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The Redskins are scary (1 Viewer)

timschochet

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Im not a redskins fan, nor a hater. Im a Steeler fan, and have always been indifferent to Washington. But what this Defense pulled off today makes me wonder if we're not looking at the most underrated team in the league. This is one team I would hate to face. How many speed demons do they have? And has there ever been such a physical secondary?

 
Their potential is undeniable, but I'm a bit leery about assuming too much just yet. They're a bit inconsistent just yet, and I'm concerned about their durability. Let's also be honest- Martz is completely stubborn and played into their hands, and Williams called a plays designed to invite him to do just that.

Still, they have as much speed and athleticism as any Redskins defense I can remember, and Sean Taylor is a friggin' wrecking ball this year. He's good for about one to two :thumbdown: hits per game this year. Carter is coming into his own as a 4-3 RDE. McIntosh is flying around, and Fletcher is a perfect addition to the offense to keep everyone in line. Landry should be very good when he settles in. Griffin and Springs look healthy and good. Rogers and Smoot are excellent rotating at CB. They're just solid.

If their veterans (Griffin, Washington, Springs) can stay healthy, I like their chances, but again it's too early to draw any conclusions just yet.

 
Taking the record out of it, and judging solely by what I see on the field, here are my top 5 for the NFC:

1.Dallas

2. Washington

3. NY Giants

4. Green Bay

5. Arizona

I know that's crazy for the NFC east, but I swear they look like the 3 best teams!

 
Their potential is undeniable, but I'm a bit leery about assuming too much just yet. They're a bit inconsistent just yet, and I'm concerned about their durability. Let's also be honest- Martz is completely stubborn and played into their hands, and Williams called a plays designed to invite him to do just that. Still, they have as much speed and athleticism as any Redskins defense I can remember, and Sean Taylor is a friggin' wrecking ball this year. He's good for about one to two :lmao: hits per game this year. Carter is coming into his own as a 4-3 RDE. McIntosh is flying around, and Fletcher is a perfect addition to the offense to keep everyone in line. Landry should be very good when he settles in. Griffin and Springs look healthy and good. Rogers and Smoot are excellent rotating at CB. They're just solid. If their veterans (Griffin, Washington, Springs) can stay healthy, I like their chances, but again it's too early to draw any conclusions just yet.
:thumbdown: It's nice to say that they shut down the best O in the league. But Martz clearly wanted to beat them using his schemes playing his game.I think the Skins can play Dallas well, and should be a good matchup if both remain healthy. I'd like to see it moved to a primtime game later in the year.
 
Their potential is undeniable, but I'm a bit leery about assuming too much just yet. They're a bit inconsistent just yet, and I'm concerned about their durability. Let's also be honest- Martz is completely stubborn and played into their hands, and Williams called a plays designed to invite him to do just that. Still, they have as much speed and athleticism as any Redskins defense I can remember, and Sean Taylor is a friggin' wrecking ball this year. He's good for about one to two :thumbdown: hits per game this year. Carter is coming into his own as a 4-3 RDE. McIntosh is flying around, and Fletcher is a perfect addition to the offense to keep everyone in line. Landry should be very good when he settles in. Griffin and Springs look healthy and good. Rogers and Smoot are excellent rotating at CB. They're just solid. If their veterans (Griffin, Washington, Springs) can stay healthy, I like their chances, but again it's too early to draw any conclusions just yet.
Don't get me wrong, as a Steeler fan I love troy Polamalu, but watching Sean Taylor makes me wonder if we're not looking at what will become the best ever player at this position in the history of the NFL, and no, this is NOT hyperbole...
 
Taking the record out of it, and judging solely by what I see on the field, here are my top 5 for the NFC:1.Dallas2. Washington3. NY Giants4. Green Bay5. ArizonaI know that's crazy for the NFC east, but I swear they look like the 3 best teams!
With Green Bay losing tonight, it's Dallas and then a stew of other teams. People pay too much attention to the last week's performance - people were writing off the Redskins two weeks ago after the Giants came back to beat them in the 2nd half. I agree though that they, the Giants, the Packers, Arizona and probably Tampa and Chicago are in the mix behind Dallas as the best teams in the NFC. It's wide open IMHO, and when you consider that the Redskins have tended to match up well against Dallas the last couple of years, anything can happen.
 
