The Packers About to Reap What They Sow (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

Good Job Ted!

I thought we were supposed to tone the tool factor down?What in the world was that?

Why would anyone think that was funny or interesting at all?

 

[Joe Bryant]

All I am saying is there is not enough info to just call Rodgers injury prone.

I'll bite.What EXACTLY would you need to see from Rodgers to call him injury prone? Do you believe any players are injury prone?J

I believe the injury prone thing gets played out too much in fantasy circles.Id need to see some nagging recurring injury.The guy broke a foot when someone landed on it. Does that make him injury prone? And he finished the game with a broken foot.He had a hammy issue last year that caused him to miss time as a backup to Brett Favre.By the end of the season, he could have gone had they needed him.Right now he has a possible bruise/separation in his shoulder. He came in and played after the injury and even threw a TD pass after the injury.I don't think any of that makes him prone to injuries.On Favre...is he tough? Sure.Was he also good at avoiding those big hits? Most definitely. Something Rodgers does need to get accustomed to and learn for sure.But its not as if his body has something about him making him prone to getting hurt. Its one thing if he kept getting hurt by making mistakes...holding the ball too long...his scrambling...something.But so far, that is not the case at all.

He comes into his first real game and breaks his foot and misses the rest of the season.He struggled last year with hamstring injuries even though it never mattered.We have no knowledge this will happen but let's say FOR PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION that he misses 3 weeks here with the shoulder after 4 four games of the 2008 season.What exactly more would need to happen for you to consider him injury prone?J

 

[mozzy84]

I remember one of the staffers saying he takes a ton of sacks and would probably get hurt quick.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

All I am saying is there is not enough info to just call Rodgers injury prone.

I'll bite.What EXACTLY would you need to see from Rodgers to call him injury prone? Do you believe any players are injury prone?J

I believe the injury prone thing gets played out too much in fantasy circles.Id need to see some nagging recurring injury.The guy broke a foot when someone landed on it. Does that make him injury prone? And he finished the game with a broken foot.He had a hammy issue last year that caused him to miss time as a backup to Brett Favre.By the end of the season, he could have gone had they needed him.Right now he has a possible bruise/separation in his shoulder. He came in and played after the injury and even threw a TD pass after the injury.I don't think any of that makes him prone to injuries.On Favre...is he tough? Sure.Was he also good at avoiding those big hits? Most definitely. Something Rodgers does need to get accustomed to and learn for sure.But its not as if his body has something about him making him prone to getting hurt. Its one thing if he kept getting hurt by making mistakes...holding the ball too long...his scrambling...something.But so far, that is not the case at all.

He comes into his first real game and breaks his foot and misses the rest of the season.He struggled last year with hamstring injuries even though it never mattered.We have no knowledge this will happen but let's say FOR PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION that he misses 3 weeks here with the shoulder after 4 four games of the 2008 season.What exactly more would need to happen for you to consider him injury prone?J

Thank you J!Question Sho Nuff. Does an injury have to occur in the same location multiple times for a player to become injury prone?-From what I have read that is your definition.Oh yeh...Ryan Grant has been unreal as well...lol

 

[Kleck]

Regardless of the QB situation, this team isn't going very far if they continue to struggle with running the ball. Losing Harris for a few weeks or possibly longer, and now maybe Hawk for a while or the season certainly doesn't help either. Bigby being out the past two weeks has been a tough loss as well.

No running game and a banged up D is a good formula for struggling, but I'd rather see it it happen now than in December. There's still plenty of time to rebound, and no team in the NFC North is running away with a big early lead.

 

[Limp Ditka]

GB Packers fans

 

[scrumptrulescent]

All I am saying is there is not enough info to just call Rodgers injury prone.

I'll bite.What EXACTLY would you need to see from Rodgers to call him injury prone? Do you believe any players are injury prone?J

I believe the injury prone thing gets played out too much in fantasy circles.Id need to see some nagging recurring injury.The guy broke a foot when someone landed on it. Does that make him injury prone? And he finished the game with a broken foot.He had a hammy issue last year that caused him to miss time as a backup to Brett Favre.By the end of the season, he could have gone had they needed him.Right now he has a possible bruise/separation in his shoulder. He came in and played after the injury and even threw a TD pass after the injury.I don't think any of that makes him prone to injuries.On Favre...is he tough? Sure.Was he also good at avoiding those big hits? Most definitely. Something Rodgers does need to get accustomed to and learn for sure.But its not as if his body has something about him making him prone to getting hurt. Its one thing if he kept getting hurt by making mistakes...holding the ball too long...his scrambling...something.But so far, that is not the case at all.

He comes into his first real game and breaks his foot and misses the rest of the season.He struggled last year with hamstring injuries even though it never mattered.We have no knowledge this will happen but let's say FOR PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION that he misses 3 weeks here with the shoulder after 4 four games of the 2008 season.What exactly more would need to happen for you to consider him injury prone?J

Thank you J!Question Sho Nuff. Does an injury have to occur in the same location multiple times for a player to become injury prone?-From what I have read that is your definition.Oh yeh...Ryan Grant has been unreal as well...lol

It's still pretty early in Rodgers career. He's been injury prone so far, but he's got time.Let's reserve the right to mock until after next week when Grant gets Atlanta at home. The way the Shark Pool overeacts Grant could become the Green and Gold Jesus by next week. Ridiculous.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Wrong. They were a good team, but not elite. Elite teams don't have their running game disappear in the biggest game of the season. Elite teams don't struggle to run the football the majority of the year. Elite teams don't throw interceptions that cost them the game.

Wow, you just described the 18-0 New England Patriots of last year and the Indianapolis Colts pretty much every year that they didn't win the Super Bowl. You certainly have a strict definition of "elite", namely that they pretty much can't have a single bad game, or even a single bad play.At which point one has to wonder if, given your definition of the term, there has ever been an elite team.

Look, I listened to everyone and their brother question the Packers last season because of their lack of a running game. It was and is justified. And when they needed the running game the most, it wasn't there. And all season long everyone pointed out that at some point, their running game would disappear and then what would happen? Well, the results of that were predictable, and continue to be.My definition of elite is a team that is solid in every aspect of the game. The Cowboys of this season are pretty close. Great backs in the running game, great receivers, pretty good QB. Great D line. Green Bay was not that last year. Period. You can spin it however you want, but it just ain't true.

 

[sho nuff]

All I am saying is there is not enough info to just call Rodgers injury prone.

I'll bite.What EXACTLY would you need to see from Rodgers to call him injury prone? Do you believe any players are injury prone?J

I believe the injury prone thing gets played out too much in fantasy circles.Id need to see some nagging recurring injury.The guy broke a foot when someone landed on it. Does that make him injury prone? And he finished the game with a broken foot.He had a hammy issue last year that caused him to miss time as a backup to Brett Favre.By the end of the season, he could have gone had they needed him.Right now he has a possible bruise/separation in his shoulder. He came in and played after the injury and even threw a TD pass after the injury.I don't think any of that makes him prone to injuries.On Favre...is he tough? Sure.Was he also good at avoiding those big hits? Most definitely. Something Rodgers does need to get accustomed to and learn for sure.But its not as if his body has something about him making him prone to getting hurt. Its one thing if he kept getting hurt by making mistakes...holding the ball too long...his scrambling...something.But so far, that is not the case at all.

He comes into his first real game and breaks his foot and misses the rest of the season.He struggled last year with hamstring injuries even though it never mattered.We have no knowledge this will happen but let's say FOR PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION that he misses 3 weeks here with the shoulder after 4 four games of the 2008 season.What exactly more would need to happen for you to consider him injury prone?J

Thank you J!Question Sho Nuff. Does an injury have to occur in the same location multiple times for a player to become injury prone?-From what I have read that is your definition.Oh yeh...Ryan Grant has been unreal as well...lol

No...thats not my definition...its "part" of my definition.We have very limited data on which to go on.He is no more injury prone from that limited data...as he was great and ready because of how he played against Dallas.Get it yet?

 

[packersfan]

We may have limited data with which to evaluate Rodgers but that doesn't change the fact he's been hurt frequently during his career. He's missed time due to an injury in each of the past two seasons and now possibly for a third.

If that doesn't make him injury prone, I'm not sure what does.

 

[Sweetness_34]

It's too early to make any definitive predictions about what's going to happen but the decision to kick Favre out the door in favor of an inexperienced, injury-prone QB isn't looking too good today, that's for sure. The Packers are fortunate they play in arguably the worst division in the league, but that won't be of much help if Rodgers misses extensive time.

Everytime I see this I

And every time I see someone downplay Rogers' durability issues I Guess we're even.

You think getting hurt one time in a game before today is enough info to go on and call him injury prone?

Please have some type of clue before you post stuff like this. Rodgers in his limited time before today was hurt more than ONE time.

Please learn to read before trying to insult me not having a clue.He was hurt in the Pats game. A broken foot when a guy landed on it (hardly something to cause someone to be "injury prone")...oh and he finished that game.

He was not hurt in the Dallas game last year...he was hurt in the practices the week after.

HTH

Thanks for clarifying that.....with Rodgers we don't have to worry about getting hurt during game we also have to worry about him getting hurt during practices.

Sorry...even with Favre you still had to worry about him getting hurt. Its the nature of the game.Things can and do happen.

You are just mad because you have been wrong so often and on so many different counts now (wrong about Favre; wrong about Rodgers; wrong about the Bears etc), that your ego is going the way ted thompson's went.

Biggest joke of a front office in the NFL is the packers. Nice job gutting your own NFC Championship team.

