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The Open @ St. Andrews Thread:Get your major on! (1 Viewer)

tom22406

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Figured a new thread for another major was in store.Can't wait to see how this one plays out.

Can Spieth continue his major dominance by winning 3/3 so far this year?

Can Dustin Johnson regain his composure and finish this one off?

Will Tiger make the cut?

Fun starts Thursday morning :thumbup:

 
TV Coverage

Thursday: 4 a.m.-3 p.m. ET on ESPN

Friday: 4 a.m.-3 p.m. ET on ESPN

Saturday: 7 a.m.-2:30 p.m. ET on ESPN

Sunday: 6 a.m.-1:30 p.m. ET on ESPN
Tee Times for Thursday(highlighted a few of the groups)

1:32 a.m. — Thomas Bjorn, Greg Owen, Rod Pampling
1:43 a.m. —Todd Hamilton, Paul Dunne (a), James Hahn
1:54 a.m. — Graham DeLaet, Brian Harman, Russell Knox
2:05 a.m. — Matt Every, Alexander Levy, David Lingmerth
2:16 a.m. — Joost Luiten, Matt Jones, Robert Streb
2:27 a.m. — Anthony Wall, Byeong-Hun An, Jordan Niebrugge (a)
2:38 a.m. — Sandy Lyle, Charley Hoffman, Kevin Na
2:49 a.m. — Retief Goosen, Shane Lowry, Kevin Streelman
3:00 a.m. — Carl Pettersson, Luke Donald, Hunter Mahan
3:11 a.m. — Ross Fisher, Victor Dubuisson, Billy Horschel
3:22 a.m. — Graeme McDowell, Webb Simpson, Oliver Schniederjans (a)
3:33 a.m. — Ernie Els, Tom Watson, Brandt Snedeker
3:44 a.m. — J.B. Holmes, Brendon Todd, Shinji Tomimura
4:00 a.m. — Ian Poulter, Charl Schwartzel, Bubba Watson
4:11 a.m. — Sergio Garcia, Lee Westwood, Patrick Reed
4:22 a.m. — Darren Clarke, Mateo Manassero, Romain Langasque (a)
4:33 a.m. — Dustin Johnson, Hideki Matsuyama, Jordan Spieth
4:44 a.m. — Paul Lawrie, Ryan Palmer, Kevin Kisner
4:55 a.m. — Tiger Woods, Louis Oosthuizen, Jason Day
5:06 a.m. — John Senden, Tadahiro Takayama, Brooks Koepka
5:17 a.m. — David Duval, Stewart Cink, Ben Curtis
5:28 a.m. — Mikko Ilonen, David Howell, Greg Chalmers
5:39 a.m. — Raphael Jacquelin, David Hearn, Eddie Pepperell
5:50 a.m. — Tyrrell Hatton, Scott Arnold, Paul Kinnear (a)
6:01 a.m. — Adam Bland, Gary Boyd, Daniel Brooks
6:12 a.m. — Scott Hend, Jonathan Moore, Ryan Fox
6:33 a.m. — Mark Calcavecchia, Marcel Siem, Jaco Van Zyl
6:44 a.m. — Thomas Aiken, David Lipsky, Jonas Blixt
6:55 a.m. — Soren Kjeldsen, Morgan Hoffmann, Danny Lee
7:06 a.m. — Richie Ramsay, Pablo Larrazabal, Cameron Tringale
7:17 a.m. — Steven Bowditch, Hiroshi Iwata, Ben Martin
7:28 a.m. — George Coetzee, Anirban Lahiri, Rafael Cabrera-Bello
7:39 a.m. — Padraig Harrington, Liang, Wen-Chong, Marc Warren
7:50 a.m. — John Daly, Miguel Angel Jimenez, Jason Dufner
8:01 a.m. — Zach Johnson, Bernd Weisberger, Tommy Fleetwood
8:12 a.m. — Thongchai Jaidee, Danny Willett, Gary Woodland
8:23 a.m. — Geoff Ogilvy, Francesco Molinari, Bill Haas
8:34 a.m. — Mark O'Meara, Russell Henley, Gunn Yang (a)
8:45 a.m. — Bernhard Langer, Tom Lehman, Justin Leonard
9:01 a.m. — Stephen Gallacher. Hiroyuki Fujita, Ryan Moore
9:12 a.m. — Adam Scott, Martin Kaymer, Jimmy Walker
9:23 a.m. — Jamie Donaldson, Yuta Ikeda, Keegan Bradley
9:34 a.m. — Matt Kuchar, Phil Mickelson, Henrik Stenson
9:45 a.m. — Nick Faldo, Justin Rose, Rickie Fowler
9:56 a.m. — Jim Furyk, Paul Casey, Brendan Grace
10:07 a.m. — Harris English, Ashley Chesters (a), Andy Sullivan
10:18 a.m. — Koumei Oda, Marc Leishman, Kiradech Aphibarnrat
10:29 a.m. — Edoardo Molinari, James Morrison, Romain Wattel
10:40 a.m. — Pelle Edberg, Daniel Berger, Mark Young
10:51 a.m. — Brett Rumford, Tom Gillis, Ben Taylor (a)
11:02 a.m. — Marcus Fraser, Scott Strange, Allister Balcombe (a)
11:13 a.m. — Taichi Teshima, Robert Dinwiddie, Rikard Karlberg
 
