The Republican Convention: Charlotte, Jax, White House... (1 Viewer)

[johnnycakes]

Gingrich, Rush, Beck, Hannity, Palin, Trump, Huckabee, Levin.....not exactly a "nothingburger" lineup in regards to the Republican Party at the time...Romney even joked about it on the campaign trail.  Polls consistently showed that a high number of Republicans doubted Obamas citizenship...... 

In regards to 3...........calling someone a murder and head of crime family consistently is very bad character attacks.

Biden is being called a Socialist. Hilllary was called a Socialist.  I'd have no problem if Democrats gave up the "Facist" attack...if Republicans did so in regards to Democratic Politicians don't self-identify as Socialists.  

Like President Harry Truman said, "Socialism is the epithet they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years … Socialism is what they called Social Security … Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people."

 

[tri-man 47]

Crazy-scary then what? A Biden presidency that believes in locking up people of color at exuberant rates? A Biden presidency that will raise taxes on all Americans? A Biden presidency is a surge to the left? A Biden presidency calls a third of Americans racist? The democrats are great at branding. Keep up the good work  

Biden has stated that he will pursue tax increases on corporations and those making over $400,000.  Get your facts straight.

Our country has achieved success under both Dems and Reps.  The Tea Party didn't swing us hard right.  Bernie and AOC won't swing us hard left.  We'll be fine.  But let's get someone in office who is competent, coherent, compassionate, and dedicated to serving the American people rather than himself.

 

[KChusker]

Gingrich, Rush, Beck, Hannity, Palin, Trump, Huckabee, Levin.....not exactly a "nothingburger" lineup in regards to the Republican Party at the time...Romney even joked about it on the campaign trail.  Polls consistently showed that a high number of Republicans doubted Obamas citizenship...... 

In regards to 3...........calling someone a murder and head of crime family consistently is very bad character attacks.

Biden is being called a Socialist. Hilllary was called a Socialist.  I'd have no problem if Democrats gave up the "Facist" attack...if Republicans did so in regards to Democratic Politicians don't self-identify as Socialists.  

1. Romney didn't do jack####--call him a slaveholder all you want. It's all your playbook has but it doesn't change reality: Romney was not a birther. 

Was Trump even a Republican then? Certainly not a face in politics

Gingrich, Hannity, Beck, Palin--yes I agree. Huckabee did no such thing. He made a gaffe on Kenya vs Indonesia and recanted immediately, and I don't give a damn about polls. They say all kinds of dumb ####:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/10/barack-obama-ranked-better-president-than-george-w/

2. I am aware, and I don't particularly care about what fringe wackos have to say, and any attack on the Clintons' corruption isn't linking them to murders

3. Umm no: Biden is not a socialist. Hillary is not a socialist. The Democratic Party is absolutely drifting towards socialism. All of those things can be true and be attacked

Like President Harry Truman said, "Socialism is the epithet they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years … Socialism is what they called Social Security … Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people."

I have to thank you for this. My mom is an extremely moderate to even slightly liberal Republican. She escaped an unstable prog utopia of Vietnam as a little girl and became an immediate Republican. As time passed, she has come to outright hate Republican politicians; but thanks to beliefs like this from people who want to turn America into Vietnam who wear that ugly label proudly, she only votes R year after year. So I guess I have to say a thank you for ignorance of history and stupidity and all the Republican voters it creates and all the races it has won over the last 30 years in Florida where those Cubans come fleeing in box built rafts from prog heaven, in Orange County (pre Trump) where the people of Little Saigon so ungratefully turn away the gifts bestowed upon their native land

Biden has stated that he will pursue tax increases on corporations and those making over $400,000.  Get your facts straight.

Our country has achieved success under both Dems and Reps.  The Tea Party didn't swing us hard right.  Bernie and AOC won't swing us hard left.  We'll be fine.  But let's get someone in office who is competent, coherent, compassionate, and dedicated to serving the American people rather than himself.

Bulll####:

https://www.atr.org/5-reasons-why-joe-biden-s-claim-about-no-new-taxes-under-400000-false?amp

Taxing the rich never means taxing just the rich and dA OnE PeRcEnT already pay 40% of federal income taxes--more than the bottom 90% combined. There is only so much you can milk from a group you are already milking the #### out of before you have to move below

The second part is something you should say to 2012 Biden--you know the man who said Mitt Romney would sell black people into slavery?

