The "Official" Hall of the Very Good (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

I thought we could help some of those that just don't quite have it all to get into the Hall of Fame, instead the SP here at FBG can put some of these guys into the Hall of the Very Good. We will nominate however many we need to, size down, and then have a committee that will induct the 1st ever class in 2009. We will obviously need some rules and I will give some big examples for the Hall of the Very Good... or HoVG.

1st rule I should put up is that a member of the HoVG can eventually leave here and enter into Canton. So a couple of RBs off the top of my head that I think would be great candidates are Terell Davis and Ricky Waters. I'll let someone else go over all the awards and great things they did on the playing field. Both have SB rings I think.

But you get the idea here. Another guy I would induct as an OL is Bob Keuchenberg...he is a finalist yet again this year for the HoF, his 20th year of eligibility...he never gets in and I think he deserves it so into the HoVG for now.

Have fun with this and try and nominate guys you think will have a very limited chance at the HoF. We could nominate guys that haven't quite made intothe HoF like a Randall McDaniel for example but his time is coming, just a matter of being on the ballot a few times I think.

So what you got?

We'll have a similar induction size class with about 5-7 this year. What'cha got?

 

[stevegamer]

Since I'm a fan of 2 teams, I will throw these guys out there:

Randall Cunningham

Harold Carmichael

Bill Bergey

Eric Allen

Troy Vincent

Keith Jackson

Dave Krieg

Curt Warner

Kenny Easley

Mack Strong

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Drew Bledsoe

Shaun Alexander

Priest Holmes

Andre Rison

Andre Reed

Rod Smith

Ben Coates

Jeff Wilkins

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Off the top of my head, a QB, WR, TE, RB...

Vinnie Testaverde

Jimmy Smith

Ben Coates

Fred Taylor

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Nice lists so far guys.

I am sure we could induct like 50 players the 1st time around...another rule we should have is...player must be retired for a minimum of 3-5 seasons. I see guys like Fred Taylor and I wholeheartedly agree with him as a great candidate but not right now while he is still playing.

I think guys that have been considerd for the HoF and missed are the best candidates at the beginning but we have a ton of guys that will be brought up for this.

Two more names from the Miami Dolphins of course would be Mark Duper and Mark Clayton.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Since I'm a fan of 2 teams, I will throw these guys out there:

Randall Cunningham

Harold Carmichael

Bill Bergey

Eric Allen

Troy Vincent

Keith Jackson

Dave Krieg

Curt Warner

Kenny Easley

Mack Strong

Very strong, career cut short by injury, he was one of the most dominant players of his era. Almost can ensure that he will be a finalist. Certainly a guy that would be on my short list.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Drew BledsoeShaun AlexanderPriest HolmesAndre RisonAndre ReedRod SmithBen CoatesJeff Wilkins

Very nice list. Agree with Bledsoe, Shaun and Priest might get HoF consideration, both of them...Pries was completely dominant for a few years. Andre Rison is a great candidate, strong numbers, but will never be a HoF WR. Reed might get in but we established they can leave the HoVG for the HoF in the future. Ben Coates on multiple lists now.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Kenny Anderson. It's a total joke that he's not already in.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Kenny Anderson. It's a total joke that he's not already in.

Agreed...might not be a 1st ballot simply because so many in here never even saw him play. What about Boomer Esiason?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

What about Boomer Esiason?

Would guess he's right on the bubble here. Probably not HOF IMO material, though I think I remember being surprised at how well he stacked up after Chase posted one of his QB research articles.

 

[Man In The Box]

Phil Simms

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Phil Simms

Nice selection. I like it when we can post 1 guy...if you have a list of 10-20 guys, try to narrow it down to maybe 1-2 like MiTB has done. Simms has 2 rings although he didn't play in the 2nd SB, but he was instrumental to the Giants being one of the more dominant teams in the mid to late 80s.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Derrick Thomas?

9 time pro Bowler from 1989 thru 1997, 2 time All Pro, career cut short due to expiring at the age of 32. Finished with 126 sacks, would have eneded up with 140-150 very likely.

