The Percy Harvin Hype machine (1 Viewer)

[EBF]

Bear in mind that the preseason doesn't necessarily reveal the full extent of a player's involvement in the offense. Guys like Colston, Boldin, and Royal were used sparingly in preseason games before being unleashed once the regular season began.I wouldn't draw any firm conclusions about Harvin's redraft value based on 3-4 quarters of meaningless games.

But, I would say, the big hype machine is not being justified by the game action. Harvin *might* be a great player in the NFL, because we know he was one for the best team in college footballBut it will take a ton for him to produce consistently right off. At this point, I can see a huge 60, 70 yard play about every 4 games for him. Otherwise, cannot see anything i would want to rely on.

Again, whether or not Harvin ends up being a good redraft option, I think you're making the mistake of assuming that what you've seen in the preseason is an indication of what you'll see in the regular season. I remember there being a good buzz on Anquan Boldin during training camp of his rookie year, but he barely played in the preseason. Ditto Eddie Royal and Marques Colston. I think they both ran with the starters, but neither made any plays that hinted towards their imminent success. If you had been looking for evidence in preseason "game action" to justify hype for these players before their rookie seasons, you wouldn't have found any.I don't think we'll really know much about Harvin's redraft prospects until 2-3 games into the regular season.

 

[Tau837]

I'm not sure why anyone who watched that game last night saw anything not to like.

OK, he had a penalty or two... we can assume he'll get better at that.

He had 4 targets in less than 3 quarters of work and caught 3 for 31 yards... with the one he didn't catch being an end zone look that pretty much everyone thinks he should have had for an 18 yard TD. And he had 2 rushing attempts for 6 yards and another handoff.

I think conservatively, assuming he stays healthy, Harvin is looking at 80+ targets and 30+ rushing/passing attempts (on the off chance he throws a pass or two). If he gets that many targets, judging from the looks he got last night, he should have at least 700 yards receiving and probably at least 100 rushing yards... and a handful of TDs, say 5 or more.

Conservatively, that is 110+ fantasy points. Using FBG scoring, 110 fantasy points would have ranked him as WR33 last season. For a rookie, what's not to like with that kind of floor? Desean Jackson only scored 117 fantasy points last year, as a recent rookie WR comparison.

And I think that is conservative, because I think it is inevitable that he'll break some long plays, but I'm projecting less then 4 ypc and roughly 12-13 ypr.

And he and Favre have only had a matter of days to get in sync. Does anyone believe they aren't going to improve on their timing and chemistry? Plus, this is assuming no injuries to any other skill players. If Berrian, Rice, Peterson, or Taylor miss any substantial time, his potential increases.

 

[California]

In general, I find news that came out of training camp before preseason games start a lot more useful in evaluating rookies and sleepers. Eddie Royal is a good example from last year. His TC reports were pretty spectacular even tho he had really limited preseason game exposure. If you based him on what you saw in preseason games, you missed out.

Harvin's TC news were generally pretty good. Doesn't mean he'll be a stud right out the gate, but I put more stock in that than what I see in these games right now (which is still pretty good).

 

[thatguy]

I'm not sure why anyone who watched that game last night saw anything not to like.OK, he had a penalty or two... we can assume he'll get better at that.He had 4 targets in less than 3 quarters of work and caught 3 for 31 yards... with the one he didn't catch being an end zone look that pretty much everyone thinks he should have had for an 18 yard TD. And he had 2 rushing attempts for 6 yards and another handoff.I think conservatively, assuming he stays healthy, Harvin is looking at 80+ targets and 30+ rushing/passing attempts (on the off chance he throws a pass or two). If he gets that many targets, judging from the looks he got last night, he should have at least 700 yards receiving and probably at least 100 rushing yards... and a handful of TDs, say 5 or more. Conservatively, that is 110+ fantasy points. Using FBG scoring, 110 fantasy points would have ranked him as WR33 last season. For a rookie, what's not to like with that kind of floor? Desean Jackson only scored 117 fantasy points last year, as a recent rookie WR comparison.And I think that is conservative, because I think it is inevitable that he'll break some long plays, but I'm projecting less then 4 ypc and roughly 12-13 ypr.And he and Favre have only had a matter of days to get in sync. Does anyone believe they aren't going to improve on their timing and chemistry? Plus, this is assuming no injuries to any other skill players. If Berrian, Rice, Peterson, or Taylor miss any substantial time, his potential increases.