Thanks for the entertainment though with your homerism fueled drivel. It is very funny!!!! Oh and enjoy Matt Flynn take your team to the cellar if Rodgers is out.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Regardless of the QB situation, this team isn't going very far if they continue to struggle with running the ball. Losing Harris for a few weeks or possibly longer, and now maybe Hawk for a while or the season certainly doesn't help either. Bigby being out the past two weeks has been a tough loss as well.

No running game and a banged up D is a good formula for struggling, but I'd rather see it it happen now than in December. There's still plenty of time to rebound, and no team in the NFC North is running away with a big early lead.

The Bears could easily be 6-2 by the time we get done with half of the season. The next 4 games for the Bears is Det twice; Falcons and Minny once (Minny game at home in SF). The Bears should be 4-0 right now. They had a solid Carolina and Bucs team beat but gave the game away due to their own mistakes + bad refereeing (see Tillman penalty where the Bucs OL was actually choking Ogunleye on the ground but refs decided to swallow that whistle).

But keep underestimating them....

 

[Sweetness_34]

All I am saying is there is not enough info to just call Rodgers injury prone.

I'll bite.What EXACTLY would you need to see from Rodgers to call him injury prone? Do you believe any players are injury prone?J

I believe the injury prone thing gets played out too much in fantasy circles.Id need to see some nagging recurring injury.The guy broke a foot when someone landed on it. Does that make him injury prone? And he finished the game with a broken foot.He had a hammy issue last year that caused him to miss time as a backup to Brett Favre.By the end of the season, he could have gone had they needed him.Right now he has a possible bruise/separation in his shoulder. He came in and played after the injury and even threw a TD pass after the injury.I don't think any of that makes him prone to injuries.On Favre...is he tough? Sure.Was he also good at avoiding those big hits? Most definitely. Something Rodgers does need to get accustomed to and learn for sure.But its not as if his body has something about him making him prone to getting hurt. Its one thing if he kept getting hurt by making mistakes...holding the ball too long...his scrambling...something.But so far, that is not the case at all.

He comes into his first real game and breaks his foot and misses the rest of the season.He struggled last year with hamstring injuries even though it never mattered.We have no knowledge this will happen but let's say FOR PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION that he misses 3 weeks here with the shoulder after 4 four games of the 2008 season.What exactly more would need to happen for you to consider him injury prone?J

Thank you J!Question Sho Nuff. Does an injury have to occur in the same location multiple times for a player to become injury prone?-From what I have read that is your definition.Oh yeh...Ryan Grant has been unreal as well...lol

No...thats not my definition...its "part" of my definition.We have very limited data on which to go on.He is no more injury prone from that limited data...as he was great and ready because of how he played against Dallas.Get it yet?

Are you going to define "is" for us too? Of course Rodgers is injury prone. No doubt about that. Only in shonuff's homer world is this not true.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Regardless of the QB situation, this team isn't going very far if they continue to struggle with running the ball. Losing Harris for a few weeks or possibly longer, and now maybe Hawk for a while or the season certainly doesn't help either. Bigby being out the past two weeks has been a tough loss as well.

No running game and a banged up D is a good formula for struggling, but I'd rather see it it happen now than in December. There's still plenty of time to rebound, and no team in the NFC North is running away with a big early lead.

The Bears could easily be 6-2 by the time we get done with half of the season. The next 4 games for the Bears is Det twice; Falcons and Minny once (Minny game at home in SF). The Bears should be 4-0 right now. They had a solid Carolina and Bucs team beat but gave the game away due to their own mistakes + bad refereeing (see Tillman penalty where the Bucs OL was actually choking Ogunleye on the ground but refs decided to swallow that whistle).

But keep underestimating them....

I'm quite impressed by the Bears defense so far. I was not expecting them to look as good as they do. And with Forte banging out yards, this is a team to reckon with. As a Packer fan, it's painful to see. But I think the Bears have as good a shot as anyone.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

It's too early to make any definitive predictions about what's going to happen but the decision to kick Favre out the door in favor of an inexperienced, injury-prone QB isn't looking too good today, that's for sure. The Packers are fortunate they play in arguably the worst division in the league, but that won't be of much help if Rodgers misses extensive time.

Everytime I see this I

And every time I see someone downplay Rogers' durability issues I Guess we're even.

You think getting hurt one time in a game before today is enough info to go on and call him injury prone?

Please have some type of clue before you post stuff like this. Rodgers in his limited time before today was hurt more than ONE time.

Please learn to read before trying to insult me not having a clue.He was hurt in the Pats game. A broken foot when a guy landed on it (hardly something to cause someone to be "injury prone")...oh and he finished that game.

He was not hurt in the Dallas game last year...he was hurt in the practices the week after.

HTH

Thanks for clarifying that.....with Rodgers we don't have to worry about getting hurt during game we also have to worry about him getting hurt during practices.

Sorry...even with Favre you still had to worry about him getting hurt. Its the nature of the game.Things can and do happen.

You are just mad because you have been wrong so often and on so many different counts now (wrong about Favre; wrong about Rodgers; wrong about the Bears etc), that your ego is going the way ted thompson's went.

Biggest joke of a front office in the NFL is the packers. Nice job gutting your own NFC Championship team.

Thanks for the entertainment though with your homerism fueled drivel. It is very funny!!!! Oh and enjoy Matt Flynn take your team to the cellar if Rodgers is out.

You've got to be kidding.

 

[Chachi]

Ted Thompson is a clown in a 3 piece suit.

Squeeze his nose, it squeeks!

 

[Kleck]

Regardless of the QB situation, this team isn't going very far if they continue to struggle with running the ball. Losing Harris for a few weeks or possibly longer, and now maybe Hawk for a while or the season certainly doesn't help either. Bigby being out the past two weeks has been a tough loss as well.

No running game and a banged up D is a good formula for struggling, but I'd rather see it it happen now than in December. There's still plenty of time to rebound, and no team in the NFC North is running away with a big early lead.

The Bears could easily be 6-2 by the time we get done with half of the season. The next 4 games for the Bears is Det twice; Falcons and Minny once (Minny game at home in SF). The Bears should be 4-0 right now. They had a solid Carolina and Bucs team beat but gave the game away due to their own mistakes + bad refereeing (see Tillman penalty where the Bucs OL was actually choking Ogunleye on the ground but refs decided to swallow that whistle).

But keep underestimating them....

I'm quite impressed by the Bears defense so far. I was not expecting them to look as good as they do. And with Forte banging out yards, this is a team to reckon with. As a Packer fan, it's painful to see. But I think the Bears have as good a shot as anyone.

I agree. Didn't mean to underestimate them, Sweetness. Was just going off the current standings.

 

[hauser42]

The Packers have a SB contender team ready to go with Favre. They got sensitive, couldn't swallow ego, and went with a 1st time starter at QB. With no backup. Rodgers has shown he's prone to injury. He's taken 50 snaps and been injured or on IR twice. Sorry, they should have kept Favre, kept Rodgers, and made him sit another year. If Favre gets hurt, you have Rodgers. Favre clearly can still play. Can anyone seriously tell me the Packers were better off without Favre? Rodgers had never started in the NFL. Come on. They were WORSE off the day they traded Brett. Long term? They could have started Rodgers next year. He's not going anywhere. And if they liked him this much, extend him, they had the cap room. It was ego. Yes Favre changed his mind, but you have a team that can win a SB. You deal with egos. You don't turn a team primed for a SB over to a 1st time starter who's shown he's made of glass. And then to have two backups, who've never taken a snap in the NFL. Needlessly risky, with a roster loaded with talent. Why gamble? There was no need. It was foolish.And I'm not a Packer fan, I don't like Brett Favre, but this one is pretty easy to call.

It is not an easy call. Brett Favre has not been the great playoff QB that some here are making him out to be. He has actually hurt his team time and time again in the playoffs in the latter part of his career. His turnovers have come back to haunt the Packers from winning at least one if not two Super Bowls after they won one. Even with Brett the Pack would have had a rough time repeating last years season. Teams do not go 13-3 season after season in the NFL.

 

[Phase of the Game]

The Packers have a SB contender team ready to go with Favre. They got sensitive, couldn't swallow ego, and went with a 1st time starter at QB. With no backup. Rodgers has shown he's prone to injury. He's taken 50 snaps and been injured or on IR twice. Sorry, they should have kept Favre, kept Rodgers, and made him sit another year. If Favre gets hurt, you have Rodgers. Favre clearly can still play. Can anyone seriously tell me the Packers were better off without Favre? Rodgers had never started in the NFL. Come on. They were WORSE off the day they traded Brett. Long term? They could have started Rodgers next year. He's not going anywhere. And if they liked him this much, extend him, they had the cap room. It was ego. Yes Favre changed his mind, but you have a team that can win a SB. You deal with egos. You don't turn a team primed for a SB over to a 1st time starter who's shown he's made of glass. And then to have two backups, who've never taken a snap in the NFL. Needlessly risky, with a roster loaded with talent. Why gamble? There was no need. It was foolish.And I'm not a Packer fan, I don't like Brett Favre, but this one is pretty easy to call.

His turnovers have come back to haunt the Packers from winning at least one if not two Super Bowls after they won one.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

All I am saying is there is not enough info to just call Rodgers injury prone.

I'll bite.What EXACTLY would you need to see from Rodgers to call him injury prone? Do you believe any players are injury prone?J

I believe the injury prone thing gets played out too much in fantasy circles.Id need to see some nagging recurring injury.The guy broke a foot when someone landed on it. Does that make him injury prone? And he finished the game with a broken foot.He had a hammy issue last year that caused him to miss time as a backup to Brett Favre.By the end of the season, he could have gone had they needed him.Right now he has a possible bruise/separation in his shoulder. He came in and played after the injury and even threw a TD pass after the injury.I don't think any of that makes him prone to injuries.On Favre...is he tough? Sure.Was he also good at avoiding those big hits? Most definitely. Something Rodgers does need to get accustomed to and learn for sure.But its not as if his body has something about him making him prone to getting hurt. Its one thing if he kept getting hurt by making mistakes...holding the ball too long...his scrambling...something.But so far, that is not the case at all.

