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the over/under for Dallas at Chicago is 42 (1 Viewer)

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9/23 8:15 ET At Chicago -3 Dallas 42

am I the only one that finds that ridiculous?

the Cowboys might have a high powered offense but come on...this is AT Chicago....and Grossman can't score to save his life...the over/under should be closer to 32 IMO...

this makes no sense to me....this is where I think you get an edge by being a fan and knowing that Dallas probably won't rack up over 24 pts.

If Romo can score 3 TDs against that defense then I am sold on him and I am ready to crown him.

 
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9/23 8:15 ET At Chicago -3 Dallas 42

am I the only one that finds that ridiculous?

the Cowboys might have a high powered offense but come on...this is AT Chicago....and Grossman can't score to save his life...the over/under should be closer to 32 IMO...

this makes no sense to me....this is where I think you get an edge by being a fan and knowing that Dallas probably won't rack up over 24 pts.

If Romo can score 3 TDs against that defense then I am sold on him and I am ready to crown him.
Chicago scored lots of points at times LAST season - and dont forget the possibility of turnovers creating short fields . . .

 
CHI gave up 10 to KC and another was negated by an illegal formation. DALL is five times the offense KC is.

I see no reason DAL doesn't win this game around 24-21

 
CHI gave up 10 to KC and another was negated by an illegal formation. DALL is five times the offense KC is.I see no reason DAL doesn't win this game around 24-21
and how exactly are the Bears going to score 21 pts?3 returns by Hester?
Grossman to Berrian.Dallas secondary = :kicksrock:I like the over as well.
Grossman to ANYONE doesn't happen.....and certainly not 3 times in one game
Grossman has more 3-TD games in the past 18 games than Romo does.
 
CHI gave up 10 to KC and another was negated by an illegal formation. DALL is five times the offense KC is.I see no reason DAL doesn't win this game around 24-21
and how exactly are the Bears going to score 21 pts?3 returns by Hester?
Grossman to Berrian.Dallas secondary = :kicksrock:I like the over as well.
Grossman to ANYONE doesn't happen.....and certainly not 3 times in one game
Grossman has more 3-TD games in the past 18 games than Romo does.
Romo has only played for 12 games in his career....a 6 game edge is a bit much don't you think?
 
Vegas wasn't build by being wrong. If the under looks too good to be true, bet the over.
the odds are based on the gamblersvegas takes 4% to 5% of the winner's money.....they win no matter what and just adust the line to try and get a 50/50 for each side....vegas was built by us
 
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9/23 8:15 ET At Chicago -3 Dallas 42

am I the only one that finds that ridiculous?

the Cowboys might have a high powered offense but come on...this is AT Chicago....and Grossman can't score to save his life...the over/under should be closer to 32 IMO...

this makes no sense to me....this is where I think you get an edge by being a fan and knowing that Dallas probably won't rack up over 24 pts.

If Romo can score 3 TDs against that defense then I am sold on him and I am ready to crown him.
Grossman will light up the putrid Cowboys secondary....no secondary and no pass rush and on the road = Points for the Bears. ANd the Cowboys have no NT means Benson will run all night too. 42 is a correct #.....did you watch your team get burnt on almost every possession by the Giants?

 
CHI gave up 10 to KC and another was negated by an illegal formation. DALL is five times the offense KC is.I see no reason DAL doesn't win this game around 24-21
and how exactly are the Bears going to score 21 pts?3 returns by Hester?
Grossman to Berrian.Dallas secondary = ;)I like the over as well.
Grossman to ANYONE doesn't happen.....and certainly not 3 times in one game
Grossman has more 3-TD games in the past 18 games than Romo does.
:thumbup: Most morons who bash Grossman without any facts just do not get it.
 
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9/23 8:15 ET At Chicago -3 Dallas 42

am I the only one that finds that ridiculous?

the Cowboys might have a high powered offense but come on...this is AT Chicago....and Grossman can't score to save his life...the over/under should be closer to 32 IMO...

this makes no sense to me....this is where I think you get an edge by being a fan and knowing that Dallas probably won't rack up over 24 pts.