However, to those saying that Royal showed no indication in preseason last year that he would be a special player, I have to respectfully disagree... His action may have been limited, but he impressed mightily while he was on the field. In fact, I was hoping to land him as a quasi-sleeper going into one of my dynasty drafts, but unfortunately for me, NFL Network was replaying one of Denver's preseason games. The guys in my league saw him make a few sick plays and he was the buzz of the draft. He wound up going way higher than he otherwise would have.

 

[Ray_T]

I'm not sure why anyone who watched that game last night saw anything not to like.OK, he had a penalty or two... we can assume he'll get better at that.He had 4 targets in less than 3 quarters of work and caught 3 for 31 yards... with the one he didn't catch being an end zone look that pretty much everyone thinks he should have had for an 18 yard TD. And he had 2 rushing attempts for 6 yards and another handoff.I think conservatively, assuming he stays healthy, Harvin is looking at 80+ targets and 30+ rushing/passing attempts (on the off chance he throws a pass or two). If he gets that many targets, judging from the looks he got last night, he should have at least 700 yards receiving and probably at least 100 rushing yards... and a handful of TDs, say 5 or more. Conservatively, that is 110+ fantasy points. Using FBG scoring, 110 fantasy points would have ranked him as WR33 last season. For a rookie, what's not to like with that kind of floor? Desean Jackson only scored 117 fantasy points last year, as a recent rookie WR comparison.And I think that is conservative, because I think it is inevitable that he'll break some long plays, but I'm projecting less then 4 ypc and roughly 12-13 ypr.And he and Favre have only had a matter of days to get in sync. Does anyone believe they aren't going to improve on their timing and chemistry? Plus, this is assuming no injuries to any other skill players. If Berrian, Rice, Peterson, or Taylor miss any substantial time, his potential increases.

However, to those saying that Royal showed no indication in preseason last year that he would be a special player, I have to respectfully disagree... His action may have been limited, but he impressed mightily while he was on the field. In fact, I was hoping to land him as a quasi-sleeper going into one of my dynasty drafts, but unfortunately for me, NFL Network was replaying one of Denver's preseason games. The guys in my league saw him make a few sick plays and he was the buzz of the draft. He wound up going way higher than he otherwise would have.

He's right about Royal.Royal was drafted early in 2 drafts I was in and in the auction he went for the same price as many WR2 players.there was pretty good training camp hype about this guy, and it was all over the boards.

 

[DrJamesAndrews Fan]

I'm not sure why anyone who watched that game last night saw anything not to like.OK, he had a penalty or two... we can assume he'll get better at that.He had 4 targets in less than 3 quarters of work and caught 3 for 31 yards... with the one he didn't catch being an end zone look that pretty much everyone thinks he should have had for an 18 yard TD. And he had 2 rushing attempts for 6 yards and another handoff.I think conservatively, assuming he stays healthy, Harvin is looking at 80+ targets and 30+ rushing/passing attempts (on the off chance he throws a pass or two). If he gets that many targets, judging from the looks he got last night, he should have at least 700 yards receiving and probably at least 100 rushing yards... and a handful of TDs, say 5 or more. Conservatively, that is 110+ fantasy points. Using FBG scoring, 110 fantasy points would have ranked him as WR33 last season. For a rookie, what's not to like with that kind of floor? Desean Jackson only scored 117 fantasy points last year, as a recent rookie WR comparison.And I think that is conservative, because I think it is inevitable that he'll break some long plays, but I'm projecting less then 4 ypc and roughly 12-13 ypr.And he and Favre have only had a matter of days to get in sync. Does anyone believe they aren't going to improve on their timing and chemistry? Plus, this is assuming no injuries to any other skill players. If Berrian, Rice, Peterson, or Taylor miss any substantial time, his potential increases.

However, to those saying that Royal showed no indication in preseason last year that he would be a special player, I have to respectfully disagree... His action may have been limited, but he impressed mightily while he was on the field. In fact, I was hoping to land him as a quasi-sleeper going into one of my dynasty drafts, but unfortunately for me, NFL Network was replaying one of Denver's preseason games. The guys in my league saw him make a few sick plays and he was the buzz of the draft. He wound up going way higher than he otherwise would have.

