The Packers - Start Favre This Weekend (1 Viewer)

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Unfortunately I have not had the chance to watch the Packers this year (lifelong fan) but I got a feeling that they may be a better team than I originally gave them credit for entering the season. Unfortunately even if the Packers turn things around this weekend and beat Detroit, a challenge for a wildcard spot will be unlikely given the two losses at home to start the season. I do expect a win this weekend but also expect a loss the following weekend at Philly. Maybe I am wrong.

I do think Favre is a great start this weekend. 300 yards and 2 tds. Book it.

 

[bonesman]

i like your optimism.... especially since Favre has been pretty horrendous at the Silverdome.

I'd like to see 3 TDs though (and one to Driver this week please)... i really want him to finish ahead of Marino this season

 

[Ozymandias]

Unfortunately I have not had the chance to watch the Packers this year (lifelong fan) but I got a feeling that they may be a better team than I originally gave them credit for entering the season. Unfortunately even if the Packers turn things around this weekend and beat Detroit, a challenge for a wildcard spot will be unlikely given the two losses at home to start the season. I do expect a win this weekend but also expect a loss the following weekend at Philly. Maybe I am wrong.I do think Favre is a great start this weekend. 300 yards and 2 tds. Book it.

I will book it. 300 yards, 2 td's, 4 int's.

 

[WisWolvrns]

Farve... in a dome... I'd think twice about starting him... the majority of his dome games haven't ended well...

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Farve... in a dome... I'd think twice about starting him... the majority of his dome games haven't ended well...

Is it the dome or the astroturf, which is gone?Personally I don't buy into all the dome BS.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Farve... in a dome... I'd think twice about starting him... the majority of his dome games haven't ended well...

Is it the dome or the astroturf, which is gone?Personally I don't buy into all the dome BS.

You don't have to buy into it. Just take a look at Favre's numbers while playing in domes.

 

[Beetle]

This is the week Kitna throws for 300+ and 3 TDs - lock it up.

 

[porkins]

Farve... in a dome... I'd think twice about starting him... the majority of his dome games haven't ended well...

Is it the dome or the astroturf, which is gone?Personally I don't buy into all the dome BS.

You don't have to buy into it. Just take a look at Favre's numbers while playing in domes.

He won a Superbowl in a dome.

 

[Bigdaddy1]

I don't know the footballguy's "preliminary" Cheetsheet has him ranked higher then Brady. Is that possible??

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

One more TD pass will give him 400 in his career and make him the only other QB to join Dan Marino in the 400 Club. Here's an article that ran in JS Online. For those that did watch him on Sunday he did play well.

Curing Favre of the heaves

QB has mellowed gunslinger ways

By TOM SILVERSTEIN

tsilverstein@journalsentinel.com

Posted: Sept. 20, 2006

Green Bay - Brett Favre is nearing his 400th career touchdown pass, yet it's some of the throws he's not completing that seem to be encouraging to the Green Bay Packers.

With one more touchdown strike, Favre will join Dan Marino as the only quarterbacks in NFL history to reach the 400 milestone.

But there hasn't been any Barry Bonds-like watch as he creeps toward Marino's all-time mark of 420 and at best there will be a brief announcement of his achievement if he throws for a touchdown Sunday at Ford Field in Detroit.

What was talked about Wednesday afternoon, as the Packers returned to practice with a 0-2 mark, was Favre's willingness to throw the ball away or take a sack rather than risk an interception Sunday against New Orleans.

Though Favre was picked off when he held the ball too long, he was at least trying to throw the ball out of the end zone, to avoid a sack. He has been conscious about throwing it away when nothing is open or dumping it off to his running backs and tight ends.

Twice he made ill-advised throws against Chicago in the opener, but that was when the game was out of reach and he was trying to put the Packers on the board. Though coach Mike McCarthy would prefer Favre never throw those types of interceptions, he said he was encouraged with the way his quarterback was buying into his ball-control philosophy.

"I can't speak for the past because I wasn't here coaching," McCarthy said. "But when I grade a quarterback, a throw-away is a plus because you live for another day. It's part of the way we coach the quarterback. So, he's doing a solid job there."

That's not to say he's not going to chuck up five interceptions against the Lions, especially since he has a tendency to throw them indoors (44 in 33 games), but at least for McCarthy there are signs he's willing to throw it away when nothing's there. Against the Saints, he smartly heaved a ball out of bounds past the line of scrimmage after a shotgun snap went flying past him to the Packers' 2-yard line, and then saved a sack by throwing away a ball while under pressure from end Charles Grant.

Both decisions came on drives that resulted in scores for the Packers.

