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Current draft order:

1. Carolina

2. Cincinnati

3. Denver

4. Detroit

5. Buffalo

A few notes:

1. Carolina might become a very desirable job if they end up with the number 1 pick. Fire Fox, draft Luck, team him with Jonathan Stewart and Goodson, and you might get coaches MUCH more interested in that job.

2. If Cincinnati loses out, where do they go in the draft? This team has a ton of talent already, in my opinion, but is poorly coached. Cincy needs a coaching overhaul in a big way. They've been in alot of games against alot of top teams.

3. McDaniels just destroyed this franchise, in my opinion. Their defense is pretty horrible now, and whatever coach is hired has a ton of work to do. Lots of young talent on offense, so hopefully they'll get a stud defender early in the draft.

4. Detroit -- Detroit has young talent too, and is not as bad as their record indicates. I would think Schwartz will add to that defense, or trade down and amass more picks. I'm sure Schwartz isn't too happy with their record, but getting another top rookie will take the sting out of that.

On the outside looking in:

Arizona and Dallas...Arizona really killed themself with a win last week. Yeah it's good to win, but they really need a young stud QB badly, and have fallen too far down to compete for Luck.

 

[Koya]

With the looming issue re: lockout, this could be an interesting draft. Lets be positive and assume things DO get worked out in time for the draft (or a draft that may be delayed but to occur before the next season begins). For the first time in a LONG time, it may be a good thing to have a top pick, or a top 5-10 pick.

In recent years, the huge guaranteed contracts have killed the value of those top draft spots - if you guessed wrong, thats a lot of cap space eaten by a young bust (especially if its a marquee position like QB where the dollars have been off the charts). If they get a more reasonable rookie scale here, you could see a lot more attempts to trade up in the draft as opposed to the past where it may have been preferable to have a couple low first rounders or first/second rounders than a top 10 pick.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

1. Carolina might become a very desirable job if they end up with the number 1 pick. Fire Fox, draft Luck, team him with Jonathan Stewart and Goodson, and you might get coaches MUCH more interested in that job.

If? They'd likely have to win 2 games to move out of the top spot, and they have a very tough schedule remaining.

 

[Ralph's Plantation]

It would be good for the Bills if they could simply lose the next 3 games and assuming Luck declares and comes out, perhaps Cam Newton falls to them.

 

[tdhartis]

Luck isn't going to come out for the draft.

 

[road warrior]

Sorry to say, we dropped out of this race a couple weeks back. Ugh.

 

[Crippler]

Arizona and Dallas...Arizona really killed themself with a win last week. Yeah it's good to win, but they really need a young stud QB badly, and have fallen too far down to compete for Luck.

I disagree with this totally. I think Skelton showed a ton of promise this week and played fairly well and I believe they have there QB of the future. Outside of Luck, I would prefer to have Skelton and fill other needs as they have a few.

 

[vandyt]

It would be good for the Bills if they could simply lose the next 3 games and assuming Luck declares and comes out, perhaps Cam Newton falls to them.

Exactly how high are you thinking Newton will go?

 

[Wet Doggg]

It would be good for the Bills if they could simply lose the next 3 games and assuming Luck declares and comes out, perhaps Cam Newton falls to them.

Exactly how high are you thinking Newton will go?

I agree...most of the drat experts consider him a "project" and middle of the first round at best. More like late first into second round.

 

[Ralph's Plantation]

It would be good for the Bills if they could simply lose the next 3 games and assuming Luck declares and comes out, perhaps Cam Newton falls to them.

Exactly how high are you thinking Newton will go?

I agree...most of the drat experts consider him a "project" and middle of the first round at best. More like late first into second round.

I think that is and was the thinking, but if he impressively leads Auburn to a BCS Championship and then goes to the Combine and puts up huge measurables, I can see him being drafted in the top 5.The NFL is a copycat league and you need to factor what Michael Vick is also doing to Newton's value.

Newton is no small running college QB with a weak arm.

 

[Hoosier16]

1. Carolina might become a very desirable job if they end up with the number 1 pick. Fire Fox, draft Luck, team him with Jonathan Stewart and Goodson, and you might get coaches MUCH more interested in that job.

If? They'd likely have to win 2 games to move out of the top spot, and they have a very tough schedule remaining.

