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The Percy Harvin Hype machine (1 Viewer)
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
Too bad they play different positions or it would be a better comparision but atleast he is signed and ready to goUpdated: August 2, 2009, 1:09 PM ET
Harvin, Vikings agree on 5-year dealComment Email Print Share Associated Press
MANKATO, Minn. -- First-round draft pick Percy Harvin has agreed to terms on a five-year deal with the Minnesota Vikings, and the former Florida standout is expected to be ready for Sunday afternoon practice.
Harvin missed the first two days of training camp while his agent Joel Segal negotiated a contract. Segal said his client was ready to hit the field immediately.
Coach Brad Childress has said that it was important for Harvin, the 22nd overall pick in April's draft, to get into camp as soon as possible. He'll be asked to play a variety of roles for the Vikings, including wide receiver, running back and return man.
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While many scouts and draft analysts said Harvin had top-10 talent, he slipped to the Vikings due to concerns about his durability and a failed drug test at the NFL combine.
Childress had some of the same concerns, so he flew to Florida and met personally with Harvin and his family before the draft. The coach came away impressed by his willingness to take responsibility for past mistakes and didn't hesitate to draft Harvin when the Vikings came on the clock.
The versatile playmaker is expected to complement Adrian Peterson in Minnesota's ramped-up offense. During minicamps earlier this summer, Childress and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell began experimenting with their new toy. They lined up Harvin at receiver out wide, in the slot, and motioned him into the backfield on reverses and other running plays.
His arrival could also bring a version of the Wildcat offense to Minnesota. Harvin and Peterson in the same backfield would give the Vikings a dynamic element that's been missing since Childress took over in 2006.
Harvin also could bolster the team's mediocre return game. His quickness and ability to change directions in a heartbeat make him ideal for the job.
He'll probably explode now.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I hear the train a comin'
It's rollin' 'round the bend . . .
It's rollin' 'round the bend . . .
by_the_sea_wannabe
:sj:
pass i'll hop on the Nicks train
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I know how high you are on him due to reading your thread {which is the best on this site IMO.}I wasn't thinking about picking him up at all but I have been listening to your side and I am changing my views a little on him based on your opinion. I hope your right.I hear the train a comin'It's rollin' 'round the bend . . .
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Some of you guys are in the wrong thread.
question: just because he's a wide receiver, does that automatically drop his ceiling in comparison to a rb?
in the past, when wide receivers mainly got the ball by running a good route and then catching the ball, i would have agreed with such sentiment, but i think offensive philosophies really are changing right now such that an explosive player will get the ball regardless of position.
in the past, when wide receivers mainly got the ball by running a good route and then catching the ball, i would have agreed with such sentiment, but i think offensive philosophies really are changing right now such that an explosive player will get the ball regardless of position.
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
Harvin will be a much better "NFL" player than "FF" player.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
While I agree offensive coordinators get "skilled" guys more touches in more ways please name 1 "skilled" wide reciever who has been in the top 2O that gets alot of looks int he backfield or reverses on a regular basis.Guys like Brad Smith, Josh Cribbs and the poster boy D. Hester do get touches this way but if that's what your relying on they aren't going to get enough to make their fantasy owner very happy.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Percy Harvin files coming soon . . .
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I'm in too.
I still wonder about Childress. But I think Harvin is going to be really good. How good I am not sure but I think easily better than Berrian.
I still wonder about Childress. But I think Harvin is going to be really good. How good I am not sure but I think easily better than Berrian.
i would say wes welker gets a lot of touches in an untraditional manner - screen passes, quick outs, short stuff that gets the ball in his hands and lets him do the work. and i'd say reggie bush may also qualify as someone that doesn't fit into a single positional mold. but i mean, we're just at the start of this change in philosophies, so there aren't too many examples yet. however, pat white did get drafted in the second round this year. as for the players you mentioned, imo, brad smith lacks the quickness of harvin, cribbs has only done anything on punt and kickoff returns, and hester is still in the process of converting from a cb to a wr - he could very well be a worthwhile player. smith and cribbs were also later-round draft picks.
i will say that i don't have the same confidence about the number of touches harvin will get as i did about cj3.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
The Percy Harvin files:
The computer simulation loves Percy Harvin.
