The political machine is terrified of Trump (1 Viewer)

[squidrope]

Gotta love all the R's and now Hillary commenting on this political outsider.

I'm so sick of the political machine and want the politicians to work for us again. Not thrilled with Trump. Glad he's mixing things up.

 

[rockaction]

Trump is a fool. But the anointed purveyors of information -- the mass media -- has never had any idea what to do with candidates that have #### you money or don't care about getting elected.

I love watching them trying to cover this.

eta* Also, if it takes this level of rank contrarianism to suggest that the San Francisco shooting might be tied to poor immigration policies, I'm not sure that the dialectic that the political mainstream has adopted is any good.

Actually, the modern pandering dialectic sounds like ####### rubbish.

 

[Franknbeans]

It's a jolly good show, ol' chap

 

[Parrothead]

imagine if every politician spoke their actual minds rather than saying what they need to say to get elected..

 

[Slapdash]

This whole Trump episode is a welcome break from the slow march towards the inevitable Bush vs Clinton showdown

 

[The General]

imagine if every politician spoke their actual minds rather than saying what they need to say to get elected..

Even less would get done.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

imagine if every politician spoke their actual minds rather than saying what they need to say to get elected..

I think he is saying plenty of red-meat things to rise up the right wing polling.... that he does not believe.

 

[Bucky86]

Cool. Another thread

 

[bagger]

Gotta love all the R's and now Hillary commenting on this political outsider.

I'm so sick of the political machine and want the politicians to work for us again. Not thrilled with Trump. Glad he's mixing things up.

think a random word generator hacked your account.Putting in a ticket for you now gb.

 

[Fennis]

Can't get much more political elite than Trump. He owns a chunk of the political machine.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

As much as I like seeing and we've all been asking for a politician the speaks his mind, breaks the cycle, etc, Bernie Sanders is doing the same thing. The difference is that Bernie's mind unfiltered isn't that of a huge ###hole like Trump's is.

 

[Jack White]

imagine if every politician spoke their actual minds rather than saying what they need to say to get elected..

Even less would get done.

The less that gets done, the better.

 

[Ash]

I'm sure they are. Seems he knows exactly the right thing to say, all the time. No wonder everybody loves him.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Can't get much more political elite than Trump. He owns a chunk of the political machine.

Ha really. Born into wealth, you would think he was Joe the Plumber, just a regular guy at the end if the bar. He sounds like the comments section of your newspaper's website. Sure. At this point right now he has leverage, he can get anything he wants. This is the Art of the Deal and he's painting his masterpiece.

 

[The Commish]

imagine if every politician spoke their actual minds rather than saying what they need to say to get elected..

Even less would get done.

This is a very loose definition of the word "done"

 

[Christo]

Cool. Another thread

/thread

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

As much as I like seeing and we've all been asking for a politician the speaks his mind, breaks the cycle, etc, Bernie Sanders is doing the same thing. The difference is that Bernie's mind unfiltered isn't that of a huge ###hole like Trump's is.

Bernie is definitely more likable. And he is commendably independent. His biggest problem is that his ideas suck.

 

[Mario Kart]

imagine if every politician spoke their actual minds rather than saying what they need to say to get elected..

Even less would get done.

In some instances this may not be a bad thing. Wouldn't the Republicans prefer this since it would mean less government intrusion in the lives of the people? Seems logical.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

imagine if every politician spoke their actual minds rather than saying what they need to say to get elected..

Even less would get done.

In some instances this may not be a bad thing. Wouldn't the Republicans prefer this since it would mean less government intrusion in the lives of the people? Seems logical.

Which is why they don't like him.

 

[Fennis]

Can't get much more political elite than Trump. He owns a chunk of the political machine.

Ha really. Born into wealth, you would think he was Joe the Plumber, just a regular guy at the end if the bar. He sounds like the comments section of your newspaper's website. Sure. At this point right now he has leverage, he can get anything he wants. This is the Art of the Deal and he's painting his masterpiece.

I think this is the book you are looking for.