Won't dispute Trump's lack of competence, dedication, etc and not planning to vote for him

 

[Thunderlips]

1. Romney didn't do jack####--call him a slaveholder all you want. It's all your playbook has but it doesn't change reality: Romney was not a birther. 

Was Trump even a Republican then? Certainly not a face in politics

Gingrich, Hannity, Beck, Palin--yes I agree. Huckabee did no such thing. He made a gaffe on Kenya vs Indonesia and recanted immediately, and I don't give a damn about polls. They say all kinds of dumb ####:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/10/barack-obama-ranked-better-president-than-george-w/

2. I am aware, and I don't particularly care about what fringe wackos have to say, and any attack on the Clintons' corruption isn't linking them to murders

3. Umm no: Biden is not a socialist. Hillary is not a socialist. The Democratic Party is absolutely drifting towards socialism. All of those things can be true and be attacked

I have to thank you for this. My mom is an extremely moderate to even slightly liberal Republican. She escaped an unstable prog utopia of Vietnam as a little girl and became an immediate Republican. As time passed, she has come to outright hate Republican politicians; but thanks to beliefs like this from people who want to turn America into Vietnam who wear that ugly label proudly, she only votes R year after year. So I guess I have to say a thank you for ignorance of history and stupidity and all the Republican voters it creates and all the races it has won over the last 30 years in Florida where those Cubans come fleeing in box built rafts from prog heaven, in Orange County (pre Trump) where the people of Little Saigon so ungratefully turn away the gifts bestowed upon their native land

Bulll####:

https://www.atr.org/5-reasons-why-joe-biden-s-claim-about-no-new-taxes-under-400000-false?amp

Taxing the rich never means taxing just the rich and dA OnE PeRcEnT already pay 40% of federal income taxes--more than the bottom 90% combined. There is only so much you can milk from a group you are already milking the #### out of before you have to move below

The second part is something you should say to 2012 Biden--you know the man who said Mitt Romney would sell black people into slavery?

Won't dispute Trump's lack of competence, dedication, etc and not planning to vote for him

A Party that threw away not once...but twice the Presidential aspirations of the Super Socialist himself, Bernie Sanders...... is drifting towards socialism?  They've elected (by your words) a person noone in their right minds would call a Socialist in Obama in 08 and 12, a person no one in their right minds would call a Socialist in Hillary 16 and the VP of said previous  non Socialist and non-Socialist himself in Biden in 2020.  Non Socialist Bill Clinton was elected in 1992. and 1996.  I'm pretty sure that Al Gore and John Kerry weren't Socialists in 2000 and 2004.  That's almost 30 years of the top of the ticket of the (supposed) People's Party being a non-Socialist............  yeah, I guess glaciers drift too.

The threading the needle people think the "Socialists" in this country are doing by basically making unelectable two of the biggest Progs/Socialists in the last 30 years (Sanders and Warren) is laughable.   "Socialist" is a word that Conservatives/Republicans use as a whistle.  It's a laser sight on every Democratic candidate; that all Republicans don't mind clicking on them.  If you don't mind them using that....you shouldn't mind the Facist/Nazi/Racist label they get stuck.  You should just chalk it up to politics.  

 

[KChusker]

A Party that threw away not once...but twice the Presidential aspirations of the Super Socialist himself, Bernie Sanders...... is drifting towards socialism?  They've elected (by your words) a person noone in their right minds would call a Socialist in Obama in 08 and 12, a person no one in their right minds would call a Socialist in Hillary 16 and the VP of said previous  non Socialist and non-Socialist himself in Biden in 2020.  Non Socialist Bill Clinton was elected in 1992. and 1996.  I'm pretty sure that Al Gore and John Kerry weren't Socialists in 2000 and 2004.  That's almost 30 years of the top of the ticket of the (supposed) People's Party being a non-Socialist............  yeah, I guess glaciers drift too.

The threading the needle people think the "Socialists" in this country are doing by basically making unelectable two of the biggest Progs/Socialists in the last 30 years (Sanders and Warren) is laughable.   "Socialist" is a word that Conservatives/Republicans use as a whistle.  It's a laser sight on every Democratic candidate; that all Republicans don't mind clicking on them.  If you don't mind them using that....you shouldn't mind the Facist/Nazi/Racist label they get stuck.  You should just chalk it up to politics.  

You're an actual dunce if you don't think the Bernie/Aoc/Omar types aren't going to continue to have their voices rise:

From the exit polls for the Dem primaries, Biden won off suburban moderate whites (Gen X mainly), blacks and white blue collar workers (boomers). Bernie did well among Asians, Hispanics and millennials/gen Z (groups whose representation will continue to rise in relation to the former section)

Democrats are moving left because the country--and their base--is moving left: Obama ran well to the left of where Clinton did, and today Biden runs to the left of where Obama did.

