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Evilgrin 72

Distributor of Pain
OK, I've been alternately praising and ripping the mocks of others, so I figured it's time I put my money where my mouth is and posted one of my own. Obviously, much will change post-combine, but if the draft were tomorrow, here's what I think would go down. Now, raise your goblet of mock........ it's a toast to those who mock.

Trades projected :

NYJ send pick 1.4, a 2007 draft pick, and John Abraham to HOU for 1.1. That's all I'm going to project for now - it just makes too much sense to me not to happen. if it doesn't, I think the Jets look to trade down, but for now, I'm going to run the mock with the teams in their current slots, save for 1.1 and 1.4.

1. NYJ (f/HOU) - Reggie Bush, RB, USC

Is he or isn't he an every down back in the NFL? If you're going to select him here, you'd better think so, because the $50 million he'll command in this spot cannot be spent on a part-time player. For one, I think he absolutely IS an every down back - yes, he's slight, but he's quick enough to avoid absorbing too many huge hits. If he comes in at 200+ at the combine, he's a mortal lock for this spot.

2. NO - Matt Leinart, QB, USC

This is a virtual no-brainer. New Orleans has been victimized of late by untimely errors at QB - Leinart is the panacea. The guy is heady and accurate, if not gifted with great athleticism. He's just what the doctor ordered for New Orleans.

3. TEN - Vince Young, QB, Texas

Too easy. McNair will lobby for this kid, whose performance in the Rose Bowl secured this spot. He won't throw at the combine, so GMs and scouts won't be able to pick apart his throwing motion. His lasting impression will be looking like a man among boys in the national title game, and his upside will not let him fall past here.

4. HOU (f/Jets) - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia

Houston needs offensive line help in the worst way. I know some Houston fans have referenced improved play along the line, but any team that gets their franchise QB sacked 34 times a game is not putting that big-ticket player in a position to succeed. The Texans have offensive talent in Carr, Davis, and Johnson, but they need to realize the game is won/lost on the lines.

5. GB - AJ Hawk, OLB Ohio St.

LenDale White? Come on. The Packers have much bigger needs than RB - White going here would be a reach and could only be justified if it was a need pick. The Packers are looking for two new starters at the OLB position - what better place to start than with Hawk, who could be an Urlacher-type instant impact player? If Favre returns, the Pack are going to have to show him that they are looking to win now, which means a guy like Hawk makes sense here.

6. SF- Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon

Ngata is a guy whose stock I believe will rise significantly post-combine. I think his size/strength/speed numbers , along with his versatility - he could play nose, DT in a 4-3, or even play some end (frightening at his size) will make him a better fit than Williams for the 49ers. They need a nose tackle badly - this pick just makes sense.

7. OAK - Mario Williams, DE, N.C. St.

Defense, defense, defense. The offense, behind Moss and Lamont, will be better, but they need to be able to stop people, especially in the AFC West. This guy has too much upside as a double-digit sack machine to slide any further than here. He's got the Raider attitude. He's got freakish athletic ability. He'll go to the Raiders, whether here or at #6, if Oakland wins the coin toss determing whether they pick 6th or 7th.

8. BUF - Winston Justice, OT, USC

Buffalo's biggest need in my opinion is at the LT spot, and Justice is the guy that could potentially be the cornerstone LT. He probably has as much or more more upside than Ferguson. I think OTs are being undervalued by some because of the amount of possible studs in this draft class, but NFL scouts and GMs won't do the same. A franchise LT is hard to find, and getting a guy with that upside at #8 is a coup.

9. DET - Tamba Hali, DE, Penn St.

Is the Harrington era over? I have to wonder if they're ready to give up on the guy without seeing what he can do in a new offense. I think Detroit was probably hoping either Justice or Ngata would fall to this spot, but alas, it didn't happen. Definite possibility of a trade down from this spot, but they do need help on defense, and I think that they'll look long and hard at Greenway before realizing that Redding is not a starting-caliber DE, and that Hali would be a huge upgrade to their pass rush.

10. ARI - Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland

Like Hali, this is higher than many are projecting for Davis, but I believe Davis is a guy who will soar after the combine. I've heard rumbling that he will clock a sub-4.5 40 time, which would instantly vault him into the realm of elite prospect. I don't buy the talk of Arizona going RB here - I just don't think they'll toss Arrington onto the scrap heap so quickly, plus, there's talk of Edgerrin James in the desert. Their defense is unproven, but talented, and I believe Green will see Davis and envision Kurt Warner in St. Louis all over again, putting up Nintendo numbers with Davis, Fitzgerald, and Boldin to throw to.