Favre is no fan of risk-free football, so it's too early to think he has taken on a new identity, but at least he's thinking about alternatives to taking wild chances.

"I think going into this season, regardless of who's coaching, I probably have to play a little different than maybe in years past, a little bit more conservative maybe early on, but knowing that we have to score points," Favre said. "Especially if you're young up front and you're struggling with protection, you may have to take some chances.

"I mean, I can throw for 70%, 80% week-in and week-out. But we may not score a point. So there’s a fine line, and knowing the situation is the critical part about it."

Favre said a key to getting the Packers' 23rd-ranked scoring offense on track was getting everyone to feel comfortable together. It would be a surprise to no one if his 400th touchdown pass goes to Donald Driver because no one on the team knows him better than his favorite receiver.

For now, he's searching for others with whom he can click.

"The only way we're going to get that offensively - at least from a skill position standpoint - is by playing together and knowing where guys are going to be on check-downs," Favre said. "Noah (Herron) and I, for example, on that (6-yard) touchdown, the last thing he said to me leaving the huddle was, 'Remember me in the flat.' That's pretty instinctive on his part."

Kind of like knowing when to get rid of the ball.

 

[sandlotshrink]

This is the week Kitna throws for 300+ and 3 TDs - lock it up.

Probably right because I dropped Kitna on Tuesday to add Farve.

 

[Tough As Nails]

Would they make a bigger deal of 400 if it was at Lambeau? Seems like a big milestone that should be celebrated at least a little? This is a big part of the reason why everybody knows the numbers 755, 56, etc...and have no idea what the all-time TD and all-time passing TD numbers are.

 

[reg]

Would they make a bigger deal of 400 if it was at Lambeau? Seems like a big milestone that should be celebrated at least a little? This is a big part of the reason why everybody knows the numbers 755, 56, etc...and have no idea what the all-time TD and all-time passing TD numbers are.

It's no bigger a number than 350, 375, etc... he has been #2 to dan since #343.http://nfl.com/history/randf/records/indiv/passing

Most Touchdown Passes, Career

420 Dan Marino, Miami, 1983-1999

396 Brett Favre, Atlanta, 1991; Green Bay, 1992-2005

342 Fran Tarkenton, Minnesota, 1961-66, 1972-78; N.Y. Giants, 1967-1971

ETA: that didn't come out exactly how I wanted. It IS a big feat, it's a huge number.

 

[salmonstud]

I play in 2 money leagues that don't penalize for interceptions. In that format, Favre is generally gold. In leagues that are -2 for INT.....I wouldn't touch Favre with a 10 foot pole. Favre is surely getting the start this week for me agains the Lions in those 2 leagues.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The bigger concern about Favre is "will he be playing in weeks 14-16?"

 

[Tough As Nails]

Would they make a bigger deal of 400 if it was at Lambeau? Seems like a big milestone that should be celebrated at least a little? This is a big part of the reason why everybody knows the numbers 755, 56, etc...and have no idea what the all-time TD and all-time passing TD numbers are.

It's no bigger a number than 350, 375, etc... he has been #2 to dan since #343.http://nfl.com/history/randf/records/indiv/passing

Most Touchdown Passes, Career

420 Dan Marino, Miami, 1983-1999

396 Brett Favre, Atlanta, 1991; Green Bay, 1992-2005

342 Fran Tarkenton, Minnesota, 1961-66, 1972-78; N.Y. Giants, 1967-1971

ETA: that didn't come out exactly how I wanted. It IS a big feat, it's a huge number.

I don't disagree with your logic...but #700 for Barry Bonds wasn't bigger than 675 either. And everytime a guy hits #500...it's a big deal...and win #300 is huge and hit number 3000. The NFL just doesn't celebrate its "numbers" like baseball does.

 

[packersfan]

The bigger concern about Favre is "will he be playing in weeks 14-16?"

Of course he will be. No reason to think otherwise.I'm somewhat leary of Favre this week. As has been pointed out, Detroit hasn't been all that kind to him in the past - even when the Packers were a quality team. I think he throws at least 1 TD but a couple of INTs are very possible.I do like Kitna this week quite a bit. The Packers' pass defense is putrid. I could see them shutting down Kevin Jones and forcing Kitna to air it out and Kitna responding with over 250 yards and 2-3 TDs. If you're caught in a bye week this is a very good spot for Kitna in my opinion.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The bigger concern about Favre is "will he be playing in weeks 14-16?"

Of course he will be. No reason to think otherwise.

Hope you're right.

 

[snogger]

The bigger concern about Favre is "will he be playing in weeks 14-16?"

Of course he will be. No reason to think otherwise.

Hope you're right.