What does an OLB have to do to make it in? 41 forced fumbles over his career including 19 fumble recoveries.

 

[Man In The Box]

I was going to post Derrick Thomas, but I think he's a HOFer.

Pat Swilling

Neil Smith

 

[Perfect Tommy]

Sterling Sharpe. He was well on his way to a HOF career when he had to retire because of injury.

 

[geoff8695]

Richard Dent - DE several pro bowls, a Super Bowl MVP, 137.5 career sacks, and likely destined for the HOF in the next year or two

Jay Hilgenberg - C he was a 7 time probowl starter and should be a HOFer IMO

 

[dgreen]

We'll have a similar induction size class with about 5-7 this year.

At that rate, it will take about 1,000 years to get everyone in who deserves it.There have been a lot of Very Good players.

 

[perry147]

Keena Turner - LB 49ers.

Jack Del Rio - LB Vikings

 

[Ministry of Pain]

We'll have a similar induction size class with about 5-7 this year.

At that rate, it will take about 1,000 years to get everyone in who deserves it.There have been a lot of Very Good players.

Yes, but that is what makes only allowing in 5-7 a year...or maybe 8-10 if we think it warrants, but allowing in a certain amount ensures that we only allow in those very deserving and also will make the 1st 4-5 years we do this all the more special. We are going to gather probably 40-50 very deserving players the 1st time around which myself and a few other board members will take into account, slim down to a reasonable amount, then poll the boards so everyone can get a vote.Then there will likely be 1-2 inductees that are only voted on by the board to be added on top of the popular vote lets say. This is all in the very early stages, all input is most welcome. But this will I think take some of the ridiculous debate that sometimes plays out in a few of these HoF threads that sometimes are completely off base. And again, guys like Warner, McNabb, guys that might be on the fence and have had a lot of debate, again those are great cadidates but they are still playing so we likely are not going to consider those guys when maybe over the next 3-5 seasons they in fact do enough to go to the HoF and the point is moot. I love the fact that one of them will further the arguement that they should be in the HoF over the next couple of weeks. McNabb with 5 NFC Titale games and perhaps 2 SB trips...be hard to not look at that as a means to get in.

 

[David Yudkin]

Lynn Swann

 

[Wildman]

Very good, but won't make it: Steve McNair and Rich Gannon.

McNair's career wasn't so much about the numbers people focus on QBs, but opponents talk about him as a great player. He won't be a HOFer because injuries derailed his career at just the time Tennessee was ready to open up the offense.

Gannon was very good when he went to the Raiders, but it was too little, too late.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Lynn Swann

I give you the nod for originality but he is a card carrying member of the HoF.BTW: Don't forget our little Warrick Dunn bet...likely a future HoVG candidate I might add. He made it with a little room to spare. Grham going on IR and Cadillac not being back 100% had a lot to do with it, you don't even have to inject luck into this, I agree with you already. Was nice to see him crack the top30 again...I have to check on that but I believe he did make it again. Cleared 100 points in non PPR leagues which is enough.

 

[Jason Wood]

Love this topic MOP

Quarterbacks

Randall Cunningham

Boomer Esiason

Vinny Testaverde

Drew Bledsoe

Dave Krieg

Phil Simms

Running Backs

Jerome Bettis [i realize he'll probably get in]

Ricky Watters

Tiki Barber [pains me to say that, but he was pretty darn good]

Ottis Anderson

Herschel Walker

Wide Receivers

Henry Ellard

Irving Fryar

Jimmy Smith

Rod Smith

Sterling Sharpe [HOF pace, but injuries cut it short]

Herman Moore

 

[dgreen]

This is all in the very early stages, all input is most welcome..

You shouldn't have anyone in the HOVG who is also in the HOF. Nominations should be for players who are highly unlikely to ever have a HOF shot.I'd say anyone who has made it to the 15 finalists for the HOF and doesn't get in the HOF, should get an automatic entry into the HOVG. Once a player uses up all his finalist chances for the HOF and becomes ineligible for the HOF, he's in the HOVG.

