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The Nick Foles era (1 Viewer)

Rotoworld:

Nick Foles completed 24-of-37 passes for 207 yards with two touchdowns, one interception and one lost fumble in Sunday's Week 5 win over the Rams.

Foles was not sharp yet again, often throwing off his back foot and turning the ball over for the eighth time in five games (he had four all of last season). Yet the Eagles are 4-1 and Foles is on pace to throw for 4,416 yards and 25 touchdowns, a reminder of just how dominant and explosive this up-tempo Chip Kelly scheme is. Despite plenty of warts, Foles can be fired up as a mid-range QB1 against the Giants in Week 6.

Oct 6 - 9:01 AM
Rotoworld has never liked Foles, so they quite obviously are just trying save face here in giving all the credit the Chip Kelly and his system. I just don't remember 'the system' working so well with Michael Vick as quarterback.
eh, it worked pretty well. for his 4 healthy games he was at 1080, 5 tds, 2 ints, and 228 and 2 on the ground. prorates to 4300, 20 tds, 8 ints with ~900 and 8 rushing.

 
To me there seems to be a general media bias against Foles. I don't think the sky is falling at all and the guy will continue to prove himself a quality starter. When 3-4 of 5 o-linemen are not in there it's going to effect the whole backfield.

 
Demian said:
To me there seems to be a general media bias against Foles. I don't think the sky is falling at all and the guy will continue to prove himself a quality starter. When 3-4 of 5 o-linemen are not in there it's going to effect the whole backfield.
I agree. He was awful against San Fran, but the entire offense was as well. Made some mistakes against St. Louis, but fantasy wise it was still an average day. First three weeks he was absolute fire. I'm not sure what the issue is people have with Foles. This is his first full year as a starter, and people scrutinize every little thing he does wrong.

 
Demian said:
To me there seems to be a general media bias against Foles. I don't think the sky is falling at all and the guy will continue to prove himself a quality starter. When 3-4 of 5 o-linemen are not in there it's going to effect the whole backfield.
I agree. He was awful against San Fran, but the entire offense was as well. Made some mistakes against St. Louis, but fantasy wise it was still an average day. First three weeks he was absolute fire. I'm not sure what the issue is people have with Foles. This is his first full year as a starter, and people scrutinize every little thing he does wrong.
I don't think we can underestimate the effect the O-line injuries and resulting weak running game has directly had on Foles. Kelly's offense is run-heavy, obviously, and last year with the line healthy all 16 games the Eagles ran it more than anyone and w/a great YPC.

This year, with All Pro G Mathis and C Kelce (and the first 4 games RT Johnson) out the running game has been generally ineffective. It's changed the down/distance situations and thus the playcalling on offense. It's also changed how defenses play the Eagles.

Yes, Foles has been inaccurate. He's left lots of plays on the field and made mistakes. He's also been tough and clutch IMO. If the running game gets fixed with the return of Mathis, Kelce et al, I think we see a 2013-esque Foles coming down the stretch.

Here's a little data to support my hypothesis:

With RT Lane Johnson back in the lineup, Philadelphia tied a season high with 145 rushing yards v STL.

Nick Foles was 9-of-12 for 111 yards and a touchdown on play-action passes v. STL.

He's a better QB with a running game b/c of a) playcalling opens up more with better down and distance and b) Defenses reaction to the run game provides better opportunities.

He's still on pace for 4400/26, and his team is 4-1. Wait until the offense is healthy and clicking.

 
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Demian said:
To me there seems to be a general media bias against Foles. I don't think the sky is falling at all and the guy will continue to prove himself a quality starter. When 3-4 of 5 o-linemen are not in there it's going to effect the whole backfield.
I agree. He was awful against San Fran, but the entire offense was as well. Made some mistakes against St. Louis, but fantasy wise it was still an average day. First three weeks he was absolute fire. I'm not sure what the issue is people have with Foles. This is his first full year as a starter, and people scrutinize every little thing he does wrong.
I don't think we can underestimate the effect the O-line injuries and resulting weak running game has directly had on Foles. Kelly's offense is run-heavy, obviously, and last year with the line healthy all 16 games the Eagles ran it more than anyone and w/a great YPC.