If Romo can score 3 TDs against that defense then I am sold on him and I am ready to crown him.
Grossman will light up the putrid Cowboys secondary....no secondary and no pass rush and on the road = Points for the Bears. ANd the Cowboys have no NT means Benson will run all night too. 42 is a correct #.....did you watch your team get burnt on almost every possession by the Giants?
You might be the biggest :thumbup: i have ever seen.
 
CHI gave up 10 to KC and another was negated by an illegal formation. DALL is five times the offense KC is.I see no reason DAL doesn't win this game around 24-21
and how exactly are the Bears going to score 21 pts?3 returns by Hester?
Grossman to Berrian.Dallas secondary = :goodposting:I like the over as well.
Grossman to ANYONE doesn't happen.....and certainly not 3 times in one game
Grossman has more 3-TD games in the past 18 games than Romo does.
:goodposting: Most morons who bash Grossman without any facts just do not get it.
Please tell me you dont think Grossman is a good QB? If i were a Bears fan, i would HATE the guy, he is costing your team Superbowls.
 
Cowboys cut Nate Jones, which could indicate Newman is ready to return. This very well could make a huge difference...imo.

 
I would take the over- barring bad weather etc. With a bad secondary and some time to throw Grossman isn't too bad. Though I'm not sure who couldn't put up points under those circumstances. I don't see how a 24-21 or 27-20 game isn't possible? If Miami can put up 20 or so points on Dallas, Chicago certainly can.

 
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9/23 8:15 ET At Chicago -3 Dallas 42

am I the only one that finds that ridiculous?

the Cowboys might have a high powered offense but come on...this is AT Chicago....and Grossman can't score to save his life...the over/under should be closer to 32 IMO...

this makes no sense to me....this is where I think you get an edge by being a fan and knowing that Dallas probably won't rack up over 24 pts.

If Romo can score 3 TDs against that defense then I am sold on him and I am ready to crown him.
Grossman will light up the putrid Cowboys secondary....no secondary and no pass rush and on the road = Points for the Bears. ANd the Cowboys have no NT means Benson will run all night too. 42 is a correct #.....did you watch your team get burnt on almost every possession by the Giants?
I see Berrian and Muhammid having a good game but Grossman will throw at least 2 picks and Benson will roll over when Roy Williams lays the wood down on him.But I agree with the 42 being a good number. Chicago will probably score 17 and Dallas will get 24-28. Romo is going to make the Chicago Dline look like Jason Taylor, reaching and grasping air.

 
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9/23 8:15 ET At Chicago -3 Dallas 42

am I the only one that finds that ridiculous?

the Cowboys might have a high powered offense but come on...this is AT Chicago....and Grossman can't score to save his life...the over/under should be closer to 32 IMO...

this makes no sense to me....this is where I think you get an edge by being a fan and knowing that Dallas probably won't rack up over 24 pts.

If Romo can score 3 TDs against that defense then I am sold on him and I am ready to crown him.
Grossman will light up the putrid Cowboys secondary....no secondary and no pass rush and on the road = Points for the Bears. ANd the Cowboys have no NT means Benson will run all night too. 42 is a correct #.....did you watch your team get burnt on almost every possession by the Giants?
yeah...by Eli and Plaxico...a little bit different than Gross Rexman