He's right about Royal.Royal was drafted early in 2 drafts I was in and in the auction he went for the same price as many WR2 players.there was pretty good training camp hype about this guy, and it was all over the boards.

Eddie Royal 2008 Preseason gamesGame 1- 2 for 13Game 2- 2 for 67Game 3- 0 catchesGame 4 - 0 catches4 for 80 on the preseason

 

[California]

Eddie Royal 2008 Preseason gamesGame 1- 2 for 13Game 2- 2 for 67Game 3- 0 catchesGame 4 - 0 catches4 for 80 on the preseason

Bingo.

 

[LOCO]

i am buying into the hype. how do you compare him to guys like lee evans, lance moore, hines ward etc? you guys take him ahead of the of the vets? just curious how high you would be willing to take him?

 

[-jb-]

i am buying into the hype. how do you compare him to guys like lee evans, lance moore, hines ward etc? you guys take him ahead of the of the vets? just curious how high you would be willing to take him?

i don't think you have to. i've taken him as late as 16.08, and seen him go as low as 9.04. although his stock is probably up after MNF.

 

[the spanker]

i am buying into the hype. how do you compare him to guys like lee evans, lance moore, hines ward etc? you guys take him ahead of the of the vets? just curious how high you would be willing to take him?

i don't think you have to. i've taken him as late as 16.08, and seen him go as low as 9.04. although his stock is probably up after MNF.

I took him in the 8th round of a 14 man redraft but I wanted to make sure I got him.

 

[gregjcross]

I'm not sure why anyone who watched that game last night saw anything not to like.OK, he had a penalty or two... we can assume he'll get better at that.He had 4 targets in less than 3 quarters of work and caught 3 for 31 yards... with the one he didn't catch being an end zone look that pretty much everyone thinks he should have had for an 18 yard TD. And he had 2 rushing attempts for 6 yards and another handoff.I think conservatively, assuming he stays healthy, Harvin is looking at 80+ targets and 30+ rushing/passing attempts (on the off chance he throws a pass or two). If he gets that many targets, judging from the looks he got last night, he should have at least 700 yards receiving and probably at least 100 rushing yards... and a handful of TDs, say 5 or more. Conservatively, that is 110+ fantasy points. Using FBG scoring, 110 fantasy points would have ranked him as WR33 last season. For a rookie, what's not to like with that kind of floor? Desean Jackson only scored 117 fantasy points last year, as a recent rookie WR comparison.And I think that is conservative, because I think it is inevitable that he'll break some long plays, but I'm projecting less then 4 ypc and roughly 12-13 ypr.And he and Favre have only had a matter of days to get in sync. Does anyone believe they aren't going to improve on their timing and chemistry? Plus, this is assuming no injuries to any other skill players. If Berrian, Rice, Peterson, or Taylor miss any substantial time, his potential increases.

And to me taht is pretty much your typical "good" rookie prospect. worth some attention, but not the attention that Harvin is getting.

 

[Tau837]

I'm not sure why anyone who watched that game last night saw anything not to like.OK, he had a penalty or two... we can assume he'll get better at that.He had 4 targets in less than 3 quarters of work and caught 3 for 31 yards... with the one he didn't catch being an end zone look that pretty much everyone thinks he should have had for an 18 yard TD. And he had 2 rushing attempts for 6 yards and another handoff.I think conservatively, assuming he stays healthy, Harvin is looking at 80+ targets and 30+ rushing/passing attempts (on the off chance he throws a pass or two). If he gets that many targets, judging from the looks he got last night, he should have at least 700 yards receiving and probably at least 100 rushing yards... and a handful of TDs, say 5 or more. Conservatively, that is 110+ fantasy points. Using FBG scoring, 110 fantasy points would have ranked him as WR33 last season. For a rookie, what's not to like with that kind of floor? Desean Jackson only scored 117 fantasy points last year, as a recent rookie WR comparison.And I think that is conservative, because I think it is inevitable that he'll break some long plays, but I'm projecting less then 4 ypc and roughly 12-13 ypr.And he and Favre have only had a matter of days to get in sync. Does anyone believe they aren't going to improve on their timing and chemistry? Plus, this is assuming no injuries to any other skill players. If Berrian, Rice, Peterson, or Taylor miss any substantial time, his potential increases.