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anyone messing with a draft king roster for this? I'm definitely going to be throwing a few rosters in for this, just haven't had time yet to look at the price points for the players.

 
Betting line favorites via Bovada(yesterday)

  • Jordan Spieth 5/1
  • Dustin Johnson 11/1
  • Rickie Fowler 16/1
  • Justin Rose 18/1
  • Adam Scott 20/1
  • Henrik Stenson 20/1
  • Louis Oosthuizen 22/1
  • Tiger Woods 25/1
  • Jason Day 28/1
  • Bubba Watson 33/1
  • Hideki Matsuyama 33/1
  • Paul Casey 33/1
  • Phil Mickelson 33/1
  • Sergio Garcia 33/1
  • Martin Kaymer 35/1
  • Shane Lowry 35/1
  • Branden Grace 40/1
  • Brandt Snedeker 40/1
  • Matt Kuchar 45/1
  • Brooks Koepka 50/1
  • Patrick Reed 50/1
  • Jimmy Walker 55/1
  • Tommy Fleetwood 66/1
  • Victor Dubuisson 66/1
  • Bernd Wiesberger 70/1
  • Jim Furyk 70/1
  • Billy Horschel 80/1
  • Charl Schwartzel 80/1
  • Danny Willett 80/1
  • Graeme McDowell 80/1
  • Ian Poulter 80/1
  • J B Holmes 80/1
  • Kevin Kisner 80/1
  • Lee Westwood 80/1
  • Luke Donald 80/1
  • Zach Johnson 80/1
 
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Betting line favorites via Bovada(yesterday)

  • Jordan Spieth 5/1 (obviously)
  • Dustin Johnson 11/1
  • Rickie Fowler 16/1
  • Justin Rose 18/1
  • Adam Scott 20/1
  • Henrik Stenson 20/1
  • Louis Oosthuizen 22/1
  • Tiger Woods 25/1 :lol:
  • Jason Day 28/1
  • Bubba Watson 33/1
  • Hideki Matsuyama 33/1
  • Paul Casey 33/1
  • Phil Mickelson 33/1
  • Sergio Garcia 33/1
  • Martin Kaymer 35/1
  • Shane Lowry 35/1
  • Branden Grace 40/1
  • Brandt Snedeker 40/1
  • Matt Kuchar 45/1
  • Brooks Koepka 50/1
  • Patrick Reed 50/1
  • Jimmy Walker 55/1
  • Tommy Fleetwood 66/1
  • Victor Dubuisson 66/1
  • Bernd Wiesberger 70/1
  • Jim Furyk 70/1
  • Billy Horschel 80/1
  • Charl Schwartzel 80/1
  • Danny Willett 80/1
  • Graeme McDowell 80/1
  • Ian Poulter 80/1
  • J B Holmes 80/1
  • Kevin Kisner 80/1
  • Lee Westwood 80/1
  • Luke Donald 80/1
  • Zach Johnson 80/1
 
My friend is running a pool if anyone wants in.

$200 entry and you pick any four golfers and provide their combined score to par as a tiebreaker. All four must make cut. There are usually 15-20 entries and top 3 pay. No vig.

I am thinking about not picking Spieth because almost every entry will have him. Thoughts?

 
In my fantasy league, where we pick 6 players each week, I'm considering the following (in no particular order)....

