BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
Their D right now looks eerily similar to their SB team. no way i would want to play them if i were TEN or PIT
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The Ravens are now the most dangerous playoff team (1 Viewer)
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Well they are similar to both those teams and I think most people thought they were "dangerous" coming into this game. Why did you think Miami would win?
super sleeper
Footballguy
Until the Ravens shut down a top team, I think the jury is still out. The Dolphins were a nice story, but they weren't even favored in their own home playoff game.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Ravens look tough but I don't think they're any more dangerous than the Titans, Steelers or Chargers. To me the Titans are the team to beat.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
They are now 3-5 against playoff teams(Miami they beat twice)...thye can be beat.
And the Ravens looked exhausted at the end of that game...the sideline shots of Reed and crew looked like theyw ere pretty tired. Tennessee will be well rested, I look for them to give the Ravens fits and I think Baltimore has a good chance of losing this game.
And the Ravens looked exhausted at the end of that game...the sideline shots of Reed and crew looked like theyw ere pretty tired. Tennessee will be well rested, I look for them to give the Ravens fits and I think Baltimore has a good chance of losing this game.
Mr Capicollo
Footballguy
I think the Titans are too but Baltimore lost by 3, 3, and 4 in those three games vs the Titans and Steelers this year. They can certainly keep up with either.The Ravens look tough but I don't think they're any more dangerous than the Titans, Steelers or Chargers. To me the Titans are the team to beat.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
No doubt. I just don't see them as any more dangerous than the remaining teams in the AFC.I think the Titans are too but Baltimore lost by 3, 3, and 4 in those three games vs the Titans and Steelers this year. They can certainly keep up with either.The Ravens look tough but I don't think they're any more dangerous than the Titans, Steelers or Chargers. To me the Titans are the team to beat.
gman74
Footballguy
Plus the game against the Pukesburgh should have at least gone to OT if not for a horrible call. Tennessee in hindsight should have lost the game against the Pukes then they could have had the bye against the Chargers instead of having to plat Baltimore. Tennessee is unlucky the way things shook out this weekend and the Pukes caught another break.I think the Titans are too but Baltimore lost by 3, 3, and 4 in those three games vs the Titans and Steelers this year. They can certainly keep up with either.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Not with the way Flacco played today. You can't continue to hide his being a rookie for four games straight. He'll be forced to throw the ball at some point. And you can say that he didn't turn the ball over but it still doesn't hide the fact he did just about nothing to help them win the ball game today.
(unwelcomed)GUEST
Footballguy
Sorry, are the Pukes the Steelers? I don't get it, can you explain why u call them the Pukes. signed,(Ravens Fan that believes Bmore got hosed against Tenn by the refs)Plus the game against the Pukesburgh should have at least gone to OT if not for a horrible call. Tennessee in hindsight should have lost the game against the Pukes then they could have had the bye against the Chargers instead of having to plat Baltimore. Tennessee is unlucky the way things shook out this weekend and the Pukes caught another break.I think the Titans are too but Baltimore lost by 3, 3, and 4 in those three games vs the Titans and Steelers this year. They can certainly keep up with either.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
I think I cracked the code. If you substitute Puke for Pitt, you go from Pittsburgh to Pukesburgh. I don't like this system because why would the first t be represented by a k, but the second one represented by an e?Sorry, are the Pukes the Steelers? I don't get it, can you explain why u call them the Pukes. signed,(Ravens Fan that believes Bmore got hosed against Tenn by the refs)Plus the game against the Pukesburgh should have at least gone to OT if not for a horrible call. Tennessee in hindsight should have lost the game against the Pukes then they could have had the bye against the Chargers instead of having to plat Baltimore. Tennessee is unlucky the way things shook out this weekend and the Pukes caught another break.I think the Titans are too but Baltimore lost by 3, 3, and 4 in those three games vs the Titans and Steelers this year. They can certainly keep up with either.The Ravens look tough but I don't think they're any more dangerous than the Titans, Steelers or Chargers. To me the Titans are the team to beat.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Don't read too much into his coding system. He's a little slow..........I think I cracked the code. If you substitute Puke for Pitt, you go from Pittsburgh to Pukesburgh. I don't like this system because why would the first t be represented by a k, but the second one represented by an e?Sorry, are the Pukes the Steelers? I don't get it, can you explain why u call them the Pukes. signed,(Ravens Fan that believes Bmore got hosed against Tenn by the refs)Plus the game against the Pukesburgh should have at least gone to OT if not for a horrible call. Tennessee in hindsight should have lost the game against the Pukes then they could have had the bye against the Chargers instead of having to plat Baltimore. Tennessee is unlucky the way things shook out this weekend and the Pukes caught another break.I think the Titans are too but Baltimore lost by 3, 3, and 4 in those three games vs the Titans and Steelers this year. They can certainly keep up with either.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Steelers have the best D of the three and one of the best defenses in modern history; they've also got the best QB. They do what the Ravens do, only better. There were three very good AFC teams this year and the Steelers only need to beat one to get to the SB. With the favorable draw and the best team I think they're the favorite.