He comes into his first real game and breaks his foot and misses the rest of the season.He struggled last year with hamstring injuries even though it never mattered.We have no knowledge this will happen but let's say FOR PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION that he misses 3 weeks here with the shoulder after 4 four games of the 2008 season.What exactly more would need to happen for you to consider him injury prone?J

why don't we just say it was career-ending thengood discussion would read again A+++

 

[GreenNGold]

Like I have said all summer long, the Packers are a Brett Favre away from being true superbowl contenders.

Rodgers has been hurt every time he has seen action. I'm actually surprised he made it as long as he did without getting injured. 3 injuries within 7 games (some of those games partial) ... just how many more injuries does he need before the rest of you start giving some consideration towards the term "injury prone"

You don't build for 2012 when you were one drive away from the superbowl. When your HOF, pro-bowl, 3x MVP iron-man QB wants to come out of retirement for another shot, you thank God for being blessed -- you don't run him out of town.

And for those who think Favre doesn't play as good in the playoffs -- I think you are overlooking that Favre has often carried this team into the playoffs, and then lost to better teams where the overall talent was just too much to overcome. Many of his bad plays come when the only chance the Packers have left is to make something happen. While he definitely deserves some of the blame, he is not the sole reason the Packers have lost a single playoff game (with the exception being possibly the STL game that no one gave us a chance going into anyways).

I would argue that the average QB (which we can call Rodgers for now, we won't know if he is better or worse for awhile), would not have even given the Packers the opportunity to lose in the playoffs. Can you say spoiled by one of the greatest QB's of all time for the last 16 years? Brett Favre's don't just drop out of the sky.

His PHI interception came after the Packers defense could not hold the Eagles on 4th & 26.

Against NYG, remember that they couldn't cover Burress to save their lives, and Grant's dismal 26 yards of rushing certainly didn't help either. Favre carried them into OT where he made a bad throw. I'm just happy he got us there.

And to see how brainwashed many of fellow Packer fans have become through this whole ordeal is just painful. See sho nuff's posts as a perfect example.

TT should have been fired the instant he did not welcome Favre back with open arms. And Packer fans are going to have to live with that regret for the rest of our lives.

And I am a Packers fan #1, don't call me fair weather. Just because I disagree with what could quite possibly be the biggest blunder in the history of sports, and want what is best for my team, does not make me a bad fan. Eventually the rest of you will come around to see the light. Until then, I am going to continue to suffer as this disaster is going to take years to recover from.

I'm pretty sure that even Matt Millen would have been smart enough to bring Favre back.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Like I have said all summer long, the Packers are a Brett Favre away from being true superbowl contenders. Rodgers has been hurt every time he has seen action. I'm actually surprised he made it as long as he did without getting injured. 3 injuries within 7 games (some of those games partial) ... just how many more injuries does he need before the rest of you start giving some consideration towards the term "injury prone"You don't build for 2012 when you were one drive away from the superbowl. When your HOF, pro-bowl, 3x MVP iron-man QB wants to come out of retirement for another shot, you thank God for being blessed -- you don't run him out of town. And for those who think Favre doesn't play as good in the playoffs -- I think you are overlooking that Favre has often carried this team into the playoffs, and then lost to better teams where the overall talent was just too much to overcome. Many of his bad plays come when the only chance the Packers have left is to make something happen. While he definitely deserves some of the blame, he is not the sole reason the Packers have lost a single playoff game (with the exception being possibly the STL game that no one gave us a chance going into anyways). I would argue that the average QB (which we can call Rodgers for now, we won't know if he is better or worse for awhile), would not have even given the Packers the opportunity to lose in the playoffs. Can you say spoiled by one of the greatest QB's of all time for the last 16 years? Brett Favre's don't just drop out of the sky. His PHI interception came after the Packers defense could not hold the Eagles on 4th & 26. Against NYG, remember that they couldn't cover Burress to save their lives, and Grant's dismal 26 yards of rushing certainly didn't help either. Favre carried them into OT where he made a bad throw. I'm just happy he got us there. And to see how brainwashed many of fellow Packer fans have become through this whole ordeal is just painful. See sho nuff's posts as a perfect example.TT should have been fired the instant he did not welcome Favre back with open arms. And Packer fans are going to have to live with that regret for the rest of our lives. And I am a Packers fan #1, don't call me fair weather. Just because I disagree with what could quite possibly be the biggest blunder in the history of sports, and want what is best for my team, does not make me a bad fan. Eventually the rest of you will come around to see the light. Until then, I am going to continue to suffer as this disaster is going to take years to recover from.I'm pretty sure that even Matt Millen would have been smart enough to bring Favre back.

 

[hauser42]

The Packers have a SB contender team ready to go with Favre. They got sensitive, couldn't swallow ego, and went with a 1st time starter at QB. With no backup. Rodgers has shown he's prone to injury. He's taken 50 snaps and been injured or on IR twice. Sorry, they should have kept Favre, kept Rodgers, and made him sit another year. If Favre gets hurt, you have Rodgers. Favre clearly can still play. Can anyone seriously tell me the Packers were better off without Favre? Rodgers had never started in the NFL. Come on. They were WORSE off the day they traded Brett. Long term? They could have started Rodgers next year. He's not going anywhere. And if they liked him this much, extend him, they had the cap room. It was ego. Yes Favre changed his mind, but you have a team that can win a SB. You deal with egos. You don't turn a team primed for a SB over to a 1st time starter who's shown he's made of glass. And then to have two backups, who've never taken a snap in the NFL. Needlessly risky, with a roster loaded with talent. Why gamble? There was no need. It was foolish.And I'm not a Packer fan, I don't like Brett Favre, but this one is pretty easy to call.

His turnovers have come back to haunt the Packers from winning at least one if not two Super Bowls after they won one.

Confused!! Recall the great throw against the Eagles, that was a winner. And last years forced throw when the dump off pass was right in front of him.

 

[hauser42]

Like I have said all summer long, the Packers are a Brett Favre away from being true superbowl contenders. Rodgers has been hurt every time he has seen action. I'm actually surprised he made it as long as he did without getting injured. 3 injuries within 7 games (some of those games partial) ... just how many more injuries does he need before the rest of you start giving some consideration towards the term "injury prone"You don't build for 2012 when you were one drive away from the superbowl. When your HOF, pro-bowl, 3x MVP iron-man QB wants to come out of retirement for another shot, you thank God for being blessed -- you don't run him out of town. And for those who think Favre doesn't play as good in the playoffs -- I think you are overlooking that Favre has often carried this team into the playoffs, and then lost to better teams where the overall talent was just too much to overcome. Many of his bad plays come when the only chance the Packers have left is to make something happen. While he definitely deserves some of the blame, he is not the sole reason the Packers have lost a single playoff game (with the exception being possibly the STL game that no one gave us a chance going into anyways). I would argue that the average QB (which we can call Rodgers for now, we won't know if he is better or worse for awhile), would not have even given the Packers the opportunity to lose in the playoffs. Can you say spoiled by one of the greatest QB's of all time for the last 16 years? Brett Favre's don't just drop out of the sky. His PHI interception came after the Packers defense could not hold the Eagles on 4th & 26. Against NYG, remember that they couldn't cover Burress to save their lives, and Grant's dismal 26 yards of rushing certainly didn't help either. Favre carried them into OT where he made a bad throw. I'm just happy he got us there. And to see how brainwashed many of fellow Packer fans have become through this whole ordeal is just painful. See sho nuff's posts as a perfect example.TT should have been fired the instant he did not welcome Favre back with open arms. And Packer fans are going to have to live with that regret for the rest of our lives. And I am a Packers fan #1, don't call me fair weather. Just because I disagree with what could quite possibly be the biggest blunder in the history of sports, and want what is best for my team, does not make me a bad fan. Eventually the rest of you will come around to see the light. Until then, I am going to continue to suffer as this disaster is going to take years to recover from.I'm pretty sure that even Matt Millen would have been smart enough to bring Favre back.

When you retire and are replaced by a ready to go co-worker, do you think your employer will take you back right away??Brett made his choice to leave this team, and he knew how good the talent was around him. Then he should be welcomed with open arms after he was asked if he wanted to come back prior only to say no. Brett made his choice to LEAVE the Green and Gold.Should Ted be fired for having good depth at CB to cover the loss of Harris. WOW no one wants to talk about that.Back to topic. Favre has had a great week so all the nay sayers are jumping out to scream. Now Rodgers might be hurt. although at this point he might even play this week people are screaming he is out. Till this QB is out no one should be complaining about an injury. If he is out there is no reason that people can not hope with all the talent around the young QBs that they can keep the team a float while he is out. This team is not built on one player, although the past great Packer teams only had one player his name was Brett Favre.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Like I have said all summer long, the Packers are a Brett Favre away from being true superbowl contenders. Rodgers has been hurt every time he has seen action. I'm actually surprised he made it as long as he did without getting injured. 3 injuries within 7 games (some of those games partial) ... just how many more injuries does he need before the rest of you start giving some consideration towards the term "injury prone"You don't build for 2012 when you were one drive away from the superbowl. When your HOF, pro-bowl, 3x MVP iron-man QB wants to come out of retirement for another shot, you thank God for being blessed -- you don't run him out of town. And for those who think Favre doesn't play as good in the playoffs -- I think you are overlooking that Favre has often carried this team into the playoffs, and then lost to better teams where the overall talent was just too much to overcome. Many of his bad plays come when the only chance the Packers have left is to make something happen. While he definitely deserves some of the blame, he is not the sole reason the Packers have lost a single playoff game (with the exception being possibly the STL game that no one gave us a chance going into anyways). I would argue that the average QB (which we can call Rodgers for now, we won't know if he is better or worse for awhile), would not have even given the Packers the opportunity to lose in the playoffs. Can you say spoiled by one of the greatest QB's of all time for the last 16 years? Brett Favre's don't just drop out of the sky. His PHI interception came after the Packers defense could not hold the Eagles on 4th & 26. Against NYG, remember that they couldn't cover Burress to save their lives, and Grant's dismal 26 yards of rushing certainly didn't help either. Favre carried them into OT where he made a bad throw. I'm just happy he got us there. And to see how brainwashed many of fellow Packer fans have become through this whole ordeal is just painful. See sho nuff's posts as a perfect example.TT should have been fired the instant he did not welcome Favre back with open arms. And Packer fans are going to have to live with that regret for the rest of our lives. And I am a Packers fan #1, don't call me fair weather. Just because I disagree with what could quite possibly be the biggest blunder in the history of sports, and want what is best for my team, does not make me a bad fan. Eventually the rest of you will come around to see the light. Until then, I am going to continue to suffer as this disaster is going to take years to recover from.I'm pretty sure that even Matt Millen would have been smart enough to bring Favre back.

