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***The Official 2009 Oakland Raiders*** (1 Viewer)
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Come on boys! Would love to see an upset to start the season off!
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On the bright side, it was the first time in years we've looked decent in primetime.
1. It's not an official thread unless you have asterisks around the thread title. 
2. Jamarcus Russell is a bust. The guy is terrible and will never be an NFL quarterback.
3. The rest of the team seems like it's coming around nicely.
4. The Raiders have been playing that same useless prevent defense for 25 years and it pisses me off no end.
2. Jamarcus Russell is a bust. The guy is terrible and will never be an NFL quarterback.
3. The rest of the team seems like it's coming around nicely.
4. The Raiders have been playing that same useless prevent defense for 25 years and it pisses me off no end.
massraider
Footballguy
Hated JaMarcus' performance.
Hated the way he put on Louis Murphy's jersey, and rounded off his route, giving Jammer a pick.
Hated the way he disguised himself as DHB, and dropped balls.
It was really annoying when he put on Cornell Green's jersey, and backed up the offense, with penalty after penalty.
Dang you, JaMarcus!
Hated the way he put on Louis Murphy's jersey, and rounded off his route, giving Jammer a pick.
Hated the way he disguised himself as DHB, and dropped balls.
It was really annoying when he put on Cornell Green's jersey, and backed up the offense, with penalty after penalty.
Dang you, JaMarcus!
When I read this...I envisioned Chris Farley's routine of "fat guy in a little coat" for some reason.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
They've got the horses up front on both sides of the ball it seems. That, their stable of solid RBs and Leckler should keep them in just about every game.
I wouldn't get too down on the young receivers, rookies are going to make rookie mistakes. Key is for them to improve as they go along.
Russel will always suck though. He's got a great arm and that's it. They need to minimize the damage he does if they want a shot at winning the division. They'd do well to write him of sooner than later and find themselves an average QB.
I wouldn't get too down on the young receivers, rookies are going to make rookie mistakes. Key is for them to improve as they go along.
Russel will always suck though. He's got a great arm and that's it. They need to minimize the damage he does if they want a shot at winning the division. They'd do well to write him of sooner than later and find themselves an average QB.
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
man that place exploded when the raiders took the late lead in the 4th. I was so pulling for them. having the raiders be a winning team is good for the NFL.
massraider
Footballguy
Nah.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
he was horrible. you can snark all you want, but he was beyond bad. absolutely horrible.j russell at this point in his career. SUCKS. will he get better
can he 
do i think he will? seriously doubt it.
massraider
Footballguy
Maybe we can trade for Jeff Garcia.I am sure he could have thrown those two balls to Murphy.he was horrible. you can snark all you want, but he was beyond bad. absolutely horrible.j russell at this point in his career. SUCKS. will he get bettercan he
do i think he will? seriously doubt it.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Let it go man, you'll feel better eventually. There came a point where even I had to admit Ryan Leaf just wasn't going to work out.hardriver1234
Footballguy
Can anyone give me any insight into Morrison being only in on 1st and 2nd down. Is that the new plan...I know there was talk of putting him at SLB....or was this just a byproduct of his gimpy elbow.
The two LBs in the nickel/3rd down package looked good....Davis and Brown
He already cost me one game with his 2 tackles...appreciate any local knowledge
The two LBs in the nickel/3rd down package looked good....Davis and Brown
He already cost me one game with his 2 tackles...appreciate any local knowledge
massraider
Footballguy
I said, "Nah". I think that word maybe doesn't mean what you think it means.I think JaMarcus is going to be good for us. So 'Nah', means I disagree.What, I should try and change your mind? Nah.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I get that. I'm trying to talk you out of it as you seem to be swimming up stream. But someday soon the Raiders will let you off the hook when they inevitably admit Russel isn't NFL QB material and they bring Jeff George back to pick up the pieces.
massraider
Footballguy
Nah.
ExtraPoint
Footballguy
Russell is still staring down his receiver and is not placing the ball well on side routes. His best passes are all straight ahead. At least he blocks like a TE.