DJ - Seems to be in contention in every major lately, and plays well in adverse conditions.

Casey - Playing well as of late. T3 at St. Andrews in 2010.

Stenson - Also T3 in 2010. Another guy who seems like he's always near the top lately, in big tournaments. Has to win a major sooner or later.

Scott - Top 5's in last 3 Open's, not to mention Chambers Bay. Should be in contention, I would think.

Garcia - Has finished in the top 10, more often than not, in the Open. At least in the last 10-15 years. Bad weather might help him contend.

Oosthuizen - Battling injuries, but the fact that he won in 2010, and almost backed into a win at Chambers Bay, makes me think he's worth picking here.

Those are my six as of right now. Considering a few others (Fowler, Phil, Kuchar, Snedeker, Grace). Maybe even Tiger. But, you can make an argument for or against any of these guys, and I think there are far more "against" arguments for Tiger than the guys I'm considering. Unfortunately, we can only pick any golfer 8 times during the season, and I just used Spieth for the 8th and final time (at the John Deere). It was a last-minute decision that paid off (only 3 people took him, and he won), at least for now. If he wins this week, it will hurt me (since our standings are based purely on players' money winnings). The Open pays about double what the JD Classic paid.

 
My friend is running a pool if anyone wants in.

$200 entry and you pick any four golfers and provide their combined score to par as a tiebreaker. All four must make cut. There are usually 15-20 entries and top 3 pay. No vig.

I am thinking about not picking Spieth because almost every entry will have him. Thoughts?
Spieth, DJ, Stenson, & Rose

 
My friend is running a pool if anyone wants in.

$200 entry and you pick any four golfers and provide their combined score to par as a tiebreaker. All four must make cut. There are usually 15-20 entries and top 3 pay. No vig.

I am thinking about not picking Spieth because almost every entry will have him. Thoughts?
Spieth, DJ, Stenson, & Rose
Yeah, Fowler ####ed me in the US Open.

 
My friend is running a pool if anyone wants in.

$200 entry and you pick any four golfers and provide their combined score to par as a tiebreaker. All four must make cut. There are usually 15-20 entries and top 3 pay. No vig.

I am thinking about not picking Spieth because almost every entry will have him. Thoughts?
Well if you look at my link about the weather, I might enter my pool and only use Thurs. afternoon/ Friday morning tee times. That would be based around Justin Rose and Stenson.

This leaves off DJ and Spieth and seperates yourself for better or worse.

 
1. Henrik Stenson (6.34)
2. Sergio Garcia (5.45)
3. Adam Scott (5.12)
4. Paul Casey (3.29)
5. Russell Henley (2.41)
6. Russell Knox (1.92)
7. Jason Dufner (1.85)
8. Kiradech Aphibarnrat (1.76)
9. Carl Pettersson (1.08)
10. Tiger Woods (0.76)

(Total spent: 29.98)

:shrug:

 
Betting line favorites via Bovada(yesterday)

  • Jordan Spieth 5/1
  • Dustin Johnson 11/1
  • Rickie Fowler 16/1
  • Justin Rose 18/1
  • Adam Scott 20/1
  • Henrik Stenson 20/1
  • Louis Oosthuizen 22/1
  • Tiger Woods 25/1
  • Jason Day 28/1
  • Bubba Watson 33/1
  • Hideki Matsuyama 33/1
  • Paul Casey 33/1
  • Phil Mickelson 33/1
  • Sergio Garcia 33/1
  • Martin Kaymer 35/1
  • Shane Lowry 35/1
  • Branden Grace 40/1
  • Brandt Snedeker 40/1
  • Matt Kuchar 45/1
  • Brooks Koepka 50/1
  • Patrick Reed 50/1
  • Jimmy Walker 55/1
  • Tommy Fleetwood 66/1
  • Victor Dubuisson 66/1
  • Bernd Wiesberger 70/1
  • Jim Furyk 70/1
  • Billy Horschel 80/1
  • Charl Schwartzel 80/1
  • Danny Willett 80/1
  • Graeme McDowell 80/1
  • Ian Poulter 80/1
  • J B Holmes 80/1
  • Kevin Kisner 80/1
  • Lee Westwood 80/1
  • Luke Donald 80/1
  • Zach Johnson 80/1
Kisner's playing as well as anyone not named Jordan Speith these days. He played well at the US Open on an Open-y course. Two major drawbacks are that he can't seem to close the deal and that as far as I can tell he's never played this course in a competitive round and most of the rest of the field has. But at 80-1 I'll roll the dice.