gman74
Footballguy
Best draw yes. Best QB only because 1 is a rookie and the other just hands the ball off. I disagree about the Ravens D not being as good,they really are a high quality D and every but as good IMO
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
But the Steelers already proved they were slightly better in 2 meetings this year. The Ravens have a very good D but they're not as good as the Steelers D. However, I'm not so sure that the Ravens offense isn't better than "Pukesburghs" offense. It would be another great game if these 2 teams met...........
gman74
Footballguy
3 Pts the first game. 2nd game I will go back to the "Holmes TD" if that game actually played out it could have been the Ravens by 3 and you would be looking at a tie 1-1. The winner of the Baltimore/Titans game will be at a disadvantage because they will be all beat to hell. The Chargers should get rolled any 3 of the remaining teams could play their 2nd string D's and roll the Chargers way to big of an advantage.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Look I know you're the most vocal Steeler hater on this board but the bolded comment you make just shows that you're either fishing or extremely clueless about the NFL. Lets say that was in fact a bad call (which I don't believe it was). Then, it's 4th down and the Steelers can still kick the fg to tie the game. Why do you make the assumption that the Ravens win that game if not for the "bad" call? You don't really have to answer that.....we both know that you're just fishing.
(unwelcomed)GUEST
Footballguy
Bets?
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Bet on what? Shouldn't we at least wait until after next week to see if the 2 teams are going to play each other?
gman74
Footballguy
Apparently you can't comprehend what you read. The bolded part said could have not would have or should have won,now who is clueless.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Gotcha!!! If the Steelers COULD have outscored the Titans, they would have homefield for the playoffs.
gman74
Footballguy
lol gotcha what I have already said the Titans in hindsight should have lost the game then they would have the Chargers instead of a much tougher game against the Ravens. PS The Steelers COULD have but they got DEEEEEEEEEEEEESTROYED where they could only beat the Ravens with some help by 6 pts in 2 games .
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
But if they had played a better game, they COULD have beaten the Titans. I can play the "would have, could have, should have game" all day long. Bottom line---Steelers are 2-0 against the Ravens. They have the better defense and the stats will back it up. You're a Steeler hater in denial.......lol gotcha what I have already said the Titans in hindsight should have lost the game then they would have the Chargers instead of a much tougher game against the Ravens. PS The Steelers COULD have but they got DEEEEEEEEEEEEESTROYED where they could only beat the Ravens with some help by 6 pts in 2 games .
poopdawg
Footballguy
Dont you ever get tired of this? Go fish in your 0-16 thread.As for the subject at hand, Baltimore is certainly playing good ball right now and of all the playoff teams, I think they have the best shot at beating Tenn. They match up well. If the Steelers get past SD this week, they will have their hands full with either team, but I do hope its Baltimore so the games at home. I wouldnt say theyre the MOST dangerous, but if they open up their offense a bit, they will be tough to beat. I would have said Indy was the most dangerous AFC team, but thats a moot point now.Plus the game against the Pukesburgh should have at least gone to OT if not for a horrible call. Tennessee in hindsight should have lost the game against the Pukes then they could have had the bye against the Chargers instead of having to plat Baltimore. Tennessee is unlucky the way things shook out this weekend and the Pukes caught another break.I think the Titans are too but Baltimore lost by 3, 3, and 4 in those three games vs the Titans and Steelers this year. They can certainly keep up with either.
Yep plus they have a good QB who stayed healthy for what the first time in franchise history maybe? This is the last team I would want to play in the playoffs esp when you know they will be pretty sizable underdogs. In this weird year I can see them going to the SB.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
What we know is the rest of the AFC playoffs are going to be hard to watch.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Why? I see three games where the difference is one score.