When you retire and are replaced by a ready to go co-worker, do you think your employer will take you back right away??Brett made his choice to leave this team, and he knew how good the talent was around him. Then he should be welcomed with open arms after he was asked if he wanted to come back prior only to say no. Brett made his choice to LEAVE the Green and Gold.Should Ted be fired for having good depth at CB to cover the loss of Harris. WOW no one wants to talk about that.Back to topic. Favre has had a great week so all the nay sayers are jumping out to scream. Now Rodgers might be hurt. although at this point he might even play this week people are screaming he is out. Till this QB is out no one should be complaining about an injury. If he is out there is no reason that people can not hope with all the talent around the young QBs that they can keep the team a float while he is out. This team is not built on one player, although the past great Packer teams only had one player his name was Brett Favre.

Brett made the choice to leave the team because he knew they didn't want him back. The Packers did nothing to ask Favre to comeback because TT and McCarthy made the decsion after the season that they didn't want him back. Why is this so hard to understand.Brett really thought the Packers were going to let him compete for his job in July but it took McCarthy 6 hours to finally get Brett to understand they did not want him back.

 

[Phase of the Game]

ESPN.com: NFL

Saturday, August 30, 2008

Jets' Favre says Green Bay told him he couldn't be a Packer

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Associated Press

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. -- As the tears rolled down his gray-stubbled cheeks, Brett Favre was saying goodbye to football and fighting his persistent doubts.

Even at his retirement news conference in March, he couldn't shake the feeling that he was making a huge mistake.

"I said, 'I might just be writing my career off right now,'" the New York Jets quarterback recalled earlier this week. "I've had 17 great years and there's no guarantee what the future holds, but you won't know unless you take that chance. And I was thinking that."

Nearly six months later, Favre is back on the field -- with the Jets instead of the Green Bay Packers. It's been an improbable whirlwind for the three-time MVP, who talked candidly with reporters about the events surrounding his retirement, his comeback, his bitter divorce from the Packers and joining the Jets.

"I think now that I'm here, that part is over and done with," Favre said. "No one in that locker room is worried about it. Not once has a guy said, 'Hey, sit down and tell me what happened.' They may want to know or whatever, but we're too busy. And I'm having a blast.

"It's been hard, but, really, I know I made the right decision."

Favre couldn't say the same of his choice to walk away from the game a few weeks after losing the NFC championship game against the New York Giants.

"I knew I wanted to play," the 38-year-old quarterback said. "Everyday I would wake up and say, 'Boy, I'd like to play.' At some point in the day, I'd go, 'Ahh, I don't know.' With each day that passed, I got more and more committed to do it, and that was all I was looking for from Day 1.

"As time passed by, I said, 'You know, I've still got the fire.'"

Favre appeared completely at ease during the informal 40-minute session, wearing a gray T-shirt and green Jets shorts while sitting casually in a chair in front of about 10 reporters. He cracked jokes at times, but turned serious when he spoke of the events of the last several months.

"I finally got to a point where I was committed, and to me, that includes everything," he said. "I've always considered myself the ultimate teammate, regardless of how I've been portrayed this year."

During the weeks leading to his retirement, Favre said Packers coach Mike McCarthy told him that the team wanted to know what his plans were for this season. Favre had waffled between playing and retiring several times during the previous few offseasons.

"The day I told McCarthy I was going to retire, he said, 'Are you sure?'" Favre recalled. "I said, 'No, I'm not sure, but you want an answer and I'm giving you an answer: I'm not sure.'"

Favre told McCarthy he felt a pull to play but, after 17 seasons, wasn't sure he still had the desire to go through minicamp, OTAs, training camp and other workouts.

"Now, I could've told them, 'All right, I'll come back,' even though at that time, I didn't want to," he said. "And then, July rolls around and we start camp and I go, 'God, I just ain't got it,' and then just walk away. Well, to me, that was worse than saying, 'Guys, if you want an answer right now, I'm just not 100 percent committed, and because of that, I'm retiring.' I was just honest with them."

Favre said he spoke to Packers' general manager Ted Thompson only once during the process, the day after the NFL draft in April.

"I always liked Ted and I don't want to say I dislike him now," he said. "I'm disappointed."

Thompson flew to Favre's Mississippi home, and the quarterback thought the general manager was there to ask him to come back. Instead, Thompson told him that the team was going to do something special for him: dismantle his locker and send it to him.

"That was the craziest thing I ever heard of," Favre said. "What the hell am I going to do with a locker anyway? So, I said, 'OK, Ted, that's great.'"

Thompson left shortly after the conversation, but not before Favre told him he might have reservations about retiring."I started getting the impression in May that, 'Boy, I feel like I need to play,'" the quarterback said. "The tough part was how do I get myself out of this jam? And that was before any of this ever came out. I was thinking, 'Boy, this is not going to look good.' ... Finally, I don't know the day, I woke up and said, 'I can't control what people are going to say, so why worry about it?'"

Favre

"When he picked up the phone again after he dropped it, he said, ' called McCarthy on June 20 and told him that he wanted to come back.

Oh, God, Brett. You're putting us in a tight spot,'" Favre said. "He said, 'Brett, playing here is not an option.' Those were his exact, exact words."The Packers made it clear they were moving forward with Aaron Rodgers as their starting quarterback.

"There's no guarantees I come back and I play as well as I did last year, but if you're a betting man and you said, 'OK, who gives us the best chance to win right now?' and this is not bragging, but I would think I would," said Favre, who threw for 4,155 yards and 28 touchdowns last season. "Aaron may play great and then they all look like geniuses, but to not welcome me back -- and I'm just assuming -- for fear of upsetting Aaron, not only now, but in the future, is totally ridiculous. Totally ridiculous."

Favre shot down reports that Thompson and McCarthy had chartered a flight to Mississippi to talk to the quarterback in late March about finalizing his comeback, only to have Favre back out at the last minute. Favre said McCarthy told him they were heading to Orlando, Fla., for the owners' meetings and wanted to stop by to speak with him.

"The next day I told him, 'Mike, don't worry about coming down or dropping by. I still can't commit,'" he said. "They made it sound like they had chartered a plane just to see me and I had made a call and said, 'I'm coming back,' which is not true."

A series of he-said, they-said accusations followed, as did rumors of where Favre might end up. The Packers wouldn't grant Favre his release to become a free agent, but Tampa Bay and the Jets entered the picture as trade partners.

Favre agreed to come to New York after a persuasive conversation with general manager Mike Tannenbaum.

"Mike called me on the phone and I couldn't get him to shut up," he said with a grin, "but he sold me."

Favre has promised the Jets nothing beyond this season. And, he says, none of that matters now, not with the season opener at Miami a week away.

"I didn't want to go anywhere, including Green Bay, and go through a bad season and lose and get beat up and everyone say, 'What the hell did he come back for?'" Favre said. "Now, that could happen here, it could happen in Green Bay and it could happen anywhere. I've always felt like I give whatever team I'm on a good chance to win, but there's way more to it than one guy. ...

"The bottom line was that I wanted to play and I felt like this team had a good chance to win. It would be difficult, as it would be anywhere, but I felt like this would be a good fit for me."

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

If he is out there is no reason that people can not hope with all the talent around the young QBs that they can keep the team a float while he is out. This team is not built on one player, although the past great Packer teams only had one player his name was Brett Favre.

Yeah, but no sense in talking about great TEs like Keith Jackson and Mark Chmura, or great defensive players like Leroy Butler and Darren Sharper, or great WRs like Sharpe and Freeman. Hell, don't forget that our SB MVP wasn't Favre, it was Desmond Howard, who as a special teams player, saved our butt a couple times on the road and during SB XXXI.And then there's Hall-of-Famer Reggie White. But no point mentioning him.

I'm guessing you're about 20 years old?

 

[Tau837]

When you retire and are replaced by a ready to go co-worker, do you think your employer will take you back right away??

If you are one of the best ever at your job, your co-worker replacement is unproven, and you just had one of your best years ever? Yes, your employer would take you back right away. HTH.

 

[Tau837]

If he is out there is no reason that people can not hope with all the talent around the young QBs that they can keep the team a float while he is out. This team is not built on one player, although the past great Packer teams only had one player his name was Brett Favre.

Yeah, but no sense in talking about great TEs like Keith Jackson and Mark Chmura, or great defensive players like Leroy Butler and Darren Sharper, or great WRs like Sharpe and Freeman. Hell, don't forget that our SB MVP wasn't Favre, it was Desmond Howard, who as a special teams player, saved our butt a couple times on the road and during SB XXXI.And then there's Hall-of-Famer Reggie White. But no point mentioning him. :(

I'm guessing you're about 20 years old?