"This kid is going to make plays for us."
Chilly: "I think the first thing I thought about was really the same feelings the first time we handed Adrian Peterson the ball."
By OTAs, the Vikes already had 20-30 plays specifically designed to get the ball in Harvin's hands.
Harvin in the Wildcat?
Harvin catching on quickly
"Perhaps nobody in the draft has the potential to make the immediate impact Harvin does in the NFL."
Harvin + Peterson spells trouble for defenses
Florida coaches are in Harvin's corner in terms of his character
A new football position: The Percy Position
NFL comparison: Steve Smith
Maycock: "I don't think you can be scared of a player that makes plays and has great speed and scores touchdowns."
Harvin = Brad Childress' playcalling salvation?
The computer simulation loves Percy Harvin.
"This kid is going to make plays for us."
Chilly: "I think the first thing I thought about was really the same feelings the first time we handed Adrian Peterson the ball."
By OTAs, the Vikes already had 20-30 plays specifically designed to get the ball in Harvin's hands.
Harvin in the Wildcat?
Harvin catching on quickly
"Perhaps nobody in the draft has the potential to make the immediate impact Harvin does in the NFL."
Harvin + Peterson spells trouble for defenses
Florida coaches are in Harvin's corner in terms of his character
A new football position: The Percy Position
NFL comparison: Steve Smith
Maycock: "I don't think you can be scared of a player that makes plays and has great speed and scores touchdowns."
Harvin = Brad Childress' playcalling salvation?
F&L
Tau837
Footballguy
He is a much better prospect coming out of college than Hester was. Hester is faster, but Harvin is bigger, stronger, and IMO at least as quick/explosive. I also think he has already proven to be better than Hester at both catching the ball in traffic and running with the ball in traffic. Incidentally, there is a lot of back and forth on this in the Harvin = Warrick thread.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Puch my ticket for this train. The Vikes are putting in 40 PLAYS FOR P.H. This guy will be bigger then CJ was last year
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo don't miss this train ROY next stop
LET THE HYPE REACH NEW LEVELS
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo don't miss this train ROY next stop
LET THE HYPE REACH NEW LEVELS
Sage Rosenfels
Footballguy
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Beat writer Judd Zulgad on Twitter:
"Percy Harvin with first team as install drills start."
"Percy Harvin with first team as install drills start."
SSOG
Moderator
I don't think Harvin is a WR1, at least not in the sense that most people mean when they say WR1 (i.e. reliable move-the-chains kind of guy). I think that Harvin is Reggie Bush minus the obscene draft-day hype. The guy averaged NINE POINT FIVE yards per carry in college (on 200 carries, so there are no sample size issues). If Minnesota's smart, they'll line him up in the backfield and hand off to him. They'll hand off to him on reverses and end-arounds. They'll design a complement of screens around him. They'll run some plays designed to get Harvin open somewhere on the field with about 3 yards of space. They'll basically just get the ball in his hands and let him make things happen. Maybe use him as a kick returner.If Florida didn't have Brandon James (the best kick returner in college football), and if Harvin didn't have his injury history, then I think he easily could have won a Heisman and achieved a Reggie Bush level of hype. Because he didn't, he's flying way under the radar right now.Harvin could average 800/6 a year receiving and I still think he'd be a stellar fantasy play, because I expect him to add 400/4 rushing to that.
SSOG
Moderator
Double post, but come on... just LOOK at the guy.
He's a physical beast on par with Terrell Owens or David Boston, except with ludicrous speed. He was teammates last year with the fastest player in the history of college football... and Harvin played faster still (thanks to, as Urban Meyer called it, the "fastest first step in college football").
He's a physical beast on par with Terrell Owens or David Boston, except with ludicrous speed. He was teammates last year with the fastest player in the history of college football... and Harvin played faster still (thanks to, as Urban Meyer called it, the "fastest first step in college football").
