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The Official Staff/Messageboard Survivor Thread (1 Viewer)
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bagger
Footballguy
Finally the next 4 rounds are posted. 
Hmmm....Any surprise that both bfred and I have 2 QBs, 4 RBs, 4 WRs, 2 TEs, 2 Ks, and 0 Ds through 14? No need to reach on that 3rd QB...plenty of talent still out there. No need to reach on a D. Have well rounded RBs and WRs. Each have 2 solid TEs.Locking up 2 quality PKs is essential in survivor. The distribution of Ks in the direction of the MB is interesting.
Hmmm....Any surprise that both bfred and I have 2 QBs, 4 RBs, 4 WRs, 2 TEs, 2 Ks, and 0 Ds through 14? No need to reach on that 3rd QB...plenty of talent still out there. No need to reach on a D. Have well rounded RBs and WRs. Each have 2 solid TEs.Locking up 2 quality PKs is essential in survivor. The distribution of Ks in the direction of the MB is interesting.
Smells like collusion to me.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
LMAO
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
I thought my Mike Alstott pick was just an alright pick, nothing special but a player almost certain to gain fantasy points on a weekly basis.Then I looked over to league one and realized he went a full four rounds before I took him. That's value guys and gals! I also believe I got a great bargain in TE Bubba Franks. It was almost criminal getting him in the 12th. 
I also believe I got a great bargain in TE Bubba Franks. It was almost criminal getting him in the 12th. bostonfred2
Footballguy
As of round 14, I have:The top QB (Culpepper)One of the best 1-2 punches at RB (Portis, Davis) 4 WRs (including my #4 overall WR, Moulds)The top TE and a top 5 TE (Gonzo, Winslow)The top K and a top backup K (Wilkins, Feely)I'm going to get a lot of scoring at every position, and a lot of consistent scoring at the most inconsistent positions. I've gotten great value at almost every pick, and with one very deliberate exception, my next 6 picks are no different. I'm very happy with this draft so far.
bostonfred2
Footballguy
Sinrman:11.1 Carolina D12.12 Anthony Thomas13.1 Mike Vanderjagt14.12 LaMont JordanHis team:QB: Bledsoe/Harrington RB: Tomlinson, Dunn, Thomas, JordanWR: Chad Johnson, Owens, Darrell Jackson, Davis BostonTE: Crumpler, McMichaelK: VanderjagtD: CarolinaProbably the worst QBs in the league, but his RB2 combination now looks at least startable, as opposed to before. Love his RB1, WR1-4, TE1 and 2, K and D. As much as people love QB and RB2+, I think this is one of the stronger teams at this pointin the draft. He's solid at most positions, and the best in the league at a several.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Why thank you, BF.Yeah, my QBs are pretty weak, compared to others. I'm just hoping for some decent production from these two each week. I don't think it's possible for Bledsoe and Harrington to do much worse than they did last year. So I have to look at the bright side of things.
Both now have some nice weapons (Buffalo adding Evans and Detroit adding Jones and Williams), so I'm hopeful that they both put up 3,000+ yard/18-20 TD seasons. That would make them worth it to me...I was happy to get A-Train and LaMont Jordan when I did. Though I like Dunn (especially with a 1 pt/reception rule), I don't feel entirely comfortable with him being my #2 back. I'm hoping to get some decent production at least from A-Train and Jordan, to make up for bye weeks/low production weeks from LT and/or Dunn.I'm sure some will question my picking of Carolina at 11.01. But my thinking was that two defenses went before me (BALT & NE), and after a certain point, it really becomes a crapshoot. I really wanted one of the top defenses, because you get fairly decent points from that position if you get one of the top ones. With the low points scored/low yards allowed last year by the Panthers, that would work beautifully if that happened again this year. And notice after I picked Carolina, several more defenses went within the next couple of rounds. So I guess right in thinking there would be a run on them soon.And I'm also sure some will question my pick of Vanderjagt at 13.01. Normally that's a bit early for a kicker, but I was hoping to get one of the top kickers as well, and feared that if I waited much longer, there would be a run on them. If you look closely, there were quite a few kickers taken in rounds 13 and 14 after I took Vandy, so there was a nice run there. I would have been stuck with a pair of mediocre kickers if I waited longer. Vandy was perfect last year, and though I don't expect him to be this year, he should rack up a nice amount of points this year for me.Though I certainly have some weaknesses, I like my team overall at this point. I do make a couple of mistakes in the next few rounds after this, as you will all see, but hey, at this point, it's a matter of sheering up holes and getting as much value as possible. So they shouldn't completely kill me...