Their potential is undeniable, but I'm a bit leery about assuming too much just yet. They're a bit inconsistent just yet, and I'm concerned about their durability. Let's also be honest- Martz is completely stubborn and played into their hands, and Williams called a plays designed to invite him to do just that. Still, they have as much speed and athleticism as any Redskins defense I can remember, and Sean Taylor is a friggin' wrecking ball this year. He's good for about one to two :thumbup: hits per game this year. Carter is coming into his own as a 4-3 RDE. McIntosh is flying around, and Fletcher is a perfect addition to the offense to keep everyone in line. Landry should be very good when he settles in. Griffin and Springs look healthy and good. Rogers and Smoot are excellent rotating at CB. They're just solid. If their veterans (Griffin, Washington, Springs) can stay healthy, I like their chances, but again it's too early to draw any conclusions just yet.
Don't get me wrong, as a Steeler fan I love troy Polamalu, but watching Sean Taylor makes me wonder if we're not looking at what will become the best ever player at this position in the history of the NFL, and no, this is NOT hyperbole...
I'm very eager to watch Taylor and Landry over the next few years.
 
Their potential is undeniable, but I'm a bit leery about assuming too much just yet. They're a bit inconsistent just yet, and I'm concerned about their durability. Let's also be honest- Martz is completely stubborn and played into their hands, and Williams called a plays designed to invite him to do just that.

Still, they have as much speed and athleticism as any Redskins defense I can remember, and Sean Taylor is a friggin' wrecking ball this year. He's good for about one to two :thumbup: hits per game this year. Carter is coming into his own as a 4-3 RDE. McIntosh is flying around, and Fletcher is a perfect addition to the offense to keep everyone in line. Landry should be very good when he settles in. Griffin and Springs look healthy and good. Rogers and Smoot are excellent rotating at CB. They're just solid.

If their veterans (Griffin, Washington, Springs) can stay healthy, I like their chances, but again it's too early to draw any conclusions just yet.
Don't get me wrong, as a Steeler fan I love troy Polamalu, but watching Sean Taylor makes me wonder if we're not looking at what will become the best ever player at this position in the history of the NFL, and no, this is NOT hyperbole...
His combination of size and athleticism is probably unmatched at FS. He's essentially Champ Bailey in Derrick Brooks' body with Ronnie Lott's love of collision. It's crazy to watch, and no that's not hyperbole either. The difference this year is that the additions to and health of the rest of the defense have enabled the team to reduce his run support responsibilities and to roam around more in a true FS/centerfield role which uses his speed and athleticism with less fear of falling victim to biting too quickly on play action. They're finally fully playing to his strengths and turning him loose.

 
Taking the record out of it, and judging solely by what I see on the field, here are my top 5 for the NFC:1.Dallas2. Washington3. NY Giants4. Green Bay5. ArizonaI know that's crazy for the NFC east, but I swear they look like the 3 best teams!
With Green Bay losing tonight, it's Dallas and then a stew of other teams. People pay too much attention to the last week's performance - people were writing off the Redskins two weeks ago after the Giants came back to beat them in the 2nd half. I agree though that they, the Giants, the Packers, Arizona and probably Tampa and Chicago are in the mix behind Dallas as the best teams in the NFC. It's wide open IMHO, and when you consider that the Redskins have tended to match up well against Dallas the last couple of years, anything can happen.
:thumbup: I rank GB above NY, they Giants D still seems a little up and Down. You could have it right though!!, the dark horse there is Arizona, I dont know if they are for real or not, but I think they are the Best team in the NFC west right now.
 