 
My friend is running a pool if anyone wants in.

$200 entry and you pick any four golfers and provide their combined score to par as a tiebreaker. All four must make cut. There are usually 15-20 entries and top 3 pay. No vig.

I am thinking about not picking Spieth because almost every entry will have him. Thoughts?
Well if you look at my link about the weather, I might enter my pool and only use Thurs. afternoon/ Friday morning tee times. That would be based around Justin Rose and Stenson.

This leaves off DJ and Spieth and seperates yourself for better or worse.
Spieth is really turning into something special. Regardless of weather, if you're picking top 4, you can't leave this guy off your list. Everyone will have him, but odds are, the guys who don't and picked someone else probably picked a guy who wound up with a worse score.

 
My friend is running a pool if anyone wants in.

$200 entry and you pick any four golfers and provide their combined score to par as a tiebreaker. All four must make cut. There are usually 15-20 entries and top 3 pay. No vig.

I am thinking about not picking Spieth because almost every entry will have him. Thoughts?
I'm tempted. That's a little more than I would normally throw into a golf pool, but it sounds like a fun format.

As far as Spieth goes, I think it would be a gutsy move. Hard to say. My gut feeling is that he doesn't win this week, if for no other reason than he's not all that familiar with the course, and it's a course that takes some time to become acclimated to. In other words, you're not going to learn everything you need to know about St. Andrews in a practice round or two.

Spieth took some heat for playing last week, but the reality is that he's a longshot to win The Open, regardless of whether he played last week or not. In other words, even the favorite is still up against a pretty tough field, many of which have more experience at this course than he does. So, I think he just A) wanted to keep his commitment and B) realizes that winning this week is going to be challenging regardless of what he did last week. Not to mention, I think he enjoyed the challenge (last week) of proving people wrong. And, he recognized that he had a much greater chance of winning the JD Classic, than he does winning his third major in a row. If it happens, it happens. But, either way, at least he already has last week's win in the books. Now, he can focus on (again) proving the naysayers wrong.

If I had to pick four, with no limit/stipulations on who I could pick, it would be hard not to take him. But, I don't think it's quite as much of a no-brainer as it was for the Masters or U.S. Open. This is a different beast. One he is certainly capable of winning, but he's obviously the favorite based on how he's played at other venues, not because of history at this event/course.

 
1. Henrik Stenson (6.34)

2. Sergio Garcia (5.45)

3. Adam Scott (5.12)

4. Paul Casey (3.29)

5. Russell Henley (2.41)

6. Russell Knox (1.92)

7. Jason Dufner (1.85)

8. Kiradech Aphibarnrat (1.76)

9. Carl Pettersson (1.08)

10. Tiger Woods (0.76)

(Total spent: 29.98)



:shrug:
PM me the sheet. I'll give it a once over. I actually love the Tiger Woods pick.

:bag:

 
My friend is running a pool if anyone wants in.

$200 entry and you pick any four golfers and provide their combined score to par as a tiebreaker. All four must make cut. There are usually 15-20 entries and top 3 pay. No vig.

I am thinking about not picking Spieth because almost every entry will have him. Thoughts?
Well if you look at my link about the weather, I might enter my pool and only use Thurs. afternoon/ Friday morning tee times. That would be based around Justin Rose and Stenson.

This leaves off DJ and Spieth and seperates yourself for better or worse.
Spieth is really turning into something special. Regardless of weather, if you're picking top 4, you can't leave this guy off your list. Everyone will have him, but odds are, the guys who don't and picked someone else probably picked a guy who wound up with a worse score.
I tend to agree. If you take him, you at least have a shot of winning (if he does well). If you don't (and he finishes in contention), you have almost no shot (unless you pick guys who do better). The key is picking guys who are least likely to miss the cut. Safe plays, but still guys who can win. That eliminates guys like Tiger (no idea what he might do this week), and to some degree, even Fowler (just my opinion). Coming off of his win at Sawgrass, Fowler missed the cut at the Memorial, followed by a terrible MC at the U.S. Open. I wouldn't be surprised to see another letdown this week. He's certainly capable of playing well this week, but still seems to be somewhat up and down. Maybe he parties too hard with that girlfriend of his after a win? Not sure.

