The QBs you don't want on your roster (1 Viewer)

[lazyike]

theres a lot of talk about the depth at QB but when you look at the standard 12 man leagues for me its easy to find 10 plus QBs I dont want on my roster leaving only 22 or so rosterable starting QBs plus 1-2 backups (Hill for Stafford and Young for Vick) Here's my list of starting QBs I don't want to get stuck with in no particular order:

1.Alex Smith

2. Garrard

3. Henne

4. Clausen/Newton

5. T Jackson

6. Beck/Grossman

7. Campbell

8. Dalton

9. McCoy

10.Orton/Tebow(I'd feel good about Orton if it weren't for the fact I think Tebow will be starting sometime during the season)

(I also would not want Young as my #2 behind Vick)

 

[macknova]

While either Orton or Tebow plays, they could be decent, though less so without McDaniels. Jackson at least has a few weapons, a weak division, and the potential for running points. I rarely draft backup QB's unless there's some great value or my QB has an early bye week. Or if I don't grab one of the top 7 guys.

 

[lazyike]

My strategy has often been to wait to draft a QB in the 7-9th round and get a good backup. I 'm thinking I'll need to grab that good backup sooner because of so many undesirable QBs.

 

[Four Horsemen]

Not that they're undraftable but I just don't want them where I'd have to take them.

1) Michael Vick - injury risk plus it really looked like defenses were starting to figure him out a little at the end of last season. Doesn't help that his best two WRs are big question marks right now.

2) Peyton Manning - maybe I'm overreacting. Maybe he repeats two years ago and shakes off the rust from missing time with an injury, starts from Game 1, and has another MVP type year. I'm letting someone else take that risk. Neck injuries scare me.

3) Matthew Stafford - yeah, I know "IF he stays healthy." I'm want to see one season of WHEN he stays healthy.

4) Kevin Kolb - I can't give you a good reason why I don't believe in him, I'm just not sold he's a big time NFL quarterback like some are. I'd rather have Joe Flacco.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Any new starting QB on a team. (quite a list so won't give them all)

 

[Stealthycat]

Orton is top 10 QB - Tebow isn't a threat

 

[David Yudkin]

Orton is top 10 QB - Tebow isn't a threat

IIRC, if you started Orton and Tebow as your fantasy QB last year, combined they would have ranked as the #4 fantasy QB.I doubt they do as well this year, but they are far from a situation to avoid for fantasy purposes.

 

[jon_mx]

I wouldn't mind having Orton or Grossman on my roster as a QB2. The other guys, I would not draft.

 

[NeverEnough]

Newton was on my do not draft list, but I may change my mind if I can get him very late.

 

[N Zone]

Garrard is a good back up.

Orton should not be on this list.

 

[yrforyg]

orton is a tremendous late round value pick

 

[lazyike]

Orton is top 10 QB - Tebow isn't a threat

IIRC, if you started Orton and Tebow as your fantasy QB last year, combined they would have ranked as the #4 fantasy QB.I doubt they do as well this year, but they are far from a situation to avoid for fantasy purposes.

I think in a league where with deep rosters and you could draft both Orton and Tebow that would work but to only have Orton... that might leave you without much of a backup by week 10 when the Broncos are 3-6

 

[FF Ninja]

Orton is top 10 QB - Tebow isn't a threat

IIRC, if you started Orton and Tebow as your fantasy QB last year, combined they would have ranked as the #4 fantasy QB.I doubt they do as well this year, but they are far from a situation to avoid for fantasy purposes.

FWIW, the data dominator has Orton as QB7 though week 14 (he didn't play the last 3).With the switch from Josh McDaniels to John Fox, I'm going to shy away from the Denver QB this year. I feel Orton is still a lock to outproduce QB20 IF he starts all year, but that is a big "if" as this will be a losing team and he may get pulled for the lesser player just to appease the fans. Plus, I'm quite fond of the value presented by QB21 Fitzpatrick and QB22 McNabb.

Orton benefitted from a 613 attempt pace and a career high ypa (although he has improved every year since he's been in the league). I think we can expect decreases in both with Fox as the HC.

 

[Chaka]

I hope Garrard's perceived value stays this low. Dude was a top 10 QB last year.

Tebow is more likely to be traded than start for Denver.

 

[CentralPA]

I kind of think McCoy would be a great late round flyer too. I have a feeling he is going to be much better than people are giving him credit for.

 

[Shutout]

What is the deal on Garrard? Everyone always trashes him but in my 4pts/td league last year, he was top 12-14 or so, in the same neighborhood as Flacco and Cutler. Is that really "untouchable" territory?

Just think by and large he is vastly overlooked.