Fullback Fro
yesno
smelvon promised to turn it in to Dodds by tonight. Slacker!
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The problem as I see it for Sinrman is that he does not have a RB2 that will get full time work. Dunn is not the healthiest lad entering camp and Jordan and Thomas could conceivably get single digit carries most of the time.With an off day or a bye week from LT, this could be a problem when combined with potentially mediocre QB play.Just food for thought.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
With my squad ofQuarterbacksTrent Green, Steve McNair, David CarrRunning BacksEdgerrin James, Michael Bennett, Charlie Garner, Mike AlstottWide ReceiversJimmy Smith, Rod Smith, Plaxico Burress, Joey GallowayTight End Bubba FranksDefenseBaltimore, TennesseeI believe I have all the pieces in place to last until the end in this league. My squad is solid top to bottom and I have found several value guys throughout the middle rounds.AlstottJimmy Smith Rod SmithPlaxico BurressBubba FranksThere are a few other teams I believe are as solid as my own but I am definitely in the top 4 teams at this point in the draft
David Yudkin
Footballguy
No one seems to have any comments on my team and have already ruled me out as a competitor. Here's my team so far . . .03.10 QB Michael Vick06.03 QB Jake Delhomme07.10 QB Tommy MaddoxVick was Top 3 in 2002. Granted, he's an injury risk, but expecting him to miss most of the season again is unreasonable. Delhomme was the #15 QB last year and there's no reason to expect him to do worse. Maddox (in a so so year) was the #16 QB last year, and the Steelers have at this point indicated Big Ben will be on the bench all season like Cincy did with Palmer. I don't foresee major issues with a #3, #15, and #16 QB trio.01.10 RB Fred Taylor02.03 RB Tiki Barber04.03 RB Chris Brown09.10 RB Richie AndersonTaylor and Barber were the #8 and #11 RB last year in Survivor scoring. The Jags are talking about using Taylor even more. You can't go wrong with two RB1s in the same lineup. Brown, admittedly, is a question mark which has been debated ad naseum. We won't know for awhile whether this was pure genius or purse waste. Anderson was the #22 RB in Survivor scoring last year. Dallas has already indicated they will probably expand his role from last year. #8, #11, #22, and a guy that could be Top 15-20 seems pretty solid to me.05.10 WR Santana Moss08.03 WR Charles Rogers10.03 WR Peter Warrick12.03 WR Eddie KennisonMoss was ranked #9, Rogers was ranked #17 prior to his injury, Warrick was #16, and Kennison was #24 last year. My #5 WR was also #29. That's 5 Top 30 WR on the same team. Again, I think that's pretty solid.13.10 TE Antonio Gates Gates was the #4 TE in the second hald of last season.11.10 Def Tampa Bay Buccaneers14.03 Def Dallas CowboysThese were the #4 and #5 defenses last year and should be every bit as good this year.I care more about the numbers than I care about big names. I think I have a solid team that is also consistent.My guys might not shoot 64 every round, but they will shoot 68-70 and play under par. Remember, the only thing that matters is outscoring ONE team each week.I'm actually glad no one likes my team, as if they did, the players would not have fallen to me in the places that I selected them.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
Agreed and agreed. It is going to be fun watching Sinrman's squad thanks to his doubling up on receivers at the turn (round 2/3). Both Terrell Owens and Chad Johnson could be huge this year or disappointments and how they do will greatly impact his squad.I love Crumpler to have a big season and applaud his pickup. I am beginning to sour on McMichaels (out of shape and other options in the passing game - Chambers, Boston). Overall though a good tight end duoHis running backs have the potential of bombing big time behind Tomlinson. Dunn is his best bet but he'll be sharing carries with Duckett at best all season long. If Dunn is back healthy though he could save his squad. Both Thomas and Jordan will need some luck to get enough carries to make a difference (although I still think Anthony Thomas is the better of the Bear's backs)QB is about as big of a *gulp* as you can have in Survivor leagues. If at least one of the Bledsoe/Harrington duo cannot improve drastically this year, it will be a huge obsticle for this squad to overcome.I applaud Sinrman's guts on ignoring the RB position at the turn and waiting until the end of the sixth for his quarterback but he'll need a lot of luck to survive past the first few weeks (especially Bledsoe up against the Patriots in week four when Harrington is on bye and Harrington up against the Eagles in week three when Bledsoe is on bye ... OUCH!)