Well, which are the great Packers teams? At the very least, I don't think Sharpe was on any of them...

 

[Kleck]

If he is out there is no reason that people can not hope with all the talent around the young QBs that they can keep the team a float while he is out. This team is not built on one player, although the past great Packer teams only had one player his name was Brett Favre.

Yeah, but no sense in talking about great TEs like Keith Jackson and Mark Chmura, or great defensive players like Leroy Butler and Darren Sharper, or great WRs like Sharpe and Freeman. Hell, don't forget that our SB MVP wasn't Favre, it was Desmond Howard, who as a special teams player, saved our butt a couple times on the road and during SB XXXI.And then there's Hall-of-Famer Reggie White. But no point mentioning him. :(

I'm guessing you're about 20 years old?

I'm guessing the you missed the of hauser's post.

 

[moderated]

All I am saying is there is not enough info to just call Rodgers injury prone.

I'll bite.What EXACTLY would you need to see from Rodgers to call him injury prone? Do you believe any players are injury prone?J

I believe the injury prone thing gets played out too much in fantasy circles.Id need to see some nagging recurring injury.The guy broke a foot when someone landed on it. Does that make him injury prone? And he finished the game with a broken foot.He had a hammy issue last year that caused him to miss time as a backup to Brett Favre.By the end of the season, he could have gone had they needed him.Right now he has a possible bruise/separation in his shoulder. He came in and played after the injury and even threw a TD pass after the injury.I don't think any of that makes him prone to injuries.On Favre...is he tough? Sure.Was he also good at avoiding those big hits? Most definitely. Something Rodgers does need to get accustomed to and learn for sure.But its not as if his body has something about him making him prone to getting hurt. Its one thing if he kept getting hurt by making mistakes...holding the ball too long...his scrambling...something.But so far, that is not the case at all.

He comes into his first real game and breaks his foot and misses the rest of the season.He struggled last year with hamstring injuries even though it never mattered.We have no knowledge this will happen but let's say FOR PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION that he misses 3 weeks here with the shoulder after 4 four games of the 2008 season.What exactly more would need to happen for you to consider him injury prone?J

Thank you J!Question Sho Nuff. Does an injury have to occur in the same location multiple times for a player to become injury prone?-From what I have read that is your definition.Oh yeh...Ryan Grant has been unreal as well...lol

No...thats not my definition...its "part" of my definition.We have very limited data on which to go on.He is no more injury prone from that limited data...as he was great and ready because of how he played against Dallas.Get it yet?

:( Are you going to define "is" for us too? Of course Rodgers is injury prone. No doubt about that. Only in shonuff's homer world is this not true.

All i ask is that you don't group Packer Homers with ShoNuff. Most Packer fans are actually pretty realistic and he's a bad example.Besides i think he's from Tenn and doesn't even watch the games.

 

[Sabertooth]

Regardless of the QB situation, this team isn't going very far if they continue to struggle with running the ball. Losing Harris for a few weeks or possibly longer, and now maybe Hawk for a while or the season certainly doesn't help either. Bigby being out the past two weeks has been a tough loss as well.

No running game and a banged up D is a good formula for struggling, but I'd rather see it it happen now than in December. There's still plenty of time to rebound, and no team in the NFC North is running away with a big early lead.

The Bears could easily be 6-2 by the time we get done with half of the season. The next 4 games for the Bears is Det twice; Falcons and Minny once (Minny game at home in SF). The Bears should be 4-0 right now. They had a solid Carolina and Bucs team beat but gave the game away due to their own mistakes + bad refereeing (see Tillman penalty where the Bucs OL was actually choking Ogunleye on the ground but refs decided to swallow that whistle).

But keep underestimating them....

The old bad refs huh?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Like I have said all summer long, the Packers are a Brett Favre away from being true superbowl contenders. Rodgers has been hurt every time he has seen action. I'm actually surprised he made it as long as he did without getting injured. 3 injuries within 7 games (some of those games partial) ... just how many more injuries does he need before the rest of you start giving some consideration towards the term "injury prone"You don't build for 2012 when you were one drive away from the superbowl. When your HOF, pro-bowl, 3x MVP iron-man QB wants to come out of retirement for another shot, you thank God for being blessed -- you don't run him out of town. And for those who think Favre doesn't play as good in the playoffs -- I think you are overlooking that Favre has often carried this team into the playoffs, and then lost to better teams where the overall talent was just too much to overcome. Many of his bad plays come when the only chance the Packers have left is to make something happen. While he definitely deserves some of the blame, he is not the sole reason the Packers have lost a single playoff game (with the exception being possibly the STL game that no one gave us a chance going into anyways). I would argue that the average QB (which we can call Rodgers for now, we won't know if he is better or worse for awhile), would not have even given the Packers the opportunity to lose in the playoffs. Can you say spoiled by one of the greatest QB's of all time for the last 16 years? Brett Favre's don't just drop out of the sky. His PHI interception came after the Packers defense could not hold the Eagles on 4th & 26. Against NYG, remember that they couldn't cover Burress to save their lives, and Grant's dismal 26 yards of rushing certainly didn't help either. Favre carried them into OT where he made a bad throw. I'm just happy he got us there. And to see how brainwashed many of fellow Packer fans have become through this whole ordeal is just painful. See sho nuff's posts as a perfect example.TT should have been fired the instant he did not welcome Favre back with open arms. And Packer fans are going to have to live with that regret for the rest of our lives. And I am a Packers fan #1, don't call me fair weather. Just because I disagree with what could quite possibly be the biggest blunder in the history of sports, and want what is best for my team, does not make me a bad fan. Eventually the rest of you will come around to see the light. Until then, I am going to continue to suffer as this disaster is going to take years to recover from.I'm pretty sure that even Matt Millen would have been smart enough to bring Favre back.

Did you say the same thing when Joe Montana left San Francisco? Marcus Allen left the Raiders? What about Reggie White - retired, unretired, played for Panthers. Did you want a GM fired for that? There is a long list of this happening in the sport.It's funny to hear people calling for Thompson's head because this happens all the time in the NFL - with hall of fame players. It's a business. Period. Let's not confuse this for anything other than what it is. And on the flip side, this does nothing to 'tarnish' Favre's legacy. In a few years this will all blow over and we'll remember how great he was.So take a deep breath and stop with the fire Thompson nonsense.

 

[GreenNGold]

Did you say the same thing when Joe Montana left San Francisco? Marcus Allen left the Raiders? What about Reggie White - retired, unretired, played for Panthers. Did you want a GM fired for that? There is a long list of this happening in the sport.It's funny to hear people calling for Thompson's head because this happens all the time in the NFL - with hall of fame players. It's a business. Period. Let's not confuse this for anything other than what it is. And on the flip side, this does nothing to 'tarnish' Favre's legacy. In a few years this will all blow over and we'll remember how great he was.So take a deep breath and stop with the fire Thompson nonsense.

You are forgetting that Steve Young won the MVP while Montana was hurt before they traded him to KC. Reggie White was a completely different story, and the parting was mutual. I think he wanted to play in Carolina only because it was close to his home, the respectful Packers organization (at the time) granted his wish as a sign of respect for all he had done for the organization. Also, do you think Al Davis handled the Marcus Allen situation well? I dont really know/remember much at all about that situation.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Did you say the same thing when Joe Montana left San Francisco? Marcus Allen left the Raiders? What about Reggie White - retired, unretired, played for Panthers. Did you want a GM fired for that? There is a long list of this happening in the sport.It's funny to hear people calling for Thompson's head because this happens all the time in the NFL - with hall of fame players. It's a business. Period. Let's not confuse this for anything other than what it is. And on the flip side, this does nothing to 'tarnish' Favre's legacy. In a few years this will all blow over and we'll remember how great he was.So take a deep breath and stop with the fire Thompson nonsense.

You are forgetting that Steve Young won the MVP while Montana was hurt before they traded him to KC. Reggie White was a completely different story, and the parting was mutual. I think he wanted to play in Carolina only because it was close to his home, the respectful Packers organization (at the time) granted his wish as a sign of respect for all he had done for the organization. Also, do you think Al Davis handled the Marcus Allen situation well? I dont really know/remember much at all about that situation.

Can we stop playing the 'respect' card. Both sides in the Favre/Packers saga showed disrepectful behavior.The point is, this happens all the time. We have to stop taking Favre's departure as a personal insult. It wasn't.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Like I have said all summer long, the Packers are a Brett Favre away from being true superbowl contenders.

Rodgers has been hurt every time he has seen action. I'm actually surprised he made it as long as he did without getting injured. 3 injuries within 7 games (some of those games partial) ... just how many more injuries does he need before the rest of you start giving some consideration towards the term "injury prone"

You don't build for 2012 when you were one drive away from the superbowl. When your HOF, pro-bowl, 3x MVP iron-man QB wants to come out of retirement for another shot, you thank God for being blessed -- you don't run him out of town.

And for those who think Favre doesn't play as good in the playoffs -- I think you are overlooking that Favre has often carried this team into the playoffs, and then lost to better teams where the overall talent was just too much to overcome. Many of his bad plays come when the only chance the Packers have left is to make something happen. While he definitely deserves some of the blame, he is not the sole reason the Packers have lost a single playoff game (with the exception being possibly the STL game that no one gave us a chance going into anyways).

I would argue that the average QB (which we can call Rodgers for now, we won't know if he is better or worse for awhile), would not have even given the Packers the opportunity to lose in the playoffs. Can you say spoiled by one of the greatest QB's of all time for the last 16 years? Brett Favre's don't just drop out of the sky.