This year, with All Pro G Mathis and C Kelce (and the first 4 games RT Johnson) out the running game has been generally ineffective. It's changed the down/distance situations and thus the playcalling on offense. It's also changed how defenses play the Eagles.

Yes, Foles has been inaccurate. He's left lots of plays on the field and made mistakes. He's also been tough and clutch IMO. If the running game gets fixed with the return of Mathis, Kelce et al, I think we see a 2013-esque Foles coming down the stretch.

Here's a little data to support my hypothesis:

With RT Lane Johnson back in the lineup, Philadelphia tied a season high with 145 rushing yards v STL. Effect on Foles andthe passing game? Playaction, a staple of Kelly's offense, opened things up for Foles.

From ESPN: "Nick Foles was 9-of-12 for 111 yards and a touchdown on play-action passes v. STL."

He's a better QB with a running game b/c of a) playcalling opens up more with better down and distance and b) Defenses reaction to the run game provides better opportunities.

He's still on pace for 4400/26, and his team is 4-1. Wait until the offense is healthy and clicking.
Awesome post, thanks for the info. Didn't realize he was that good on play action this past week.

 
Demian said:
To me there seems to be a general media bias against Foles. I don't think the sky is falling at all and the guy will continue to prove himself a quality starter. When 3-4 of 5 o-linemen are not in there it's going to effect the whole backfield.
I agree. He was awful against San Fran, but the entire offense was as well. Made some mistakes against St. Louis, but fantasy wise it was still an average day. First three weeks he was absolute fire. I'm not sure what the issue is people have with Foles. This is his first full year as a starter, and people scrutinize every little thing he does wrong.
I think his out of this world numbers last year are hurting his perception this year, even though they should no longer be relevant. All I kept hearing this offseason is, "expect a regression from Foles, no way he keeps up last years pace." Well no kidding! No one will ever have those TD numbers with only a few picks. He is what most people thought he would be - a top 15 fantasy QB in a good fantasy offense. I had assumed 28-32 TD's from him this year and barring injury he should have no problem reaching that.

 
Demian said:
To me there seems to be a general media bias against Foles. I don't think the sky is falling at all and the guy will continue to prove himself a quality starter. When 3-4 of 5 o-linemen are not in there it's going to effect the whole backfield.
I agree. He was awful against San Fran, but the entire offense was as well. Made some mistakes against St. Louis, but fantasy wise it was still an average day. First three weeks he was absolute fire. I'm not sure what the issue is people have with Foles. This is his first full year as a starter, and people scrutinize every little thing he does wrong.
I think his out of this world numbers last year are hurting his perception this year, even though they should no longer be relevant. All I kept hearing this offseason is, "expect a regression from Foles, no way he keeps up last years pace." Well no kidding! No one will ever have those TD numbers with only a few picks. He is what most people thought he would be - a top 15 fantasy QB in a good fantasy offense. I had assumed 28-32 TD's from him this year and barring injury he should have no problem reaching that.
Exactly. i think every analysis of Foles before the year had that point about not keeping that int pace which i found pretty dumb. Also, let's not forget he's started the equivalent of 1 full season.

 
To me there seems to be a general media bias against Foles. I don't think the sky is falling at all and the guy will continue to prove himself a quality starter. When 3-4 of 5 o-linemen are not in there it's going to effect the whole backfield.
I agree. He was awful against San Fran, but the entire offense was as well. Made some mistakes against St. Louis, but fantasy wise it was still an average day. First three weeks he was absolute fire. I'm not sure what the issue is people have with Foles. This is his first full year as a starter, and people scrutinize every little thing he does wrong.
I don't think we can underestimate the effect the O-line injuries and resulting weak running game has directly had on Foles. Kelly's offense is run-heavy, obviously, and last year with the line healthy all 16 games the Eagles ran it more than anyone and w/a great YPC.