If they are tied with Cincy, I'm pretty sure it goes to schedule strength, not head to head. Currently, Carolina's opponents (the entire schedule) have 121 wins and Cincy' have 120, giving Cincy a weaker schedule and the tiebreaker. Obviously, a lot can change in the last 3 weeks.If Carolina can beat Arizona next week, it could get very interesting.

 

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Arizona and Dallas...Arizona really killed themself with a win last week. Yeah it's good to win, but they really need a young stud QB badly, and have fallen too far down to compete for Luck.

I disagree with this totally. I think Skelton showed a ton of promise this week and played fairly well and I believe they have there QB of the future. Outside of Luck, I would prefer to have Skelton and fill other needs as they have a few.

If they go with Skelton long term... That is bad news for Cards fans.

 

[5Rings]

Luck isn't going to come out for the draft.

Any particular reason why you say this? Hadn't heard anything locally about this year....btw, as the new 49er GM, I'm gonna Mike Ditka my entire draft for Luck. Interested, Carolina?

 

[relic]

Luck isn't going to come out for the draft.

Any particular reason why you say this? Hadn't heard anything locally about this year....btw, as the new 49er GM, I'm gonna Mike Ditka my entire draft for Luck. Interested, Carolina?

Um, no.Carolina hires Harbaugh and he drafts Luck.

 

[5Rings]

Luck isn't going to come out for the draft.

Any particular reason why you say this? Hadn't heard anything locally about this year....btw, as the new 49er GM, I'm gonna Mike Ditka my entire draft for Luck. Interested, Carolina?

Um, no.

Carolina SF hires Harbaugh and he drafts Luck.

i have a feeling this will be a popular plan this offseason.

 

[Futz]

Luck isn't going to come out for the draft.

Any particular reason why you say this? Hadn't heard anything locally about this year....btw, as the new 49er GM, I'm gonna Mike Ditka my entire draft for Luck. Interested, Carolina?

Um, no.

Carolina SF hires Harbaugh and he drafts Luck.

i have a feeling this will be a popular plan this offseason.

The inherant problem here is that he'll coaching the University of Michigan in 2011.

 

[ScottyDog]

a lot

Current draft order:

1. Carolina

2. Cincinnati

3. Denver

4. Detroit

5. Buffalo

A few notes:

1. Carolina might become a very desirable job if they end up with the number 1 pick. Fire Fox, draft Luck, team him with Jonathan Stewart and Goodson, and you might get coaches MUCH more interested in that job.

2. If Cincinnati loses out, where do they go in the draft? This team has a ton of talent already, in my opinion, but is poorly coached. Cincy needs a coaching overhaul in a big way. They've been in alot of games against alot of top teams.

3. McDaniels just destroyed this franchise, in my opinion. Their defense is pretty horrible now, and whatever coach is hired has a ton of work to do. Lots of young talent on offense, so hopefully they'll get a stud defender early in the draft.

4. Detroit -- Detroit has young talent too, and is not as bad as their record indicates. I would think Schwartz will add to that defense, or trade down and amass more picks. I'm sure Schwartz isn't too happy with their record, but getting another top rookie will take the sting out of that.

On the outside looking in:

Arizona and Dallas...Arizona really killed themself with a win last week. Yeah it's good to win, but they really need a young stud QB badly, and have fallen too far down to compete for Luck.

 

[pantherclub]

I heard on one radio show today the draft may go like this if Newton has a great combine.

1. Carolina - Luck - Come on now, even the Panthers cannot screw this up

2. CIncy - Newton

3.-5 AZ picks Mallet somewhere here

around pick 10ish - Locker goes

so you have 4 qbs in the top 10 more or less

Why wouldnt luck go out? Thats crazy talk especially if his coach leaves which everyone under the sun expects. I would love to have the combo in Charlotte but the local scuttlebutt is that its Russ Grimms job to lose

 

[Runningman]

Weare probably to far behind in the race but Denver soooo deserves it.

 

[bro1ncos]

Well the Broncos have a history (last couple years anyways) of losing lots of games down the stretch. Will they screw things up this year by winning in December? I hope not.

 

[Anarchy99]

The Pats already have two first round picks and also own the Panthers second round pick, so they will have 3 of the top 33 picks unless the Panthers can beat either the Cardinals, Steelers, or Falcons.