Even before the game, I had the feeling that Murphy was for real. They cant bench this kid when Chaz returns. Whether the other starter is DHB or Shilens, Murphy needs to keep his job. Oh yeah, the refs still hate us.
We knew we wouldnt have any trouble running the ball. Run DMC again showed us that he does indeed have pretty good strength to go along with his speed. Maybe the best block of the year so far.
Seymour makes our defense much better exactly where we needed it. The linebackers are still suspect but the line looked good for the first time in a while. The secondary is of course the strength of the team.
The kickers are still good but the coverage and return game could both be better.
Even before the game, I had the feeling that Murphy was for real. They cant bench this kid when Chaz returns. Whether the other starter is DHB or Shilens, Murphy needs to keep his job. Oh yeah, the refs still hate us.
We knew we wouldnt have any trouble running the ball. Run DMC again showed us that he does indeed have pretty good strength to go along with his speed. Maybe the best block of the year so far.
Seymour makes our defense much better exactly where we needed it. The linebackers are still suspect but the line looked good for the first time in a while. The secondary is of course the strength of the team.
The kickers are still good but the coverage and return game could both be better.
massraider
Footballguy
Real surprised at the way the defense played. Either that, or the Chargers are in big, big trouble.
Pisgah Flying Pigmen
Footballguy
Russell needs to learn to throw low. Reduces INT's and good receivers can still go down and get it. Also would allow him to fire harder instead of trying to "lay it in". I don't think he will ever have a lot of touch.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
probably. what about the dump off rocket? whatcha think of that pass? think garcia, gradk, me, you, or anyone else could have made that pass? he sucks. i didn't want to draft him & he's done nothing to change my mind in 3 years. i can do this all day brother. russell is a joke. he's a mistake that will set us back 3-4 years. imagine if we had a competent 13-20 ranked qb. things would be very different.Maybe we can trade for Jeff Garcia.I am sure he could have thrown those two balls to Murphy.he was horrible. you can snark all you want, but he was beyond bad. absolutely horrible.j russell at this point in his career. SUCKS. will he get bettercan he
DA RAIDERS
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massraider
Footballguy
Knock yourself out. The guy you wanted was cut.probably. what about the dump off rocket? whatcha think of that pass? think garcia, gradk, me, you, or anyone else could have made that pass? he sucks. i didn't want to draft him & he's done nothing to change my mind in 3 years. i can do this all day brother.Maybe we can trade for Jeff Garcia.I am sure he could have thrown those two balls to Murphy.he was horrible. you can snark all you want, but he was beyond bad. absolutely horrible.j russell at this point in his career. SUCKS. will he get better
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i know. but he "wasn't the one i wanted" he was the best available option. when i think to myself, 'maybe gragkowski will give us a boost' when russell went down, that's really not good.
russell sucks.
sure glad he held out that first year as he clearly has a grasp of the fundamentals & intellectual side of the game.
russell sucks.
sure glad he held out that first year as he clearly has a grasp of the fundamentals & intellectual side of the game.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i was extremely encouraged by everything i saw last night except the qb play, wr route running/drops & kick coverage. every other position exceeded my expectations or wildly surpassed them(run d).
the qb play was beyond bad. admit it. it's ok. it doesn't make you less of a raider fan.
the qb play was beyond bad. admit it. it's ok. it doesn't make you less of a raider fan.
S.K.A.
Trout Bum
I am with Mass Raider. I get the feeling that Da Raiders painted himself into a corner with all of the Garcia love and will now say anything to denegrate JaMarcus.
JaMarcus' first INT was Murphy's fault from what I could tell. Russell did totally wiff on one play where a San Diego linebacker (Cooper?) should have picked him off. Russell missed DHB and Murphy on a couple of occasions, but I am still extending him a line of credit. I do believe this is a make or break season for him though.