 

[dgreen]

From the Redskins (or at least played some in DC):

QB Joe Theismann

RB Larry Brown

RB George Rogers

RB Earnest Byner

RB Gerald Riggs

WR Gary Clark

OT Joe Jacoby

C Len Haus

DE Dexter Manley

DT Dave Butz

LB Wilbur Marshall

LB Ken Harvey

LB Chris Hanburger

 

[David Yudkin]

Lynn Swann

I give you the nod for originality but he is a card carrying member of the HoF.BTW: Don't forget our little Warrick Dunn bet...likely a future HoVG candidate I might add. He made it with a little room to spare. Grham going on IR and Cadillac not being back 100% had a lot to do with it, you don't even have to inject luck into this, I agree with you already. Was nice to see him crack the top30 again...I have to check on that but I believe he did make it again. Cleared 100 points in non PPR leagues which is enough.

The HoVG is where Swann actually belongs.As for Dunn, I don't remember what the stakes were. He ranked 34th BTW.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Rod Smith

Jerome Bettis

Phil Simms

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Love this topic MOP

Quarterbacks

Randall Cunningham

Boomer Esiason

Vinny Testaverde

Drew Bledsoe

Dave Krieg

Phil Simms

Running Backs

Jerome Bettis [i realize he'll probably get in]

Ricky Watters

Tiki Barber [pains me to say that, but he was pretty darn good]

Ottis Anderson

Herschel Walker

Wide Receivers

Henry Ellard

Irving Fryar

Jimmy Smith

Rod Smith

Sterling Sharpe [HOF pace, but injuries cut it short]

Herman Moore

An excellent list and certainly Wood will be a frontrunner from the FBG staff to be on the voters board.

 

[Menace]

Bo Jackson

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Lynn Swann

I give you the nod for originality but he is a card carrying member of the HoF.BTW: Don't forget our little Warrick Dunn bet...likely a future HoVG candidate I might add. He made it with a little room to spare. Grham going on IR and Cadillac not being back 100% had a lot to do with it, you don't even have to inject luck into this, I agree with you already. Was nice to see him crack the top30 again...I have to check on that but I believe he did make it again. Cleared 100 points in non PPR leagues which is enough.

The HoVG is where Swann actually belongs.As for Dunn, I don't remember what the stakes were. He ranked 34th BTW.

We had a bet preseason that Dunn because of his age could not break 100 FF points in non PPR leagues. If I won, free FBG subscription for 2009, if you won I make a donation on your behalf to whatever the charity was you wanted. Dunn is the oldest player to put up that high of a number in non PPR leagues. That was the basis of you making the bet as you used pure stats that no one as old as he had ever done it...I'll find the thread and dig it up. We have all off season to settle up.

 

[DawnBTVS]

Looking at some slightly older players here...

DE Chris Doleman: Had a 21 sack season and 150.5 in career

WR/P Gary Collins: Largely overshadowed by Paul Warfield on those 1960's Cleveland teams but had 70 career TD catches and a 41.0 punting average.

 

[David Yudkin]

If I won, free FBG subscription for 2009.

Remind me as we approach the 2009 season and I'll get you set up for the free subscription. BTW, you will be the inaugural winner in 5-6 years of making bets like this, so mad props to you for being the first ever to get to cash in.

 

[David Yudkin]

Cliff Branch needs to be in.

 

[David Yudkin]

As does Art Powell.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Cliff Branch needs to be in.

There's a lot of guys at WR that can be nominated.Irving FryarCliff BranchMark DuperMark ClaytonJimmy SmithRod SmithHerman MooreSterling Sharpe

 

[stevegamer]

I think you really want to try and get a handle on this in a semi-organized way.

Some have gone by position, other by team - I tried to list the guys on the 2 teams I root for: Seahawks & Eagles.

You also likely want to try and restrict the era to avoid people who haven't really gottena good look from the committee - first "class" maybe should have all retired before 2000? Maybe earlier?