Trump isn't even proposing much. He just says Illegal immigration is bad. Gay marriage is bad. He can secretly stop ISIS. John McCain is a loser. Some people are eating it up, because he speaks bluntly, but he hasn't really said ####.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

 

[rockaction]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

I liked this until I thought about Rubio and Walker.

I'll give Walker due deference given what he faced in Wisconsin. He fought a system that was stacked against him, both culturally and politically, and sort of won in many, many ways, with the recent decision regarding his supporters being a resounding defeat -- again -- of his political opponents. Oppose Walker at one's own peril. I'd hope Paul surfaces to the forefront in 2016 to intellectually pave the way for Walker in 2020.

 

[NutterButter]

How many republicans are running now? These debates are going to be a train wreck. I can't wait.

 

[Fennis]

How many republicans are running now? These debates are going to be a train wreck. I can't wait.

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The top 10 participate in the main debate. The other 7 are in a pre game show

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

I liked this until I thought about Rubio and Walker.

I'll give Walker due deference given what he faced in Wisconsin. He fought a system that was stacked against him, both culturally and politically, and sort of won in many, many ways, with the recent decision regarding his supporters being a resounding defeat -- again -- of his political opponents. Oppose Walker at one's own peril. I'd hope Paul surfaces to the forefront in 2016 to intellectually pave the way for Walker in 2020.

Rubio is a "Tea Party" nutjob and Walker appears to be a paleo-Conservative to me.

 

[urbanhack]

terrified

 

[HellToupee]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

Rand Paul brings the suck

 

[rockaction]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

I liked this until I thought about Rubio and Walker.

I'll give Walker due deference given what he faced in Wisconsin. He fought a system that was stacked against him, both culturally and politically, and sort of won in many, many ways, with the recent decision regarding his supporters being a resounding defeat -- again -- of his political opponents. Oppose Walker at one's own peril. I'd hope Paul surfaces to the forefront in 2016 to intellectually pave the way for Walker in 2020.

Rubio is a "Tea Party" nutjob and Walker appears to be a paleo-Conservative to me.

I would underestimate neither, given the current political climate. Rubio has broad political appeal (I know, it's a nebulous and generic statement) and Walker has some serious policy credibility, even if he is a paleo, a quality which I think he'll mute if he wants to be taken seriously.

 

[NutterButter]

How many republicans are running now? These debates are going to be a train wreck. I can't wait.

17

The top 10 participate in the main debate. The other 7 are in a pre game show

So who's going to be in the top 10? Christie and Trump should be in there for pure entertainment value.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

Rand Paul brings the suck

Pro tax reform

Pro sentencing/criminal justice reform

Against illegal domestic spying

Truly for smaller government

 

[Jack White]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

I liked this until I thought about Rubio and Walker.

I'll give Walker due deference given what he faced in Wisconsin. He fought a system that was stacked against him, both culturally and politically, and sort of won in many, many ways, with the recent decision regarding his supporters being a resounding defeat -- again -- of his political opponents. Oppose Walker at one's own peril. I'd hope Paul surfaces to the forefront in 2016 to intellectually pave the way for Walker in 2020.

Rubio is a "Tea Party" nutjob and Walker appears to be a paleo-Conservative to me.

I would underestimate neither, given the current political climate. Rubio has broad political appeal (I know, it's a nebulous and generic statement) and Walker has some serious policy credibility, even if he is a paleo, a quality which I think he'll mute if he wants to be taken seriously.

I never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate. Look at our last two presidents.

My point was they suck.

 

[rockaction]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

I liked this until I thought about Rubio and Walker.

I'll give Walker due deference given what he faced in Wisconsin. He fought a system that was stacked against him, both culturally and politically, and sort of won in many, many ways, with the recent decision regarding his supporters being a resounding defeat -- again -- of his political opponents. Oppose Walker at one's own peril. I'd hope Paul surfaces to the forefront in 2016 to intellectually pave the way for Walker in 2020.

Rubio is a "Tea Party" nutjob and Walker appears to be a paleo-Conservative to me.