11. STL - Michael Huff, S, Texas

The Rams are perilously thin in the defensive backfield - really, the only choice here is Huff or Jimmy Williams. I think when all is said and done, that Huff will grade out higher - he's smaller than Williams, but seems faster, and is the true ballhawk St. Louis desperately needs.

12. CLE - Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa

Cleveland's biggest needs are at the interior DL postion and at outside linebacker. Bunkley or Kiwanuka will be considered here, but in the end, I believe Savage/Crennel will recognize that not only does Greenway fit a need, he's also the best player available. Biggest adjustment for Greenway will be going from cool black-and-gold uniforms in college to hideous brown and orange ones in the NFL.

13. BAL - Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech.

Tough choice here - Baltimore, besides their fruity uniforms, has some serious holes to fill. They could use help on both lines, at RB (but I think Chester Taylor will be given every chance to make a go of it), and at QB (but I think Boller gets one more chance.) They are thin in the secondary, as Deion hung 'em up again, Dale Carter is old and slow, and Ed Reed is coming off an injury. Williams is a guy with the size and speed to play either secondary spot and would go a long way towards shoring up the defensive backfield.

14. PHI - Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio St.

Very tough call here, as the D-line needs some added bodies, but there's really not anyone at this spot that represents value, unless they fall in love with Kiwanuka - but I hear his stock is slipping. For a team that likes to throw as much as Philly does, they simply cannot have Reggie Brown and Greg Lewis as their two starting wideouts. Neither of these guys is going to draw significant double-teams, and the Philly offense will bog down. Wideout is their biggest need and they have their pick of the litter at this spot. Holmes may not be the most talented WR in this class, and may not put up absurd #s at the combine, but he is the most polished of this group, and the most ready to contribute this year.

15. ATL - Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College

I can't imagine Kiwanuka will fall much further. Yes, he has a "bust factor" to him, but his upside is monstrous. He can easily carry another 15-20 pounds without sacrificing speed or quickness, and is a better natural athlete than anyone in this draft at his position except Mario Williams. Atlanta, I believe, will take a long, hard look at DeAngelo Williams, who wasn't supposed to be here, but in the end will go where the need dictates.

16. MIA - Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt

This one just makes too much sense not to project. Miami needs a QB, badly. They have so much talent on both sides of the ball that a top-flight QB might be all that separates them from contending in 2 years. Cutler is clearly the best QB left, and has upside - he has good size, a snap delivery, and good accuracy. Miami has to take a shot at him here.

17. MIN - DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis

Minnesota had to be thinking White or Maroney would be the best back available here, but DeAngelo falls to them. He is the second-most talented back in this class, and despite not having White's size, his upside is higher. White is more of a north-south guy, while Williams has that home-run ability you look for. I believe that the Vikes were looking LB first here, but Williams simply presents better value. The guy has the one thing that makes a great NFL back - vision. You can have all the measurables in the world, but if you aren't patient and don't have good vision, you'll never be a star. Williams is gifted in this respect, and has more potential than any RB but Bush to be a perennial All-Pro.

18. DAL - Darnell Bing, S, USC.

I have seen most mocks with the Cowboys going WR here, but in my opinion, FS and RT are the Cowboys' biggest needs. They'll look long and hard at Marcus McNeill, due to his sheer size, but I don't know that he's got the attitude Parcells wants. In the end, I think they'll be seduced by Bing's playmaking ability. They need a centerfielder out there to pair with Williams, and I believe Bing will pass Ko Simpson on most teams lists after the combine, as he has superior size and comparable speed.

19. SD - Marcus McNeill, OT, Auburn

I think San Diego would really have liked to get Bing with this pick, but will settle for a monster at a need position. McNeill, at 6' 9", 340 lbs, and with sub 5.0 speed, is going to present too tantalizing a package of measurables to drop any lower than OT3. Olivea has been a pleasant surprise, but Roman Oben is older than Yoda, and they need a franchise LT to protect Rivers/Brees and open holes for Tomlinson.

20. KC - Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio St.

CB is a need spot for KC, and many years, you won't be looking at only 1 true corner off the board at #20. Antonio Cromartie will provide the most intriguing combination of size and speed, but the Chiefs don't need a project, they need a guy who can compete for a starting role as soon as possible. The problem is, everyone available at this spot is raw. Youboty is probably the safest pick among CBs, as he was matched against Ted Ginn every day in practice, and Ohio St. has a history of producing top CBs.