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
I believe your squad is solid and that could be enough to win this thing. The big problem is obviously week nine with only one running back going in Richie Anderson (who is just as big of a threat to post a '0' IMO than a '15'. That is a huge roadblock in your quest for a title (having three of your first four picks on the same bye is scary)
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
I don't like the two early kicker picks and feel that is much worse than targeting three quarterbacks in the first seven rounds. With kickers you really can afford to wait until near the end to pick up a couple and you'll be fine week to week when you don't have to pick one of them to start.I would much rather have my Ravens and Titans defensive teams.Finally the next 4 rounds are posted.
I'm a big fan of your team's talent, David. I think the guys you've assembled at each position work well together. I'd just worry about your week 4 bye issues.At QB, Vick and Delhomme are a nice combination. Vick has all the upside in the world, and Delhomme is as safe as they come. I wouldn't have drafted Maddox because of the Big Ben specter, but if you're comfortable with him, fine by me.At RB, you've got two solid starters in this format. Tiki and Taylor both get lots of yards and receptions. TDs are hit and miss, but you should have solid production week to week. Your backup RBs work well together. Chris Brown has the upside, and Richie Anderson has the weekly receptions.At WR, your first two picks are somewhat high-risk, high-reward (just because they've had only half a good season each), but your WR3 and WR4 are more reliable than most WR3s and WRs. Again, nice mix.Gates could easily be a top 10 TE, and he's got the potential for a few huge weeks (although, like nearly all TEs, he'll be inconsistent from week to week).The Bucs and 'Boys are a formidable DT combo.If you can get past week 4, you're looking good.
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Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
Gotta give you props. Your draft to this point is outstanding. I for one don't like the double Kicker pick this early in the draft and would rather have two potential top five defenses. However I understand the thought processes behind the picks (just think it is a bigger reach than myself taking three quarterbacks in the first seven rounds).My hopes for your squad is that week four takes you out.Moulds against the PatriotsToomer in Green BayReggie Williams (good matchup against Colts) but hopefully early enough in the season that he isn't producing great numbers yetCulpepper off and only Boller chucking the rock (potentially good matchup against the Chiefs, but still... it's Boller :rotflmao: )Great Draft BF... Gotta give ya an 'A'
Joe T
Footballguy
I think I've pinpointed your problem.I think your RB's and QB's are good enough to compete. You are lacking a strong WR2. And the fact that you only have 4 total at this point doesn't help. It will be interesting to see what you do the rest of the draft to correct this. I think I might have gone WR 5 rather than D2 or TE1... but that's just me.I'd like your team a lot better if you replace Mushin Muhammad or some other receiver of your choosing in the 11th rather than the Bucs over rated defense.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
chris,It's not like you guys are drafting in the 3rd week of August. If you wait too long on kickers, you might find that you're drafting a kicker that isn't even going to make the team.When you draft a defense, you KNOW that defense will start for you. There will always be a Kansas City defense, but there might not be an Aaron Elling if he misses 5 straight field goals.I don't like the two early kicker picks and feel that is much worse than targeting three quarterbacks in the first seven rounds. With kickers you really can afford to wait until near the end to pick up a couple and you'll be fine week to week when you don't have to pick one of them to start.I would much rather have my Ravens and Titans defensive teams.Finally the next 4 rounds are posted.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
The majority of the kickers out there are in stable situations. It is just a matter of picking them right.Heck if Vanderjagt misses five field goals in a row, he may lose his job. Jul 3, 2004, 09:32Colts - Colts To Keep Two Kickers On RosterLen Pasquarelli, ESPN - [Full Article]If seventh-round pick David Kimball of Penn State is as strong with his kickoffs in camp as he was in offseason workouts, the Indianapolis Colts will keep two kickers on the roster. His strong leg aside, placement specialist Mike Vanderjagt is all but abysmal on kickoffs and punter Hunter Smith, forced to handle the chores, is subpar.----I do understand the reasoning but still, I would rather wait on the kicker position until the end of the draft. Call me ol' fashioned but taking a kicker in the mid-rounds makes me :Xchris,It's not like you guys are drafting in the 3rd week of August. If you wait too long on kickers, you might find that you're drafting a kicker that isn't even going to make the team.When you draft a defense, you KNOW that defense will start for you. There will always be a Kansas City defense, but there might not be an Aaron Elling if he misses 5 straight field goals.I don't like the two early kicker picks and feel that is much worse than targeting three quarterbacks in the first seven rounds. With kickers you really can afford to wait until near the end to pick up a couple and you'll be fine week to week when you don't have to pick one of them to start.I would much rather have my Ravens and Titans defensive teams.Finally the next 4 rounds are posted.