Even my friends who are moderate Dems expect the Bernie wing to be just getting started

So we have a party with 35-45% of its voters choosing socialists these last two cycles with ideas that would have been laughed off the stage just a decade ago--admitted by Bernie Sanders himself when he said he has pushed ideas into the mainstream that were never considered even 8 years ago--all built on a rock solid and quickly growing coalition competing against a stagnant, flimsy one slightly shrinking in comparison

And even beyond that: tally up all the Congressmen and women who wholeheartedly backed Bernie and Warren--and the Senators, not to mention Bernie and Warren themselves.

Then find the racist fascist Republicans in federal office: umm Steve King maybe. The guy who the establishment just BTFOd in the primaries. Likely Marjorie Greene until the establishment sends her packing too in a couple years. 

So 1.

What about besides him? Well there was David Duke winning the 1991 LA gubernatorial primary and having his funding pulled, being disavowed by the RNC with many, many national and state level Republicans endorsing him Dem opponent. 

On a far less complex level: Obama and Biden are absolutely not socialists, but they are FAAAAAARRRRR closer to Bernie/AOC than Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are to Adolf Hitler. It is not even in the same realm in terms of margin. Hell Romney and Ryan are probably even closer to AOC/Bernie than they are to Hitler.

So yes--drifting towards socialism is an accurate term for a leftward moving Democratic Party--and no, it isn't in the same universe as calling John McCain a Nazi George Wallace whatever you race baiters say

Gonna be quite funny in 4 years when you and your ilk call Nikki Haley and Tim Scott genocidal Nazi Klansmen but say calling Kamala or AOC "socialist" is unfair fear mongering and sexist--like clockwork

 

[Mile High]

1.  "I saw the real numbers, and we had a much larger audience than Sleepy Joe!  What you are looking at are fake numbers!"

We have our winner. 

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Wow! Despite the Democrats views across TV and online lie (Con!), we had 147.9 million, the Republican National Convention blew the Democrat National Convention AWAY. Not even close! Just like their lies on Russia, Football (PLAY!) and everything else! NOVEMBER 3rd

 

[Joe Summer]

Trump is referring to a tweet by Ronna McDaniel of the RNC...

...which referenced a report on Fox News...

...which was sourced from information provided by the RNC.

 

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Wow! Despite the Democrats views across TV and online lie (Con!), we had 147.9 million, the Republican National Convention blew the Democrat National Convention AWAY. Not even close! Just like their lies on Russia, Football (PLAY!) and everything else! NOVEMBER 3rd

Lies on football?

 

[The Gator]

I am expecting 1 (or more) of 3 responses:

1.  "I saw the real numbers, and we had a much larger audience than Sleepy Joe!  What you are looking at are fake numbers!"

2.  "Those numbers only count households, not people.  We had tremendous support from house parties across the country where people gathered to watch.  And, boats.  I don't think those numbers include the people watching on boats.  You would not believe how many boats we have - its a big number!"

3.  "Person, woman, man, camera, TV"

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

We had FAR more people (many millions) watching us at the RNC than did Sleepy Joe and the DNC, and yet an ad just ran saying the opposite. This is what we’re up against. Lies. But we will WIN!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Lies on football?

The Jets will be good this year.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Lies on football?

The Jets will be good this year.

Goodell also held a conference call with reporters on Tuesday afternoon. On the call, he was asked by CNBC if teams that do allow fans have a competitive advantage over opponents who will start the year without attendance.

“We do not believe it’s a competitive advantage,” Goodell said on the call

 

[KChusker]

A Party that threw away not once...but twice the Presidential aspirations of the Super Socialist himself, Bernie Sanders...... is drifting towards socialism?  They've elected (by your words) a person noone in their right minds would call a Socialist in Obama in 08 and 12, a person no one in their right minds would call a Socialist in Hillary 16 and the VP of said previous  non Socialist and non-Socialist himself in Biden in 2020.  Non Socialist Bill Clinton was elected in 1992. and 1996.  I'm pretty sure that Al Gore and John Kerry weren't Socialists in 2000 and 2004.  That's almost 30 years of the top of the ticket of the (supposed) People's Party being a non-Socialist............  yeah, I guess glaciers drift too.