And to me taht is pretty much your typical "good" rookie prospect. worth some attention, but not the attention that Harvin is getting.

Maybe you didn't understand that I'm saying this is his floor... I think there is a good chance he exceeds these numbers, which could put him in the running for breaking the top 20 WRs. I don't think a typical "good" rookie prospect has a floor of 110+ fantasy points, but maybe you are basing that on your league parameters...

 

[CravenM]

I don't think we've seen 10% of the plays that Percy Harvin will be involved in this year. If I were a coach for the Vikings, I'd use the pre-season to, not only see how PH performed the plays that are run, but also to see how defenses react to the plays.

For instance, I believe the 1st (if not only) snap that PH took in the Wildcat formation was quickly handed off to ADP and it looked to me like 9 guys on defense were on top of that play. If he holds the ball and runs around the end, he gets 5/10/20 yards and his night seems a lot different.

I swear I think the Vikings would be better off with Tarvaris Jackson running the offense that Favre, especially with PH and ADP, but it'll be an exciting offense to watch this year - for sure.

 

[Finless]

Just spent the last 6 hours watching film. Harvin is going to be involved in a lot of plays this year. The only other real weapons on the team are ADP and Shiancoe if you can call him a weapon. I think Harvin blows up.....this year. I seem to remember another Viking WR who blew up a decade ago.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

You "watched film" for 6 hours to make a Randy Moss reference

 

[Finless]

You "watched film" for 6 hours to make a Randy Moss reference

I generally watch about 25 hours of film a week from June until my drafts start. Harvin has it. He's a playmaker. Reminds me of Eric Metcalf.

 

[hook014]

You "watched film" for 6 hours to make a Randy Moss reference

He's in Tangiers. It's either that or watching goats poop out his window.BTW, that's how you get to "Super Elite Upper Tier".

 

[Finless]

You "watched film" for 6 hours to make a Randy Moss reference

He's in Tangiers. It's either that or watching goats poop out his window.BTW, that's how you get to "Super Elite Upper Tier".

n00bs

 

[Knobs]

Did he return the kickoffs and punts Monday? If so how did he look?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Just spent the last 6 hours watching film. Harvin is going to be involved in a lot of plays this year. The only other real weapons on the team are ADP and Shiancoe if you can call him a weapon. I think Harvin blows up.....this year. I seem to remember another Viking WR who blew up a decade ago.

You are really pooping on Berrian here. Now the guy is no Fitz, or Moss, but he did have 964 yards and a whopping 20.1 average on 48 catches last year. I think that is pretty good play making ability, I mean almost gettting 1000 yards receiving on such limited touches.Now as i mentioned earlier look where Harvin was being targetted and where he did make his catches. It is all slot stuff. The guy is going to be really good in this league in given time. But the only time he was targetted on a long route he dropped what should have been a catchable ball for a TD. Will he get better at these? Yes definitely. But tempered enthusiasm is best with Harvin in redraft.

 

[gregjcross]

I'm not sure why anyone who watched that game last night saw anything not to like.OK, he had a penalty or two... we can assume he'll get better at that.He had 4 targets in less than 3 quarters of work and caught 3 for 31 yards... with the one he didn't catch being an end zone look that pretty much everyone thinks he should have had for an 18 yard TD. And he had 2 rushing attempts for 6 yards and another handoff.I think conservatively, assuming he stays healthy, Harvin is looking at 80+ targets and 30+ rushing/passing attempts (on the off chance he throws a pass or two). If he gets that many targets, judging from the looks he got last night, he should have at least 700 yards receiving and probably at least 100 rushing yards... and a handful of TDs, say 5 or more. Conservatively, that is 110+ fantasy points. Using FBG scoring, 110 fantasy points would have ranked him as WR33 last season. For a rookie, what's not to like with that kind of floor? Desean Jackson only scored 117 fantasy points last year, as a recent rookie WR comparison.And I think that is conservative, because I think it is inevitable that he'll break some long plays, but I'm projecting less then 4 ypc and roughly 12-13 ypr.And he and Favre have only had a matter of days to get in sync. Does anyone believe they aren't going to improve on their timing and chemistry? Plus, this is assuming no injuries to any other skill players. If Berrian, Rice, Peterson, or Taylor miss any substantial time, his potential increases.