JaMarcus' first INT was Murphy's fault from what I could tell. Russell did totally wiff on one play where a San Diego linebacker (Cooper?) should have picked him off. Russell missed DHB and Murphy on a couple of occasions, but I am still extending him a line of credit. I do believe this is a make or break season for him though.
massraider
Footballguy
So do I, and I didn't like to see the flat-out misses I saw. But every miss isn't the QBs fault, unlss of course, we are talking about Russell, apparently.I'd also like to see him play with receivers that go where they are supposed to, catch it when they are supposed to, and blockers that don't back him up 5 yards every drive in the 2nd half. Those numbers of his look a lot better if Murphy doesn't let Jammer get that pick, and that TD isn't called back.The running game disappeared in the 2nd half, and they were constantly in the shotgun, because of dumb penalties.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Bottom line: I think we have a bright future. I haven't felt that way in several years. And I love The Cable Guy.
S.K.A.
Trout Bum
The adandonment of the running game in the second half bewildered me. I thought for sure that Michael Bush was going to hammer away at them all third quarter to open up some play action in the fourth quarter.
I have no problem with keeping the playbook simplified for Russell this year. Treat him like Pittsburgh did Big Ben his first two years.
I think the game pretty much evened out Russell's stat line. By that I mean, Murphy's INT and the touchdown reversal were offset by San Diego missing an easy pick that bounced off of the linebacker and that blown coverage on Murphy in the fourth quarter. The receivers had a couple of drops, but Russell had some bad overthrows. What I liked most about Russell's performance was ability to stand in the pocket and the timing of his release. He didn't allow for some coverage sacks to happen and he was patient with his dump-offs. He is not as nearly in love with his arm strength as a Stafford.
I have no problem with keeping the playbook simplified for Russell this year. Treat him like Pittsburgh did Big Ben his first two years.
I think the game pretty much evened out Russell's stat line. By that I mean, Murphy's INT and the touchdown reversal were offset by San Diego missing an easy pick that bounced off of the linebacker and that blown coverage on Murphy in the fourth quarter. The receivers had a couple of drops, but Russell had some bad overthrows. What I liked most about Russell's performance was ability to stand in the pocket and the timing of his release. He didn't allow for some coverage sacks to happen and he was patient with his dump-offs. He is not as nearly in love with his arm strength as a Stafford.
massraider
Footballguy
That's true, Cooper had a pick. As to the blown coverage, on 4th and 15, I don't think SD is worried about a 50 yard pass, they are worried about a 16 yarder. So it was a gutsy call, and a good throw. I give the coaches credit for calling it, and Russell credit for throwing a good pass.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
sorry guys. i have never wanted russell on the team. the garcia stuff was what i thought was the right decision, but there was a lot of schtick to it as well. i think, have always thought, & unless he starts throwing the ball MUCH better, will always think we made a huge mistake in drafting him no 1 overall.can either of you, or anyone, honestly say you were encouraged by russell's play last night?as i said in the preseason thread, i have taken off my raider colored glasses & will call it as i see it. there were at least 6-8 throws last night that were god awful. ihope he gets better, we have a good shot at a win next week. & i still & always will love the raiders.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i agree. i just don't think it includes russell
S.K.A.
Trout Bum
I found some good things and some bad things in his performance. I am not in his camp, I am just willing to let this season determine my opinion. His rookie year was a write-off and last year's debacle with Lane Kiffin is an unfair situation to judge from. For me, this is the year. I want to see him get smacked in the mouth and watch his response.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
russell needs to watch tape on how to sell the play action. it WILL work, but he needs to sell it a little better. i know he's a huge dude but he needs to bend down a little, hide the ball a little, whatever, just sell it a little better. i was surprised we didn't do more of it & for deeper plays.
massraider
Footballguy
Was pretty surprised by how physical the team was. O and D.I like Cable's willingness to take a hot, the bomb to Murphy is exactly what I wanted. No punt with two minutes left, and one timeout. Take the shot.I do think his play selection can be questioned, the team seems too quick to use play action. I saw a few plays where rushers were just teeing off on Russell, ignoring the back, whether he had the ball or not. And I love play action, and I like Russell using it. But you can't use it too much.More Bush in the 2nd half would have been nice. Liked seeing DMC split out wide a lot, if we unveil more plays out of that, fake reverses, bubble screens, etc., then it might create some problems. The defense does need to show more wrinkles. you can't just line up in a 4-3 man-to-man every game. You just can't.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
fair enough. so you wouldn't use the word "encouraged" then from last nights performance?
