeth's and Foles' sack rates are more or less identical for the first two years.

But yes, they're similar players. Which is why Roethlisberger is listed as one of the best three or four comps for Foles.

Then I don't know how anyone can be down on Foles. The one thing that always held Ben back was his conservative offense and Foles does not have that problem.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

NFL Quarterback Research: 1978-2013, Nick Foles in Proper Context

Ben has sack% of 9.2 and 7.9 his first two years, Foles had 7.0 and 8.1, and Russell had 7.7 and 9.8. All of them do a little bit of running but aren't what I'd call running QB's.

Adjusted for the defenses they played Roeth's and Foles' sack rates are more or less identical for the first two years.

But yes, they're similar players. Which is why Roethlisberger is listed as one of the best three or four comps for Foles.

Then I don't know how anyone can be down on Foles. The one thing that always held Ben back was his conservative offense and Foles does not have that problem.

I can only speak for myself, but for me the question was whether or not Foles was the next Brady type guy. My take now is that he's a pretty good QB in a great system, but not someone who's going to be a fixture in the top-5 for the next ten years. I expect a bunch of QB1 and high-end QB2 type seasons though.

 

[cstu]

NFL Quarterback Research: 1978-2013, Nick Foles in Proper Context

Ben has sack% of 9.2 and 7.9 his first two years, Foles had 7.0 and 8.1, and Russell had 7.7 and 9.8. All of them do a little bit of running but aren't what I'd call running QB's.

Adjusted for the defenses they played Roeth's and Foles' sack rates are more or less identical for the first two years.

But yes, they're similar players. Which is why Roethlisberger is listed as one of the best three or four comps for Foles.

Then I don't know how anyone can be down on Foles. The one thing that always held Ben back was his conservative offense and Foles does not have that problem.

I can only speak for myself, but for me the question was whether or not Foles was the next Brady type guy. My take now is that he's a pretty good QB in a great system, but not someone who's going to be a fixture in the top-5 for the next ten years. I expect a bunch of QB1 and high-end QB2 type seasons though.

Who do you expect to be a fixture in the top 5 for the next ten years? To me there's Rodgers, Luck, and Cam (if he can stay healthy). Stafford would be a shoe in except for his inconsistency. I think Foles has as good of a chance at putting up top 5 numbers as anyone considering he's in a great system to do it.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Who do you expect to be a fixture in the top 5 for the next ten years? To me there's Rodgers, Luck, and Cam (if he can stay healthy). Stafford would be a shoe in except for his inconsistency. I think Foles has as good of a chance at putting up top 5 numbers as anyone considering he's in a great system to do it.

Yeah... Rodgers and no one else for me once the older guys are gone. It'll be more fluid than it has been. If Luck, Griffin and Cam stay healthy they'll be in the mix, but I wouldn't pay for them. I'd rather hang onto Foles and hope to draft another good one since QBs can be had cheap in rookie drafts.