 

[FF Ninja]

What is the deal on Garrard? Everyone always trashes him but in my 4pts/td league last year, he was top 12-14 or so, in the same neighborhood as Flacco and Cutler. Is that really "untouchable" territory? Just think by and large he is vastly overlooked.

Agreed on a ppg basis, but the fear that he'll lose his job has to factor in. Do you think he'll start 16 games this year?

 

[loose circuits]

over half of these guys are gonna be better than you think, happens every year

 

[lazyike]

I kind of think McCoy would be a great late round flyer too. I have a feeling he is going to be much better than people are giving him credit for.

Of all the QBs i listed I actually feel he could be alright this year, mainly from the coaching and general manager changes that have occurred the last couple of years but partially because of the way McCoy looked in thier first preseason game

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I'm gonna add Matt Cassel.....KC returning to earth this year after a cake schedule last year.....the production drop off from all of their players could be epic this year with the schedule they have.....plus Cassel just isn't that good..........

 

[baconisgood]

Not that they're undraftable but I just don't want them where I'd have to take them.1) Michael Vick - injury risk plus it really looked like defenses were starting to figure him out a little at the end of last season. Doesn't help that his best two WRs are big question marks right now.

Really? Who is propagating this nonsense? His last 5 games333/2/1-9/44/0302/2/1-10/48/1270/2/2-8/16/1242/3/1-10/130/1263/1/1-8/63/1Playoffs292/1/1-8/32/1His worst regular season game out of those 5 prorates to 4,320/32/32-250/16.Figured him out

 

[Lascelle]

There are plenty of QBs in new situations that don't appear to be all that reliable. You can dismiss most of them in 10 or 12-team leagues but when you start to get into 2-QB 12-team leagues or standard 16+ team leagues you have to give serious pause to drafting a reliable 2nd QB early because there will be scraps left on the waiver wire with no guarantee you'll even be able to land a Colt McCoy, Cam Newton or Tim Tebow if they wind up serviceable.

Especially when you can find 10 QBs with worse fantasy situations than Mark Sanchez and that doesn't even factor in mid-range guys you want nothing to do with (i.e. I'm not touching Jay Cutler this year).

 

[Chris Yandek]

Interesting thread guys. Anyone who has Henne on their roster this year is only for depth or injury purposes.

 

[GregR]

Orton is top 10 QB - Tebow isn't a threat

IIRC, if you started Orton and Tebow as your fantasy QB last year, combined they would have ranked as the #4 fantasy QB.I doubt they do as well this year, but they are far from a situation to avoid for fantasy purposes.

FWIW, the data dominator has Orton as QB7 though week 14 (he didn't play the last 3).With the switch from Josh McDaniels to John Fox, I'm going to shy away from the Denver QB this year. I feel Orton is still a lock to outproduce QB20 IF he starts all year, but that is a big "if" as this will be a losing team and he may get pulled for the lesser player just to appease the fans. Plus, I'm quite fond of the value presented by QB21 Fitzpatrick and QB22 McNabb.

Orton benefitted from a 613 attempt pace and a career high ypa (although he has improved every year since he's been in the league). I think we can expect decreases in both with Fox as the HC.

This is my take as well. Last year the Broncos threw the ball 580 times. The Panthers threw it 484. That result isn't out of character for Fox. Here is how Fox's Panthers teams ranked in pass attempts during his 9 years: 29, 28, 11, 28, 10, 24, 32, 29, 26. Two seasons borderline top ten, five seasons bottom five in the league, and two more bottom quarter of the league.

 

[Perfect Tommy]

I don't want any part of Orton because he could easily suffer from Tebow being put in at the goal line. That could cost him several TDs over the course of the year.

I like McCoy quite a bit as a very late flyer. He is getting good buzz about him and he did pretty well as a rookie. CLE had a terrible offense last year but I think they are going to be somewhere in the middle this year and McCoy is in line to benefit. And as a young player, there is no telling just how good he might prove to be.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Carson Palmer

-QG

 

[TheGrimReaper]

I kind of think McCoy would be a great late round flyer too. I have a feeling he is going to be much better than people are giving him credit for.

Can't justify why....but I think you are correct....just a hunch

 

[jbz]

I think the Redskins ranked top 5 in pass attempts last year or something like that. Grossman might not be winning a lot of games, but he could put up serviceable numbers. His 3 games started last year were not bad. 2 good ones and 1 stinker:

[*]week 15 vs Dallas - 322 yards, 4 TDs, 2 INTs, 1 FL

[*]week 16 vs Jax - 182 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

[*]week 17 vs NYG - 336 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 2 FL

The stinker was the one game he won. He also obviously has a turnover problem. But if you think the Skins are going to stink this year (I do), then they'll likely be throwing a lot. If you can live with the potential turnovers, he's worthy of some spot starts if you are going QBBC or need a bye week fill in. The Skins OL will be a lot better this year too. I guess you could apply the same theory to Beck, but I'm just not buying him as a NFL starter.