 

[Steel Dillo]

**** LeBeau?

 

[DCThunder]

From the Redskins (or at least played some in DC):QB Joe TheismannRB Larry BrownRB George RogersRB Earnest BynerRB Gerald RiggsWR Gary ClarkOT Joe JacobyC Len HausDE Dexter ManleyDT Dave ButzLB Wilbur MarshallLB Ken HarveyLB Chris Hanburger

I'd add:OT Jim LacheyLB Monte ColemanPK Mark MosleyDE Charles Mann (he was the better DE although Manley got the sacks)OG Mark Schreleth (remember he started in DC before he went to the Broncos and won Super Bowls)WR Roy JeffersonAs for current players, where would CB Shawn Springs and RB Clinton Portis rank? In the HOVG or as real candidates for Canton.

 

[thatguy]

Top guys that come to mind from my fav team: Rod Smith and TD are the easy choices, Tom Nalen might make this list when he hangs 'em up, decided to add Schlereth based on previous post, then you have guys like Atwater and Dennis Smith, Al Wilson would be here had he put in 3 or 4 more productive years, Lynch should probably make it and likely will, but not first ballot

Others:

Jimmy Smith

Shaun

Priest

Plenty of others but don't feel like thinking of them

What are people's thoughts on Edge's chances when he decides to hang 'em up?

 

[thatguy]

From the Redskins (or at least played some in DC):

QB Joe Theismann

RB Larry Brown

RB George Rogers

RB Earnest Byner

RB Gerald Riggs

WR Gary Clark

OT Joe Jacoby

C Len Haus

DE Dexter Manley

DT Dave Butz

LB Wilbur Marshall

LB Ken Harvey

LB Chris Hanburger

I'd add:OT Jim Lachey

LB Monte Coleman

PK Mark Mosley

DE Charles Mann (he was the better DE although Manley got the sacks)

OG Mark Schreleth (remember he started in DC before he went to the Broncos and won Super Bowls)

WR Roy Jefferson

As for current players, where would CB Shawn Springs and RB Clinton Portis rank? In the HOVG or as real candidates for Canton.

I considered putting Schlereth on my list for the Broncos as well... But I'm not sure he even belongs. Maybe.

 

[identikit]

Terry Metcalf

(not Eric)

 

[dgreen]

**** LeBeau?

As a player or coordinator?Either way, the HOVG would be a great place to honor coordinators, position coaches, etc..Don CoryellBuddy Ryan

 

[Ghost Rider]

Top guys that come to mind from my fav team: Rod Smith and TD are the easy choices

To me, TD should be in the Hall of Fame, so I didn't list him for the Hall of Very Good.

What are people's thoughts on Edge's chances when he decides to hang 'em up?

His overall numbers will give him a good, solid case, but his selfish me-first attitude will turn some voters off, I'll bet.

 

[Jason Wood]

Bo Jackson

If I'm on the voting panel, he's not getting my vote.He would be first ballot for the Hall of Athletic Potential or the Hall of Overrated Footballers though

 

[Dentist]

Bo Jackson

If I'm on the voting panel, he's not getting my vote.He would be first ballot for the Hall of Athletic Potential or the Hall of Overrated Footballers though :(

how about the hall of fame Tecmo

 

[thecatch]

Roger Craig

 

[Twilight]

Charles Haley would fit perfectly.

 

[thatguy]

Bo Jackson

If I'm on the voting panel, he's not getting my vote.He would be first ballot for the Hall of Athletic Potential or the Hall of Overrated Footballers though

how about the hall of fame Tecmo

First Ballot. Easy. He and LT were the best players of all time.

 

[Kevrunner]

Jerry Smith TE for Redskins in 60s/70s, was the top TE for his era, but I guess he will never get into the HOF due to his questionable lifestyle.

 

[Man In The Box]

I'm surprised the Redskins guys left Pat Fischer off their lists. I purposely didn't mention a few players to give others a chance to post their lists, and Fischer was one of them. OJ Anderson, Fryar, Ellard, Herschell Walker, and **** LeBeau were some others that I initially thought of and have since been mentioned.