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SO many Viking and Gator fans want Harvin to succeed at an NFL level, and SO many Packer/Bear fans and UF haters want Harvin to flop. I'll bet about 75-80% of the "sides" people take on Harvin (believe the hype vs. the next Peter Warrick, Desmond Howard, et al) is directly related to which colored glasses people are wearing.
Just give the guy a chance to get on the practice and playing field and let's see what happens. As a fan of the Purple, I hope that 2-3 months from now, defensive coordinators are waking up screaming with night-sweats after watching tape of All-Day and Harvin shred other NFL defenses for big play after big play. Does that mean I automatically "buy the hype" though?! Nope. But not buying the hype yet is simply a case of "not enough evidence" versus thinking (hoping) he will fail.
PATIENCE grasshopper...patience...
Just give the guy a chance to get on the practice and playing field and let's see what happens. As a fan of the Purple, I hope that 2-3 months from now, defensive coordinators are waking up screaming with night-sweats after watching tape of All-Day and Harvin shred other NFL defenses for big play after big play. Does that mean I automatically "buy the hype" though?! Nope. But not buying the hype yet is simply a case of "not enough evidence" versus thinking (hoping) he will fail.
PATIENCE grasshopper...patience...
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FUBAR
Footballguy
this.IMO, he'll be Reggie Bush light, or at least could be in the Vikings want him to be.
SSOG
Moderator
Ummm... this is a fantasy football message board. Unless your fantasy leagues hold drafts after the season is already over and then let you retroactively set your lineups, projection is a major part of the game.I'm more of the opinion that the people who are low on Harvin are the people who haven't seen him play, and the people who are high on him are the people that have. Like I said, he's built like a Terrell Owens, yet he plays faster than his olympic sprinter teammate. He averaged almost 10 yards per carry rushing against the best defenses in the nation. No one in college football was more dangerous with the ball in his hands. I think Harvin has a ton of proven and demonstrable skills that translate strongly to NFL success.SO many Viking and Gator fans want Harvin to succeed at an NFL level, and SO many Packer/Bear fans and UF haters want Harvin to flop. I'll bet about 75-80% of the "sides" people take on Harvin (believe the hype vs. the next Peter Warrick, Desmond Howard, et al) is directly related to which colored glasses people are wearing.
Just give the guy a chance to get on the practice and playing field and let's see what happens. As a fan of the Purple, I hope that 2-3 months from now, defensive coordinators are waking up screaming with night-sweats after watching tape of All-Day and Harvin shred other NFL defenses for big play after big play. Does that mean I automatically "buy the hype" though?! Nope. But not buying the hype yet is simply a case of "not enough evidence" versus thinking (hoping) he will fail.
PATIENCE grasshopper...patience...
EBF
Footballguy
True, but even if your draft has already happened, it's not too late to make a move for Harvin and buy him for below actual value.I think he's one of the rookies most likely to make an immediate impact and cause people to regret passing on him. I really think this kid will hit the ground running in the same way that DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal did last season. So you can get him now when his price tag is still reasonable or you can wait four months when he's untouchable. Percy was ranked #3 on my final rookie rankings and I think he has the combination of elite physical talent and natural football skills to become a standout player in the NFL. I think people are getting too hung up on the tweener stuff. Harvin is built almost exactly like Laveranues Coles and he appears to have all of the skills needed to be an effective full time WR. The prospect of him getting 4-5 extra touches every game on handoffs and dumpoffs is just the icing on the cake.In seven leagues, and all my drafts were done by around the first week of June, I think.though. Once you've gone dynasty/IDP, you ain't goin' back...
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Are we really still hyping this guy as a rookie with no Brett Favre in the fold? People, c'mon now.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Our rookie draft was yesterday. To each their own, I'm not a big fan of having rookie drafts in April/May. Regardless, even if you drafted already it's not too late to steal Harvin from a lukewarm owner.In seven leagues, and all my drafts were done by around the first week of June, I think.
Good posting, EBF!