I would underestimate neither, given the current political climate. Rubio has broad political appeal (I know, it's a nebulous and generic statement) and Walker has some serious policy credibility, even if he is a paleo, a quality which I think he'll mute if he wants to be taken seriously.

I never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate. Look at our last two presidents.

My point was they suck.

I didn't know that paleo-conservative inherently equated to "suck" in the English language. Pardon me.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

You can masturbate to the ideological purity of your Libertarian Utopian fantasies all you want.

I want to see a viable candidate who embraces classical liberalism, even if it is in a significantly watered down form.

Paul is the closest thing we have to that. The rest of the GOP candidates vary from bearably bad to indescribably awful. And Hillary is...Hillary Clinton.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

I liked this until I thought about Rubio and Walker.

I'll give Walker due deference given what he faced in Wisconsin. He fought a system that was stacked against him, both culturally and politically, and sort of won in many, many ways, with the recent decision regarding his supporters being a resounding defeat -- again -- of his political opponents. Oppose Walker at one's own peril. I'd hope Paul surfaces to the forefront in 2016 to intellectually pave the way for Walker in 2020.

Rubio is a "Tea Party" nutjob and Walker appears to be a paleo-Conservative to me.

I would underestimate neither, given the current political climate. Rubio has broad political appeal (I know, it's a nebulous and generic statement) and Walker has some serious policy credibility, even if he is a paleo, a quality which I think he'll mute if he wants to be taken seriously.

I never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate. Look at our last two presidents.

My point was they suck.

I didn't know that paleo-conservative inherently equated to "suck" in the English language. Pardon me.

Oh. Allow me to clarify: it does.

 

[timschochet]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

You can masturbate to the ideological purity of your Libertarian Utopian fantasies all you want.

I want to see a viable candidate who embraces classical liberalism, even if it is in a significantly watered down form.

Paul is the closest thing we have to that. The rest of the GOP candidates vary from bearably bad to indescribably awful. And Hillary is...Hillary Clinton.

And she is the closest you will get to classical liberalism.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

You can masturbate to the ideological purity of your Libertarian Utopian fantasies all you want.

I want to see a viable candidate who embraces classical liberalism, even if it is in a significantly watered down form.

Paul is the closest thing we have to that. The rest of the GOP candidates vary from bearably bad to indescribably awful. And Hillary is...Hillary Clinton.

And she is the closest you will get to classical liberalism.

You mean among candidates with a reasonable chance of winning? Debatable.

If you mean in the entire field, you are wrong.

 

[urbanhack]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

You can masturbate to the ideological purity of your Libertarian Utopian fantasies all you want.

I want to see a viable candidate who embraces classical liberalism, even if it is in a significantly watered down form.

Paul is the closest thing we have to that. The rest of the GOP candidates vary from bearably bad to indescribably awful. And Hillary is...Hillary Clinton.

And she is the closest you will get to classical liberalism.

 

[rockaction]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

You can masturbate to the ideological purity of your Libertarian Utopian fantasies all you want.

I want to see a viable candidate who embraces classical liberalism, even if it is in a significantly watered down form.

Paul is the closest thing we have to that. The rest of the GOP candidates vary from bearably bad to indescribably awful. And Hillary is...Hillary Clinton.

And she is the closest you will get to classical liberalism.

Jesus, tim.

 

[timschochet]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

You can masturbate to the ideological purity of your Libertarian Utopian fantasies all you want.

I want to see a viable candidate who embraces classical liberalism, even if it is in a significantly watered down form.

Paul is the closest thing we have to that. The rest of the GOP candidates vary from bearably bad to indescribably awful. And Hillary is...Hillary Clinton.

And she is the closest you will get to classical liberalism.

You mean among candidates with a reasonable chance of winning? Debatable.

If you mean in the entire field, you are wrong.

Of course the first is what I meant. Although, practically speaking, (in terms of actually getting stuff done in office), the second may hold true as well.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

You can masturbate to the ideological purity of your Libertarian Utopian fantasies all you want.

I want to see a viable candidate who embraces classical liberalism, even if it is in a significantly watered down form.