bostonfred2
Footballguy
I do, but I've already posted about it in every thread with the word Carolina in it.
So you think his surprise comeback player of the year performance is more indicative of his talent than his mediocre followup year.
But you have two RB2s.
He blew up when Pennington came back, posting 24 catches for 430 yards and 6 TDs in the first four weeks. Once teams adjusted, he didn't score another TD all year.
It was also prior to the drafting of Roy Williams. His numbers were the result of a ridiculous number of targets as Harrington tried to force the ball to Rogers regardless of down and distance. Now there's a second option.
Why should Tampa be every bit as good as last year? Tampa lost Sapp, Rudd, Webster and Lynch, and no longer has any of the defensive coaching staff that made them great. Their replacements are has beens or guys returning from injury.
This much I agree with. I'm mostly busting your chops, but you did grab some guys I hate this year. I like Vick and all of your backs except Brown. I like Warrick, although I'm nervous about Washington. In general, my personal rankings aside, I think you had a good draft, for a staff member forced to robotically pick the positions and players dictated by management.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
Actually, we were free to totally do our own thing in rounds 16 and 19, as long as at least one of those picks was a DT.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I like your team and draft, but you're very optimisitic with your personal rankings. To say you have one of the top 5 wide receivers in Moulds is a reach in my opinion.Why do you think Moulds is going to have such a big year? I don't see it and predict he won't be in the top 10.I think Vandy is the top kicker in the NFL right now and Feely didn't do as well as I expected last year. Maybe he'll return to form.Your 2 TE's are amazing, can't believe they let you have them. I can't even find a devil's advocate for them.Culpepper will put up huge points, he did miss a few games last year though and Ferotte came in and did nicely.Porcelin Portis is a bang or bust. You remember that nickname for him don't you? If he gets dinged up, I hope you post in my thread and use his true nickname, Porcelin.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
And a tight end...and a kicker...other than that, we had total free choice :rotflmao:
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
Come on somebody... slam my squad! I can't wait for Marc to finish his commentary :(
Fullback Fro
yesno
It sounds more and more like you guys had guns to your heads the whole draft. I can't help but wonder how this thing would have turned out if there was no team influence and had an every man for himself approach.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
My strategy was my own from the get go. I had already decided to have three starting quarterbacks on my team before any discussion took place. For good or for worse, this squad is 100% my own creation.
Fullback Fro
yesno
Can we see the Dodds' debriefing email to the Staff on his draft requirements?That would be an interesting read.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
If it ever actually existed, I'm sure it would be...Us talking amongst ourselves is not the same as being 'dictated' to do a strategy. There was no gun to our heads, there was no threats, there was no orders. More like a round table dialogue.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
Ditto. Three defenses as well.