21. NE - Tye Hill, CB, Clemson

The Patriots are in a similar situation to Kansas City, and will likely be looking hard at Youboty, Cromartie, and Hill. Hill probably has the best upside (as far as being a shut-down corner) of the three, and Belichick likely figures he can get the most out of whomever he drafts, so why not grab the guy most likely to become Ty Law at this level? Hill may not be very tall, but is as fast as anyone in this draft, and could be a star once he focuses 100% on football after being a two-sport athlete in college.

22. DEN (f/WAS) - Broderick Bunkley, DT, FSU

Their line has been exposed from time to time, and could use an addition to the ex-Browns there now. Claude Wroten would have been an option before his weed bust, and Bunkley is head-and-shoulders above the rest at this position. He doesn't have ideal size, but is very strong and has an excellent motor.

23. TB - Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas

The Buccaneers are in a good spot here. They were surprisingly good last year, and end up sitting in the 20s in a draft lousy with high-upside OTs, when they have a glaring need there (Davis and Walker aren't scaring anyone.) Scott isn't huge or overpowering, but he's quick, he's smart, and he has upside. Potentially, he could be more ready to step in and play at the NFL level than any OT in this class save for Ferguson. This would be a great pick for Tampa.

24. CIN - Ko Simpson, S, South Carolina

Probably would have taken Bunkley here after passing on Travis Johnson last year, but Denver wisely saw this possibility and snapped him up, leaving Cincinnati to address their other need spot. Madieu Williams is a rising star, but Kaeshivarn sucks antelope nuts and they have no depth at safety. Simpson is a boom/bust type of player with little experience, but great upside, and will carry a first-round grade if he runs a 4.5 at the combine.

25. NYG - DeMeco Ryans, LB, Alabama

Originally, I had the Giants looking CB here, but latest rumor is that they're engaged in talks to bring Will Allen back, making LB their biggest need. Turns out they luck into a great value pick as well - Ryans carries a mid-first round grade, and the Giants watch him fall into their laps. Ryans has a football IQ that is through the roof, wraps up well, and is versatile enough to play any LB spot. In short, he's exactly what the Giants need.

26. CHI - Max Jean-Gilles, G, Georgia

Gilles is a road-grader type who would be a great fit in Chicago. There are some concerns about his conditioning, so he could drop like a stone after the combine, but from what I've seen, he has domination potential. He could eventually become the best run-blocking G in the league, and it will be tough for Chicago to pass that up if they feel he's NFL-ready.

27. CAR - LenDale White, RB, USC

I know, no way does LenDale make it to #27, right? Well, that may be, but as I said, I am not projecting trades here. Frankly, there just aren't a ton of teams with burning needs at RB this year, and the free agent market is going to cure a lot of what ills there are without teams having to burn top draft picks on running backs. Carolina, however, DOES have a huge need at RB with Davis finished and Foster a giant question mark, and White would be an ideal fit for a team that likes to run the ball down the opponent's throat. Panthers get a gift here.

28. JAX - Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State

Easy choice here. Cromartie provides the best upside of any CB available, and the Jags grab the local guy with visions of he and Mathis shutting down opposing wide receivers for years to come.

29. DEN - Chad Jackson, WR Florida

Here's a guy whose stock could soar if he runs a 4.4 at the combine. While somewhat raw and unproven, he has terrific size and great hands. The question now is whether he's a true #1 at the NFL level - the combine will go a long way towards determining if he can get the separation needed to excel against NFL corners. With Rod Smith aging and Lelie looking like he's never going to be a legit #1 guy, this pick just makes a ton of sense.

30. IND - Lawrence Maroney, RB, Minnesota

Another very easy pick. It appears more by the day that Edgerrin James is a goner - here is a guy available at #30 who is capable of starting from day 1. Given the success of Marion Barber III in Dallas, and the fact that Maroney was considered the more talented back when the two played together for the Gophers, it bodes well for Maroney's success. He has good speed and good vision, and can definitely step in right away. Would be a great fantasy pick too, if this happens.

31. SEA - Ernie Sims, OLB, Florida State

They'll take a good look at Thomas Howard as well, who may be the better physical specimen, but in the end, I think Holmgren will opt for the playmaker. Sims is simply a football player - hits like a sledgehammer, despite his size, has a nose for the ball, and just flat-out makes plays. Having Sims outside Tatupu would be a great foundation for a 4-3 linebacking corps. Bobby Carpenter is a possibility, but he seems a better fit in a 3-4, and if Jurevicius walks, they'll look at Sinorice Moss here.

