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The real "Old Ballcoach" will return to Skins (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Leo Scanlon
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Wow. Gotta give it up to Danny Snyder on this one. I've no idea how Gibbs can do after such a layoff but you have to like the style move here. We'll see.J
Goat Herders
Footballguy
I don't remember much about Gibbs's style of play. For Fantasy Football purposes, what does this mean for....1. Patrick Ramsey?2. Trung, Ladell, Rock?3. TE - (perhaps Winslow)4. Washington D?Is he a power-run guy? Or pass heavy? Or a bit of both? Ball control/short passes? Air it out? Thoughts?HERD
Steel Dillo
Footballguy
Mort just confirmed on ESPN radio.
Rayderr
Footballguy
Very much power run, (think John Riggins and the famous gap-countergap play) but is willing to air out when the time is right (see Doug Williams in the Super Bowl)Here in the DC area, this is like the top story on all of the news stations. Lot of people wondering if the game has changed too much during the 10 years he's been gone. I don't think the playcalling will need to be changed that much, but free agency may prove interesting to him. I gotta think Trung is gone. He's probably gonna want a big heavy bruising runner along the lines of Mike Alstott. Ramsey should be safe. Remember this is the coach that made household names out of Theismann, Rypien, Williams, heck, even Schroeder.TE's under him were mostly blocking TE's (Donnie Warren) The D, should improve (remember this is the guy that had Darrell Green, Dexter Manley, Charles Mann, and so on.)The O-Line should greatly improve as well.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
Herd-WHen Denny Green took over Minnesota, he wanted to distance himself a bit from Walsh, so he instituted the principles of the Washington offense. THose Redskins had both the smurfs and Riggins. They will run and throw. THey were successful in scoring in bunches, and were one of the top scoring teams in the NFL. HE did this with multiple QB's: THeisman, Williams, and the one year wonder Rypien. I think that Gibbs is a coach, who like Parcells, will play to his personell.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
How did Snyder manage to keep this under wraps for so long? Kudos to him for what looks like a pretty good move. I guess he was due. 
Native
Footballguy
From ESPN:
WASHINGTON -- Hall of Fame coach Joe Gibbs is set to make a surprise return to the Washington Redskins.
NFL sources have comfirmed to ESPN that Gibbs has agreed to coach the Redskins.
Terms of Gibbs' deal were not immediately available, but the Redskins have budgeted $5 million per year for a coach, the amount they were paying Steve Spurrier, according to The Associated Press.
The Washington Post, citing sources with connections to Gibbs, reported late Tuesday on its Web site that Gibbs was in serious discussions about returning to the team that he led to three Super Bowl titles.
Gibbs, who is 63, coached the Redskins from 1981 to 1992 before resigning to pursue a career with his own NASCAR team. He has been adamant over the years about not wanting to coach again, although he has retained NFL connections. He is a minority owner of the Atlanta Falcons.
The Redskins are seeking a replacement for Spurrier, who resigned last week. They have interviewed former New York Giants coach Jim Fassel, former Minnesota coach Dennis Green and Seattle defensive coordinator Ray Rhodes, who was in town Tuesday.
A source close to Fassel told the Post that he did not believe Fassel would be hired because the club was planning a major surprise. That source added that he believed Gibbs' return would be the surprise.
Calls to the Redskins and to Gibbs' racing team were not returned immediately.
Gibbs' racing teams have been among the most successful in NASCAR, with two Winston Cup championships in the last four seasons. Bobby Labonte took the title in 2000, Tony Stewart in 2002.
Gibbs' oldest son, J.D., is president of Joe Gibbs Racing. The former coach's youngest son, Coy, finished 14th last season in the Busch Series standings.
WASHINGTON -- Hall of Fame coach Joe Gibbs is set to make a surprise return to the Washington Redskins.
NFL sources have comfirmed to ESPN that Gibbs has agreed to coach the Redskins.
Terms of Gibbs' deal were not immediately available, but the Redskins have budgeted $5 million per year for a coach, the amount they were paying Steve Spurrier, according to The Associated Press.