 

[Hoosier16]

The Pats already have two first round picks and also own the Panthers second round pick, so they will have 3 of the top 33 picks unless the Panthers can beat either the Cardinals, Steelers, or Falcons.

Arizona is a definite possibility and so might Atlanta if Atlanta wins the next 2 games. That would give them a 2 game lead over anyone else in the NFC for home field, possibly leading them to sit a lot of their starters for the last game against Carolina. Of course, they can probably beat Carolina with their backups.

 

[Eastwood]

its too bad Clausen sucks because the Panthers have so many needs they need to address. But taking Luck is the no brainer move for them. I just wonder if D-Will returns. Isn't he an unrestricted FA?

 

[BobbyLayne]

If Detroit beats the Bucs, they will have their first winning steak of any length AND their first road win in three plus years. To my way of thinking, changing the culture of losing is a helluva lot more important than a top 5 pick.

They have enough talent on the roster right now to be a playoff contender. With better in game coaching, clock management, and a couple of questionable penalties that went the wrong way, they're over .500 and contending for a WC. This is not to say they don't have holes to fill (O-line, LB); but I would much rather have them go through this month winning ball games.

I feel like fans and fantasy footballers don't appreciate how important it is to finish a season strong regardless of where you are in the standings. We see it all the time - teams who are out of the playoff race get their attitudes straightened out in the last 4-6 games, win some games, get some confidence, and it carries over into the next season.

It is a basic fundamental of life that success breeds success. When you're faced with a challenge you recall how you reacted to adversity in the past, and when you have positive experiences to draw upon, the next obstacle is that much easier to overcome.

Cute discussion, but I would gladly accept the 8th/10th/12th pick if it meant Schwartz got the team to believe in itself. Regardless if whether we finish with four or five or six wins, we'll find a quality player to fill a need simply because we have lots of holes to fill.

Seven games this season have been decided by five points or less, and yesterday was the first time they won any of those. Talent aside, what that team needs more than anything is to learn how to win.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

1. Carolina might become a very desirable job if they end up with the number 1 pick. Fire Fox, draft Luck, team him with Jonathan Stewart and Goodson, and you might get coaches MUCH more interested in that job.

If? They'd likely have to win 2 games to move out of the top spot, and they have a very tough schedule remaining.

If they are tied with Cincy, I'm pretty sure it goes to schedule strength, not head to head. Currently, Carolina's opponents (the entire schedule) have 121 wins and Cincy' have 120, giving Cincy a weaker schedule and the tiebreaker. Obviously, a lot can change in the last 3 weeks.If Carolina can beat Arizona next week, it could get very interesting.

I don't expect them to be tied, though. I think the odds are well above 50/50 that Carolina loses out. I think the odds are above 50/50 that Cincy wins one more.

 

[cvnpoka]

carolina is a favored by 2.5 pts this week so id say their chances of winning 1 game is indeed above 50%. also, if falcons beat the saints in week 16 there is good chance they rest players in the final week vs carolina with the top seed all locked up.

 

[tdhartis]

Luck isn't going to come out for the draft.

Any particular reason why you say this? Hadn't heard anything locally about this year....btw, as the new 49er GM, I'm gonna Mike Ditka my entire draft for Luck. Interested, Carolina?

I know him personally from highschool. Hewent to Stanford for the education over everything else and I would be absolutely shocked if he went into the draft before getting his degree after talking to some of his closer friends. Take it for what it's worth.

 

[Spin]

3. McDaniels just destroyed this franchise, in my opinion. Their defense is pretty horrible now, and whatever coach is hired has a ton of work to do. Lots of young talent on offense, so hopefully they'll get a stud defender early in the draft.

FWIW, their defense is a completely different unit with Dumervil, losing him was devastating. Wonder if they'd take Peterson.

 

[pantherclub]

Luck isn't going to come out for the draft.

Any particular reason why you say this? Hadn't heard anything locally about this year....btw, as the new 49er GM, I'm gonna Mike Ditka my entire draft for Luck. Interested, Carolina?

I know him personally from highschool. Hewent to Stanford for the education over everything else and I would be absolutely shocked if he went into the draft before getting his degree after talking to some of his closer friends. Take it for what it's worth.