 

[dcarrbaby]

I'm hoping you don't leave these guys until the end and hope them to be your starter. They should not be ranking anywhere near the top 12 QBs in re drafts, but I think there is value in some as a QB2 where you could draft them. Garrard, McCoy, and Orton or Tebow will all put up solid numbers as a QB2 and can be drafted late in your drafts (maybe not Orton and Tebow).

 

[Defending Champs]

Not that they're undraftable but I just don't want them where I'd have to take them.1) Michael Vick - injury risk plus it really looked like defenses were starting to figure him out a little at the end of last season. Doesn't help that his best two WRs are big question marks right now.

Really? Who is propagating this nonsense? His last 5 games333/2/1-9/44/0302/2/1-10/48/1270/2/2-8/16/1242/3/1-10/130/1263/1/1-8/63/1Playoffs292/1/1-8/32/1His worst regular season game out of those 5 prorates to 4,320/32/32-250/16.Figured him out

The one thing you should also notice is the fact that all 6 INT's from last year were in his last 6 starts.The numbers overall were relatively the same disregarding the INT's.

 

[baconisgood]

Not that they're undraftable but I just don't want them where I'd have to take them.1) Michael Vick - injury risk plus it really looked like defenses were starting to figure him out a little at the end of last season. Doesn't help that his best two WRs are big question marks right now.

Really? Who is propagating this nonsense? His last 5 games333/2/1-9/44/0302/2/1-10/48/1270/2/2-8/16/1242/3/1-10/130/1263/1/1-8/63/1Playoffs292/1/1-8/32/1His worst regular season game out of those 5 prorates to 4,320/32/32-250/16.Figured him out

The one thing you should also notice is the fact that all 6 INT's from last year were in his last 6 starts.The numbers overall were relatively the same disregarding the INT's.

INTs are fluky. In 2007 Brady had 2 INTs his first 8 games and 6 in the second half of the season. In 2009 he had 2 in his first 6 games and 11 in the following 10 games. In 2007 Garrard had 3 INTs in 12 starts and in 2008 he had 13 in 15 starts. If Vick had 3 more INTs during the season but they all came during the first half of the year his numbers would have been somewhat worse but he would have looked more "consistent" through the year and fewer people would be saying that he was "figured out".

 

[Sweet Love]

Orton is top 10 QB - Tebow isn't a threat

IIRC, if you started Orton and Tebow as your fantasy QB last year, combined they would have ranked as the #4 fantasy QB.I doubt they do as well this year, but they are far from a situation to avoid for fantasy purposes.

FWIW, the data dominator has Orton as QB7 though week 14 (he didn't play the last 3).With the switch from Josh McDaniels to John Fox, I'm going to shy away from the Denver QB this year. I feel Orton is still a lock to outproduce QB20 IF he starts all year, but that is a big "if" as this will be a losing team and he may get pulled for the lesser player just to appease the fans. Plus, I'm quite fond of the value presented by QB21 Fitzpatrick and QB22 McNabb.

Orton benefitted from a 613 attempt pace and a career high ypa (although he has improved every year since he's been in the league). I think we can expect decreases in both with Fox as the HC.

I won't say that Orton or Denver QB will finish top 10 again, but Fox is not scared to throw the ball if he has competent receivers and I would be surprised if the Denver QB fininshes below top 15 (a very nice QB2 at worst). Here are Delhomme's better numbers:2003 - 19 TDs/16 INTs 3219 yards

2004 - 29TDs/15 INTs 3886 yards

2005 - 24TDs/16 INTs 3421 yards

2006 - 17 TDs/11 INTs 2805 yards (13 games)

2007 - 8 TDs/1 INT 624 yards (3 games)

Obviously not killer numbers, but not terrible ones either. Mind you he did this with guys like Stephen Davis, DeShaun Foster and Tim Biakabutuku at RB. Once Delhomme broke down and Fox got good RBs, he simply rode the better horse in the RBs. From a receiving standpoint, while Steve Smith may have been better than anything Denver has now, I would much rather have Lloyd, Royal, and Thomas. 2003 is the only year Delhomme had both Smith and Muhammad on the field during his prime...he was able to put those numbers with just one of them, and with more options in Denver, I would be surprised to see if Orton (a better QB), failed to put up numbers less than those in Delhomme's prime.