Taking the record out of it, and judging solely by what I see on the field, here are my top 5 for the NFC:1.Dallas2. Washington3. NY Giants4. Green Bay5. ArizonaI know that's crazy for the NFC east, but I swear they look like the 3 best teams!
With Green Bay losing tonight, it's Dallas and then a stew of other teams. People pay too much attention to the last week's performance - people were writing off the Redskins two weeks ago after the Giants came back to beat them in the 2nd half. I agree though that they, the Giants, the Packers, Arizona and probably Tampa and Chicago are in the mix behind Dallas as the best teams in the NFC. It's wide open IMHO, and when you consider that the Redskins have tended to match up well against Dallas the last couple of years, anything can happen.
:thumbup: I rank GB above NY, they Giants D still seems a little up and Down. You could have it right though!!, the dark horse there is Arizona, I dont know if they are for real or not, but I think they are the Best team in the NFC west right now.
I rank Arizona just above Seattle, but you could easily witch them. The Seahawks are a pretty good team who ran into a buzzsaw today. Same for Tampa Bay.
 
Taking the record out of it, and judging solely by what I see on the field, here are my top 5 for the NFC:1.Dallas2. Washington3. NY Giants4. Green Bay5. ArizonaI know that's crazy for the NFC east, but I swear they look like the 3 best teams!
With Green Bay losing tonight, it's Dallas and then a stew of other teams. People pay too much attention to the last week's performance - people were writing off the Redskins two weeks ago after the Giants came back to beat them in the 2nd half. I agree though that they, the Giants, the Packers, Arizona and probably Tampa and Chicago are in the mix behind Dallas as the best teams in the NFC. It's wide open IMHO, and when you consider that the Redskins have tended to match up well against Dallas the last couple of years, anything can happen.
:goodposting: I rank GB above NY, they Giants D still seems a little up and Down. You could have it right though!!, the dark horse there is Arizona, I dont know if they are for real or not, but I think they are the Best team in the NFC west right now.
Also, the reason I say the Giants are aove GB is their running game. With Jacobs back alongside Ward, we're looking at what might be one of the best running games in all of football. The Packers don't have that, and will suffer when the weather gets colder.
 
Ward is very impressive, have to give that guy his props.

Now back to the Redskins :popcorn: They still can be run on and it kind of shocks me teams don't do it more. Brian Westbrook was ripping off chunks of yards against the Skins, but Andy Reid didn't stick with it. The Giants did just enough of it (though it was more passing on 3rd and long) to get the win. Even today, Kevin Jones was running WELL in the beginning of the 2nd half and Martz couldn't stick with it. They're not as bad against the run as last year, but I still think that's the weak spot. They are much faster and it shows with the turnovers created compared to last year and the better pass rush.

Too inconsistent still for my likings, but as Jason Campbell improves, so does the team. Hail!

 
My main league scores through the superbowl. I have Portis, Moss & Wash. defense. I am wondering if I should pick up Sellers after todays events ? Betts seems to be the odd man out. Sellers at 6'3" and 230 seems like a decent goal line back. Thoughts ?

 
My main league scores through the superbowl. I have Portis, Moss & Wash. defense. I am wondering if I should pick up Sellers after todays events ? Betts seems to be the odd man out. Sellers at 6'3" and 230 seems like a decent goal line back. Thoughts ?
Caveman Sellers hasn't seen 230 since juinor high. :popcorn:He's listed at 284 on nfl.com, and if you've seen him, it wouldn't surprise you. I'm not sure he's QUITE that big, but I'd say he's an easy 260.I wouldn't rely on him for fantasy points (two many other options), but he's fun to watch. In a different era, he would have been rushing for a thousand yards every year.
 
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Taking the record out of it, and judging solely by what I see on the field, here are my top 5 for the NFC:1.Dallas2. Washington3. NY Giants4. Green Bay5. ArizonaI know that's crazy for the NFC east, but I swear they look like the 3 best teams!
You must not have seen the Packers beat the Giants then.
 
Taking the record out of it, and judging solely by what I see on the field, here are my top 5 for the NFC:1.Dallas2. Washington3. NY Giants4. Green Bay5. ArizonaI know that's crazy for the NFC east, but I swear they look like the 3 best teams!
You must not have seen the Packers beat the Giants then.
Without a doubt does that need to be considered, however after starting of 0-2 the Giants have reeled off 3 straight, 2 of which were on the road against divison rivals. I am not saying they need to be ahead of green bay but they are awfully close. You can see the defense is still coming into their own and Ross is catching on rather quickly. I think he bolsters up the secondary just enough to give Eli every opportunity to win the ball game. The defense showed up and played another solid game today and I think it will continue.
 