And to me taht is pretty much your typical "good" rookie prospect. worth some attention, but not the attention that Harvin is getting.

Maybe you didn't understand that I'm saying this is his floor... I think there is a good chance he exceeds these numbers, which could put him in the running for breaking the top 20 WRs. I don't think a typical "good" rookie prospect has a floor of 110+ fantasy points, but maybe you are basing that on your league parameters...

I understand where you are going with your projected floor, but I just don't buy it. I see more like 70-80 pts as his floor this year because I don't believe in short inexperienced WRs and I dont view him as a very mature person. Thus, I don't agree with your projections. But good luck if you own him, I do realize he produces a lot of excitement, and for that matter, I hope he does well as it would for some great games, as I expect MINN will be on national TV quite a bit with Favre and AP on board.

 

[flooredyas]

i am buying into the hype. how do you compare him to guys like lee evans, lance moore, hines ward etc? you guys take him ahead of the of the vets? just curious how high you would be willing to take him?

i don't think you have to. i've taken him as late as 16.08, and seen him go as low as 9.04. although his stock is probably up after MNF.

This past Sunday I got him with my next to last pick-17.11, between kickers. At that point he was worth it, thou I have reservations as to his value currently.

I agree with an earlier post however, let's see how his involvement is 3-4 games in.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Percy Harvin Preseason Week 3 Highlights

He looked awful on that ball he dropped on the corner route. He ran that route all the time at UF and I never saw him drop a ball that badly, so hopefully it was a one time thing.

He looked good the rest of the game though, you could see signs of that crazy burst he has, it's really going to blow some people's minds this year how quickly he gets to top speed.

 

[Chubbs]

With all the ways they have showcased Harvin I believe a typical game will look like:

5 carries 30-yards, 4 rec 60-yards. Now I believe that will be the floor for this guy on a weekly basis.

Breaking that down thats at least 10pts

If a #3WR can score 10pts or more weekly, I'll take that all season long. Its like having a RB/WR in your 3WR slot.

 

[Steve in Minneapolis]

He went in the FIFTH round of my league last night. Granted, it was here in Minneapolis, but I was floored. (or maybe I am just crabby since I had targeted him in the 6th where i had picked up an extra pick via trades...and thought I could snipe him there with a 'throw-away pick')

 

[hotlanta]

He was a shoestring tackle away from taking that first kickoff to the house.

 

[-jb-]

He went in the FIFTH round of my league last night. Granted, it was here in Minneapolis, but I was floored. (or maybe I am just crabby since I had targeted him in the 6th where i had picked up an extra pick via trades...and thought I could snipe him there with a 'throw-away pick')

Wow. No way I pay that for him.

 

[the spanker]

He went in the FIFTH round of my league last night. Granted, it was here in Minneapolis, but I was floored. (or maybe I am just crabby since I had targeted him in the 6th where i had picked up an extra pick via trades...and thought I could snipe him there with a 'throw-away pick')

Wow. No way I pay that for him.

You do if you league counts return yards. I got him at a discount in my league by drafting him in the 8th round as my #3.

 

[Tenacious]

With all the ways they have showcased Harvin I believe a typical game will look like:5 carries 30-yards, 4 rec 60-yards. Now I believe that will be the floor for this guy on a weekly basis.Breaking that down thats at least 10ptsIf a #3WR can score 10pts or more weekly, I'll take that all season long. Its like having a RB/WR in your 3WR slot.

Add another 75 return yards, if your league counts them, and you have gold.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

With all the ways they have showcased Harvin I believe a typical game will look like:5 carries 30-yards, 4 rec 60-yards. Now I believe that will be the floor for this guy on a weekly basis.Breaking that down thats at least 10ptsIf a #3WR can score 10pts or more weekly, I'll take that all season long. Its like having a RB/WR in your 3WR slot.

so higher ypc than Peterson plus 10 more catches than anyone on the team last yearis what you're saying

 

[travdogg]

With all the ways they have showcased Harvin I believe a typical game will look like:5 carries 30-yards, 4 rec 60-yards. Now I believe that will be the floor for this guy on a weekly basis.Breaking that down thats at least 10ptsIf a #3WR can score 10pts or more weekly, I'll take that all season long. Its like having a RB/WR in your 3WR slot.

so higher ypc than Peterson plus 10 more catches than anyone on the team last yearis what you're saying

Seems doable.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

ok

I mean that's 1,400 total yards

+ Tenacious's 1,200 return yards

we can keep a running total

 

[the spanker]

I did a search but don't see projections posted for Percy.