Paul is the closest thing we have to that. The rest of the GOP candidates vary from bearably bad to indescribably awful. And Hillary is...Hillary Clinton.

And she is the closest you will get to classical liberalism.

You mean among candidates with a reasonable chance of winning? Debatable.

If you mean in the entire field, you are wrong.

Of course the first is what I meant. Although, practically speaking, (in terms of actually getting stuff done in office), the second may hold true as well.

Posts like these last few are why you have your own thread.

 

[timschochet]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

You can masturbate to the ideological purity of your Libertarian Utopian fantasies all you want.

I want to see a viable candidate who embraces classical liberalism, even if it is in a significantly watered down form.

Paul is the closest thing we have to that. The rest of the GOP candidates vary from bearably bad to indescribably awful. And Hillary is...Hillary Clinton.

And she is the closest you will get to classical liberalism.

Jesus, tim.

But it's true.

Two of the most important classical liberal ideas (IMO) are free trade and open immigration. The two go hand in hand, and in fact are the key to libertarian values. The more free trade and open immigration you have, the more the rest of libertarianism comes along for the ride and implants itself into society. But when you restrict trade and immigration, you're restricting all liberty, and society becomes less free as a result.

Hillary Clinton is neither in favor of full free trade or open immigration. But she is more in favor of these things than any other candidate currently running for office. Her views are other issues that might contradict libertarian values are peripheral- on the important stuff, she's right there, as is Obama. But she will be more effective than Obama.

 

[timschochet]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

You can masturbate to the ideological purity of your Libertarian Utopian fantasies all you want.

I want to see a viable candidate who embraces classical liberalism, even if it is in a significantly watered down form.

Paul is the closest thing we have to that. The rest of the GOP candidates vary from bearably bad to indescribably awful. And Hillary is...Hillary Clinton.

And she is the closest you will get to classical liberalism.

You mean among candidates with a reasonable chance of winning? Debatable.

If you mean in the entire field, you are wrong.

Of course the first is what I meant. Although, practically speaking, (in terms of actually getting stuff done in office), the second may hold true as well.

Posts like these last few are why you have your own thread.

I have my own thread because I started it and for no other reason.

 

[rockaction]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

You can masturbate to the ideological purity of your Libertarian Utopian fantasies all you want.

I want to see a viable candidate who embraces classical liberalism, even if it is in a significantly watered down form.

Paul is the closest thing we have to that. The rest of the GOP candidates vary from bearably bad to indescribably awful. And Hillary is...Hillary Clinton.

And she is the closest you will get to classical liberalism.

Jesus, tim.

But it's true.

Two of the most important classical liberal ideas (IMO) are free trade and open immigration. The two go hand in hand, and in fact are the key to libertarian values. The more free trade and open immigration you have, the more the rest of libertarianism comes along for the ride and implants itself into society. But when you restrict trade and immigration, you're restricting all liberty, and society becomes less free as a result.

Hillary Clinton is neither in favor of full free trade or open immigration. But she is more in favor of these things than any other candidate currently running for office. Her views are other issues that might contradict libertarian values are peripheral- on the important stuff, she's right there, as is Obama. But she will be more effective than Obama.

I disagree with this premise. I think the fundamentals of classical liberalism are the ordering of the branches of government (in our country, per the articles of the constitution), federal and provincial structures, and then substantive policy issues bringing up the rear.

eta* I do agree that there are fundamentals that come before structure, but that those fundamentals have a great deal of wiggle room before they supersede anything.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

You can masturbate to the ideological purity of your Libertarian Utopian fantasies all you want.

I want to see a viable candidate who embraces classical liberalism, even if it is in a significantly watered down form.

Paul is the closest thing we have to that. The rest of the GOP candidates vary from bearably bad to indescribably awful. And Hillary is...Hillary Clinton.

And she is the closest you will get to classical liberalism.

You mean among candidates with a reasonable chance of winning? Debatable.

If you mean in the entire field, you are wrong.

Of course the first is what I meant. Although, practically speaking, (in terms of actually getting stuff done in office), the second may hold true as well.

Posts like these last few are why you have your own thread.