If the Pack are out of the playoffs by then. Why would they NOT give Rodgers some playing time?I think it was not to do it last year and it would be double to not play the kid if the season is over at that point.

At some point The Packers need to decide if Rodgers is the future or if they need to draft/buy a new QB.

 

[FatRader]

If the first two games are anyi indication, GB will be playing from behind a lot this year - Favre will be putting it up a lot. Their Pass D which was very good last year at shutting down opposing WRs has been awful so far.

One question for this week - How is GB going to block Shaun Rogers?

 

[packersfan]

The bigger concern about Favre is "will he be playing in weeks 14-16?"

Of course he will be. No reason to think otherwise.

Hope you're right.

If the Pack are out of the playoffs by then. Why would they NOT give Rodgers some playing time?I think it was not to do it last year and it would be double to not play the kid if the season is over at that point.

At some point The Packers need to decide if Rodgers is the future or if they need to draft/buy a new QB.

Favre isn't going to be benched. It's not going to happen. I honestly am as close to being 100% confident of that as I am of anything.

 

[NYGus]

i like your optimism.... especially since Favre has been pretty horrendous at the Silverdome.

I'd like to see 3 TDs though (and one to Driver this week please)... i really want him to finish ahead of Marino this season

Not to be a tool but the Lions no longer play in the Silverdome.

Farve... in a dome... I'd think twice about starting him... the majority of his dome games haven't ended well...

Is it the dome or the astroturf, which is gone?Personally I don't buy into all the dome BS.

You don't have to buy into it. Just take a look at Favre's numbers while playing in domes.

Check dis:Favre will be ok dome or no Dome. The Dome theory is TOTAL B.S. and if you buy into it I say you're NUTS

Here are some stats for ya.

2002 @NOR 270yds and 2 TD's/ @DET 357yds and 3 TDS/@ MIN 296 2 TDS

2003 @STL 268 2 TDS/ @ MIN 194 3TDS/@DET 296 2 TDS

2004 @ INDY 396 4TDS/@DET 257 2 TDS/@HOU 383 1 TD/@MIN 365 3TDS

2005 @ DET 201 0TDS/@MIN 315 2 TDS/@ATL 252 1 TD

AVG IN DOMES SINCE 2002 296 YDS/ 2TDS.

I'm staring him this week with confidence.

 

[2112]

this game may turn into a better day for the defenses than the offenses. it could get pretty ugly - maybe 6-3 final score?

 

[aristotlewilde]

Lions play at Ford field which is neither a dome or astro-turf.

I have Favre AND Kitna. -2 for INT's. Who do I start?

 

[ookook]

The bigger concern about Favre is "will he be playing in weeks 14-16?"

Why in the world would that be a concern? Which season has he ever NOT played those games?

 

[AB in DC]

Shaun Rogers & co. versus GB O-line is a mismatch. I'd predict 5+ sacks and 3+ interceptions by the Lions D before I'd predict 300 yards and 2 TD.

 

[snogger]

The bigger concern about Favre is "will he be playing in weeks 14-16?"

Of course he will be. No reason to think otherwise.

Hope you're right.

If the Pack are out of the playoffs by then. Why would they NOT give Rodgers some playing time?I think it was not to do it last year and it would be double to not play the kid if the season is over at that point.

At some point The Packers need to decide if Rodgers is the future or if they need to draft/buy a new QB.

Favre isn't going to be benched. It's not going to happen. I honestly am as close to being 100% confident of that as I am of anything.

I wasn't saying he wouldn't start( he has a record to continue you know )I'm just saying at some point, if they are knocked out of the playoff chase, wouldn't it be in the best interest of the team to see what Rodgers has??

I really see no plausable reason not to give the kid 2+ quarters a game the last few weeks to see what he has.

 

[NYGus]

Shaun Rogers & co. versus GB O-line is a mismatch. I'd predict 5+ sacks and 3+ interceptions by the Lions D before I'd predict 300 yards and 2 TD.

The Lions may very well get 5 sacks and 3 ints vs GB, but 300 yds and 2 TDS wasn't a prediction that's his average over the last 13 games in domes since 2002. The Favre does poorly in domes theory-from a fantasy perspective is total bunk. He was only shut out of the end zone 1 time in those 13 games and that was against Detroit last year. Maybe I missed something but didn't the Lions give up 34 last week against the Bears? Chicago scored like 16 a game last year but more than doubled it against the mighty Lions defense last week. GB may not win, and Favre may not have a great game but will have nothing to do with playing in a dome. We don't do minus points in our league so sacks and int's have zero effect on his numbers.

Negative points are lame. As are fractions of points.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The bigger concern about Favre is "will he be playing in weeks 14-16?"