What reasonable stats should we expect from him this year to include return yards?

 

[Darko M]

I took him early and now regret it. I think he's going to end up being all but worthless in a redraft...unless Berrian goes down or something.

Comparing him to Chris Johnson is laughable, the Titans offense runs through CJ, the Vikings offense has and will for the next 8 years run thru AP. Percy will be a waiver wire guy by week 3...

 

[Chubbs]

ESPN Projections for Percy Harvin:

Rush: 37 Yards: 362 RuTD: 1

Rec: 65 Yards: 705 Rec TD: 3

At 1 pt for every 10 yds, .05 per rec, and 6pts per TD, thats 162.5 points from a #3 Wide Receiver.

There is a reason this is the 435th post about Percy Harvin!!!

 

[LOCO]

In redraft I see him as a boardline wr3. I just don't see him getting the ball in his hands enough. Gulp I think I would rather roll with hester. We all know culter can lock into a wr.

Great wr4. Great in dynasty. Just not this year. Too many other players like AP, Taylor, berrian, TE etc.

 

[thatguy]

ESPN Projections for Percy Harvin:Rush: 37 Yards: 362 RuTD: 1 Rec: 65 Yards: 705 Rec TD: 3 At 1 pt for every 10 yds, .05 per rec, and 6pts per TD, thats 162.5 points from a #3 Wide Receiver.There is a reason this is the 435th post about Percy Harvin!!!

ESPN is projecting almost 10YPC for him? Wow.

 

[SSOG]

With all the ways they have showcased Harvin I believe a typical game will look like:5 carries 30-yards, 4 rec 60-yards. Now I believe that will be the floor for this guy on a weekly basis.Breaking that down thats at least 10ptsIf a #3WR can score 10pts or more weekly, I'll take that all season long. Its like having a RB/WR in your 3WR slot.

So... Harvin's *FLOOR* is 1450 yards?Methinks you don't quite understand the concept of a "floor"...

 

[the spanker]

ESPN Projections for Percy Harvin:Rush: 37 Yards: 362 RuTD: 1 Rec: 65 Yards: 705 Rec TD: 3 At 1 pt for every 10 yds, .05 per rec, and 6pts per TD, thats 162.5 points from a #3 Wide Receiver.There is a reason this is the 435th post about Percy Harvin!!!

Sweet plus the the 1200 yds for KR projects him to 250pts in my league! CHAMPIONSHIP!!

 

[Darko M]

Why would a league allow points for kick returns? Just seems like a lame rule a commish puts in that he and maybe one other fantasy dork in the league can exploit, as the average ff player doesn't even think about a stat like that.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

CBS has the following projections for Harvin, fwiw:

36-516-4

29-179-1

 

[SSOG]

Why would a league allow points for kick returns? Just seems like a lame rule a commish puts in that he and maybe one other fantasy dork in the league can exploit, as the average ff player doesn't even think about a stat like that.

My leagues reward punt return yardage the same as receiving yardage, and give very very very slight rewards for kick return yardage (kick return yardage is worth half as much as punt return yardage, and you don't get any points until you pass 20 yards, since even a terrible kick returner can average 20 per return). I love it because it more accurately reflects NFL reality. If DeSean Jackson goes for 900 yards receiving and 400 yards on punt returns, why on earth SHOULDN'T he be worth more than some WR who only had 1100 yards receiving and no additional value? DeSean contributed a lot to his team with those punt returns, and it's nice for him to get rewarded for it.

 

[thatguy]

Why would a league allow points for kick returns? Just seems like a lame rule a commish puts in that he and maybe one other fantasy dork in the league can exploit, as the average ff player doesn't even think about a stat like that.

My leagues reward punt return yardage the same as receiving yardage, and give very very very slight rewards for kick return yardage (kick return yardage is worth half as much as punt return yardage, and you don't get any points until you pass 20 yards, since even a terrible kick returner can average 20 per return). I love it because it more accurately reflects NFL reality. If DeSean Jackson goes for 900 yards receiving and 400 yards on punt returns, why on earth SHOULDN'T he be worth more than some WR who only had 1100 yards receiving and no additional value? DeSean contributed a lot to his team with those punt returns, and it's nice for him to get rewarded for it.