 
CHI gave up 10 to KC and another was negated by an illegal formation. DALL is five times the offense KC is.I see no reason DAL doesn't win this game around 24-21
and how exactly are the Bears going to score 21 pts?3 returns by Hester?
Grossman to Berrian.Dallas secondary = :XI like the over as well.
Grossman to ANYONE doesn't happen.....and certainly not 3 times in one game
Grossman has more 3-TD games in the past 18 games than Romo does.
:goodposting: Most morons who bash Grossman without any facts just do not get it.
Please tell me you dont think Grossman is a good QB? If i were a Bears fan, i would HATE the guy, he is costing your team Superbowls.
I prefer giving a starting QB at least 32 games of starting before making any judgments. Very few QBs (outside of Big Ben & Marino I cannot think of any other right now) take a team to a SB in their 1st game 32 games, so no, I do not hate the guy. Because the society is full of morons who cannot be patient these days, you find a lot of Qbs doing well after going somewhere else (See Rich Gannon or Trent Green for eg). You cannot have a probowler at every position in this league. This league is not meant to be that way. Grossman has won games as a QB. You can argue he is not solely resposible for that, and I accept that, but he must be doing something right to lead a team to the 15th ranked O and a SB. It is not like the Bears O was 32nd last year that some might want people to think. And we have seen Griese play in this league.....he is not Peyton Manning. Last year, most of you guys said Grossman would never win a playoff game and the Bears would be one and done....what happened? How many points did the Bears O score against the Saints and Seahawks in the playoffs? :rolleyes: If you had watched (I have put Win-Loss records in brackets): Steve Stenstrom (1-6), Henry Burris (0-1), Kyle Orton (10-5), Cade Mcnown (3-12), Jim Miller (15-11), Shane Matthews (8-7), Kordell Stewart (2-5), Rick Mirer (0-3), Craig Krenzel (3-2), Jonathan Quinn (0-3), Chad Hutchinson (1-4), Moses Moreno (0-1), Chris Chandler (5-8), Jeff Blake (0-0) start as Bears Qb, you might know what I am talking about here. Trust me, unless you are a Bears fan, you have no idea that Grossman actually has skills we have not seen forever. Does he need to improve/develop? Absolutely. I am hoping by the time this year is over, he will. Throwing away Qbs without giving them a real chance is just stupid, especially when you do not really have any great alternative. The league is full of teams that do not have a great or proven or even good starting QB - do you want me to run through teams? Falcons, Jags, Vikings, Chiefs, Redskins, Dolphins, Bucs, Broncos, Raiders, Cardinals, 49ers, Titans, Texans, Browns etc etc. And I have not even mentioned the Qbs sucking this year (see Eagles or Saints) or the ones that sucked last year and people were ready to tar and feather them in their towns (Big Ben and Eli Manning). Only 3 teams - Colts, Pats and Bengals seem to have a top tier QB. Maybe Rams.....though you can argue he has sucked this year too.
 
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Vegas wasn't build by being wrong. If the under looks too good to be true, bet the over.
the odds are based on the gamblersvegas takes 4% to 5% of the winner's money.....they win no matter what and just adust the line to try and get a 50/50 for each side....vegas was built by us
A lot of people think this but it really isn't true. The sportsbook handicapers put a lot of time and effort into getting more of the money on the wrong side. Every time I hear about how Vegas books have 60% - 70% of the money going one way, the other way seems to find a way to win. See Florida v. Ohio St.
 