massraider
Footballguy
Funny, I just finished posting about that. We used it too much, and SD stopped respecting the running game. There were several plays where the LB didn't even look at the back. you might say that's because Russell didn't sell it, but from what I saw, the Chargers were willing to have one defender abandon the run completely, and go after the QB.
S.K.A.
Trout Bum
I would not use the word encouraged about Russell's performance, nor would I use the sucked, terrible, or hopeless.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i am comfortable with these 2
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
A lot I agree on in here.
Was encouraged by the performance. O line looked much more solidified, and the running game is going to be solid. They should employ McFadden more in the flats and on screens, but I think sharing the load between Bush and McFadden is the way that will guarantee success.
Both looked to be running with power and finesse, and the Raiders should continue to lean on the running game when it's working, unlike last night.
Was also encouraged by the D-line. Seymour definitely makes a difference. Guy is straight out intimidating on the field, and we battered the Charger's O-line.
Switching him around gives the D-line some options, but bottom line is that a guy like Seymour -- if he can keep up that level of play -- makes the O have to account for him on every play. This opens up opportunity for both the other
linemen and the linebackers to make plays.
JaMarcus will hopefully continue to develop. I agree that he has the potential, but I still question his heart. Just doesn't look in shape, and his accuracy and decision-making needs to mature. Consistency is key -- half his passes are nice spirals, the others wobblers that are nowhere near where his receivers are.
Maybe some of that is 1st game MNF jitters, maybe some of that was working with two rookie WRs who also need to improve their hands and route-running ability. If JaMarcus can buckle down and work to improve his skills, he should be decent to guide this team forward.
Some of the playcalling I hated -- mentioned using McFadden more in the passing on dumps and screens, but the Raiders simply have no success with a prevent D, as we have seen time and time again when they are beat late in the fourth. They should just be playing to their strength, man-to-man, and go for broke with blitzes.
Some of the playcalling I loved, utilizing Miller to exploit soft areas in the zone, and especially going for it on 4th and 15. No question the right call, even if it failed -- go for broke, the Raiders have nothing to lose.
Heartbreaking to see this team fail yet again, essentially beating themselves. They were absolutely dominant, and definitely should have been up a touchdown (won't get into it here all over agin, but the fact that a receiver needs to have posession through impact, but a back can be airborne, break the plane with the ball and fumble right after and still have it called a TD, is conflicting, inconsistent and nonsensical). Another close loss for the Raiders.
But I'm definitely encouraged -- if this team can keep this level of play up, learn some lessons, continue to give JaMarcus the time to make his (slowish) progressions, and give him the support he needs to develop, I think a winning season in this weak-### division can be had.
Was encouraged by the performance. O line looked much more solidified, and the running game is going to be solid. They should employ McFadden more in the flats and on screens, but I think sharing the load between Bush and McFadden is the way that will guarantee success.
Both looked to be running with power and finesse, and the Raiders should continue to lean on the running game when it's working, unlike last night.
Was also encouraged by the D-line. Seymour definitely makes a difference. Guy is straight out intimidating on the field, and we battered the Charger's O-line.
Switching him around gives the D-line some options, but bottom line is that a guy like Seymour -- if he can keep up that level of play -- makes the O have to account for him on every play. This opens up opportunity for both the other
linemen and the linebackers to make plays.
JaMarcus will hopefully continue to develop. I agree that he has the potential, but I still question his heart. Just doesn't look in shape, and his accuracy and decision-making needs to mature. Consistency is key -- half his passes are nice spirals, the others wobblers that are nowhere near where his receivers are.