I can understand this, but given that on Kickoffs the points don't start until the player passes the 20 yard barrier, seems it would make sense to do the same with punt return yards... Don't start the points until the player passes 8, 9, or (IMO the best choice) 10 yards... That way a player is not rewarded simply for being an average return man. An average return man brings nothing to his team, a below average return man actually hurts his team, so why reward every return yard? Better to start rewarding return yards when a player is actually playing above average at the position.

 

[Knobs]

Why would a league allow points for kick returns? Just seems like a lame rule a commish puts in that he and maybe one other fantasy dork in the league can exploit, as the average ff player doesn't even think about a stat like that.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. In the first year, maybe two, there will be some owners who won't fully appreciate what a difference this can make. Some people make it equal to receiving/rushing yardage. That's a bit much for my taste but to each their own.I'm in one league that gives 1 point for every 100 return yards (making return yardage a stupid and pointless addition). But imo 1 point for every 20-25 yards is the sweet spot. It makes guys like Leon solid bye week fillers (of if you're in a ppr, great starters).Like with any rule, it just adds another dimension to the game.

 

[SSOG]

I can understand this, but given that on Kickoffs the points don't start until the player passes the 20 yard barrier, seems it would make sense to do the same with punt return yards... Don't start the points until the player passes 8, 9, or (IMO the best choice) 10 yards... That way a player is not rewarded simply for being an average return man. An average return man brings nothing to his team, a below average return man actually hurts his team, so why reward every return yard? Better to start rewarding return yards when a player is actually playing above average at the position.

Average punt returners don't average 8 or 9 yards per return. Plus, there's already an in-built limitation on punt returners- the fair catch. A higher percentage of kickoffs are returned than punts.The big difference in my mind is that a kickoff returner can get 20 yards before he ever even gets touched by the other team. Punt returners are in traffic pretty much from the word go.

 

[The Powers That Be]

I'm in four 12-team PPR leagues that have drafted over the last 10 days. Harvin's gone in the 9th round every time. I'm surprised people can still get him later than that.

 

[the spanker]

I'm in four 12-team PPR leagues that have drafted over the last 10 days. Harvin's gone in the 9th round every time. I'm surprised people can still get him later than that.

That's why i took him in the 8th. I wasn't taking any chances of him slipping further.

 

[Marcumzilla]

Why would a league allow points for kick returns? Just seems like a lame rule a commish puts in that he and maybe one other fantasy dork in the league can exploit, as the average ff player doesn't even think about a stat like that.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. In the first year, maybe two, there will be some owners who won't fully appreciate what a difference this can make. Some people make it equal to receiving/rushing yardage. That's a bit much for my taste but to each their own.I'm in one league that gives 1 point for every 100 return yards (making return yardage a stupid and pointless addition). But imo 1 point for every 20-25 yards is the sweet spot. It makes guys like Leon solid bye week fillers (of if you're in a ppr, great starters).Like with any rule, it just adds another dimension to the game.

The one I have coming up is 1 pt per 50 yards (both PR and KR). I think that's pretty reasonable as well. It adds 20-30 pts per year to several players, but isn't ridiculously changing like two autodraft leagues I'm in. One makes RetYd equal to RecYd (otherwise reasonable), and the other makes it MORE valuable (also 1 pt per completion!?). Nate Burleson graded out as the top WR for one of the leagues.It's my first year in the one league, so I'm curious how it plays out. I have Brees, Moss, and stocked up on the likes of Leon Washington, Felix Jones, JL Higgins, etc.Back to the topic...Harvin is one of my potential "lotto tickets" I'm thinking of targeting in our auction tomorrow (1/50 ret yards league). I'm really up in the air.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Just an FYI, Bobby Wade restructured his deal today (or yesterday). He went from 3 million to 1.5 million. It also makes him a FA at the end of the year (he would have had another year). One of two things will happen.

1. He won't play much because Harvin is in the plans.

2. He will get packaged with Jackson to somewhere like Jacksonville because Harvin is in the plans.

 

[-jb-]

Who's got the junk to start this guy week one?