CHI gave up 10 to KC and another was negated by an illegal formation. DALL is five times the offense KC is.I see no reason DAL doesn't win this game around 24-21
and how exactly are the Bears going to score 21 pts?3 returns by Hester?
Grossman to Berrian.Dallas secondary = :XI like the over as well.
Grossman to ANYONE doesn't happen.....and certainly not 3 times in one game
Grossman has more 3-TD games in the past 18 games than Romo does.
:goodposting: Most morons who bash Grossman without any facts just do not get it.
Please tell me you dont think Grossman is a good QB? If i were a Bears fan, i would HATE the guy, he is costing your team Superbowls.
I prefer giving a starting QB at least 32 games of starting before making any judgments. Very few QBs (outside of Big Ben & Marino I cannot think of any other right now) take a team to a SB in their 1st game 32 games, so no, I do not hate the guy. Because the society is full of morons who cannot be patient these days, you find a lot of Qbs doing well after going somewhere else (See Rich Gannon or Trent Green for eg). You cannot have a probowler at every position in this league. This league is not meant to be that way. Grossman has won games as a QB. You can argue he is not solely resposible for that, and I accept that, but he must be doing something right to lead a team to the 15th ranked O and a SB. It is not like the Bears O was 32nd last year that some might want people to think. And we have seen Griese play in this league.....he is not Peyton Manning. Last year, most of you guys said Grossman would never win a playoff game and the Bears would be one and done....what happened? How many points did the Bears O score against the Saints and Seahawks in the playoffs? :rolleyes: If you had watched (I have put Win-Loss records in brackets): Steve Stenstrom (1-6), Henry Burris (0-1), Kyle Orton (10-5), Cade Mcnown (3-12), Jim Miller (15-11), Shane Matthews (8-7), Kordell Stewart (2-5), Rick Mirer (0-3), Craig Krenzel (3-2), Jonathan Quinn (0-3), Chad Hutchinson (1-4), Moses Moreno (0-1), Chris Chandler (5-8), Jeff Blake (0-0) start as Bears Qb, you might know what I am talking about here. Trust me, unless you are a Bears fan, you have no idea that Grossman actually has skills we have not seen forever. Does he need to improve/develop? Absolutely. I am hoping by the time this year is over, he will. Throwing away Qbs without giving them a real chance is just stupid, especially when you do not really have any great alternative.
excellent post . . .people act like Benson and Grossman are (literally) two of the worst players in the league . . .
 
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9/23 8:15 ET At Chicago -3 Dallas 42

am I the only one that finds that ridiculous?

the Cowboys might have a high powered offense but come on...this is AT Chicago....and Grossman can't score to save his life...the over/under should be closer to 32 IMO...

this makes no sense to me....this is where I think you get an edge by being a fan and knowing that Dallas probably won't rack up over 24 pts.

If Romo can score 3 TDs against that defense then I am sold on him and I am ready to crown him.
Grossman will light up the putrid Cowboys secondary....no secondary and no pass rush and on the road = Points for the Bears. ANd the Cowboys have no NT means Benson will run all night too. 42 is a correct #.....did you watch your team get burnt on almost every possession by the Giants?
yeah...by Eli and Plaxico...a little bit different than Gross Rexman
Ask the Saints or Seahawks or Packers in week 1 how Berrian burnt them last year. :kicksrock:
 
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9/23 8:15 ET At Chicago -3 Dallas 42

am I the only one that finds that ridiculous?

the Cowboys might have a high powered offense but come on...this is AT Chicago....and Grossman can't score to save his life...the over/under should be closer to 32 IMO...

this makes no sense to me....this is where I think you get an edge by being a fan and knowing that Dallas probably won't rack up over 24 pts.

If Romo can score 3 TDs against that defense then I am sold on him and I am ready to crown him.
Grossman will light up the putrid Cowboys secondary....no secondary and no pass rush and on the road = Points for the Bears. ANd the Cowboys have no NT means Benson will run all night too. 42 is a correct #.....did you watch your team get burnt on almost every possession by the Giants?
yeah...by Eli and Plaxico...a little bit different than Gross Rexman
Ask the Saints or Seahawks or Packers in week 1 how Berrian burnt them last year. :wall:
I dont think even the most die hard Bears fan can think Grossman and Berrian are better than Eli and Plax.
 
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9/23 8:15 ET At Chicago -3 Dallas 42

am I the only one that finds that ridiculous?

the Cowboys might have a high powered offense but come on...this is AT Chicago....and Grossman can't score to save his life...the over/under should be closer to 32 IMO...

this makes no sense to me....this is where I think you get an edge by being a fan and knowing that Dallas probably won't rack up over 24 pts.