Why in the world would that be a concern? Which season has he ever NOT played those games?

I don't care about previous years. I care about this year.Circumstances change.NFL = Not For Long

 

[NYGus]

The bigger concern about Favre is "will he be playing in weeks 14-16?"

Why in the world would that be a concern? Which season has he ever NOT played those games?

I don't care about previous years. I care about this year.Circumstances change.NFL = Not For Long

If you didn't care about previous years you would draft guys like Reggie Bush and Philip Rivers as your RB 1 and QB1. Of course other years matter, you have to go off of something.

 

[bonesman]

i like your optimism.... especially since Favre has been pretty horrendous at the Silverdome.I'd like to see 3 TDs though (and one to Driver this week please)... i really want him to finish ahead of Marino this season

Not to be a tool but the Lions no longer play in the Silverdome.

oh yea... Ford Field... duh. I wish someone would have corrected me earlier.anyway, Favre should have a nice statline... but i hear Wayne Fontz has a good game plan against him... so hopefully he can make the adjustment.Sterling should have a good game too.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The bigger concern about Favre is "will he be playing in weeks 14-16?"

Why in the world would that be a concern? Which season has he ever NOT played those games?

I don't care about previous years. I care about this year.Circumstances change.NFL = Not For Long

If you didn't care about previous years you would draft guys like Reggie Bush and Philip Rivers as your RB 1 and QB1. Of course other years matter, you have to go off of something.

No wonder I don't come here often.I dont' care that Favre played a full season last year. I only care that he finishes this year. With the state of the Packers and the stage of his career, there's a real concern that Favre may not get his fantasy owners points in the critical weeks of 14-16 when the Packers are trying to figure out if Rogers is their heir apparent.

 

[NYGus]

The bigger concern about Favre is "will he be playing in weeks 14-16?"

Why in the world would that be a concern? Which season has he ever NOT played those games?

I don't care about previous years. I care about this year.Circumstances change.NFL = Not For Long

If you didn't care about previous years you would draft guys like Reggie Bush and Philip Rivers as your RB 1 and QB1. Of course other years matter, you have to go off of something.

No wonder I don't come here often.I dont' care that Favre played a full season last year. I only care that he finishes this year. With the state of the Packers and the stage of his career, there's a real concern that Favre may not get his fantasy owners points in the critical weeks of 14-16 when the Packers are trying to figure out if Rogers is their heir apparent.

Barring injury, Favre goes out on his own terms. Rogers will ride the pine and be regulated to mop up duty until then.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

The bigger concern about Favre is "will he be playing in weeks 14-16?"

Why in the world would that be a concern? Which season has he ever NOT played those games?

I don't care about previous years. I care about this year.Circumstances change.NFL = Not For Long

If you didn't care about previous years you would draft guys like Reggie Bush and Philip Rivers as your RB 1 and QB1. Of course other years matter, you have to go off of something.

No wonder I don't come here often.I dont' care that Favre played a full season last year. I only care that he finishes this year. With the state of the Packers and the stage of his career, there's a real concern that Favre may not get his fantasy owners points in the critical weeks of 14-16 when the Packers are trying to figure out if Rogers is their heir apparent.

Proving what I already know...

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Yeah I'm diggin' this.

 

[Kleck.]

Yeah I'm diggin' this.

Good bump.

 

[mr. furley]

2 weeks in a row that Favre has absolutely sucked. thank god i dropped him for JP Losman.

 

[NYGus]

Anyone?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

At this rate, the Packers have a chance at going 15-1.

Favre is just THAT good.

 

[jafo]

I was glad I started Favre this weekend. I didn't buy into the "playing in a dome" effects on Favre, and was very happy with the outcome.

The big question now, is how will he do next week @ Philly. Greg Jennings is looking very good and Green has been very involved in the passing game. I hope they can carry the momentum into next week.

 

[mr. furley]

At this rate, the Packers have a chance at going 15-1.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

At this rate, the Packers have a chance at going 15-1.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Unfortunately I have not had the chance to watch the Packers this year (lifelong fan) but I got a feeling that they may be a better team than I originally gave them credit for entering the season. Unfortunately even if the Packers turn things around this weekend and beat Detroit, a challenge for a wildcard spot will be unlikely given the two losses at home to start the season. I do expect a win this weekend but also expect a loss the following weekend at Philly. Maybe I am wrong.I do think Favre is a great start this weekend. 300 yards and 2 tds. Book it.

Wow. Good prediction. Hats off to you. And that stuff about him playing badly in domes......ah, nevermind.

 

[Beetle]

This is the week Kitna throws for 300+ and 3 TDs - lock it up.

Toldya.