Maybe some of that is 1st game MNF jitters, maybe some of that was working with two rookie WRs who also need to improve their hands and route-running ability. If JaMarcus can buckle down and work to improve his skills, he should be decent to guide this team forward.
Some of the playcalling I hated -- mentioned using McFadden more in the passing on dumps and screens, but the Raiders simply have no success with a prevent D, as we have seen time and time again when they are beat late in the fourth. They should just be playing to their strength, man-to-man, and go for broke with blitzes.
Some of the playcalling I loved, utilizing Miller to exploit soft areas in the zone, and especially going for it on 4th and 15. No question the right call, even if it failed -- go for broke, the Raiders have nothing to lose.
Heartbreaking to see this team fail yet again, essentially beating themselves. They were absolutely dominant, and definitely should have been up a touchdown (won't get into it here all over agin, but the fact that a receiver needs to have posession through impact, but a back can be airborne, break the plane with the ball and fumble right after and still have it called a TD, is conflicting, inconsistent and nonsensical). Another close loss for the Raiders.
But I'm definitely encouraged -- if this team can keep this level of play up, learn some lessons, continue to give JaMarcus the time to make his (slowish) progressions, and give him the support he needs to develop, I think a winning season in this weak-### division can be had.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
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No. 16
Footballguy
Such BS....So a receiver can catch a ball near the sideline, tap two feet in bounds, fall out of bounds, and it's called a TD where as a receiver who stays in the end zone has to have two feet touch the ground, butt smack the turf, and maintain possession of the ball as a 200 pound person lands on him?
Raiders get jobbed again by some stupid rule.
The Good:
- The Raiders physically dominated the Chargers. OL gave Russell time and pushed the Chargers DL 3 yards back on most run pays. The DL barely gave Rivers time to throw and if they had kept man 2 man on Sproles instead of prevent they would have won the game.
- Raiders Run D - LT shut down for the first time ever against the Raiders.
- Running game looks great.
- Seymour and Ellis are beasts.
- Tyvon Branch played well at SS. Made plays behind the LOS and in coverage unlike our previous SS.
- Louis Murphy is the real deal.
- The violence and passion the Raiders played with all game was great.
- Relatively penalty free game.
The Bad:
- Cornell Green needs to be replaced ASAP.
- Nnamdi got beat for a TD.
- Prevent defense late in the game. We have seen this before.
- DHB was a non-factor.
- Moving away from running it up the gut in teh 2nd half.
The Ugly:
- Russell. Accuracy issues are still there to anything outside of the hash marks. Keep it to center field and he does well. Anytime he has to lead a receiver on the edges.. pray.
- Refs - How do you reverse that TD? Also during the Chargers game winning drive Rivers saw the pocket collapse and should have been called for intentional grounding.
- Return Coverage
Hate to lose that game, but if the Raiders can keep up the physicality and violence they will beat up most teams and win games.
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
I noticed he didnt sell the play action very well also. The only thing he sells well is where he's going to throw the football.
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
The referees have made simuliar calls before, but it sure looked to me that Murphy had possession as he landed. The ball didnt come out until he rolled. The thing is, its supposed to be undisputeable evidence to overturn the call. No way the evidence clearly showed he didnt have possession. The announcers asked the refs about it, and they said they used the replay where we saw Murphy's back to the camera. The other angle was better. I'd like to know how an angle where you couldnt see the guys hands clearly showed he didnt have possession.
I was impressed with Tyvon Branch and Chris Johnson, those two seemed to be all over the field. Anyone else catch the nice hit Michael Mitchell made on the kick off return? I wonder how long before he's starting.
Overall I was encouraged by the lack of stupid mistakes and physicality on both sides of the ball.
Overall I was encouraged by the lack of stupid mistakes and physicality on both sides of the ball.
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belljr
Footballguy
If they tap 2 toes and are falling out of bounds and drop the ball it's incomplete also.BTW - I'm on the Murphy bandwagon
abe froman
Footballguy
Good game last night for the OAK homers. A win would of been nice but no team's lickin their chops to come to your town after that showing..