If Romo can score 3 TDs against that defense then I am sold on him and I am ready to crown him.
Grossman will light up the putrid Cowboys secondary....no secondary and no pass rush and on the road = Points for the Bears. ANd the Cowboys have no NT means Benson will run all night too. 42 is a correct #.....did you watch your team get burnt on almost every possession by the Giants?
yeah...by Eli and Plaxico...a little bit different than Gross Rexman
Ask the Saints or Seahawks or Packers in week 1 how Berrian burnt them last year. :wall:
I dont think even the most die hard Bears fan can think Grossman and Berrian are better than Eli and Plax.
Nobody said they are better, but to say Grossman cannot throw deep is just plain stupid. Throwing deep is actually one of his strengths. Cowboys neither have a pass rush nor a secondary (and no Roy Williams cannot cover anyone yet).....that is not a good combo against Rex. The best way to beat the Bears is to apply lots of pressure on Grossman. If you need to blitz 7 guys every time to do that, that is a disaster waiting to happen when you are on the road.
 
Cowboys cut Nate Jones, which could indicate Newman is ready to return. This very well could make a huge difference...imo.
He's solid, but he's not a shutdown guy so I'm not sure I'd say "huge difference."
I agree with LHucks. Newman is nothing great....an average CB....but that just shows how poor the Dallas depth is. For a team supposed to contend for a SB, they surely have no depth. :wall:
 
Vegas wasn't build by being wrong. If the under looks too good to be true, bet the over.
the odds are based on the gamblersvegas takes 4% to 5% of the winner's money.....they win no matter what and just adust the line to try and get a 50/50 for each side....

vegas was built by us
A lot of people think this but it really isn't true. The sportsbook handicapers put a lot of time and effort into getting more of the money on the wrong side. Every time I hear about how Vegas books have 60% - 70% of the money going one way, the other way seems to find a way to win. See Florida v. Ohio St.
if 60% to 70% of the money is on one side then they all (casinos) adjust the line so that it evens itself out at 50/50...they take a small chunk out of the winning sides money and they win no matter what ever year....they don't try and fool the public into betting a certain way you fool...it is regular business, the line is set to be 50/50 so that they CAN'T LOSE....and the line is adjusted by US...not THEM.

 
Cowboys cut Nate Jones, which could indicate Newman is ready to return. This very well could make a huge difference...imo.
He's solid, but he's not a shutdown guy so I'm not sure I'd say "huge difference."
I agree with LHucks. Newman is nothing great....an average CB....but that just shows how poor the Dallas depth is. For a team supposed to contend for a SB, they surely have no depth. :wall:
yeah because he gets burnt so often...he is about as shut down as it gets...the only knock on him is a lack of ints...and I grew up watching Deion shut down half the feild
 
The Chicago Bear Offense will look better than we've seen it all season. We'll start to wonder why it's better and that maybe they're getting better but in the end, if you check the numbers, it's simply because Dallas hasn't been good on D.

 
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Cowboys cut Nate Jones, which could indicate Newman is ready to return. This very well could make a huge difference...imo.
He's solid, but he's not a shutdown guy so I'm not sure I'd say "huge difference."
I agree with LHucks. Newman is nothing great....an average CB....but that just shows how poor the Dallas depth is. For a team supposed to contend for a SB, they surely have no depth. :tfp:
Newman healthy is better than average. He's not Everson Walls but he's better than average and he does have some speed. Who's Lhucks?
 
The Chicago Bear Offense will look better than we've seen it all season. We'll start to wonder why it's better and that maybe they're betting better but in the end, if you check the numbers, it's simply because Dallas hasn't been good on D.
You might wanna tell that to the OP who thinks Dallas has the greatest D since sliced bread since the great Newman might play :tfp:
 
The Chicago Bear Offense will look better than we've seen it all season. We'll start to wonder why it's better and that maybe they're betting better but in the end, if you check the numbers, it's simply because Dallas hasn't been good on D.
You might wanna tell that to the OP who thinks Dallas has the greatest D since sliced bread since the great Newman might play :tfp:
Meh, I wish they did. Love em but Dallas will make Chicago look like the first time that they have a competitant offense.They DON'T.
 