Andre Carter has been OUTSTANDING. That Skins desperately needed a pass rush, and he's giving it to them. Washington could be one of those teams that makes a lot of noise come playoff time. They just seem to have great depth and balance on both sides of the ball.

 
Taking the record out of it, and judging solely by what I see on the field, here are my top 5 for the NFC:1.Dallas2. Washington3. NY Giants4. Green Bay5. ArizonaI know that's crazy for the NFC east, but I swear they look like the 3 best teams!
You must not have seen the Packers beat the Giants then.
One of the common mistakes made by fans in terms of ranking teams is putting too much value on how they do head to head. I am not a Giants fan or a Packer fan, but so far, one team has proven they can run the ball, which remains (along with stopping the run) the key ingredient to winning in the NFL on a consistent basis. Back to topic: Someone wrote that the Redskins can't stop the run. The redskins, it seems to me, aren't selling out to stop the run. They're not playing the safties up to the line of scrimmage against passing teams. When they face a reunning team, they probably will. I sweasr this looks to me like the best defense in football. Their offense in ordinary but workmanlike. As a Steeler faqn, this team reminds me very much of the Cowher teams of the 90's= very physical, not much QB play, able to do what it wants on D. Like those Steeler teams, because Washington plays in the inferior conference at the present time I can easily see the Redskins in the NFC Championship game or even the Superbowl.
 
Taking the record out of it, and judging solely by what I see on the field, here are my top 5 for the NFC:1.Dallas2. Washington3. NY Giants4. Green Bay5. ArizonaI know that's crazy for the NFC east, but I swear they look like the 3 best teams!
You must not have seen the Packers beat the Giants then.
One of the common mistakes made by fans in terms of ranking teams is putting too much value on how they do head to head. I am not a Giants fan or a Packer fan, but so far, one team has proven they can run the ball, which remains (along with stopping the run) the key ingredient to winning in the NFL on a consistent basis. Back to topic: Someone wrote that the Redskins can't stop the run. The redskins, it seems to me, aren't selling out to stop the run. They're not playing the safties up to the line of scrimmage against passing teams. When they face a reunning team, they probably will. I sweasr this looks to me like the best defense in football. Their offense in ordinary but workmanlike. As a Steeler faqn, this team reminds me very much of the Cowher teams of the 90's= very physical, not much QB play, able to do what it wants on D. Like those Steeler teams, because Washington plays in the inferior conference at the present time I can easily see the Redskins in the NFC Championship game or even the Superbowl.
as a die hard redskins fan (see name) I strongly feel the redskins are good, but its going to be a tough year. We've got one of the hardest schedule's in football, We've got green bay, arizona, new england, dallas twice, tampa bay, the giants, and chicago left... Not to mention Philly, who I still think can do some things. And we dont have great depth beyond the first string on both sides of the ball. We're weak against the run, although with Laundry coming up to put 8 men in the box helps combat that. Our offense is inconsistant, and a good defense like the Giants showed that. The lions Defense blows, and thats the only reason why we could sustain long drives as we did. I live in chicago, so we didnt get that game on TV so i really cant judge if they looked good or not. But I will say this, If we can beat Green Bay at Green Bay, especially since they're coming off of a loss.. then I will say we're for real... GO SKINS!
 
Actually I wasn't aware of the Redskins schedule when I started this post. It does look difficult. Still, no one in the NFC's going to do much better than 11-5, not even Dallas. If Washington is still playing in January (and I think this will happen) they are not a team I would want to face...

 
As a Redskin fan I'm pleasantly surprised by their defensive play this year (except in the second half against the Giants). But I see 2 problems with their D. They still do not generate enough pass rush with their front 4 (don't be fooled by the Lions game). And they lack depth.

That being said, their LB play and DB play is very improved, much of which can be attributed to McIntosh, Taylor, and to a lesser extent Landry. McIntosh is all over the field, usually where he should be and often leveling someone. And Sean Taylor is the real deal. People notice his freight train hits and miss the more important thing ---- he covers an incredible amount of ground during the game. He's quite adept at pass coverage, makes receivers afraid on mid-range patterns, and stuffs running plays as well. I've never seen a Redskin cover so much ground so effectively.