bostonfred2
Footballguy
I am a huge fan of Moulds this year, and have been for quite some time. It has nothing to do with the every other year theory. It has a little to do with Mularkey, who has good success working with an immobile QB and a good WR. It has a lot to do with the fact that Bledsoe and Moulds were both projected to be outstanding last year, and were, until Moulds got hurt. Moulds partially tore his groin in week 5. Up until that point, his numbers were:4/81/07/133/12/30/0 (Miami killed them)8/114/09/99/0He missed two games, came back hurt, and didn't score a TD or break 70 yards the rest of the season. Not coincidentally, Bledsoe's numbers through week 5:NE: 230/1/1@JAC: 314/2/0@MIA: 98/0/2 (4 sacks, completely dominated by Miami)PHI: 296/1/0CIN: 211/1/0For a total of 1149 yards in 5 games. Which projects to about 3700 yards and 16 TDs, probably more if you consider the strength of schedule over those first 5 games compared with teams like KC, Houston, Indy and the Giants later in the season. What did he end up with? 2860 yards and 11 TDs. In the 5 games before Moulds got hurt, he averaged 230 yards and a TD. In the 11 games after Moulds got hurt, he averaged 150 yards and .5 TDs. There's two possible explanations for this. One, Bledsoe and Moulds both suddenly started to suck last year, and they'll never be good again. Two, losing Price and relying on an injured Moulds, a raw Josh Reed and a mediocre Bobby Shaw killed Bledsoe's stats, and playing with an injured groin killed Moulds' stats, and it seems likely they'll both bounce back nicely this season now that Moulds is healthy. I put no stock whatsoever in the first of those two arguments, yet it seems to be the conventional wisdom.
bostonfred2
Footballguy
Did Dodds pick the rolly-eyes for you, or did he just tell you and Maurile to respond?
Joe T
Footballguy
I think you had the best first 6 rounds in either draft...after that you fell off a little bit.I don't like any of your picks in rounds 8 through 10. I think Rod Smith is a very weak WR2 and Plaxico Buress is an all-time bust. Burress is overrated every year. I think taking a defense in the 10th is way too early, but obviously a lot of people disagree with me. I'm a fan of the Galloway and Alstott picks because I think they are both value at this point and I think they are on an offense that will improve a great deal this year.You must like them too since you already have 3 Bucs on your team (Garner, Galloway, and Alstott). Your draft is very similar to mine early although your QB's are a little better. I've been critical of every team that took 2 defenses that early and your is no different. I don't understand the value that it adds to a team a this point in the draft. Your team is one of the best in the Second Tier league.Congrats.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
So in his first 5 games, he had 1 TD. He's going to need more than that to post top 4 numbers. I'm not trying to bust your chops on predictions, just trying to play a little devil's advocate. Truthfully though, I'm a lot less high on Moulds than you, partially because of Bledsoe, I think he's full of lots of Mularky.
Now you're just being ridiculous. Of course we're allowed to pick our own smileys.*-----*As long as they are approved by Shick!
bostonfred2
Footballguy
You look at 30 catches for 457 yards and a TD in 5 games and think that's bad?If he stayed on the pace he played against the toughest stretch of defenses on his schedule, and he'd be at 96 catches for 1463 yards and 3 TDs. TDs aren't as predictable as receptions and yards, either. As for him posting top 4 numbers, I have no idea if he'll do that. I said he's my #4 WR this year. That means that, all things considered, I like him better than anyone in the Ward/Coles/S Moss/etc. tier, who all have blemishes. (fwiw, I probably like Ward 5th best, Horn's moving back up there for me, and I would like Coles more if it weren't for the toe). Does that mean he'll be the fourth best receiver at the end of the year? Who knows. But I strongly believe he has the best chance of having a great year than any of the other receivers after Moss/Holt/Harrison, because, with the exception of the groin injury last year, he's been very good for a very long time and had nothing but good news in the offseason.