Cowboys cut Nate Jones, which could indicate Newman is ready to return. This very well could make a huge difference...imo.
He's solid, but he's not a shutdown guy so I'm not sure I'd say "huge difference."
Disagree with this assessment he is one of the closest things to a shutdown corner you can find imo he didnt allow a TD for like 2 years (streak was broken during a miscommunication against the Colts last year). Granted I dont think he returns at 100%. Dallas is a totally different defense with him in there. The Giants would have not been able to move the ball the way they did had Newman been in there. I dont know if you watched the Giants vs Cowboys game or not but if you did you would see that Jacques Reeves (newmans replacement) was giving plax a 15 yard cushion on 3rd and 10s so all Plax did was 10 yard comebacks everytime obviously if Newman is in there he doesnt get that cushion or automatic completion.
 
Cowboys cut Nate Jones, which could indicate Newman is ready to return. This very well could make a huge difference...imo.
He's solid, but he's not a shutdown guy so I'm not sure I'd say "huge difference."
I agree with LHucks. Newman is nothing great....an average CB....but that just shows how poor the Dallas depth is. For a team supposed to contend for a SB, they surely have no depth. :(
I love the double standard here. Chicago's defense fell apart last year after Tommie Harris got hurt but they have superbowl quality depth and supposedly Dallas does not and is not ready to compete for the superbowl. Dallas is without 3 defensive starters and still managed 5 turnovers against the Dolphins who in all reality are probably as good as the Bears offense. So please explain to me again how the Bears are going to move the ball because I can easily see Cedric struggling to find running lanes and Rex having to carry this team which as a Cowboys fan I like these matchups. This game could get ugly quick if Dallas builds a lead early.
 
Cowboys cut Nate Jones, which could indicate Newman is ready to return. This very well could make a huge difference...imo.
He's solid, but he's not a shutdown guy so I'm not sure I'd say "huge difference."
I agree with LHucks. Newman is nothing great....an average CB....but that just shows how poor the Dallas depth is. For a team supposed to contend for a SB, they surely have no depth. :(
I love the double standard here. Chicago's defense fell apart last year after Tommie Harris got hurt but they have superbowl quality depth and supposedly Dallas does not and is not ready to compete for the superbowl. Dallas is without 3 defensive starters and still managed 5 turnovers against the Dolphins who in all reality are probably as good as the Bears offense. So please explain to me again how the Bears are going to move the ball because I can easily see Cedric struggling to find running lanes and Rex having to carry this team which as a Cowboys fan I like these matchups. This game could get ugly quick if Dallas builds a lead early.
the bolded part suggesting Miami and Chicago offenses are equal in quality . . .comical . . .

 
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CHI gave up 10 to KC and another was negated by an illegal formation. DALL is five times the offense KC is.I see no reason DAL doesn't win this game around 24-21
and how exactly are the Bears going to score 21 pts?3 returns by Hester?
Grossman to Berrian.Dallas secondary = :lmao:I like the over as well.
Grossman to ANYONE doesn't happen.....and certainly not 3 times in one game
Grossman has more 3-TD games in the past 18 games than Romo does.
:unsure: Most morons who bash Grossman without any facts just do not get it.
I'm taking the Bears but lets not defend Grossman, a great backup. Chicago has all of the tools in place except for a Running back with a heart and a "CONSISTANT" QB. When Grossman is good he is very very good, but when he's bad he's putrid, and he's bad way too often. One of the greatest Defenses of the last few decades wasted by .........the QB.
 
If Miami can score 20 against Dallas, then the Bears can easily go for 30. Not saying they will, but Chicago should be able to score against that putrid Dallas defense.

 
Totals are almost invariably shaded a point or two too high because the public likes to bet overs except in the case of inclement weather where they get shaded too low because the public hammers bad weather unders (to disastrous results).

 
If Miami can score 20 against Dallas, then the Bears can easily go for 30. Not saying they will, but Chicago should be able to score against that putrid Dallas defense.
I'd hesitate to call it putrid. Deep coverage is bad on an epic scale, but other than that it is passable. Keep in mind the two top IDPs from this defense have been missing.
 

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