32. PIT - Nick Mangold, C, Ohio St..

OK, if Randle-El walks, then Sinorice Moss becomes a real possibility here. I also think they'd love to grab a power back for the future, but there's just no value once Maroney and White went. The Steelers have the luxury of drafting BPA, which is why I think Mangold goes here. Hartings is getting long in the tooth, and unless he is willing to take a big pay cut, backup Chukky Okobi is likely history as a salary-cap casualty. The Steelers need depth and a C for the future, and Mangold fits the bill. He has room to get bigger, but has the speed to get outside and pull. He needs to add muscle to avoid getting run over by the larger NTs in the NFL, but he'll have at least a year to get stronger before he's forced into action. He's a heady player and plays with a mean streak - in short, exactly the kind of guy the Steelers love.

OK, there you go. Have at it.

 
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msommer

Footballguy
Didn't Chow coach Leinart? Think the Titans will try and trade up one spot then?
He also coached Bush. The fact of the matter is that neither Chow not McNair drafts for the Titans - Floyd Reese does
 

BigTex

Don't mess with Texas
14. PHI - Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio St.Very tough call here, as the D-line needs some added bodies, but there's really not anyone at this spot that represents value, unless they fall in love with Kiwanuka - but I hear his stock is slipping. For a team that likes to throw as much as Philly does, they simply cannot have Reggie Brown and Greg Lewis as their two starting wideouts. Neither of these guys is going to draw significant double-teams, and the Philly offense will bog down. Wideout is their biggest need and they have their pick of the litter at this spot. Holmes may not be the most talented WR in this class, and may not put up absurd #s at the combine, but he is the most polished of this group, and the most ready to contribute this year.
As a McNabb owner: :hifive: As a Cowboy fan: :wall:
 

Bri

Footballguy
Didn't Chow coach Leinart? Think the Titans will try and trade up one spot then?
He also coached Bush. The fact of the matter is that neither Chow not McNair drafts for the Titans - Floyd Reese does
I don't want to hijack, gonna start a thread. I was curious what Evilgrin though but nonetheless............
 

Evilgrin 72

Distributor of Pain
Didn't Chow coach Leinart? Think the Titans will try and trade up one spot then?
He also coached Bush. The fact of the matter is that neither Chow not McNair drafts for the Titans - Floyd Reese does
I don't want to hijack, gonna start a thread. I was curious what Evilgrin though but nonetheless............
I don't think Tennessee looks to trade up. They're certain that Bush is going to go in the top 2 picks, meaning that one of the big 2 QBs is going to drop to them. Unless they're absolutely certain that Leinart is their guy, and aren't interested in Young, I can't see them giving up whatever it would take to move up in order to get Leinart. They just don't have a ton of ammo to trade, and have too many holes to fill to justify giving up valuable draft picks when they can sit at #3 and have a top-flight QB drop to them.
 

Rounders

Footballguy
Good mock, I like that you went in a few different directions.

My thoughts, if the NYJ do move up to #1, I think they pass on Bush and take Leinart :eek: . I know it's crazy to think that, but I think that with the issues with Pennington, they go for the franchise QB??? What would be interesting then is what the Saints do at #2? They wouldn't take Bush, because of McAllister, so I can see them grabbing Young, leaving Bush to fall into Tennessee's lap.

What you think about that? :popcorn:

 
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scratcher

Footballguy
14. PHI - Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio St.

Very tough call here, as the D-line needs some added bodies, but there's really not anyone at this spot that represents value, unless they fall in love with Kiwanuka - but I hear his stock is slipping. For a team that likes to throw as much as Philly does, they simply cannot have Reggie Brown and Greg Lewis as their two starting wideouts. Neither of these guys is going to draw significant double-teams, and the Philly offense will bog down. Wideout is their biggest need and they have their pick of the litter at this spot. Holmes may not be the most talented WR in this class, and may not put up absurd #s at the combine, but he is the most polished of this group, and the most ready to contribute this year.
As a McNabb owner: :hifive: As a Cowboy fan: :wall:
This would be cool to see as an Eagles fan, but I think it's more likely that Iggle's will get a veteran WR in FA and try to develop Reggie Brown.
 

Evilgrin 72

Distributor of Pain
Good mock, I like that you went in a few different directions.