His PHI interception came after the Packers defense could not hold the Eagles on 4th & 26.

Against NYG, remember that they couldn't cover Burress to save their lives, and Grant's dismal 26 yards of rushing certainly didn't help either. Favre carried them into OT where he made a bad throw. I'm just happy he got us there.

And to see how brainwashed many of fellow Packer fans have become through this whole ordeal is just painful. See sho nuff's posts as a perfect example.

TT should have been fired the instant he did not welcome Favre back with open arms. And Packer fans are going to have to live with that regret for the rest of our lives.

And I am a Packers fan #1, don't call me fair weather. Just because I disagree with what could quite possibly be the biggest blunder in the history of sports, and want what is best for my team, does not make me a bad fan. Eventually the rest of you will come around to see the light. Until then, I am going to continue to suffer as this disaster is going to take years to recover from.

I'm pretty sure that even Matt Millen would have been smart enough to bring Favre back.

It's funny to hear people calling for Thompson's head because this happens all the time in the NFL - with hall of fame players. It's a business. Period. Let's not confuse this for anything other than what it is.

What went down with the Packers and Favre DOES NOT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.

 

[Aaronstory]

Regardless of the QB situation, this team isn't going very far if they continue to struggle with running the ball. Losing Harris for a few weeks or possibly longer, and now maybe Hawk for a while or the season certainly doesn't help either. Bigby being out the past two weeks has been a tough loss as well.

No running game and a banged up D is a good formula for struggling, but I'd rather see it it happen now than in December. There's still plenty of time to rebound, and no team in the NFC North is running away with a big early lead.

The Bears should be 4-0 right now.

But they're not. Sucks, doesn't it?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Like I have said all summer long, the Packers are a Brett Favre away from being true superbowl contenders.

Rodgers has been hurt every time he has seen action. I'm actually surprised he made it as long as he did without getting injured. 3 injuries within 7 games (some of those games partial) ... just how many more injuries does he need before the rest of you start giving some consideration towards the term "injury prone"

You don't build for 2012 when you were one drive away from the superbowl. When your HOF, pro-bowl, 3x MVP iron-man QB wants to come out of retirement for another shot, you thank God for being blessed -- you don't run him out of town.

And for those who think Favre doesn't play as good in the playoffs -- I think you are overlooking that Favre has often carried this team into the playoffs, and then lost to better teams where the overall talent was just too much to overcome. Many of his bad plays come when the only chance the Packers have left is to make something happen. While he definitely deserves some of the blame, he is not the sole reason the Packers have lost a single playoff game (with the exception being possibly the STL game that no one gave us a chance going into anyways).

I would argue that the average QB (which we can call Rodgers for now, we won't know if he is better or worse for awhile), would not have even given the Packers the opportunity to lose in the playoffs. Can you say spoiled by one of the greatest QB's of all time for the last 16 years? Brett Favre's don't just drop out of the sky.

His PHI interception came after the Packers defense could not hold the Eagles on 4th & 26.

Against NYG, remember that they couldn't cover Burress to save their lives, and Grant's dismal 26 yards of rushing certainly didn't help either. Favre carried them into OT where he made a bad throw. I'm just happy he got us there.

And to see how brainwashed many of fellow Packer fans have become through this whole ordeal is just painful. See sho nuff's posts as a perfect example.

TT should have been fired the instant he did not welcome Favre back with open arms. And Packer fans are going to have to live with that regret for the rest of our lives.

And I am a Packers fan #1, don't call me fair weather. Just because I disagree with what could quite possibly be the biggest blunder in the history of sports, and want what is best for my team, does not make me a bad fan. Eventually the rest of you will come around to see the light. Until then, I am going to continue to suffer as this disaster is going to take years to recover from.

I'm pretty sure that even Matt Millen would have been smart enough to bring Favre back.

It's funny to hear people calling for Thompson's head because this happens all the time in the NFL - with hall of fame players. It's a business. Period. Let's not confuse this for anything other than what it is.

What went down with the Packers and Favre DOES NOT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.

Leroy Butler sums it up the best: "The one thing I don't want to hear is anything about Brett Favre, should've, would've. That's gone. It's just going to your next move."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=800478

But to play along, didn't Steve McNair orchestrated his departure from the Titans in a very similar manner with the same agent? But beyond that, players, even star players, become disgruntled due to managemetn decisions and flex their muscle to get their ticket out of town. If you don't think this has been happening, you haven't been paying attention to the NFL.

Javon Walker didn't like management. Got his ticket out of town. TO didn't like management, in several places, got his ticket out of town. Brett Favre didn't like management, got his ticket out of town.

Why is this so different? I do not get it at all.

 

[sho nuff]

You are just mad because you have been wrong so often and on so many different counts now (wrong about Favre; wrong about Rodgers; wrong about the Bears etc), that your ego is going the way ted thompson's went. Biggest joke of a front office in the NFL is the packers. Nice job gutting your own NFC Championship team. Thanks for the entertainment though with your homerism fueled drivel. It is very funny!!!! Oh and enjoy Matt Flynn take your team to the cellar if Rodgers is out.

Im glad the Bears fan has climbed out of his bunker long enough to spout off.Wrong about Favre? How so?Wrong about Rodgers? About what?Funny that it is you who has been dead wrong about Thompson and McCarthy and called the picks of Rodgers and Brohm to be wasted already.Calling them the biggest joke of a front office is hilarious given their record even since Thompson took over and how he changed the team. But keep trying.Also thanks for slinging a few insults...its good to see nothing has changed with you.

 

[GreenNGold]

Like I have said all summer long, the Packers are a Brett Favre away from being true superbowl contenders.

Rodgers has been hurt every time he has seen action. I'm actually surprised he made it as long as he did without getting injured. 3 injuries within 7 games (some of those games partial) ... just how many more injuries does he need before the rest of you start giving some consideration towards the term "injury prone"

You don't build for 2012 when you were one drive away from the superbowl. When your HOF, pro-bowl, 3x MVP iron-man QB wants to come out of retirement for another shot, you thank God for being blessed -- you don't run him out of town.

And for those who think Favre doesn't play as good in the playoffs -- I think you are overlooking that Favre has often carried this team into the playoffs, and then lost to better teams where the overall talent was just too much to overcome. Many of his bad plays come when the only chance the Packers have left is to make something happen. While he definitely deserves some of the blame, he is not the sole reason the Packers have lost a single playoff game (with the exception being possibly the STL game that no one gave us a chance going into anyways).

I would argue that the average QB (which we can call Rodgers for now, we won't know if he is better or worse for awhile), would not have even given the Packers the opportunity to lose in the playoffs. Can you say spoiled by one of the greatest QB's of all time for the last 16 years? Brett Favre's don't just drop out of the sky.

His PHI interception came after the Packers defense could not hold the Eagles on 4th & 26.

Against NYG, remember that they couldn't cover Burress to save their lives, and Grant's dismal 26 yards of rushing certainly didn't help either. Favre carried them into OT where he made a bad throw. I'm just happy he got us there.

And to see how brainwashed many of fellow Packer fans have become through this whole ordeal is just painful. See sho nuff's posts as a perfect example.

TT should have been fired the instant he did not welcome Favre back with open arms. And Packer fans are going to have to live with that regret for the rest of our lives.

And I am a Packers fan #1, don't call me fair weather. Just because I disagree with what could quite possibly be the biggest blunder in the history of sports, and want what is best for my team, does not make me a bad fan. Eventually the rest of you will come around to see the light. Until then, I am going to continue to suffer as this disaster is going to take years to recover from.

I'm pretty sure that even Matt Millen would have been smart enough to bring Favre back.

It's funny to hear people calling for Thompson's head because this happens all the time in the NFL - with hall of fame players. It's a business. Period. Let's not confuse this for anything other than what it is.

What went down with the Packers and Favre DOES NOT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.

Leroy Butler sums it up the best: "The one thing I don't want to hear is anything about Brett Favre, should've, would've. That's gone. It's just going to your next move."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=800478

But to play along, didn't Steve McNair orchestrated his departure from the Titans in a very similar manner with the same agent? But beyond that, players, even star players, become disgruntled due to managemetn decisions and flex their muscle to get their ticket out of town. If you don't think this has been happening, you haven't been paying attention to the NFL.

Javon Walker didn't like management. Got his ticket out of town. TO didn't like management, in several places, got his ticket out of town. Brett Favre didn't like management, got his ticket out of town.

Why is this so different? I do not get it at all.

Comparing Favre to any of those players is just ridiculous. All of those players had either injuries or extreme behavioral problems and/or unjust contract demands that the team didn't want to keep them around.

Favre is perfectly healthy and coming off of one of his best seasons in one of the best careers anyone has had of all time. And the Packers chose to force him out.

His first choice was to play in Green Bay. You can keep drinking the kool-aid and believe otherwise if you want.