bagger
Footballguy
agree chris.your team stood out to me after i looked over all of them after the draft was over.you should be at the merge without a problem.With my squad ofQuarterbacksTrent Green, Steve McNair, David CarrRunning BacksEdgerrin James, Michael Bennett, Charlie Garner, Mike AlstottWide ReceiversJimmy Smith, Rod Smith, Plaxico Burress, Joey GallowayTight End Bubba FranksDefenseBaltimore, TennesseeI believe I have all the pieces in place to last until the end in this league. My squad is solid top to bottom and I have found several value guys throughout the middle rounds.AlstottJimmy Smith Rod SmithPlaxico BurressBubba FranksThere are a few other teams I believe are as solid as my own but I am definitely in the top 4 teams at this point in the draft
bagger
Footballguy
this was my thinking on going earlier than later on kickers and later than earlier on defenses.i think i got a good defense late and a mediocre one to back it up, but i know they'll be starting every week with the exception of their byes.chris,It's not like you guys are drafting in the 3rd week of August. If you wait too long on kickers, you might find that you're drafting a kicker that isn't even going to make the team.When you draft a defense, you KNOW that defense will start for you. There will always be a Kansas City defense, but there might not be an Aaron Elling if he misses 5 straight field goals.I don't like the two early kicker picks and feel that is much worse than targeting three quarterbacks in the first seven rounds. With kickers you really can afford to wait until near the end to pick up a couple and you'll be fine week to week when you don't have to pick one of them to start.I would much rather have my Ravens and Titans defensive teams.Finally the next 4 rounds are posted.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
Good commentary but I disagree about both Rod Smith and Plaxico Burress (this would be a boring hobby if we agreed on everybody
. I believe both will post better numbers in 2004 than a year ago. Burress especially is excellent value and not poor for the reasons I stated in my writeup.Getting Burress in round nine is awesome. If you think my pick of Burress was weak you must really hate Chase's round 8 pick :rotflmao:
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Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
In my best Donald Trump voice...MLevin, you have done a great job so far on the commentary and you are a very knowledgable fantasy guru. However getting those blurbs out for us fanatics to read is very important. If you don't have them done by tonight...YOU'RE FIRED!
My team after 14 rounds:05.02 QB Aaron Brooks NO/8 06.11 QB Carson Palmer Cin/5 07.02 QB Josh McCown Ari/6 01.02 RB Priest Holmes KC/5 02.11 RB Corey Dillon NE/3 03.02 RB Duce Staley Pit/7 10.11 RB Willis McGahee Buf/3 04.11 WR Laveranues Coles Was/7 08.11 WR Javon Walker GB/9 09.02 WR Keyshawn Johnson Dal/4 12.11 WR Muhsin Muhammad Car/3 13.02 WR Kevin Johnson Bal/6 11.02 TE Boo Williams NO/8 14.11 PK Josh Brown Sea/4 this team is built to last. Landing Boo Williams in the 11th was a heist.
And a simple avatar change got you right on track.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
05.02 QB Aaron Brooks NO/8 06.11 QB Carson Palmer Cin/5 07.02 QB Josh McCown Ari/6 Brooks is solid. I'm not sold on Palmer and think he might struggle. McCown will be airing it out. Overall, I don't envision any real issues here.01.02 RB Priest Holmes KC/5 02.11 RB Corey Dillon NE/3 03.02 RB Duce Staley Pit/7 10.11 RB Willis McGahee Buf/3 I like the top 3 guys a lot. McGahee is probably a wasted pick, as I doubt he will overtake Henry and may not even have a game with double digit carries.04.11 WR Laveranues Coles Was/7 08.11 WR Javon Walker GB/9 09.02 WR Keyshawn Johnson Dal/4 12.11 WR Muhsin Muhammad Car/3 13.02 WR Kevin Johnson Bal/6 Coles' toe shouldn't be a problem, but for now we don't know for sure. I think Walker is WAY too overhyped and will be lucky to outproduce his total fantasy scoring numbers. I've never been a Keyshawn fan, but he might end up as a WR2/3. I'm surprised that there has been little love for Muhammad these days. He was a solid contributor. I'm not sure Johnson (or any Balt WR) will do much this year. If there's a weakness, this group might be it but certainly not a huge one.11.02 TE Boo Williams NO/8 Even though he had a great second half, I would not be 100% sure of him being the starter this year. Conwell was the starter and got hurt. Who knows if he is considered the starter still or not. It's nice to think Williams is, but again we just don't know for sure.14.11 PK Josh Brown Sea/4 He's a kicker. I think it was a little early, but what do I know.Overall, I think this is a solid team. We all will have some areas that are a little weaker than others. Holmes may be the guy that saves you if other players have down weeks.