He would be the #1 pick, that seems to change all sorts of standards in today's world. He would easily be guaranteed at least 50 million for coming out this year. Not too sure how smart that would be to pass that up.

 

[mcintyre1]

Luck isn't going to come out for the draft.

Any particular reason why you say this? Hadn't heard anything locally about this year....btw, as the new 49er GM, I'm gonna Mike Ditka my entire draft for Luck. Interested, Carolina?

I know him personally from highschool. Hewent to Stanford for the education over everything else and I would be absolutely shocked if he went into the draft before getting his degree after talking to some of his closer friends. Take it for what it's worth.

He would be the #1 pick, that seems to change all sorts of standards in today's world. He would easily be guaranteed at least 50 million for coming out this year. Not too sure how smart that would be to pass that up.

Exactly. He can always go back to Stanford and finish that degree. He might not always be the #1 overall pick in the NFL.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

It would be good for the Bills if they could simply lose the next 3 games and assuming Luck declares and comes out, perhaps Cam Newton falls to them.

Exactly how high are you thinking Newton will go?

I agree...most of the drat experts consider him a "project" and middle of the first round at best. More like late first into second round.

I think that is and was the thinking, but if he impressively leads Auburn to a BCS Championship and then goes to the Combine and puts up huge measurables, I can see him being drafted in the top 5.The NFL is a copycat league and you need to factor what Michael Vick is also doing to Newton's value.

Newton is no small running college QB with a weak arm.

Newton is probably the biggest character concern out of anyone in college football. I feel bad for any NFL team that drafts him and they better be ready for a lengthy holdout no matter what number he gets picked at. Him and his father are gonna want 1.1 money even if he gets taken in the 2nd round. That's just how he is. (and yes, he knew exactly what his daddy was doing, don't be fooled)And Newton and Vick are nothing alike. Newton isn't even as good of a runner as Vince Young.

If the Bills draft Newton I will be very disappointed. We need a QB but something tells me after he gets his big rookie contract that he might pull a Jamarcus Russell. I would much rather us take Mallett.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Luck isn't going to come out for the draft.

Any particular reason why you say this? Hadn't heard anything locally about this year....btw, as the new 49er GM, I'm gonna Mike Ditka my entire draft for Luck. Interested, Carolina?

I know him personally from highschool. Hewent to Stanford for the education over everything else and I would be absolutely shocked if he went into the draft before getting his degree after talking to some of his closer friends. Take it for what it's worth.

You go to college so you can have a better career and earn more money. Being the #1 pick is the best move for his career and his wallet.

 

[DiStefano]

Right now Detroit is a team on the way up. But their future lies with Stafford and Calvin Johnson, and having a good running game. They'd better shore up that o-line.

 

[Sabertooth]

Who is the top RB this year? Is it still Ingram?

 

[spider321]

Are we sure that Cam Newton is willing to take the pay cut and go to the NFL?

 

[shader]

Who is the top RB this year? Is it still Ingram?

I'd say so, although I fully expect Ingram to get "dinged" for his speed after he runs a 4.55 or so and drop to the bottom of the top ten.Ingram is the most complete back since ADP, imo.

 

[Insein]

The NFC west has the best of both worlds. You have a shot for the playoffs at 5-8 and if you don't make it, you still get a top 10 draft pick. Its all collusion by those 4 teams. They know what they're doing!

 

[Spike]

If Detroit beats the Bucs, they will have their first winning steak of any length AND their first road win in three plus years. To my way of thinking, changing the culture of losing is a helluva lot more important than a top 5 pick.

They have enough talent on the roster right now to be a playoff contender. With better in game coaching, clock management, and a couple of questionable penalties that went the wrong way, they're over .500 and contending for a WC. This is not to say they don't have holes to fill (O-line, LB); but I would much rather have them go through this month winning ball games.

I feel like fans and fantasy footballers don't appreciate how important it is to finish a season strong regardless of where you are in the standings. We see it all the time - teams who are out of the playoff race get their attitudes straightened out in the last 4-6 games, win some games, get some confidence, and it carries over into the next season.

It is a basic fundamental of life that success breeds success. When you're faced with a challenge you recall how you reacted to adversity in the past, and when you have positive experiences to draw upon, the next obstacle is that much easier to overcome.