The Washington Post, citing sources with connections to Gibbs, reported late Tuesday on its Web site that Gibbs was in serious discussions about returning to the team that he led to three Super Bowl titles.
Gibbs, who is 63, coached the Redskins from 1981 to 1992 before resigning to pursue a career with his own NASCAR team. He has been adamant over the years about not wanting to coach again, although he has retained NFL connections. He is a minority owner of the Atlanta Falcons.
The Redskins are seeking a replacement for Spurrier, who resigned last week. They have interviewed former New York Giants coach Jim Fassel, former Minnesota coach Dennis Green and Seattle defensive coordinator Ray Rhodes, who was in town Tuesday.
A source close to Fassel told the Post that he did not believe Fassel would be hired because the club was planning a major surprise. That source added that he believed Gibbs' return would be the surprise.
Calls to the Redskins and to Gibbs' racing team were not returned immediately.
Gibbs' racing teams have been among the most successful in NASCAR, with two Winston Cup championships in the last four seasons. Bobby Labonte took the title in 2000, Tony Stewart in 2002.
Gibbs' oldest son, J.D., is president of Joe Gibbs Racing. The former coach's youngest son, Coy, finished 14th last season in the Busch Series standings.
scoobygang
Footballguy
He was "generally" a guy who liked a power running game to set up the vertical passing game, but he once had Jay Schroeder throw for over 4,000 yds in a season and one of his teams had 3 1000 yard receivers in one year (Art Monk, Gary Clark, and Ricky Sanders). The signature Gibbs play was the "counter-trey" or "counter-gap", an inside running play following two pulling guards.He liked to use a 3rd down back (Joe Washington and Kelvin Bryant at different times) in the passing game. He used Monk as a possession receiver and Clark as an explosive deep threat. He generally kept two blocking TEs (Donnie Warren and Doc Walker) and one receiving TE (Clint Didier).He almost always used a one back set (or ACE for you Madden video gamers out there) as his base set.Dennis Green actually installed Gibbs' offense in Minnesota, despite being identified as a Walsh disciple. The Gibbs style came from Coryell and is the precursor to the "vertical" school of offense still favored in St. Louis, Minnesota, KC, and even Indy.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Maybe they should sign Stephen Davis.
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Talk about left field.Incredible signing, instantly the 'skins become a threat.Gibbs was about good O-line play, which led to everything else being better. But, he sure could get the most out of his QB.Mostly though, I think he's about management. The guy knows how to use people the best way possible. Have to hand it to Snyder, he finally got it right.
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
Joe Washington had a couple of pretty good years under Gibbs. He was certainly a change of pace back from Riggins. This bodes well for Trung, IMO. I believe Gibbs will play to the strengths of his team, until he gets his guys in there. Overall, I think this is great news for Fantasy football and Redskins fans. Bad news for the rest of us in the NFC East.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
He used lots of motion, multiple sets, 2 TEs (or an "H"-back) for basically 4 running plays. He liked to run between the tackles using larger backs -Riggins, Gerald Riggs, etc....Even when he had relatively smallish backs (Ricky Ervins), he'd pound 'em inside.Seems to me like they threw deep a lot - this was NOT a West Coast Offense. They rarely threw to the TE (most were extra O linemen, although Clint Didier would catch a pass now & then).
Rayderr
Footballguy
WTOP, the Washington Area news radio station, is reporting that former Bills Coach Gregg Williams will also be the Def. Cooridnator.