The threading the needle people think the "Socialists" in this country are doing by basically making unelectable two of the biggest Progs/Socialists in the last 30 years (Sanders and Warren) is laughable.   "Socialist" is a word that Conservatives/Republicans use as a whistle.  It's a laser sight on every Democratic candidate; that all Republicans don't mind clicking on them.  If you don't mind them using that....you shouldn't mind the Facist/Nazi/Racist label they get stuck.  You should just chalk it up to politics.  

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/msnbcs-melissa-harris-perry-apologises-after-mocking-mitt-romneys-adopted-black-grandson-9032718.html

Making fun of Mitt Romney's adopted black grandson and calling him a token=calling a large section of the Democratic Party socialists in your deranged, depraved world view

I guess that's what the party of "When they go low, we go high" has come to: rules for thee, not for me

Honestly I am glad I looked into the 2008 and 2012 campaigns. I was actually thinking about giving these monsters my vote

 

[Joe Summer]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/msnbcs-melissa-harris-perry-apologises-after-mocking-mitt-romneys-adopted-black-grandson-9032718.html

Making fun of Mitt Romney's adopted black grandson and calling him a token=calling a large section of the Democratic Party socialists in your deranged, depraved world view

I guess that's what the party of "When they go low, we go high" has come to: rules for thee, not for me

Honestly I am glad I looked into the 2008 and 2012 campaigns. I was actually thinking about giving these monsters my vote

"I was going to vote Democrat until I found out that a media member said something that doesn't usually offend Trump supporters" (not an exact quote) doesn't sound like a very solid argument in Trump's favor.

 

[[scooter]]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/msnbcs-melissa-harris-perry-apologises-after-mocking-mitt-romneys-adopted-black-grandson-9032718.html

Making fun of Mitt Romney's adopted black grandson and calling him a token=calling a large section of the Democratic Party socialists in your deranged, depraved world view

I guess that's what the party of "When they go low, we go high" has come to: rules for thee, not for me

Honestly I am glad I looked into the 2008 and 2012 campaigns. I was actually thinking about giving these monsters my vote

"I was going to vote Democrat until I found out that a media member said something that doesn't usually offend Trump supporters" (not an exact quote) doesn't sound like a very solid argument in Trump's favor.

Based on the fact that A) the incident happened six years ago, and B) the post has nothing to do with the thread topic, I'd say there's a strong likelihood that he wasn't attempting to make an argument at all.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/msnbcs-melissa-harris-perry-apologises-after-mocking-mitt-romneys-adopted-black-grandson-9032718.html

Making fun of Mitt Romney's adopted black grandson and calling him a token=calling a large section of the Democratic Party socialists in your deranged, depraved world view

I guess that's what the party of "When they go low, we go high" has come to: rules for thee, not for me

Honestly I am glad I looked into the 2008 and 2012 campaigns. I was actually thinking about giving these monsters my vote

"I was going to vote Democrat until I found out that a media member said something that doesn't usually offend Trump supporters" (not an exact quote) doesn't sound like a very solid argument in Trump's favor.

Based on the fact that A) the incident happened six years ago, and B) the post has nothing to do with the thread topic, I'd say there's a strong likelihood that he wasn't attempting to make an argument at all.

giving these monsters my vote

dead giveaway

 

[KChusker]

"I was going to vote Democrat until I found out that a media member said something that doesn't usually offend Trump supporters" (not an exact quote) doesn't sound like a very solid argument in Trump's favor.

I am not voting for Trump either Jesus Christ how many times does it need to be said

 

[KChusker]

"I was going to vote Democrat until I found out that a media member said something that doesn't usually offend Trump supporters" (not an exact quote) doesn't sound like a very solid argument in Trump's favor.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/6th-graders-asked-to-compare-bush-hitler/

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/doug-heye/2011/10/06/celebs-should-avoid-the-hitler-president-comparison-be-it-bush-or-obama  :

Comedian and actress Janeane Garofalo was a constant critic of Bush, once referring to the Bush administration as the "43rd Reich."
Actor David Clennon, of the television series The Agency and Ghost Whisperer,said, "I'm not comparing Bush to Adolf Hitler—because George Bush, for one thing, is not as smart as Adolf Hitler. And secondly George Bush has much more power than Adolf Hitler ever had."