 
1. Henrik Stenson (6.34)

2. Sergio Garcia (5.45)

3. Adam Scott (5.12)

4. Paul Casey (3.29)

5. Russell Henley (2.41)

6. Russell Knox (1.92)

7. Jason Dufner (1.85)

8. Kiradech Aphibarnrat (1.76)

9. Carl Pettersson (1.08)

10. Tiger Woods (0.76)

(Total spent: 29.98)



:shrug:
PM me the sheet. I'll give it a once over.I actually love the Tiger Woods pick.

:bag:
For that price, I don't see why you wouldn't take Tiger, frankly. Little risk, lots of potential reward if he has a good week. I'd take him over anybody on that list, outside of the top 4.

 
How has Justin Rose been playing? He's obviously one of the favorites.
He's been up and down. When he's up, he wins majors. When he's down, he's middle-of-the-pack. My biggest reservation with him is that, if I'm not mistaken, The Open hasn't been his strongest tournament. In fact, he hasn't been in contention much at all. Obviously, it's not always at the same course, and he's gotten better in the last couple of years. I'm still not sure he would be in my top 10 picks, though. Maybe, but just barely, if at all.

 
In his last 5 Open's, Rose has 3 missed cuts (including St. Andrews in 2010), a T23 last year, and a T44 in 2011. In a total of 13 Open Championships, he has ONE top ten (and that was a T4 in his very first Open, in 1998 at Royal Birkdale).

I'm not saying that he can't win it, or that he won't be in contention, but the numbers tend to indicate that he struggles in this tournament. I don't know the reason for it. Maybe not a very good player in bad weather?

 
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Sergio

Spieth

Stenson

DJ

?
Not a bad four at all. Sergio has been almost the opposite of Rose... in contention pretty regularly. Since 2001, Sergio has 8 top-ten's at the Open, including 4 top-five's and a pair of runner-up finishes (one of which was last year). At St. Andrews, he's finished 36th in 2000, 5th in 2005, and 14th in 2010. He's not the best putter, a disadvantage that can be neutralized by bad weather, to some degree.

Spieth is pretty much a no-brainer, at least on paper.

Stenson hasn't missed a cut at the Open since 2007, and has finished 2nd or 3rd in 3 of the last 6 that he's played. In fact, the pattern appears to be that he finished top-three every other Open, which would be a good indicator for this one (finished 2nd in 2013). Also finished 3rd the last time it was played at this course.

DJ - Like I said earlier, he's another near no-brainer, based on how he's played in majors lately. Links courses and bad weather seem to suit his game well, for some reason. Another guy whose putting is not his strong suit.

 
In his last 5 Open's, Rose has 3 missed cuts (including St. Andrews in 2010), a T23 last year, and a T44 in 2011. In a total of 13 Open Championships, he has ONE top ten (and that was a T4 in his very first Open, in 1998 at Royal Birkdale).

I'm not saying that he can't win it, or that he won't be in contention, but the numbers tend to indicate that he struggles in this tournament. I don't know the reason for it. Maybe not a very good player in bad weather?
Easy toss IMO

Thanks

 
Sergio

Spieth

Stenson

DJ

?
Not a bad four at all. Sergio has been almost the opposite of Rose... in contention pretty regularly. Since 2001, Sergio has 8 top-ten's at the Open, including 4 top-five's and a pair of runner-up finishes (one of which was last year). At St. Andrews, he's finished 36th in 2000, 5th in 2005, and 14th in 2010. He's not the best putter, a disadvantage that can be neutralized by bad weather, to some degree.

Spieth is pretty much a no-brainer, at least on paper.

Stenson hasn't missed a cut at the Open since 2007, and has finished 2nd or 3rd in 3 of the last 6 that he's played. In fact, the pattern appears to be that he finished top-three every other Open, which would be a good indicator for this one (finished 2nd in 2013). Also finished 3rd the last time it was played at this course.

DJ - Like I said earlier, he's another near no-brainer, based on how he's played in majors lately. Links courses and bad weather seem to suit his game well, for some reason. Another guy whose putting is not his strong suit.
Thanks.

Just an idea--if you're interested in the pool, I'd be open to entering two entries where we each have half a share.