Cute discussion, but I would gladly accept the 8th/10th/12th pick if it meant Schwartz got the team to believe in itself. Regardless if whether we finish with four or five or six wins, we'll find a quality player to fill a need simply because we have lots of holes to fill.

Seven games this season have been decided by five points or less, and yesterday was the first time they won any of those. Talent aside, what that team needs more than anything is to learn how to win.

Very

 

[FavreCo]

It would be good for the Bills if they could simply lose the next 3 games and assuming Luck declares and comes out, perhaps Cam Newton falls to them.

Exactly how high are you thinking Newton will go?

I agree...most of the drat experts consider him a "project" and middle of the first round at best. More like late first into second round.

I think that is and was the thinking, but if he impressively leads Auburn to a BCS Championship and then goes to the Combine and puts up huge measurables, I can see him being drafted in the top 5.The NFL is a copycat league and you need to factor what Michael Vick is also doing to Newton's value.

Newton is no small running college QB with a weak arm.

Newton is probably the biggest character concern out of anyone in college football. I feel bad for any NFL team that drafts him and they better be ready for a lengthy holdout no matter what number he gets picked at. Him and his father are gonna want 1.1 money even if he gets taken in the 2nd round. That's just how he is. (and yes, he knew exactly what his daddy was doing, don't be fooled)And Newton and Vick are nothing alike. Newton isn't even as good of a runner as Vince Young.

If the Bills draft Newton I will be very disappointed. We need a QB but something tells me after he gets his big rookie contract that he might pull a Jamarcus Russell. I would much rather us take Mallett.

Newton is a bust in the making. He will go to a team with poor NFL talent evaluation.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If the Bills draft Newton I will be very disappointed. We need a QB but something tells me after he gets his big rookie contract that he might pull a Jamarcus Russell. I would much rather us take Mallett.

Newton is a bust in the making. He will go to a team with poor NFL talent evaluation.

In other words, welcome to Buffalo.

 

[atl3695]

Newton is probably the biggest character concern out of anyone in college football. I feel bad for any NFL team that drafts him and they better be ready for a lengthy holdout no matter what number he gets picked at. Him and his father are gonna want 1.1 money even if he gets taken in the 2nd round. That's just how he is. (and yes, he knew exactly what his daddy was doing, don't be fooled)

And Newton and Vick are nothing alike. Newton isn't even as good of a runner as Vince Young.

If the Bills draft Newton I will be very disappointed. We need a QB but something tells me after he gets his big rookie contract that he might pull a Jamarcus Russell. I would much rather us take Mallett.

Lot of speculation in this post. He is FAR from the biggest character concern in college. Besides your complete guess about whether or not he know what his father was doing, what character issues do you see? If all players who get money from agents/boosters have character issues, you gotta include half of the top players on most Top 50 D-1 programs.

 

[Tchula]

just my 2 cents, but every team mentioned needs o line help. A pick at almost any other position is a waste. It'll never work out that way, but just saying.

 

[Sinrman]

If Detroit beats the Bucs, they will have their first winning steak of any length AND their first road win in three plus years. To my way of thinking, changing the culture of losing is a helluva lot more important than a top 5 pick.

They have enough talent on the roster right now to be a playoff contender. With better in game coaching, clock management, and a couple of questionable penalties that went the wrong way, they're over .500 and contending for a WC. This is not to say they don't have holes to fill (O-line, LB); but I would much rather have them go through this month winning ball games.

I feel like fans and fantasy footballers don't appreciate how important it is to finish a season strong regardless of where you are in the standings. We see it all the time - teams who are out of the playoff race get their attitudes straightened out in the last 4-6 games, win some games, get some confidence, and it carries over into the next season.

It is a basic fundamental of life that success breeds success. When you're faced with a challenge you recall how you reacted to adversity in the past, and when you have positive experiences to draw upon, the next obstacle is that much easier to overcome.

Cute discussion, but I would gladly accept the 8th/10th/12th pick if it meant Schwartz got the team to believe in itself. Regardless if whether we finish with four or five or six wins, we'll find a quality player to fill a need simply because we have lots of holes to fill.

Seven games this season have been decided by five points or less, and yesterday was the first time they won any of those. Talent aside, what that team needs more than anything is to learn how to win.