Following the 2004 elections, singer Linda Ronstadt attacked not only Bush, but all newly-elected Republicans, saying, "Now we've got a new bunch of Hitlers."
Even universally beloved crooner Tony Bennett (full disclosure: I have tickets to see Bennett perform next week) has gotten into the act, blaming the United States for the attack on 9/11, telling Howard Stern last week, "But who are the terrorists? Are we the terrorists or are they the terrorists? ... They flew the plane in, but we caused it."
Bennett is currently selling a lot more records than Williams—his Duets II album is the No. 1 selling album in the nation—but Bennett's comments barely caused a ripple compared to Williams's equally bone-headed words.
Celebrity comparisons of Republicans and Hitler, however, are not merely limited to the occasional offhand hateful comment. Often these comparisons have been pre-planned multi-media attacks.

During 2004's Ozzfest tour, Black Sabbath's performance of the song "War Pigs" included an image of President Bush with a clown nose, appearing with a who's who of warmongers, including Hitler. While use of the images eventually stopped, an Ozzfest official at the time said that the images were not removed due to complaints, but because they "steered attention away from Black Sabbath's performance."

McCain:

During the 2008 elections, Madonna used the appropriately-titled song "Get Stupid" to display images of Sen. John McCain alongside Hitler and Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe, while showing Obama alongside Mahatma Gandhi and John Lennon.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html

^John McCain called George Wallace and connected to the Birmingham city Church bombing even after this: https://youtu.be/JIjenjANqAk,

Romney:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-mormon/romney-slams-sharpton-for-bigoted-comment-idUSN0939467520070510

“Sharpton, a civil rights leader, said during a New York debate on faith on Monday that “those that really believe in God” would defeat Romney, a Mormon, in the 2008 race for the White House.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlaCgnNsOn8

^Biden saying Mitt Romney will sell black people into slavery even after this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91PKWt9dLKA

I was considering voting for Biden until I looked into 2008 and 2012 and found all this. I was never voting down ballot Democratic

Overall: Biden lost my vote when he called Mitt Romney a slave holder

 

[KChusker]

Based on the fact that A) the incident happened six years ago, and B) the post has nothing to do with the thread topic, I'd say there's a strong likelihood that he wasn't attempting to make an argument at all.

The argument started when a previous poster said Republicans played dirty by calling the Democrats as a party drifting towards socialism (which they are) and said if I am fine with that then having any candidate I (an Asian American) like--no matter how genteel, polite and above the fray they are--called a Nazi, Klansman, cult worshipping segregationist and have their grandchildren mocked for their race is 100% ok

 

[KChusker]

dead giveaway

I AM NOT VOTING FOR TRUMP.  I didn't vote for him in 2016 and won't vote for him in 2020

Get that through your head before making any new posts

 

[KChusker]

"I was going to vote Democrat until I found out that a media member said something that doesn't usually offend Trump supporters" (not an exact quote) doesn't sound like a very solid argument in Trump's favor.

That's because I am not a Trump supporter (but I would disagree that most Trump supporters are racists). I hate the man and he was my 16th pick among 2016 candidates out of 16.

The candidates I wanted tried to stay genteel and above the fray even as Democrats called their religion an unAmerican cult and said they were fascist Grand Wizards who wanted to reinstate slavery and admired George Wallace. Trump got down to and below the levels Demcorats live at

 

[tymarsas]

 have their grandchildren mocked for their race is 100% ok

I don't think anyone is making that argument... at least I hope nobody is making that argument.

There is a difference between having a debate about whether the Democratic party is becoming more socialist and using the term "socialist" as a pejorative. I think the argument was more about the latter. Both sides throw around those terms (racist, fascist, nazi, socialist, marxist, etc) way too loosely and it's wrong regardless of what side they are on.

 

[KChusker]

I don't think anyone is making that argument... at least I hope nobody is making that argument.

There is a difference between having a debate about whether the Democratic party is becoming more socialist and using the term "socialist" as a pejorative. I think the argument was more about the latter. Both sides throw around those terms (racist, fascist, nazi, socialist, marxist, etc) way too loosely and it's wrong regardless of what side they are on.

Agreed. I think it was a mistake (not to mention wrong) for Obama to be called a socialist.

I guess the only time he really sounded like a socialist was this: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bw9mHf_O98

And even then it was more irritating than it was socialist

And long term it has limited the meaning of the word as a charge to the point it has less meaning when Republicans (or moderate Democrats) throw it at an actual growing group of socialists like crying wolf

ACA was a bad idea but it was not socialist and a lot actual socialists hated it (and are trying to radicalize it right now), etc

I may sound elitist saying it but I honestly think the average voter is emotion driven and doesn't like policy being intelligently critiqued and prefers to get riled up with buzzwords