My thoughts, if the NYJ do move up to #1, I think they pass on Bush and take Leinart :eek: . I know it's crazy to think that, but I think that with the issues with Pennington, they go for the franchise QB??? What would be interesting then is what the Saints do at #2? They wouldn't take Bush, because of McAllister, so I can see them grabbing Young, leaving Bush to fall into Tennessee's lap.

What you think about that? :popcorn:
I contemplated that possibility long and hard. Here's the only thing I see preventing that - unless they can get Pennington to restructure (he seems unwilling) - I can't imagine they could justify that kind of outlay at the QB spot. If they cut Pennington, they take a cap hit of something like $10,000,000 - which makes him virtually unreleaseable. Thus, if they draft Leinart, they now have to pay him something like $60 million over 7 years, in addition to the huge contract Pennington signed. That will leave them virtually no flexibility to do anything like sign/draft a top RB to replace Curtis Martin when he retires, re-sign Vilma, get a much-needed WR, etc.
 

Evilgrin 72

Distributor of Pain
14. PHI - Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio St.

Very tough call here, as the D-line needs some added bodies, but there's really not anyone at this spot that represents value, unless they fall in love with Kiwanuka - but I hear his stock is slipping. For a team that likes to throw as much as Philly does, they simply cannot have Reggie Brown and Greg Lewis as their two starting wideouts. Neither of these guys is going to draw significant double-teams, and the Philly offense will bog down. Wideout is their biggest need and they have their pick of the litter at this spot. Holmes may not be the most talented WR in this class, and may not put up absurd #s at the combine, but he is the most polished of this group, and the most ready to contribute this year.
As a McNabb owner: :hifive: As a Cowboy fan: :wall:
This would be cool to see as an Eagles fan, but I think it's more likely that Iggle's will get a veteran WR in FA and try to develop Reggie Brown.
Very possible, and I considered that as well, but until that happens, the combination of need and opportunity (no WRs off the board) at this spot led to my making this selection for Philly. If they do get a starting wideout in free agency, I could see them looking at Kiwanuka, Hali (if he isn't gone,) or Bunkley with this pick.
 

msommer

Footballguy
Didn't Chow coach Leinart? Think the Titans will try and trade up one spot then?
He also coached Bush. The fact of the matter is that neither Chow not McNair drafts for the Titans - Floyd Reese does
I don't want to hijack, gonna start a thread. I was curious what Evilgrin though but nonetheless............
I don't think Tennessee looks to trade up. They're certain that Bush is going to go in the top 2 picks, meaning that one of the big 2 QBs is going to drop to them. Unless they're absolutely certain that Leinart is their guy, and aren't interested in Young, I can't see them giving up whatever it would take to move up in order to get Leinart. They just don't have a ton of ammo to trade, and have too many holes to fill to justify giving up valuable draft picks when they can sit at #3 and have a top-flight QB drop to them.
I would not be surprised to see the Titans trade down for an OT, and not necessarily Brick.
 

Shrek

Having a great season
Good mock, I like that you went in a few different directions.

My thoughts, if the NYJ do move up to #1, I think they pass on Bush and take Leinart :eek: . I know it's crazy to think that, but I think that with the issues with Pennington, they go for the franchise QB??? What would be interesting then is what the Saints do at #2? They wouldn't take Bush, because of McAllister, so I can see them grabbing Young, leaving Bush to fall into Tennessee's lap.

What you think about that? :popcorn:
I still don't see why everyone keeps calling Leinart a franchise QB. Yes he will be drafted high. But salary alone doesn't make someone a franchise QB. He has yet to prove that he can do anything when he is QB of a team that is subpar compared to it's rivals. There are at least 4 better players in the draft than him IMO anyway. You pay that kind of money for him at 1.01 you are paying for name recognition only. The Jets taking Leinart at 1.01 would be the dumbest draft move in their history, and believe me, they have an impressive resume of dumb draft moves already.
 

Bankerguy

Footballguy
14. PHI - Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio St.

Very tough call here, as the D-line needs some added bodies, but there's really not anyone at this spot that represents value, unless they fall in love with Kiwanuka - but I hear his stock is slipping. For a team that likes to throw as much as Philly does, they simply cannot have Reggie Brown and Greg Lewis as their two starting wideouts. Neither of these guys is going to draw significant double-teams, and the Philly offense will bog down. Wideout is their biggest need and they have their pick of the litter at this spot. Holmes may not be the most talented WR in this class, and may not put up absurd #s at the combine, but he is the most polished of this group, and the most ready to contribute this year.
As a McNabb owner: :hifive: As a Cowboy fan: :wall:
:goodposting: Bing????....WTF.