The problem with Harvin though (for dynasty owners) is that, at least in my leagues, I didn't hear a single "WR Percy Harvin, MIN...I guess [sigh]" pick in any of those seven drafts. It was either "I'm avoiding him like the plague" or "you guys are SUCH idiots for passing on him." The guys that drafted him were almost always giddy and referring to everybody else as idiots...so you can guess where they fall related to the hype machine and how much they'd ask for Harvin in any trade scenarios in August 2009.
I think best-case scenario for dynasty owners looking to acquire Harvin is that he gets dinged in camp and/or Childress employs more of his patented three yards and a cloud of dust playcalling strategy through September/October. Then, when some of that new car smell has worn off and Harvin owners have had a few 2-3 FP performances out of him, snatch him up for a bit less and then hope/pray that all that talent and Kool-aid was laced with Vitamin C instead of arsenic.
The problem with Harvin though (for dynasty owners) is that, at least in my leagues, I didn't hear a single "WR Percy Harvin, MIN...I guess [sigh]" pick in any of those seven drafts. It was either "I'm avoiding him like the plague" or "you guys are SUCH idiots for passing on him." The guys that drafted him were almost always giddy and referring to everybody else as idiots...so you can guess where they fall related to the hype machine and how much they'd ask for Harvin in any trade scenarios in August 2009.
I think best-case scenario for dynasty owners looking to acquire Harvin is that he gets dinged in camp and/or Childress employs more of his patented three yards and a cloud of dust playcalling strategy through September/October. Then, when some of that new car smell has worn off and Harvin owners have had a few 2-3 FP performances out of him, snatch him up for a bit less and then hope/pray that all that talent and Kool-aid was laced with Vitamin C instead of arsenic.
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Moonlight_Graham
Footballguy
Why aren't you worried about a guy who tested postive for weed at a time when he new he would be tested? Either he's an idiot, or can't do without the stuff, or both. Anyone ignoring this have blinders on.True, but even if your draft has already happened, it's not too late to make a move for Harvin and buy him for below actual value.I think he's one of the rookies most likely to make an immediate impact and cause people to regret passing on him. I really think this kid will hit the ground running in the same way that DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal did last season. So you can get him now when his price tag is still reasonable or you can wait four months when he's untouchable. Percy was ranked #3 on my final rookie rankings and I think he has the combination of elite physical talent and natural football skills to become a standout player in the NFL. I think people are getting too hung up on the tweener stuff. Harvin is built almost exactly like Laveranues Coles and he appears to have all of the skills needed to be an effective full time WR. The prospect of him getting 4-5 extra touches every game on handoffs and dumpoffs is just the icing on the cake.In seven leagues, and all my drafts were done by around the first week of June, I think.I suppose for all the re-drafters, it's relevant. Re-draft is just
SSOG
Moderator
What, because Sage Rosenfels isn't capable of handing off to Harvin? Because Matt Birk isn't capable of snapping to Harvin unless Favre is sitting on the sidelines? Because Tarvaris Jackson can't throw screen passes?
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Never mind the unbelievers. We've been down this road before:Are people really still hyping Calvin Johnson with Kitna throwing the ball on Matt Millen's woebegone Lions?
Are people really still hyping Adrian Peterson with Chester Taylor entrenched as the starter and no passing game to take the pressure off?
Are people really still hyping Chris Johnson with LenDale White entrenched as the starter in a bottom-rung offense?
The nattering nabobs have been out in full force on all our hype train threads. It makes it more fun after the national breakout when they become guests in our corn.
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
You left out one scenario: go out and overpay for him now.Good posting, EBF!
The problem with Harvin though (for dynasty owners) is that, at least in my leagues, I didn't hear a single "WR Percy Harvin, MIN...I guess [sigh]" pick in any of those seven drafts. It was either "I'm avoiding him like the plague" or "you guys are SUCH idiots for passing on him." The guys that drafted him were almost always giddy and referring to everybody else as idiots...so you can guess where they fall related to the hype machine and how much they'd ask for Harvin in any trade scenarios in August 2009.