This year, with All Pro G Mathis and C Kelce (and the first 4 games RT Johnson) out the running game has been generally ineffective. It's changed the down/distance situations and thus the playcalling on offense. It's also changed how defenses play the Eagles.

Yes, Foles has been inaccurate. He's left lots of plays on the field and made mistakes. He's also been tough and clutch IMO. If the running game gets fixed with the return of Mathis, Kelce et al, I think we see a 2013-esque Foles coming down the stretch.

Here's a little data to support my hypothesis:

With RT Lane Johnson back in the lineup, Philadelphia tied a season high with 145 rushing yards v STL.

Nick Foles was 9-of-12 for 111 yards and a touchdown on play-action passes v. STL.

He's a better QB with a running game b/c of a) playcalling opens up more with better down and distance and b) Defenses reaction to the run game provides better opportunities.

He's still on pace for 4400/26, and his team is 4-1. Wait until the offense is healthy and clicking.
As far as Fantasy goes (and I think that's the main focus in this thread), you are correct about the above, and Foles will still end up as a great Fantasy play (barring injury) for the rest of the year as well. As far as the Eagles performance, it all hinges on what they can do to make up for the issues on the offensive line. Foles HAS GOT TO make defenses pay for the way they're leaving large gaps in the zones to focus on 'stuffing the box.' Right now, he is not doing that. He is not making good reads on the run plays where he has the option to throw. A LOT of those have receivers wide open and right now, Foles is not seeing them.

Drawing from an article posted elsewhere (credit: Lance Zierlein), he hit the nail right on the head:

"The biggest issue of all with Foles is the one that everyone expected to be an issue last year - he won't pull the ball and run it when he should on zone read plays. Teams are playing man to man outside on the Eagles WRs because there is no DeSean Jackson to terrorize the safeties anymore. With the extra safety in the box and with a below average offensive line in front of him currently, there is very little room for McCoy to run.

Defenders on the perimeter are crashing down hard on the backside paying very little attention to Foles. At some point, if the Eagles want to get their offense back on track, Foles is going to have to start making defenses pay by keeping the ball and gaining chunks of yards in the massive space that is sometimes available to him on zone reads. The other thing he'll have to do is make secondaries respect his ability to hit them for big plays down the field."

 
To me there seems to be a general media bias against Foles. I don't think the sky is falling at all and the guy will continue to prove himself a quality starter. When 3-4 of 5 o-linemen are not in there it's going to effect the whole backfield.
I agree. He was awful against San Fran, but the entire offense was as well. Made some mistakes against St. Louis, but fantasy wise it was still an average day. First three weeks he was absolute fire. I'm not sure what the issue is people have with Foles. This is his first full year as a starter, and people scrutinize every little thing he does wrong.
I don't think we can underestimate the effect the O-line injuries and resulting weak running game has directly had on Foles. Kelly's offense is run-heavy, obviously, and last year with the line healthy all 16 games the Eagles ran it more than anyone and w/a great YPC.

This year, with All Pro G Mathis and C Kelce (and the first 4 games RT Johnson) out the running game has been generally ineffective. It's changed the down/distance situations and thus the playcalling on offense. It's also changed how defenses play the Eagles.

Yes, Foles has been inaccurate. He's left lots of plays on the field and made mistakes. He's also been tough and clutch IMO. If the running game gets fixed with the return of Mathis, Kelce et al, I think we see a 2013-esque Foles coming down the stretch.

Here's a little data to support my hypothesis:

With RT Lane Johnson back in the lineup, Philadelphia tied a season high with 145 rushing yards v STL.