Here's the link
Here's the link
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GreedoShotFirst
Footballguy
Gibbs returns to Redskins; ex-Bill Williams to coach D Jan. 7, 2004By Jay GlazerSportsLine.com Senior WriterTell Jay your opinion! For the second consecutive year, something unthinkable happens in the coaching ranks. High-level Redskins sources told SportsLine.com that Washington Redskins great Joe Gibbs has accepted a deal to become the Redskins new head coach. Terms of the deal were not immediately available, but the sources said he accepted late Tuesday. Gibbs owns a small percentage of the Atlanta Falcons and would have to surrender his shares with the team, but he has already discussed the solution with Falcons owner Arthur Blank. In addition to his acceptance of a deal, Redskins sources also told SportsLine.com that Gibbs has already met with and signed former Bills head coach Gregg Williams to become his new defensive coordinator. Williams was the hottest defensive coordinator on the open market and was previously set to fly to New York on Friday to interview with new Giants coach Tom Coughlin. Last year, the Dallas Cowboys signed Bill Parcells, taking him out of retirement. But Gibbs is a different story. He has been out of coaching since 1992 after leading the Redskins to three Super Bowl titles and then left football completely to join NASCAR. One person close to the situation said Redskins owner Daniel Snyder offered Gibbs a rather hefty sum to return to the sidelines and wanted to make a big splash with such a shocking development in the next day or two. Gibbs made his decision Tuesday, but then moved immediately to construct his staff. It is unclear when the Redskins will make the move official.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
This is the first I've heard, and I don't already know the answers to these questions, but I have to assume:
He told Danny Boy that he had to have FULL control to run the team.
He has to send Pepper Rodgers back to Memphis
That Vinny Cerato should sleep with the fishes
That Bruce Smith should be biopsied then excised.
And, that he MUST get -- in some way -- a top flight, smash mouth RB. Stephen Davis comes to mind, but that is another story. Maybe a trade for Travis Henry if the Bills would bite, Cory Dillon (maybe he could give him the direction he needs), possibly even Kevan Barlow (isn't he a FA?)
Top flight coordinators, he can choose his own staff. Prediction: Gregg Williams goes to the Jets or Redskins as Def. Coordinator and does a super job.This will be interesting.
He told Danny Boy that he had to have FULL control to run the team.
He has to send Pepper Rodgers back to Memphis
That Vinny Cerato should sleep with the fishes
That Bruce Smith should be biopsied then excised.
And, that he MUST get -- in some way -- a top flight, smash mouth RB. Stephen Davis comes to mind, but that is another story. Maybe a trade for Travis Henry if the Bills would bite, Cory Dillon (maybe he could give him the direction he needs), possibly even Kevan Barlow (isn't he a FA?)
Top flight coordinators, he can choose his own staff. Prediction: Gregg Williams goes to the Jets or Redskins as Def. Coordinator and does a super job.This will be interesting.
GreedoShotFirst
Footballguy
link to audio with Mark Maskie of the Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedi...s/010704-2s.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedi...s/010704-2s.htm
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The vertical passing game is what I really remember about Gibbs' offense, and he definitely has the personnel (at least at the skill positions) to run this. Coles can get open down fieild, and Ramsey can get it to him. The oline is all that worries me.
Goat Herders
Footballguy
1. Has anyone mentioned what they are saying here on Austin radio, that Gregg Williams will be Def. Coordinator? If so, cool, but that bares mentioning.2. My Version 2.0 Mock (due later today or tomorrow) has changed as a result of this - Winslow's not going to the 'Skins anymore...HERD
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This should also be a nice signing for the Wash D, for fantasy purposes. Williams likes the "46" defense and is a very aggressive coordinator. Good for sacks and turnovers.
Rayderr
Footballguy
Actually I seem to remember there being a year where they did not allow a single sack. (there was a case of the QB running out of bounds just behind the line of scrimmage and was ruled a sack, but the Redskins appealed that ruling and won.)I'll have to do some research on that, but I do remember what a big deal that run for loss/sack thing was here in DC.
GreedoShotFirst
Footballguy
the 89 Skins were only the second team in history to have three 1,000 recievers in the same season (SD did it with Joiner, Jefferson and Winlsow). He runs a power running game that protects and takes shots deep. Most importantly, he makes his teams fit the talents of his players. Riggins was never a recieving threat, but when Earnest Byner came to Washington in 89 he caught 54 balls for almost 500 yards.
GreedoShotFirst
Footballguy
no team has ever gone through a season without giving up a sack.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
I love being right, but this was a perfect fit so the prediction wasn't out of the blue.Redskins fans: I believe you are going to be very happy with this. Williams, as you remember, was the Titans' Def Coordinator when they began their defensive "dominance". Yep, 46, blitzing and run stopping.
Under Gibbs, the Skins went the route of building through free agency, using later-round draft picks on linemen and defense. Aside from the Desmond Howard fiasco in Gibbs' last year, I can't remember them ever picking an offensive player with their first draft pick (which was usually traded anyway).