I think best-case scenario for dynasty owners looking to acquire Harvin is that he gets dinged in camp and/or Childress employs more of his patented three yards and a cloud of dust playcalling strategy through September/October. Then, when some of that new car smell has worn off and Harvin owners have had a few 2-3 FP performances out of him, snatch him up for a bit less and then hope/pray that all that talent and Kool-aid was laced with Vitamin C instead of arsenic.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Are we writing off all pot smokers in the NFL? Or just the ones that don't beat the test? Jeez ... I'd hate to have passed on Randy Moss all those years because he was a pot-head.
Moonlight_Graham
Footballguy
I guess time will tell if he can put it behind him, or continue to put it in his lungs. To ignore this is foolish, and it does drop him some IMO.
Avery
Footballguy
I'm not trying to make this an WDID "Assistant Coach Forum" type post, but I'm on the clock in my rookie/FA draft at 1.10 with Harvin on the board and this thread in conjunction with the "Harvin = Warrick" thread has me utterly confused.You left out one scenario: go out and overpay for him now.Good posting, EBF!
The problem with Harvin though (for dynasty owners) is that, at least in my leagues, I didn't hear a single "WR Percy Harvin, MIN...I guess [sigh]" pick in any of those seven drafts. It was either "I'm avoiding him like the plague" or "you guys are SUCH idiots for passing on him." The guys that drafted him were almost always giddy and referring to everybody else as idiots...so you can guess where they fall related to the hype machine and how much they'd ask for Harvin in any trade scenarios in August 2009.
I think best-case scenario for dynasty owners looking to acquire Harvin is that he gets dinged in camp and/or Childress employs more of his patented three yards and a cloud of dust playcalling strategy through September/October. Then, when some of that new car smell has worn off and Harvin owners have had a few 2-3 FP performances out of him, snatch him up for a bit less and then hope/pray that all that talent and Kool-aid was laced with Vitamin C instead of arsenic.
SSOG
Moderator
Don't forget that Calvin Johnson admitted he smoked pot, too.
Harvin has nothing in common with Warrick. Could Warrick expect 80 rushes a year to supplement his receiving value? Was Warrick as buff as Terrell Owens and as fast as Randy Moss? Did Cincinnati specifically design 30 plays to get the ball in Warrick's hands when they drafted him? Did Cincinnati plan on direct-snapping to Warrick?The closest college comparison to Percy Harvin isn't Warrick, it's Reggie Bush. If Reggie Bush was sitting there at pick #10 in the rookie draft two years ago, would you be hesitating, or would you be calling your leaguemates ####### and cackling in glee?I'm not trying to make this an WDID "Assistant Coach Forum" type post, but I'm on the clock in my rookie/FA draft at 1.10 with Harvin on the board and this thread in conjunction with the "Harvin = Warrick" thread has me utterly confused.
Pickle Rody
IBL Representative
Great post FNL. Blinders are much, much cheaper than taking risks............to each his own and quite frankly, I'm very glad there are a few of these Moonlight_Graham types in some of my leagues because all it means is that there is even less inferior competition to worry about. Everyone who feels the same way as MG should, by all available means, avoid Percy Harvin. Thank you very much.