I have my own thread because I started it and for no other reason.

That isn't true and you know it!

 

[Fennis]

How many republicans are running now? These debates are going to be a train wreck. I can't wait.

17

The top 10 participate in the main debate. The other 7 are in a pre game show

So who's going to be in the top 10? Christie and Trump should be in there for pure entertainment value.

FOX hasn't announced their methodology yet, beyond it will be an average of multiple national polls. Trump will be in the Top 10, as will Walker, Paul, Bush, Rubio, Christie is on the cusp.

Real Clear politics has a rolling average of all polls, where they rank the 15 announced candidates

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

 

[mquinnjr]

As much as I like seeing and we've all been asking for a politician the speaks his mind, breaks the cycle, etc, Bernie Sanders is doing the same thing. The difference is that Bernie's mind unfiltered isn't that of a huge ###hole like Trump's is.

Bernie is definitely more likable. And he is commendably independent. His biggest problem is that his ideas suck.

I'd love to skip right to Bernie vs. Trump. Bernie would win, and it would be the most entertaining election cycle in a long time.

You got this, America.

 

[timschochet]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

You can masturbate to the ideological purity of your Libertarian Utopian fantasies all you want.

I want to see a viable candidate who embraces classical liberalism, even if it is in a significantly watered down form.

Paul is the closest thing we have to that. The rest of the GOP candidates vary from bearably bad to indescribably awful. And Hillary is...Hillary Clinton.

And she is the closest you will get to classical liberalism.

Jesus, tim.

But it's true.

Two of the most important classical liberal ideas (IMO) are free trade and open immigration. The two go hand in hand, and in fact are the key to libertarian values. The more free trade and open immigration you have, the more the rest of libertarianism comes along for the ride and implants itself into society. But when you restrict trade and immigration, you're restricting all liberty, and society becomes less free as a result.

Hillary Clinton is neither in favor of full free trade or open immigration. But she is more in favor of these things than any other candidate currently running for office. Her views are other issues that might contradict libertarian values are peripheral- on the important stuff, she's right there, as is Obama. But she will be more effective than Obama.

I disagree with this premise. I think the fundamentals of classical liberalism are the ordering of the branches of government (in our country, per the articles of the constitution), federal and provincial structures, and then substantive policy issues bringing up the rear.

Yes, I know you disagree. I would argue that without the free trade and open immigration policies which characterized the early years of western colonization of the Americas, the ordering of government would not have possible. And, had we shut down free trade and immigration during the first century of the United States, the Constitution would have become meaningless as we would have devolved into a dictatorial state much like so many countries in Latin America did. By the time we got to our second century, we were able to restrict freedom more because our governmental institutions were already ingrained. But still, we did it to our peril.

 

[Fennis]

As much as I like seeing and we've all been asking for a politician the speaks his mind, breaks the cycle, etc, Bernie Sanders is doing the same thing. The difference is that Bernie's mind unfiltered isn't that of a huge ###hole like Trump's is.

Bernie is definitely more likable. And he is commendably independent. His biggest problem is that his ideas suck.

I'd love to skip right to Bernie vs. Trump. Bernie would win, and it would be the most entertaining election cycle in a long time.

You got this, America.

best match up since Hogan v Savage

 

[urbanhack]

The entire Republican field, outside of Rand Paul, is one big turd.

And Rand is turning into a little turd himself.

You can masturbate to the ideological purity of your Libertarian Utopian fantasies all you want.

I want to see a viable candidate who embraces classical liberalism, even if it is in a significantly watered down form.

Paul is the closest thing we have to that. The rest of the GOP candidates vary from bearably bad to indescribably awful. And Hillary is...Hillary Clinton.

And she is the closest you will get to classical liberalism.

Jesus, tim.

But it's true.

Two of the most important classical liberal ideas (IMO) are free trade and open immigration. The two go hand in hand, and in fact are the key to libertarian values. The more free trade and open immigration you have, the more the rest of libertarianism comes along for the ride and implants itself into society. But when you restrict trade and immigration, you're restricting all liberty, and society becomes less free as a result.

Can you list the top ten?