Twilight
Footballguy
I think this is going to go a little closer to Vermeil returning to coaching than Parcells. Gibbs is an incredible coach, but hopefully expectations aren't too high his first year. I see Gibbs taking a year to adjust to the game as it is right now, vs. 10 years ago, and, although it is very possible in the P(arity)FL, I'm not really expecting a Playoff run next year.But this is definitely a GREAT hire, and goes to show what a motivated owner can do. I'm not necessarily a Snyder fan, but I would take his trying to win any day of the week over the putz who owns the Niners.
scoobygang
Footballguy
The vertical passing game is what I really remember about Gibbs' offense, and he definitely has the personnel (at least at the skill positions) to run this. Coles can get open down fieild, and Ramsey can get it to him. The oline is all that worries me.
He probably has one of the most talented O-Lines in the league.
Samuels is overrated, but he's very solid run blocker. Jansen is a fringe Pro-Bowl caliber tackle. Randy Thomas is a Pro Bowler at guard. Derrick Dockery was a rookie but has the potential to be a real road grader inside. Physically, he's a beast. They have journeymen at the center position.
The Skins protection problems last year can be traced to Spurrier's schemes and Ramsey's distressing habit of holding onto the ball too long.
And if they commit to the run (and actually run things besides the occassional sprint draw) this o-line can really rough teams up. They have the potential to be really physical.
He probably has one of the most talented O-Lines in the league.
Samuels is overrated, but he's very solid run blocker. Jansen is a fringe Pro-Bowl caliber tackle. Randy Thomas is a Pro Bowler at guard. Derrick Dockery was a rookie but has the potential to be a real road grader inside. Physically, he's a beast. They have journeymen at the center position.
The Skins protection problems last year can be traced to Spurrier's schemes and Ramsey's distressing habit of holding onto the ball too long.
And if they commit to the run (and actually run things besides the occassional sprint draw) this o-line can really rough teams up. They have the potential to be really physical.
Scooby, I see Russ Grimm returning as O-line coach. He's the true Bugel heir.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
He probably has one of the most talented O-Lines in the league.
Samuels is overrated, but he's very solid run blocker. Jansen is a fringe Pro-Bowl caliber tackle. Randy Thomas is a Pro Bowler at guard. Derrick Dockery was a rookie but has the potential to be a real road grader inside. Physically, he's a beast. They have journeymen at the center position.
The Skins protection problems last year can be traced to Spurrier's schemes and Ramsey's distressing habit of holding onto the ball too long.
And if they commit to the run (and actually run things besides the occassional sprint draw) this o-line can really rough teams up. They have the potential to be really physical.
Okay -- I'm not familiar with their oline personnel (just the fantasy guys). Not having watched a lot of skins games, I don't really know first hand how much of their protection problems were due to personnel and how much was due to Spurrier. Sounds like it was almost all Spurrier. What a surprise.
dgreen
Footballguy
scoobygang
Footballguy
It's a possibility. But you know, I'm not convinced that Helton couldn't stay. He had the most NFL experience on the staff, and I'm not sure the problems were his fault.When the Skins started giving up less sacks in the second half of the year (especially with Tim Hasselbeck at QB) someone asked Helton what had changed in the protection schemes. He said, "The ball is getting out of the QBs hand."When Ramsey went from simply immobile to stationary because of his foot problem, he never compensated by getting rid of the ball on time. He's young and let's hope he learns.
jsargos
Footballguy
What Gibbs is going to immediately bring to the Redskins is a maticulous attention to detial, and for a team that lost 6 games by a TD or less that could be huge. As for his long layoff, the impact is going to be greatly lessened by bringing in guys like Gregg Williams. Unlike Spurrier who brought his college staff, Gibbs will surround himself with people who know the pro game. As for his offense, I think there are a lot of pieces in place for him. Ramsey, Coles, Gardener, Jansen (who's going to be happier than a pig in slop), Samuels, Thomas, and Jacobs, are all nice fits. I doubt there will be a move for a power runner right away, Gibbs always worked with what he had, ala Joe Washington, Jamie Morris, Ricky Ervins. Bringing in a couple of blocking TEs will be key.Considering 24 hours ago I was preparing myself for the Ray Rhodes era, I couldn't be happier!