Nick Foles was 9-of-12 for 111 yards and a touchdown on play-action passes v. STL.

He's a better QB with a running game b/c of a) playcalling opens up more with better down and distance and b) Defenses reaction to the run game provides better opportunities.

He's still on pace for 4400/26, and his team is 4-1. Wait until the offense is healthy and clicking.
As far as Fantasy goes (and I think that's the main focus in this thread), you are correct about the above, and Foles will still end up as a great Fantasy play (barring injury) for the rest of the year as well. As far as the Eagles performance, it all hinges on what they can do to make up for the issues on the offensive line. Foles HAS GOT TO make defenses pay for the way they're leaving large gaps in the zones to focus on 'stuffing the box.' Right now, he is not doing that. He is not making good reads on the run plays where he has the option to throw. A LOT of those have receivers wide open and right now, Foles is not seeing them.

Drawing from an article posted elsewhere (credit: Lance Zierlein), he hit the nail right on the head:

"The biggest issue of all with Foles is the one that everyone expected to be an issue last year - he won't pull the ball and run it when he should on zone read plays. Teams are playing man to man outside on the Eagles WRs because there is no DeSean Jackson to terrorize the safeties anymore. With the extra safety in the box and with a below average offensive line in front of him currently, there is very little room for McCoy to run.

Defenders on the perimeter are crashing down hard on the backside paying very little attention to Foles. At some point, if the Eagles want to get their offense back on track, Foles is going to have to start making defenses pay by keeping the ball and gaining chunks of yards in the massive space that is sometimes available to him on zone reads. The other thing he'll have to do is make secondaries respect his ability to hit them for big plays down the field."
In Chip's presser from Monday he said these are not zone read calls--They're straight handoffs. There's no read involved.

 
Rotoworld:

Nick Foles completed 21-of-34 passes for 248 yards, two touchdowns, and two interceptions in Sunday night's Week 6 shutout of the Giants.

Foles led the Eagles to four scoring drives in the first half, but was asked to protect the lead the rest of the game. He made a nice anticipation throw to Zach Ertz in the corner of the end-zone on his first touchdown, and later hit James Casey on a play-action from 26 yards out. Foles made bad reads on both of his interceptions, and has 11 turnovers over the first six games. He'll have a favorable matchup against the Cardinals when the Eagles come out of their bye in Week 8.

Oct 12 - 11:49 PM
 
putting up good #'s but two more int's in concerning.
Seeing too much interior pressure. He just isn't good when he can't get his feet under him properly and he's backpedaling away from interior pressure far too often.

 
Needs to be more brave in the pocket, at times he back peddles too fast and even unnecessarily at times. There's times where he can step up and take a hit to make a play or even just avoid a hit and bad pass entirely. I'm not jumping off of the bandwagon as an Eagles fan.

 
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He's been ok for me in a 2QB league behind Rodgers but everytime I watch him play I don't like it. I'm looking to move him in a redraft league but no one will bite.

 
His fantasy stats are awesome so I'm not sure why people have a problem with him there.

There's a lot not to like. He's got happy feet. He's throwing way more passes than he was last year. The offensive line isn't nearly as good due to injury. However, Foles is still smart and can still make the throws.

The one thing his off season they emphasized was taking less sacks. He's the least sacked qb through 8 weeks. However, I think the coaches may have messed with his natural instinct in doing this. Last year he was very careful with the ball and would take a sack. Hence only 2 ints. This year few sacks but more turnovers.

So he needs to get his head straight which I have confidence he can do. This is about the point last season he went on a tear and they're already 5-2. So let's see what he can do before we write him off as a bust.

 
His fantasy stats are awesome so I'm not sure why people have a problem with him there.

There's a lot not to like. He's got happy feet. He's throwing way more passes than he was last year. The offensive line isn't nearly as good due to injury. However, Foles is still smart and can still make the throws.