Agree with you for the most part. I think that the top priority needs to be O-line. We HAVE to get some top line talent or at least top vets on that line to keep Stafford upright. Although Hill lookedgood when he subbed in, he is not the answer. We have to keep our franchise QB alive and healthy. We do indeed have talent that could get us ever-closer to the playoffs NOW. Just need to fill

some more holes on defense (though a drastic improvement, we are still giving up too many points), and a few other holes on offense.

 

[IVNACATES]

Newton is probably the biggest character concern out of anyone in college football. I feel bad for any NFL team that drafts him and they better be ready for a lengthy holdout no matter what number he gets picked at. Him and his father are gonna want 1.1 money even if he gets taken in the 2nd round. That's just how he is. (and yes, he knew exactly what his daddy was doing, don't be fooled)

And Newton and Vick are nothing alike. Newton isn't even as good of a runner as Vince Young.

If the Bills draft Newton I will be very disappointed. We need a QB but something tells me after he gets his big rookie contract that he might pull a Jamarcus Russell. I would much rather us take Mallett.

Lot of speculation in this post. He is FAR from the biggest character concern in college. Besides your complete guess about whether or not he know what his father was doing, what character issues do you see? If all players who get money from agents/boosters have character issues, you gotta include half of the top players on most Top 50 D-1 programs.

I could be mistaken, but didn't he get in trouble for petty theft, or receiving stolen property. I seem to recall something like that. I would tend to agree that a lot of top D-1 talent get some form of "benefits", but flat out shopping your son, or yourself as the case may be, is beyond normal I would think. While this doesn't gaurentee character issues, it should raise some flags, and I would think the point of top money expectations no matter when picked is probably dead on.BTW, look into research done on lie detecting by body language and re-watch his interview. It's not an exact science, but you'll see a lot more in the interview than initially meets the eye.

 

[dickey moe]

Are we sure that Cam Newton is willing to take the pay cut and go to the NFL?

lol

 

[SproutDaddy]

It would be good for the Bills if they could simply lose the next 3 games and assuming Luck declares and comes out, perhaps Cam Newton falls to them.

What exactly is wrong with Fitzpatrick at this point? I'd think that the Bill's would adress other needs. Newton would be a huge mistake with a top 5 pick. Not a believer he will be special at the next level.....same as Tebow.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

If the Bills draft Newton I will be very disappointed. We need a QB but something tells me after he gets his big rookie contract that he might pull a Jamarcus Russell. I would much rather us take Mallett.

Newton is a bust in the making. He will go to a team with poor NFL talent evaluation.

In other words, welcome to Buffalo.

Unless Cincinnati pulls the trigger first. I hope the Bills don't take either Mallet or Newton. Both seem to have a lot of growing up to do imo. Unfortunately Luck doesn't appear to be an option either so the Bills are once again SOL. I have zero faith in Locker or Ponder. Locker just doesn't look consistent enough and Ponder doesn't look to have an NFL caliber arm for a wind tunnel like the Ralph. If the Bills get a qb, it will be either a smaller school project or a late round pick which means Fitz's job will be safe for a while.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Newton is a bust in the making. He will go to a team with poor NFL talent evaluation.

Who dey?

-QG

 

[Obie Wan]

It would be good for the Bills if they could simply lose the next 3 games and assuming Luck declares and comes out, perhaps Cam Newton falls to them.

What exactly is wrong with Fitzpatrick at this point? I'd think that the Bill's would adress other needs. Newton would be a huge mistake with a top 5 pick. Not a believer he will be special at the next level.....same as Tebow.

Bills will probably trade for Tebow at a big discountChan really wants to run the spread and needs a trigger-man.

 

[QuizGuy66]

It would be good for the Bills if they could simply lose the next 3 games and assuming Luck declares and comes out, perhaps Cam Newton falls to them.

What exactly is wrong with Fitzpatrick at this point? I'd think that the Bill's would adress other needs. Newton would be a huge mistake with a top 5 pick. Not a believer he will be special at the next level.....same as Tebow.

Bills will probably trade for Tebow at a big discountChan really wants to run the spread and needs a trigger-man.

Buffalo s them some Fitzpatrick. It's been nice to see him get a chance and he's played pretty well but he's not exactly a guy that screams long-term solution at that position.-QG