Balco
Footballguy
No question they have a shot. That defense will keep them in every game, especially with the remaining AFC teams. The key will be Flacco limiting his mistakes, and that is asking alot for a player who will be playing in hostile environments the rest of the way.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
My team ratings for these three Ds:
PassO RushO PtsO TDO PassD RushD PtsD TDD O Avg D Avg Tm AvgTennessee Titans 14 5 14 15 3 7 2 3 12.00 3.75 7.88Baltimore Ravens 18 20 11 18 2 2 3 2 16.75 2.25 9.50Pittsburgh Steelers 19 26 20 19 1 1 1 1 21.00 1.00 11.00These three teams rank in the top three in pass defense, points allowed and offensive touchdowns allowed. The only blemish whatsoever on any of these Ds is that the Titans allowed 12 rushing TDs and ranked "only" sixth in YPC allowed and rushing yards allowed. Along with Philly, these four Ds are the class of the NFL. A little more in depth look:Adjusted net yards per pass allowed:
1 2.96 Pittsburgh Steelers2 3.34 Baltimore Ravens3 3.90 Tennessee TitansAdjusted yards per carry allowed:
Points allowed:
Offensive touchdowns allowed:
The Ravens are really on the Steelers heels in most of those categories. If Pittsburgh's D is historically good, Baltimore's D is historically good, too -- just maybe a few slots lower. And the Titans D? Good enough to be #1 in most years, I think.I like the Steelers because they have the easier matchup this round and arguably next round, if their opponent is banged up. But their O leaves a lot to be desired. Despite having the best QB of the three teams, and probably the best set of receivers as well, Pittsburgh somehow ranks last among the three teams in passing efficiency. The obvious explanations are the worst OL of the group and the worst play-calling; not exactly inspiring for playoff success.
The Titans are by far the best rushing team of the group, and really the only team with any identity on offense. Baltimore and Pittsburgh rank in the bottom half of the league in rushing efficiency, passing efficiency and offensive touchdowns. Tennessee ranks in the bottom half in the latter two categories but fifth in rushing.
Rush Rush Rush Rush Rush Rk Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Chris Johnson TEN 251 1228 9 66 4.9 LeRon McClain BAL 232 902 10 82 3.9 Willie Parker PIT 210 791 5 34 3.8 LenDale White TEN 200 773 15 80 3.9 Willis McGahee BAL 170 671 7 77 3.9 Mewelde Moore PIT 140 588 5 32 4.2 Ray Rice BAL 107 454 0 60 4.2Neither the Ravens nor the Steelers have a player like Chris Johnson. And that's really the difference among the three offenses. White, McClain, Parker, McGahee, Moore and Rice are all in the category of pretty good. But Johnson's a big play, explosive threat that the Steelers and Ravens wish they had.So what's the solution? The Titans have the worst defense but the best offense. The Steelers the best defense but the worst OL. The Ravens have a terrific defense but no identity on offense. Considering the Titans' "worst defense" is better than any defense in most years, and along with home field, makes me think they're the best team. And to some extent their D looks worse because of the meaningless week 17 game.
Only reason I'd take the Steelers against the field is because they get the Chargers. The Ravens have the longest odds of winning the AFC, as they'd have to win a road game against a decent offense and a great defense and then another road game against an all time great defense. Too tough a task, I think.
PassO RushO PtsO TDO PassD RushD PtsD TDD O Avg D Avg Tm AvgTennessee Titans 14 5 14 15 3 7 2 3 12.00 3.75 7.88Baltimore Ravens 18 20 11 18 2 2 3 2 16.75 2.25 9.50Pittsburgh Steelers 19 26 20 19 1 1 1 1 21.00 1.00 11.00These three teams rank in the top three in pass defense, points allowed and offensive touchdowns allowed. The only blemish whatsoever on any of these Ds is that the Titans allowed 12 rushing TDs and ranked "only" sixth in YPC allowed and rushing yards allowed. Along with Philly, these four Ds are the class of the NFL. A little more in depth look:Adjusted net yards per pass allowed:
1 2.96 Pittsburgh Steelers2 3.34 Baltimore Ravens3 3.90 Tennessee TitansAdjusted yards per carry allowed:
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1 Pittsburgh Steelers 3.652 Baltimore Ravens 3.78...7 Tennessee Titans 4.32
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Rk Tm Pts PPG1 Pittsburgh Steelers 223 13.92 Tennessee Titans 234 14.63 Baltimore Ravens 244 15.3
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Rk Tm Off TD RTD PTD 1 Pittsburgh Steelers 19 7 122 Baltimore Ravens 21 4 173 Tennessee Titans 24 12 123 Indianapolis Colts 24 18 6The Titans are by far the best rushing team of the group, and really the only team with any identity on offense. Baltimore and Pittsburgh rank in the bottom half of the league in rushing efficiency, passing efficiency and offensive touchdowns. Tennessee ranks in the bottom half in the latter two categories but fifth in rushing.