The one thing his off season they emphasized was taking less sacks. He's the least sacked qb through 8 weeks. However, I think the coaches may have messed with his natural instinct in doing this. Last year he was very careful with the ball and would take a sack. Hence only 2 ints. This year few sacks but more turnovers.

So he needs to get his head straight which I have confidence he can do. This is about the point last season he went on a tear and they're already 5-2. So let's see what he can do before we write him off as a bust.
Awesome? Not sure about your league but in mine he was the 9th QB selected and is currently #18 in PPG. That is not a very good ROI.

 
His fantasy stats are awesome so I'm not sure why people have a problem with him there.

There's a lot not to like. He's got happy feet. He's throwing way more passes than he was last year. The offensive line isn't nearly as good due to injury. However, Foles is still smart and can still make the throws.

The one thing his off season they emphasized was taking less sacks. He's the least sacked qb through 8 weeks. However, I think the coaches may have messed with his natural instinct in doing this. Last year he was very careful with the ball and would take a sack. Hence only 2 ints. This year few sacks but more turnovers.

So he needs to get his head straight which I have confidence he can do. This is about the point last season he went on a tear and they're already 5-2. So let's see what he can do before we write him off as a bust.
Awesome? Not sure about your league but in mine he was the 9th QB selected and is currently #18 in PPG. That is not a very good ROI.
Currently ranked 10th in ppg in mine.

 
His fantasy stats are awesome so I'm not sure why people have a problem with him there.

There's a lot not to like. He's got happy feet. He's throwing way more passes than he was last year. The offensive line isn't nearly as good due to injury. However, Foles is still smart and can still make the throws.

The one thing his off season they emphasized was taking less sacks. He's the least sacked qb through 8 weeks. However, I think the coaches may have messed with his natural instinct in doing this. Last year he was very careful with the ball and would take a sack. Hence only 2 ints. This year few sacks but more turnovers.

So he needs to get his head straight which I have confidence he can do. This is about the point last season he went on a tear and they're already 5-2. So let's see what he can do before we write him off as a bust.
Awesome? Not sure about your league but in mine he was the 9th QB selected and is currently #18 in PPG. That is not a very good ROI.
Currently ranked 10th in ppg in mine.
And he was drafted...?

 
His fantasy stats are awesome so I'm not sure why people have a problem with him there.

There's a lot not to like. He's got happy feet. He's throwing way more passes than he was last year. The offensive line isn't nearly as good due to injury. However, Foles is still smart and can still make the throws.

The one thing his off season they emphasized was taking less sacks. He's the least sacked qb through 8 weeks. However, I think the coaches may have messed with his natural instinct in doing this. Last year he was very careful with the ball and would take a sack. Hence only 2 ints. This year few sacks but more turnovers.

So he needs to get his head straight which I have confidence he can do. This is about the point last season he went on a tear and they're already 5-2. So let's see what he can do before we write him off as a bust.
Awesome? Not sure about your league but in mine he was the 9th QB selected and is currently #18 in PPG. That is not a very good ROI.
Currently ranked 10th in ppg in mine.
And he was drafted...?
I kept him for a 12th rd pick.

 
Foles seems like a guy on the cusp of having his explosion game. He's played just good enough to stay in as my starter, but I can't say I am not a little disappointed in his play thus far and I selected him as the 12th QB off the board. I expected him to get just below the top6 tier or maybe the tail end of it so was happy with the pick where I got him. I feel like a lot of the cheapo TDs have not come this year where he dumps it off to McCoy for a screen or shovel pass with large RAC TDs. I still think those might come. He has also been a little off on the deep balls to Maclin where last year Jackson was taking those to the house more often.

 
Do you remember if it was Rodgers throwing shoulder?
It was his non throwing shoulder. If it is indeed a broken collarbone you won't see Foles anymore this fantasy season.