And LeRoy is right. We need to move on. And the only way we can do so is by FIRING TT NOW!!! But we are always going to talk about should've,would've, could've, because it was such a major decision, you can't just erase 16 years of memories by saying "move on"

 

[sho nuff]

Like I have said all summer long, the Packers are a Brett Favre away from being true superbowl contenders. Rodgers has been hurt every time he has seen action. I'm actually surprised he made it as long as he did without getting injured. 3 injuries within 7 games (some of those games partial) ... just how many more injuries does he need before the rest of you start giving some consideration towards the term "injury prone"You don't build for 2012 when you were one drive away from the superbowl. When your HOF, pro-bowl, 3x MVP iron-man QB wants to come out of retirement for another shot, you thank God for being blessed -- you don't run him out of town. And for those who think Favre doesn't play as good in the playoffs -- I think you are overlooking that Favre has often carried this team into the playoffs, and then lost to better teams where the overall talent was just too much to overcome. Many of his bad plays come when the only chance the Packers have left is to make something happen. While he definitely deserves some of the blame, he is not the sole reason the Packers have lost a single playoff game (with the exception being possibly the STL game that no one gave us a chance going into anyways). I would argue that the average QB (which we can call Rodgers for now, we won't know if he is better or worse for awhile), would not have even given the Packers the opportunity to lose in the playoffs. Can you say spoiled by one of the greatest QB's of all time for the last 16 years? Brett Favre's don't just drop out of the sky. His PHI interception came after the Packers defense could not hold the Eagles on 4th & 26. Against NYG, remember that they couldn't cover Burress to save their lives, and Grant's dismal 26 yards of rushing certainly didn't help either. Favre carried them into OT where he made a bad throw. I'm just happy he got us there. And to see how brainwashed many of fellow Packer fans have become through this whole ordeal is just painful. See sho nuff's posts as a perfect example.TT should have been fired the instant he did not welcome Favre back with open arms. And Packer fans are going to have to live with that regret for the rest of our lives. And I am a Packers fan #1, don't call me fair weather. Just because I disagree with what could quite possibly be the biggest blunder in the history of sports, and want what is best for my team, does not make me a bad fan. Eventually the rest of you will come around to see the light. Until then, I am going to continue to suffer as this disaster is going to take years to recover from.I'm pretty sure that even Matt Millen would have been smart enough to bring Favre back.

But they did give up 4th and 26. Sure, the INT should not have happened as it should have been over.But like the Bears fan with the should be 4-0...sorry, they are 2-2...and sorry, the defense did give it up.And Favre did throw a bad INT in that one.How about the Rams game?And that pass in OT last year, was not his only bad pass of that game.Look, Im not one to just bash the guy, say he is washed up or had nothing left.But a GM must look at more than just they were 13-3 last season.They have to look at how the guy played, not just in the regular season, but in the playoffs...and his postseason numbers were not great.Sure, he carried them at times...but he was also a liability at times.Lots of blame to go around for the NY game...it was not just on Favre and the INT, or Grant, or Harris...it was a combo of that plus some questionable playcalling (sorry, that last play when everyone was running deeper patterns in that weather was ridiculous)And Ive been brainwashed?Care to unpack that a bit and actually explain rather than just a hit and run insult?

 

[teamroc]

Leroy Butler sums it up the best: "The one thing I don't want to hear is anything about Brett Favre, should've, would've. That's gone. It's just going to your next move."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=800478

But to play along, didn't Steve McNair orchestrated his departure from the Titans in a very similar manner with the same agent? But beyond that, players, even star players, become disgruntled due to managemetn decisions and flex their muscle to get their ticket out of town. If you don't think this has been happening, you haven't been paying attention to the NFL.

Javon Walker didn't like management. Got his ticket out of town. TO didn't like management, in several places, got his ticket out of town. Brett Favre didn't like management, got his ticket out of town.

Why is this so different? I do not get it at all.

Rolleyes? When you're so completely confused? Probably shouldn't be mocking someone elses opinion. Favre wanted to come back to GB. They basically said that they've moved on, drafted 2 QBs, it's done. Sure feelings got hurt the longer it went on. But Favre contacted them to come back with the PACKERS. When it was clear they wouldn't do it, Favre got his feelings hurt, and wanted out of town.

Regardless, they didn't want Favre back, at any time after the draft. They burned 2 picks on QBs, gave Rodgers the job and it was done. Favre didn't retire, and then suddenly want to play for the Vikings. That was only after he was rebuffed. And to me, it seems like the draft was the key point. Packers sources have said they certainly wouldn't have used a pick on Brohm if Favre was coming back. And then probably cut Flynn, a waste of a 6th round pick. I can understand TT going “WTF we just used 2 picks on QBs now you want to play again?”. But after 5 mins, you cool down, look at things on paper. You take him back, start him. Extend Rodgers with a 3 year deal, they had TONS of cap room (still do). Cut Flynn. You get a shot at the SB, you keep Rodgers for the future, and you deal with wasting a 6th round pick. Yes Favre jerked them around, was a drama queen. So is TO. But Favre gives them a better shot at winning, end of story. Every single player except Rodgers would have wanted Favre back, without question. Rodgers would have disappointed, okay you deal with that. Extend him, he gets more money.

It’s winning, and that’s it. There’s no “take a moral stand against an aging legend trying to pull a power play”. NFL teams will use and abuse players in a drop of the hat. To even play the “Packers were helpless victims to Favre’s mood changes” is laughable. Swallow your ego, welcome him back and make a run at the SB. And to go into the year, with a 1st year starter with injuries issues, and have two rookie backup QBs. They’ve never thrown a pass in the NFL. That was almost indefensible. The complete mismanagement of the situation, the blatant ego involved, sacrificing your chances this year to make a point? This is the problem with not having an owner. He would have stepped in, told TT to deal with the hurt feelings, and told Favre to suit up. GMs obsess about value. Favre coming back meant TT just wasted a bunch of value with his 2nd/6th round picks. You deal with it. You simply can’t let the GM go “we’re worse off, but we really like Rodgers”. Sorry, they could have had their cake and ate it too.

But to claim Favre wanted out of GB the entire time, simply isn't true. The relationship dissolved, mostly because the Packers wanted Favre to be a blogger, not a QB.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Like I have said all summer long, the Packers are a Brett Favre away from being true superbowl contenders.

Rodgers has been hurt every time he has seen action. I'm actually surprised he made it as long as he did without getting injured. 3 injuries within 7 games (some of those games partial) ... just how many more injuries does he need before the rest of you start giving some consideration towards the term "injury prone"

You don't build for 2012 when you were one drive away from the superbowl. When your HOF, pro-bowl, 3x MVP iron-man QB wants to come out of retirement for another shot, you thank God for being blessed -- you don't run him out of town.

And for those who think Favre doesn't play as good in the playoffs -- I think you are overlooking that Favre has often carried this team into the playoffs, and then lost to better teams where the overall talent was just too much to overcome. Many of his bad plays come when the only chance the Packers have left is to make something happen. While he definitely deserves some of the blame, he is not the sole reason the Packers have lost a single playoff game (with the exception being possibly the STL game that no one gave us a chance going into anyways).

I would argue that the average QB (which we can call Rodgers for now, we won't know if he is better or worse for awhile), would not have even given the Packers the opportunity to lose in the playoffs. Can you say spoiled by one of the greatest QB's of all time for the last 16 years? Brett Favre's don't just drop out of the sky.

His PHI interception came after the Packers defense could not hold the Eagles on 4th & 26.

Against NYG, remember that they couldn't cover Burress to save their lives, and Grant's dismal 26 yards of rushing certainly didn't help either. Favre carried them into OT where he made a bad throw. I'm just happy he got us there.

And to see how brainwashed many of fellow Packer fans have become through this whole ordeal is just painful. See sho nuff's posts as a perfect example.

TT should have been fired the instant he did not welcome Favre back with open arms. And Packer fans are going to have to live with that regret for the rest of our lives.

And I am a Packers fan #1, don't call me fair weather. Just because I disagree with what could quite possibly be the biggest blunder in the history of sports, and want what is best for my team, does not make me a bad fan. Eventually the rest of you will come around to see the light. Until then, I am going to continue to suffer as this disaster is going to take years to recover from.

I'm pretty sure that even Matt Millen would have been smart enough to bring Favre back.

It's funny to hear people calling for Thompson's head because this happens all the time in the NFL - with hall of fame players. It's a business. Period. Let's not confuse this for anything other than what it is.

What went down with the Packers and Favre DOES NOT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.

Leroy Butler sums it up the best: "The one thing I don't want to hear is anything about Brett Favre, should've, would've. That's gone. It's just going to your next move."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=800478

But to play along, didn't Steve McNair orchestrated his departure from the Titans in a very similar manner with the same agent? But beyond that, players, even star players, become disgruntled due to managemetn decisions and flex their muscle to get their ticket out of town. If you don't think this has been happening, you haven't been paying attention to the NFL.

Javon Walker didn't like management. Got his ticket out of town. TO didn't like management, in several places, got his ticket out of town. Brett Favre didn't like management, got his ticket out of town.

Why is this so different? I do not get it at all.

His first choice was to play in Green Bay. You can keep drinking the kool-aid and believe otherwise if you want.

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you keep your pristine Brett Favre image in your head. Fact is, Favre's hated Thompson since his arrival. You need only look at the sound bites and quotes of Favre questioning his every move. At the end of the day, disgruntled employees get shown the door. It really is simple in that respect.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Leroy Butler sums it up the best: "The one thing I don't want to hear is anything about Brett Favre, should've, would've. That's gone. It's just going to your next move."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=800478

But to play along, didn't Steve McNair orchestrated his departure from the Titans in a very similar manner with the same agent? But beyond that, players, even star players, become disgruntled due to managemetn decisions and flex their muscle to get their ticket out of town. If you don't think this has been happening, you haven't been paying attention to the NFL.

Javon Walker didn't like management. Got his ticket out of town. TO didn't like management, in several places, got his ticket out of town. Brett Favre didn't like management, got his ticket out of town.

Why is this so different? I do not get it at all.

Rolleyes? When you're so completely confused? Probably shouldn't be mocking someone elses opinion.

You get a double.

 

[sho nuff]

Brett made the choice to leave the team because he knew they didn't want him back. The Packers did nothing to ask Favre to comeback because TT and McCarthy made the decsion after the season that they didn't want him back. Why is this so hard to understand.Brett really thought the Packers were going to let him compete for his job in July but it took McCarthy 6 hours to finally get Brett to understand they did not want him back.