And when he hits someone, they do not forget it.

 
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My main league scores through the superbowl. I have Portis, Moss & Wash. defense. I am wondering if I should pick up Sellers after todays events ? Betts seems to be the odd man out. Sellers at 6'3" and 230 seems like a decent goal line back. Thoughts ?
Try 6'3" and 280.
 
Back to topic: Someone wrote that the Redskins can't stop the run. The redskins, it seems to me, aren't selling out to stop the run. They're not playing the safties up to the line of scrimmage against passing teams. When they face a reunning team, they probably will. I sweasr this looks to me like the best defense in football. Their offense in ordinary but workmanlike. As a Steeler faqn, this team reminds me very much of the Cowher teams of the 90's= very physical, not much QB play, able to do what it wants on D. Like those Steeler teams, because Washington plays in the inferior conference at the present time I can easily see the Redskins in the NFC Championship game or even the Superbowl.
You've obviously been watching very carefully because I think you've hit on a major difference in their approach on defense from last year. They were plagued by big plays that opposing offenses got on them last year. It was due to a variety of factors, not least of which was diminished talent due to injuries, but they've made a concerted effort to keep the very rangy and athletic Taylor deep, and Landry too oftentimes. The result has been that teams rarely throw to the deep middle of the field, and frankly even deep passes down the sidelines have been greatly reduced. In short, Taylor simply has not been tested deep. I found a quote from Roy Williams about yesterday's game (which was exceptional because they didn't call any blitzes against Martz' offense) last night which had him saying that they kept both of the safeties, Landry and Taylor, about 30 yards deep on every play which forced the Lions away from deep passes. There's a lot of talk in the Washington papers today about how Williams beat Martz by doing what Martz fails to do which is adapt to his opponent and stay disciplined and stick with what's working. Williams dialed back his blitzes and let the front four provide the pressure, which they did an excellent job of. Williams is a defensive innovator like Martz is an offensive innovator, so he's not necessarily known for sticking with a vanilla scheme even when it works. If he can replicate that kind of discipline throughout the season, then the team should do well.
 
Their potential is undeniable, but I'm a bit leery about assuming too much just yet. They're a bit inconsistent just yet, and I'm concerned about their durability. Let's also be honest- Martz is completely stubborn and played into their hands, and Williams called a plays designed to invite him to do just that. Still, they have as much speed and athleticism as any Redskins defense I can remember, and Sean Taylor is a friggin' wrecking ball this year. He's good for about one to two :bs: hits per game this year. Carter is coming into his own as a 4-3 RDE. McIntosh is flying around, and Fletcher is a perfect addition to the offense to keep everyone in line. Landry should be very good when he settles in. Griffin and Springs look healthy and good. Rogers and Smoot are excellent rotating at CB. They're just solid. If their veterans (Griffin, Washington, Springs) can stay healthy, I like their chances, but again it's too early to draw any conclusions just yet.
Yeah, yet again Williams has a D doing well it's not that surprising but it sure is impressive. I think the Fletcher addition has brought everything together for the team and for Williams to have a field general out there.Martz made some grave mistakes playing another Coryell disciple in Gibbs. With Saunders benefitting from years of Vermeil's experience, this Skins team couldn't have been more prepared for Martz's O.
 
They play the Packers this week.

Do you think the Redskins defense is prepared to stop the quick slant passes of the McCarthy offense?

 
They play the Packers this week.Do you think the Redskins defense is prepared to stop the quick slant passes of the McCarthy offense?
The 'Skins CB's are at their best in press coverage (Rogers is clueless in zone), and the LB's are quick and mobile, so they should be ok.
 
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They play the Packers this week.Do you think the Redskins defense is prepared to stop the quick slant passes of the McCarthy offense?
The 'Skins CB's are at their best in press coverage (Rogers is clueless in zone), and the LB's are quick and mobile, so they should be ok.
A bit off topic, but I am surprised how many are leaving SEA and TB off their lists of the NFC's top 5. They both were beaten soundly last week, but by two of the AFC's top 3, which are a notch or more above anything the NFC has to offer. 1. DAL2. GB3. SEA4. WAS5. TB
 

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