 
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If the Eagles let Foles go it will be akin to what the Chargers did with Brees.
The situations aren't comparable at all. With Brees, you had someone who started very slowly, going 10-17 in his first two years as a starter, with < 60% completions and more INTs than TDs. Then in his third year, the light came on and he went 11-4 with great stats. But his earlier suckage had caused them to use a high draft pick on Philip Rivers, and they didn't believe Brees' one good season was indicative of him being more of a franchise QB than Rivers. They were wrong, but the call was an understandable one for them to make (especially considering their GM was an egomaniac who couldn't possibly accept that he was wrong).

Foles, on the other hand, had a great second year, but in his third year has regressed significantly in every passing statistic. He's the 21st ranked fantasy QB, and most of his rate stats are around that level as well (except INTs where he's second only to Bortles). So Philly has real reason to question whether Foles' one good season is indicative of him being a franchise QB.

 
If the Eagles let Foles go it will be akin to what the Chargers did with Brees.
The situations aren't comparable at all. With Brees, you had someone who started very slowly, going 10-17 in his first two years as a starter, with < 60% completions and more INTs than TDs. Then in his third year, the light came on and he went 11-4 with great stats. But his earlier suckage had caused them to use a high draft pick on Philip Rivers, and they didn't believe Brees' one good season was indicative of him being more of a franchise QB than Rivers. They were wrong, but the call was an understandable one for them to make (especially considering their GM was an egomaniac who couldn't possibly accept that he was wrong).

Foles, on the other hand, had a great second year, but in his third year has regressed significantly in every passing statistic. He's the 21st ranked fantasy QB, and most of his rate stats are around that level as well (except INTs where he's second only to Bortles). So Philly has real reason to question whether Foles' one good season is indicative of him being a franchise QB.
I wasn't comparing their situations, the Chargers had very good reasons to let Brees go. Foles has regressed but he's also had an OL shambles. I think he's better QB than his numbers this year indicate. Maybe he'll never be a great QB but even consistently good QB's are tough to find.

 
If the Eagles let Foles go it will be akin to what the Chargers did with Brees.
The situations aren't comparable at all. With Brees, you had someone who started very slowly, going 10-17 in his first two years as a starter, with < 60% completions and more INTs than TDs. Then in his third year, the light came on and he went 11-4 with great stats. But his earlier suckage had caused them to use a high draft pick on Philip Rivers, and they didn't believe Brees' one good season was indicative of him being more of a franchise QB than Rivers. They were wrong, but the call was an understandable one for them to make (especially considering their GM was an egomaniac who couldn't possibly accept that he was wrong).

Foles, on the other hand, had a great second year, but in his third year has regressed significantly in every passing statistic. He's the 21st ranked fantasy QB, and most of his rate stats are around that level as well (except INTs where he's second only to Bortles). So Philly has real reason to question whether Foles' one good season is indicative of him being a franchise QB.
Let him walk and watch teams line up hoping he's the next Brees. Eagles better hope they're right if they do. I don't think they let him walk. He's still under contract for next year. If Sanchez doesn't just dazzle with his rehearsal then I don't see the Eagles paying to keep him for next year let alone start him in the playoffs.

 
The Newark Star-Ledger reports members in the Eagles organization, including GM Howie Roseman, had "soured" on Nick Foles even before he broke his collarbone in Week 9.
"I think Howie is looking at quarterbacks," a league source told NJ.com. "He's kind of soured on Foles, and I don't think he's alone. The organization isn't sold that he's the guy going forward. Let's just say the way things were going, he wasn't going to get a contract extension that's for sure." Foles is eligible for an extension in the offseason. After posting a ridiculous 27:2 TD:INT ratio across 13 games and 10 starts last season, Foles took a step back before getting hurt. He's tossed the second-most interceptions (10) behind only Blake Bortles and is averaging a weak 6.9 YPA. We're not sold on Foles being the quarterback of the future anywhere, let alone Philadelphia. Andy Reid and Marty Mornhinweg drafted Foles.
 

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