He made his choice to leave because they gave him a timeline in which to have his decision.He was not ready to commit to playing...so he retired. This is based on his words even.This, they did not want him back crap is just that.McCarthy talked to the guy weekly.Yes...McC and TT did not beg the guy or go out and buy him some more toys. Sorry...they did ask him...McCarthy did.Why is that so hard for you to understand.Then he asked to come back several times...but again could not commit to it. Including his agent shopping him around back in April if you believe those reports.When he did it the final time...they said no. And by both Favre's words and McCarthy's words after that meeting...it was not that he got Brett to understand they did not want him back...its they both understood him coming back was not going to happen, that he was not going to commit to the late film sessions and everything he did the previous year. Because they did not think it would be right for him to go out there and take over the #1 job (Favre even said he did not want to do that to Rodgers).It was never just as simple as...Favre said he wanted back one time and they just told him to shove it.

 

[sho nuff]

When you retire and are replaced by a ready to go co-worker, do you think your employer will take you back right away??

If you are one of the best ever at your job, your co-worker replacement is unproven, and you just had one of your best years ever? Yes, your employer would take you back right away. HTH.

Even after you basically call your boss a liar and play things out through ESPN?I doubt it.

 

[sho nuff]

All i ask is that you don't group Packer Homers with ShoNuff. Most Packer fans are actually pretty realistic and he's a bad example.Besides i think he's from Tenn and doesn't even watch the games.

A. I was born in Wisconsin...my location now is pretty irrelevant. I don't watch the games? I have missed one out of the 3 this year live. B. Im glad another one of these posts has turned into a pile on sho nuff because he speaks facts rather than just opinion...because he refuses to bow down at the feet of Brett Favre and actually supports what the team has done in this.C. Realistic? Your stance on Ryan Grant is anything but realisitic.D. You don't like my posts...ignore me...but don't go jump into any other posts simply just to bash me...pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

 

[sho nuff]

Like I have said all summer long, the Packers are a Brett Favre away from being true superbowl contenders. Rodgers has been hurt every time he has seen action. I'm actually surprised he made it as long as he did without getting injured. 3 injuries within 7 games (some of those games partial) ... just how many more injuries does he need before the rest of you start giving some consideration towards the term "injury prone"You don't build for 2012 when you were one drive away from the superbowl. When your HOF, pro-bowl, 3x MVP iron-man QB wants to come out of retirement for another shot, you thank God for being blessed -- you don't run him out of town. And for those who think Favre doesn't play as good in the playoffs -- I think you are overlooking that Favre has often carried this team into the playoffs, and then lost to better teams where the overall talent was just too much to overcome. Many of his bad plays come when the only chance the Packers have left is to make something happen. While he definitely deserves some of the blame, he is not the sole reason the Packers have lost a single playoff game (with the exception being possibly the STL game that no one gave us a chance going into anyways). I would argue that the average QB (which we can call Rodgers for now, we won't know if he is better or worse for awhile), would not have even given the Packers the opportunity to lose in the playoffs. Can you say spoiled by one of the greatest QB's of all time for the last 16 years? Brett Favre's don't just drop out of the sky. His PHI interception came after the Packers defense could not hold the Eagles on 4th & 26. Against NYG, remember that they couldn't cover Burress to save their lives, and Grant's dismal 26 yards of rushing certainly didn't help either. Favre carried them into OT where he made a bad throw. I'm just happy he got us there. And to see how brainwashed many of fellow Packer fans have become through this whole ordeal is just painful. See sho nuff's posts as a perfect example.TT should have been fired the instant he did not welcome Favre back with open arms. And Packer fans are going to have to live with that regret for the rest of our lives. And I am a Packers fan #1, don't call me fair weather. Just because I disagree with what could quite possibly be the biggest blunder in the history of sports, and want what is best for my team, does not make me a bad fan. Eventually the rest of you will come around to see the light. Until then, I am going to continue to suffer as this disaster is going to take years to recover from.I'm pretty sure that even Matt Millen would have been smart enough to bring Favre back.

Did you say the same thing when Joe Montana left San Francisco? Marcus Allen left the Raiders? What about Reggie White - retired, unretired, played for Panthers. Did you want a GM fired for that? There is a long list of this happening in the sport.It's funny to hear people calling for Thompson's head because this happens all the time in the NFL - with hall of fame players. It's a business. Period. Let's not confuse this for anything other than what it is. And on the flip side, this does nothing to 'tarnish' Favre's legacy. In a few years this will all blow over and we'll remember how great he was.So take a deep breath and stop with the fire Thompson nonsense.

No...you are just a Packer homer.Its all on TT...there can be no other way. He must just suck.Oh...and I agree about the legacy...despite all this, he remains my favorite player of all time.Hell, I still have a picture of him hanging in my cube at work, right next to one of Leroy Butler, one of Bart Starr, one of Lombardi.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Brett made the choice to leave the team because he knew they didn't want him back. The Packers did nothing to ask Favre to comeback because TT and McCarthy made the decsion after the season that they didn't want him back. Why is this so hard to understand.Brett really thought the Packers were going to let him compete for his job in July but it took McCarthy 6 hours to finally get Brett to understand they did not want him back.

He made his choice to leave because they gave him a timeline in which to have his decision.He was not ready to commit to playing...so he retired. This is based on his words even.This, they did not want him back crap is just that.McCarthy talked to the guy weekly.Yes...McC and TT did not beg the guy or go out and buy him some more toys. Sorry...they did ask him...McCarthy did.Why is that so hard for you to understand.Then he asked to come back several times...but again could not commit to it. Including his agent shopping him around back in April if you believe those reports.When he did it the final time...they said no. And by both Favre's words and McCarthy's words after that meeting...it was not that he got Brett to understand they did not want him back...its they both understood him coming back was not going to happen, that he was not going to commit to the late film sessions and everything he did the previous year. Because they did not think it would be right for him to go out there and take over the #1 job (Favre even said he did not want to do that to Rodgers).It was never just as simple as...Favre said he wanted back one time and they just told him to shove it.

McCarthy did talk to Favre but never asked him back. TT had ONE conversation with Favre prior to the draft. Does that seem like TT wanted Favre back. The answer is NO! I also have not heard any reports that McCarthy tried to talk Favre out of his decision when Favre admitted he didn't know if he was making the right decision. It is unreal that you can't accept the fact that TT and McCarthy made a decsion early in 2008 and some say the end of 2007 that they were ready to move on without Favre. All the Packers had to do was tell Brett he was their guy and he was wanted back after the NFC Championship but they did not do that because they decided they did not want him back. Virtually every NFL beat writer and media person has acknowledged this including an article from Bob McGinn.

 

[sho nuff]

Like I have said all summer long, the Packers are a Brett Favre away from being true superbowl contenders.

Rodgers has been hurt every time he has seen action. I'm actually surprised he made it as long as he did without getting injured. 3 injuries within 7 games (some of those games partial) ... just how many more injuries does he need before the rest of you start giving some consideration towards the term "injury prone"

You don't build for 2012 when you were one drive away from the superbowl. When your HOF, pro-bowl, 3x MVP iron-man QB wants to come out of retirement for another shot, you thank God for being blessed -- you don't run him out of town.

And for those who think Favre doesn't play as good in the playoffs -- I think you are overlooking that Favre has often carried this team into the playoffs, and then lost to better teams where the overall talent was just too much to overcome. Many of his bad plays come when the only chance the Packers have left is to make something happen. While he definitely deserves some of the blame, he is not the sole reason the Packers have lost a single playoff game (with the exception being possibly the STL game that no one gave us a chance going into anyways).

I would argue that the average QB (which we can call Rodgers for now, we won't know if he is better or worse for awhile), would not have even given the Packers the opportunity to lose in the playoffs. Can you say spoiled by one of the greatest QB's of all time for the last 16 years? Brett Favre's don't just drop out of the sky.

His PHI interception came after the Packers defense could not hold the Eagles on 4th & 26.

Against NYG, remember that they couldn't cover Burress to save their lives, and Grant's dismal 26 yards of rushing certainly didn't help either. Favre carried them into OT where he made a bad throw. I'm just happy he got us there.

And to see how brainwashed many of fellow Packer fans have become through this whole ordeal is just painful. See sho nuff's posts as a perfect example.

TT should have been fired the instant he did not welcome Favre back with open arms. And Packer fans are going to have to live with that regret for the rest of our lives.

And I am a Packers fan #1, don't call me fair weather. Just because I disagree with what could quite possibly be the biggest blunder in the history of sports, and want what is best for my team, does not make me a bad fan. Eventually the rest of you will come around to see the light. Until then, I am going to continue to suffer as this disaster is going to take years to recover from.

I'm pretty sure that even Matt Millen would have been smart enough to bring Favre back.

It's funny to hear people calling for Thompson's head because this happens all the time in the NFL - with hall of fame players. It's a business. Period. Let's not confuse this for anything other than what it is.

What went down with the Packers and Favre DOES NOT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.

Leroy Butler sums it up the best: "The one thing I don't want to hear is anything about Brett Favre, should've, would've. That's gone. It's just going to your next move."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=800478

But to play along, didn't Steve McNair orchestrated his departure from the Titans in a very similar manner with the same agent? But beyond that, players, even star players, become disgruntled due to managemetn decisions and flex their muscle to get their ticket out of town. If you don't think this has been happening, you haven't been paying attention to the NFL.

Javon Walker didn't like management. Got his ticket out of town. TO didn't like management, in several places, got his ticket out of town. Brett Favre didn't like management, got his ticket out of town.

Why is this so different? I do not get it at all.

Because what some people won't admit...there is alot of emotion tied up in Brett Favre.They will deny this...they did when it went down.

But it shows in this respect thing...and those who claimed they owe it to him just to release him.

That is all out of emotion.