Avery
Footballguy
I hear you and after watching Harvin play, I'm not comparing him to Warrick. Just referencing that thread as the "Anti Harvin Hype Machine" thread.Don't forget that Calvin Johnson admitted he smoked pot, too.Harvin has nothing in common with Warrick. Could Warrick expect 80 rushes a year to supplement his receiving value? Was Warrick as buff as Terrell Owens and as fast as Randy Moss? Did Cincinnati specifically design 30 plays to get the ball in Warrick's hands when they drafted him? Did Cincinnati plan on direct-snapping to Warrick?The closest college comparison to Percy Harvin isn't Warrick, it's Reggie Bush. If Reggie Bush was sitting there at pick #10 in the rookie draft two years ago, would you be hesitating, or would you be calling your leaguemates ####### and cackling in glee?I'm not trying to make this an WDID "Assistant Coach Forum" type post, but I'm on the clock in my rookie/FA draft at 1.10 with Harvin on the board and this thread in conjunction with the "Harvin = Warrick" thread has me utterly confused.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Don't forget that Calvin Johnson admitted he smoked pot, too.Harvin has nothing in common with Warrick. Could Warrick expect 80 rushes a year to supplement his receiving value? Was Warrick as buff as Terrell Owens and as fast as Randy Moss? Did Cincinnati specifically design 30 plays to get the ball in Warrick's hands when they drafted him? Did Cincinnati plan on direct-snapping to Warrick?The closest college comparison to Percy Harvin isn't Warrick, it's Reggie Bush. If Reggie Bush was sitting there at pick #10 in the rookie draft two years ago, would you be hesitating, or would you be calling your leaguemates ####### and cackling in glee?I'm not trying to make this an WDID "Assistant Coach Forum" type post, but I'm on the clock in my rookie/FA draft at 1.10 with Harvin on the board and this thread in conjunction with the "Harvin = Warrick" thread has me utterly confused.
Reggie Bush is without a doubt the best compare for Harvin.Man, if I was sitting there at 1.10 with Harvin still on the board, there would be no hesitation. We had our draft yesterday....I was sitting at 1.09 hoping for either Harvin or Nicks.....fortunately the guy at 1.08 picked Bernard Scott....unfortunately, 1.07 went with Harvin. REALLY wanted to snag Harvin but had to settle for Nicks.Get on board the Harvin train now before it leaves the station.
EBF
Footballguy
They're football players, not Boy Scouts. Harvin never missed a game at Florida and always played hard. I don't think he's a chronic thug like Chris Henry or Lawrence Phillips. I think he's an immature kid who likes to smoke reefer. Those aren't rare conditions among young men. From a talent perspective, he's clearly one of the top 3-4 skill players in this draft class. I'd rather gamble on a legit talent with minor character issues than a mediocre player who you can bring home to meet mom.Why aren't you worried about a guy who tested postive for weed at a time when he new he would be tested? Either he's an idiot, or can't do without the stuff, or both. Anyone ignoring this have blinders on.True, but even if your draft has already happened, it's not too late to make a move for Harvin and buy him for below actual value.I think he's one of the rookies most likely to make an immediate impact and cause people to regret passing on him. I really think this kid will hit the ground running in the same way that DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal did last season. So you can get him now when his price tag is still reasonable or you can wait four months when he's untouchable. Percy was ranked #3 on my final rookie rankings and I think he has the combination of elite physical talent and natural football skills to become a standout player in the NFL. I think people are getting too hung up on the tweener stuff. Harvin is built almost exactly like Laveranues Coles and he appears to have all of the skills needed to be an effective full time WR. The prospect of him getting 4-5 extra touches every game on handoffs and dumpoffs is just the icing on the cake.In seven leagues, and all my drafts were done by around the first week of June, I think.
Moonlight_Graham
Footballguy
So you call getting busted by the league for pot minor issue? If it happens again how minor do you think it will be? If it happens 2 more times what do you think the commish will do? Drafting a guy with a real possibilty for future suspensions is somewhat risky IMO.They're football players, not Boy Scouts. Harvin never missed a game at Florida and always played hard. I don't think he's a chronic thug like Chris Henry or Lawrence Phillips. I think he's an immature kid who likes to smoke reefer. Those aren't rare conditions among young men. From a talent perspective, he's clearly one of the top 3-4 skill players in this draft class. I'd rather gamble on a legit talent with minor character issues than a mediocre player who you can bring home to meet mom.Why aren't you worried about a guy who tested postive for weed at a time when he new he would be tested? Either he's an idiot, or can't do without the stuff, or both. Anyone ignoring this have blinders on.True, but even if your draft has already happened, it's not too late to make a move for Harvin and buy him for below actual value.I think he's one of the rookies most likely to make an immediate impact and cause people to regret passing on him. I really think this kid will hit the ground running in the same way that DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal did last season. So you can get him now when his price tag is still reasonable or you can wait four months when he's untouchable. Percy was ranked #3 on my final rookie rankings and I think he has the combination of elite physical talent and natural football skills to become a standout player in the NFL. I think people are getting too hung up on the tweener stuff. Harvin is built almost exactly like Laveranues Coles and he appears to have all of the skills needed to be an effective full time WR. The prospect of him getting 4-5 extra touches every game on handoffs and dumpoffs is just the icing on the cake.In seven leagues, and all my drafts were done by around the first week of June, I think.