Rush Rush Rush Rush Rush Rk Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Chris Johnson TEN 251 1228 9 66 4.9 LeRon McClain BAL 232 902 10 82 3.9 Willie Parker PIT 210 791 5 34 3.8 LenDale White TEN 200 773 15 80 3.9 Willis McGahee BAL 170 671 7 77 3.9 Mewelde Moore PIT 140 588 5 32 4.2 Ray Rice BAL 107 454 0 60 4.2Neither the Ravens nor the Steelers have a player like Chris Johnson. And that's really the difference among the three offenses. White, McClain, Parker, McGahee, Moore and Rice are all in the category of pretty good. But Johnson's a big play, explosive threat that the Steelers and Ravens wish they had.So what's the solution? The Titans have the worst defense but the best offense. The Steelers the best defense but the worst OL. The Ravens have a terrific defense but no identity on offense. Considering the Titans' "worst defense" is better than any defense in most years, and along with home field, makes me think they're the best team. And to some extent their D looks worse because of the meaningless week 17 game.
Only reason I'd take the Steelers against the field is because they get the Chargers. The Ravens have the longest odds of winning the AFC, as they'd have to win a road game against a decent offense and a great defense and then another road game against an all time great defense. Too tough a task, I think.
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super sleeper
Footballguy
The OP is basing his assessment of the AFC on the Ravens over the Dolphins today, as if they built some kind of momentum. That may be true, but having watched the TN and Pitt D this year, I find it hard to believe they did any more than those teams would have done today. So to say they are the most dangerous team is just not true. To quote Denny Green: "They are who we thought they'd be".
Tanner9919
Footballguy
and if they played the Giants again, they'd get steam-rolled like they did a few weeks ago.but that is getting way ahead of ourselves.I don't like the Ravens chances of going to the SB, they can't beat Pitt, and I'm not so sure they can beat SD, either..Flacco had a poor game yesterday, 9/23 passing? putrid. Thats why I doubt the Ravens can beat the Titans and their stout run defense, because you know they will shut down the Ravens' running game, and force Flacco to make plays..I doubt Flacco makes enough plays to win the game, and I doubt the highly-touted Ravens' defense can stop the Titans power running game..This could be a 'take them out behind the woodshed' type of game for the Titans..Balt might get their heads handed to themBuddyKnuckles said:
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Good analysis, Chase. I'd love to see Gman's comments on it, but he had to leave the internet cafe to get back to his bridge. There are a lot of people trying to cross, which means he has to come up with a lot of riddles for them.
dparker713
Footballguy
Sorry, but I just cant rank any team that got absolutely manhandled earlier in the year as a historically good defense. The Giants flat out dominated them. They were helpless on to stop them.Chase Stuart said:
Mr Capicollo
Footballguy
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Thoughts on the '00 Ravens?
gonzobill5
Footballguy
I think all three of these defenses are among the best I've seen in some time. Pittsburgh might rank #1, but they aren't head and shoulders above Baltimore or Tennessee. When you consider Baltimore's defender's ability to take one to the house, I'm not sure which I'd prefer. It kind of surprises me to say this, but all things considered I think Baltimore has the best offense of the three. That said, Baltimore will be on the road. As much as Flacco has impressed me for a young guy, I don't know if he goes into Tenn and Pittsburgh and comes out with a victory.Chase Stuart said:
gonzobill5
Footballguy
Thanks for this analysis, and I think you make a good point about Chris Johnson. Similar to the Eagles game yesterday, it doesn't matter how good your run d is, in a low scoring game if you overpursue on just one play against a player like that you could pay for it. Only thing I disagree with is that the Ravens have no identity on offense. I think they've established themselves pretty well as a team that will pound the ball up the middle while not being afraid to take a few shots deep or throw in some trickery. Steelers are the ones who don't really know what they want to do on offense.Chase Stuart said:
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Pretty sure the Charger game is fresh in the minds of the Steeler players. I doubt they'll take them lightly.
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