Tiger said he thought scores would be lower this Open than last time. Greens are slower apparently.

 
Has Sergio ever closed anything?
In terms of majors, no. But, he's been close a bunch. He has, however, won 20+ tournaments worldwide, including 8 on the PGA tour. Biggest win was probably the Players Championship, but he's also won some big ones in Europe, I believe.

Depends on the format. If we're picking guys that we think will finish high, he'd be on my short list. If we're looking for the winner, he's still high on the list, but maybe not quite as high. I also think he's a pretty safe bet to make the cut, based on his history.

 
Sergio

Spieth

Stenson

DJ

?
Not a bad four at all. Sergio has been almost the opposite of Rose... in contention pretty regularly. Since 2001, Sergio has 8 top-ten's at the Open, including 4 top-five's and a pair of runner-up finishes (one of which was last year). At St. Andrews, he's finished 36th in 2000, 5th in 2005, and 14th in 2010. He's not the best putter, a disadvantage that can be neutralized by bad weather, to some degree.

Spieth is pretty much a no-brainer, at least on paper.

Stenson hasn't missed a cut at the Open since 2007, and has finished 2nd or 3rd in 3 of the last 6 that he's played. In fact, the pattern appears to be that he finished top-three every other Open, which would be a good indicator for this one (finished 2nd in 2013). Also finished 3rd the last time it was played at this course.

DJ - Like I said earlier, he's another near no-brainer, based on how he's played in majors lately. Links courses and bad weather seem to suit his game well, for some reason. Another guy whose putting is not his strong suit.
Thanks.

Just an idea--if you're interested in the pool, I'd be open to entering two entries where we each have half a share.

Tiger said he thought scores would be lower this Open than last time. Greens are slower apparently.
Let me think about it. I have a bunch of stuff going on right now (moving, new baby, etc.), but I'm REALLY tempted. If I enter the pool, though, I might just prefer to make one entry. I don't have much luck doing multiple entries in pools (like NCAA hoops)... tend to have good and bad parts in both/all of them, and nothing that ends up winning. :lol:

 
No particular order to my liking this week

Casey

DJ

Furyk

Stenson

Hard to go against Spieth but I have a feeling he comes back down to earth this week and this is just the course to do it to him.

 
What about Scott? Should he be in the top 4?
Obviously, you can make arguments both for and against. But, the arguments for are pretty strong. He's finished in the top 5 (2nd, T3, T5) in the last three Open's. Of course, none of those were at St. Andrews. And, prior to 2012, his first dozen Open's were pretty mediocre... Four missed cuts, just one top-ten, and six finishes in the 25th to 47th range. A lot of that was prior to his emergence as one of the best in the world, obviously, so I tend to think that the more recent history has more value than what he did 5-10 (or more) years ago. But, it's still a mixed bag of results.

All things considered, I think he's on the cusp of being top-four. Definitely top ten, and like I said earlier, if I had to decide right now, he's one of my top six. But, that also doesn't include Spieth (who I can't pick), and 2-10 are all pretty close (if Spieth is indeed #1).

 
I know I mentioned it here before, but I've got a week-long pass to the PGA next month. We're leaving (Twin Cities) on Tuesday, arriving sometime Wednesday morning to catch part of the practice rounds, check out the course, etc. Then, watching the tournament Thursday through Saturday. Unfortunately, we have to get back by Sunday morning, so we're selling the Sunday tickets. Still, it should be a blast, and we can probably pay for a good chunk of our $300/night hotel room with the cash we'll get from those tickets. I'm going with a couple of friends (high school buddies) that I see maybe once or twice a year, if that, so it's one of those once-in-a-lifetime (or at least once every few years) type of trips.

 
Has Sergio ever closed anything?
In terms of majors, no. But, he's been close a bunch. He has, however, won 20+ tournaments worldwide, including 8 on the PGA tour. Biggest win was probably the Players Championship, but he's also won some big ones in Europe, I believe.

Depends on the format. If we're picking guys that we think will finish high, he'd be on my short list. If we're looking for the winner, he's still high on the list, but maybe not quite as high. I also think he's a pretty safe bet to make the cut, based on his history.
True enough. He doesn't have a closer's mentality in a tournament like this. If he's leading or he's close he'll end up talking 3 shots to get out of a bunker at some point to take himself out of it.

 

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