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EBF
Footballguy
If you're afraid of the character risk then you don't need to acquire Harvin.Personally, I don't think his penchant for weed is going to be a chronic (snicker) problem.So you call getting busted by the league for pot minor issue? If it happens again how minor do you think it will be? If it happens 2 more times what do you think the commish will do? Drafting a guy with a real possibilty for future suspensions is somewhat risky IMO.They're football players, not Boy Scouts. Harvin never missed a game at Florida and always played hard. I don't think he's a chronic thug like Chris Henry or Lawrence Phillips. I think he's an immature kid who likes to smoke reefer. Those aren't rare conditions among young men. From a talent perspective, he's clearly one of the top 3-4 skill players in this draft class. I'd rather gamble on a legit talent with minor character issues than a mediocre player who you can bring home to meet mom.Why aren't you worried about a guy who tested postive for weed at a time when he new he would be tested? Either he's an idiot, or can't do without the stuff, or both. Anyone ignoring this have blinders on.True, but even if your draft has already happened, it's not too late to make a move for Harvin and buy him for below actual value.I think he's one of the rookies most likely to make an immediate impact and cause people to regret passing on him. I really think this kid will hit the ground running in the same way that DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal did last season. So you can get him now when his price tag is still reasonable or you can wait four months when he's untouchable. Percy was ranked #3 on my final rookie rankings and I think he has the combination of elite physical talent and natural football skills to become a standout player in the NFL. I think people are getting too hung up on the tweener stuff. Harvin is built almost exactly like Laveranues Coles and he appears to have all of the skills needed to be an effective full time WR. The prospect of him getting 4-5 extra touches every game on handoffs and dumpoffs is just the icing on the cake.In seven leagues, and all my drafts were done by around the first week of June, I think.I suppose for all the re-drafters, it's relevant. Re-draft is just
Moonlight_Graham
Footballguy
Pickle Rody
IBL Representative
Okay, so don't draft him for your fantasy team. Let someone else take the risk if it is too much for you to swallow. It's okay. Although, it appears to me that plenty of NFL franchises draft these type of players regardless of prior indiscretions. Some of them get it and become NFL studs (R. Moss) and some don't (L. Phillips.)
In the end, it is your choice to believe the hype or not.
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SSOG
Moderator
Not to pretend I'm EBF, but yeah, I think smoking pot at age 21 is a pretty minor deal. Randy Moss did it. Calvin Johnson did it. I suspect that a strong majority of college students aged 18-22 have done it. Marcus Thomas got kicked off his college team for doing it, but he's been squeaky clean since coming to the NFL. It's one thing if he's been in the league 2 years and he's doing it, but smoking pot before ever even attending an NFL training camp? Sure it's stupid, but is it a character flaw? I certainly don't think so. Also, I've never drafted players based on their IQs, or else I'd be starting Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB every week.
EBF
Footballguy
Wouldn't it be a hunch to assume that he's going to have further problems?He's immature and he's not particularly smart, but he never had a single serious off-field incident in his entire college career. He never missed a game because of suspension and never had the type of on-field blowups that characterized Chris Henry's career at West Virginia. It was stupid of him to smoke so soon before the combine, but I don't think he's a rotten person with serious addiction or behavioral problems. Lots of young athletes smoke weed. Harvin just happened to get caught. Like I said, I'm willing to gamble on a can't-miss talent with minor character issues. I know he's going to be good when he plays. I can't say that for many other prospects in this draft class. That's why Harvin is ranked near the top of my board.
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