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
This is great news for the Redskins and there fans. Gibbs had an attention to detail and the ability to get the most out of his players which is what the Redskins sorely need.I just hope he is able to put 100% of himself back into this profession after such a long layoff. Coaching in the NFL can take a lot out of a person and he isn't a spring chicken anymore. I think he will do a great job for the skins though and he has a lot of the pieces already in place.(a) An offensive line that is much better than their performance indicated this season. The pieces are in place for this to be not just a good unit, but a dominant one with better schemes.(b) Two gifted, young receivers in Laveranues Coles and Rod Gardner© a talented, young quarterback in Patrick Ramsey(d) a great, young linebacker in LaVar Arrington.(e) a good 'change of pace' running back in Trung Canidate.----I expect the Redskins to bring a 20+ carry per game running back to the fold. Perhaps a guy like Corey Dillon will become the new workhorse for the Skins.EXCITING News! Props to Dan Snyder on making a great decision 
Jason Wood
Zoo York
The big question I think will be who he gets together for his assistants. At first glance I thought of **** Vermeil, who left the NFL for nearly two decades before returning. But a friend pointed out that at least Vermeil was doing college football every week and was still in touch with the game. So I guess what I'm wondering is how plugged in has Gibbs been to the league?That said, a coach of Gibbs stature doesn't forget how to coach, and there really isn't anything being done in the league today that wasn't around in some other form over the last few decades. As an Eagles fan, I'm none too happy to have gone from a division two years ago with Dave Campo, Jim Fassel and Steve Spurrier as opposing coaches to one with Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs and Tom Coughlin. UGH!Cheers to taking a ride on the wayback machine
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
I have a GREAT change-up.Unfortunately, I have no fastball.
scoobygang
Footballguy
LaVar's not a great linebacker yet. He's a great athlete. The 46 should suit guys like Arrington and Trotter, who are aggessive linebackers but not particularly "smart" players (I should point out that LaVar seems quite bright in interviews, he just isn't a heady player).I think Chad Morton is a better change of pace back than Trung Canidate.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
You know it's funny that over the summer, I watched an interview at a celebrity golf tournament with Joe Gibbs and Steve Spurrier standing side by side, the respective past and present of the Redskins coaching staff. Never did it dawn on me that I was actually seeing the past (Spurrier) and future (Gibbs) of the Redskins. For the young guys, I can honestly tell you, Joe Gibbs was GOD wearing a headphone on the sidelines in this town. No coach was better prepared than Gibbs, and no coach made better half-time adjustments than Gibbs. Other than Vince Lombardi, there's no one I'd rather have in the history of the NFL coaching my team. And I'm no Redskin fan. How well I remember the days of Camelot, when the Skins were scoring a ton of points, and that damned insufferable song played in RFK. "Hail to the Redskins.....". I still hate that freakin' song.Why does he come back? It's because football's in his blood; it's what he's always done. Nothing else, not the broadcast booth, not NASCAR, nothing gives them the thrill that being on the sidelines and leading a team to victory gives them. It's not like Gibbs has anything to prove. Joe Gibbs is a Hall of Fame coach. If he comes back, it's because he WANTS to. Now the league is a different one than the one he left. Joe was a master of "hiding" guys on the Injured Reserve list; can't do that anymore. And of course, there's the salary cap. But he'll succeed. And he'll have instant credibility with his players. Three Super Bowl Rings have a tendency to do that sort of thing.
Leo Scanlon
Footballguy
It should be exciting to watch. You know, the Redskins may not do much on the field, but they're the absolute kings of the off-season!
dgreen
Footballguy
I agree. Also, Lavar is a hitter, not a tackler. How many times have we seen him lunge at a runner with his shoulder and his arms at his side? I can't wait to hear him complain about yet another change. It will also be interesting to see what this does for Champ.Something else to mention: I read a couple weeks ago that Jevon Kearse said he would love to play for Williams again.