Sorry, I hate to critize, I know Mocks are subjective and take tons of time to do. However, this is a terrible pick...imo.

 

Evilgrin 72

Distributor of Pain
how about san diego drafting a wr?
Distinct possibility, as is secondary. In fact, I mentioned that if Bing were there, I think they'd take him. As it is, I debated Simpson, Chad Jackson, Sinorice Moss, and McNeill with this pick - when it came down to choosing one, I just thought they'd see McNeill as the guy with the biggest upside. IF Chad Jackson comes out and runs a 4.45 at the combine, however, I think either he or Santonio Holmes, if available, becomes a very real possibility there.
 

Evilgrin 72

Distributor of Pain
Didn't Chow coach Leinart? Think the Titans will try and trade up one spot then?
He also coached Bush. The fact of the matter is that neither Chow not McNair drafts for the Titans - Floyd Reese does
I don't want to hijack, gonna start a thread. I was curious what Evilgrin though but nonetheless............
I don't think Tennessee looks to trade up. They're certain that Bush is going to go in the top 2 picks, meaning that one of the big 2 QBs is going to drop to them. Unless they're absolutely certain that Leinart is their guy, and aren't interested in Young, I can't see them giving up whatever it would take to move up in order to get Leinart. They just don't have a ton of ammo to trade, and have too many holes to fill to justify giving up valuable draft picks when they can sit at #3 and have a top-flight QB drop to them.
I would not be surprised to see the Titans trade down for an OT, and not necessarily Brick.
Tennessee trading down is MUCH more likely than trading up. if they don't love Young, there's likely to be someone who does, which makes their spot very attractive. Maybe they trade down to #9 if Detroit is finished with Harrington and hope to get Justice there.....
 

Evilgrin 72

Distributor of Pain
14. PHI - Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio St.

Very tough call here, as the D-line needs some added bodies, but there's really not anyone at this spot that represents value, unless they fall in love with Kiwanuka - but I hear his stock is slipping. For a team that likes to throw as much as Philly does, they simply cannot have Reggie Brown and Greg Lewis as their two starting wideouts. Neither of these guys is going to draw significant double-teams, and the Philly offense will bog down. Wideout is their biggest need and they have their pick of the litter at this spot. Holmes may not be the most talented WR in this class, and may not put up absurd #s at the combine, but he is the most polished of this group, and the most ready to contribute this year.
As a McNabb owner: :hifive: As a Cowboy fan: :wall:
:goodposting: Bing????....WTF.

Sorry, I hate to critize, I know Mocks are subjective and take tons of time to do. However, this is a terrible pick...imo.
Not at all, I don't mind criticism. I know top-20 is a lot higher than almost everyone is projecting him, but I have a feeling that after the combine, he is going to rise to the #2 spot among safeties behind Huff. He has great size at 6' 2" 220, if he runs a 4.55, as projected, he'll show he has the speed to cover deep, and he's a fantastic tackler. He's got a great nose for the ball, and comes from a school with recent success at developing that position (Polamalu) I think he's the most underrated DB in the early part of this draft.
 

Evilgrin 72

Distributor of Pain
You honestly think SF is going to win that coin toss over my Raiders?  :P
:lmao: Either way, I like Williams to OAK and Ngata to SF, whether at 6/7 or 7/6....
I'm good with Williams but I'm really hoping that Hawk falls to us.
It's possible. I flirted hard with the notion of Mario Williams to Green Bay to play opposite Gbaja-Biamila, which would precipitate Hawk to the Raiders for sure. it could very easily happen, IMO.
 

diesel7982

Footballguy
Evilgrin,

This is one of the best mocks I have ever seen on this board, and I can literally take issue with only one of your picks, and thats Bing to DAL, as I think you are overrating his "playmaking" abilities against the passing game, and taht Dallas would be incredibly vulnerable on the deep third of the field with he and Roy at S.

EXCELLENT JOB.

 

Evilgrin 72

Distributor of Pain
Evilgrin,

This is one of the best mocks I have ever seen on this board, and I can literally take issue with only one of your picks, and thats Bing to DAL, as I think you are overrating his "playmaking" abilities against the passing game, and taht Dallas would be incredibly vulnerable on the deep third of the field with he and Roy at S.

EXCELLENT JOB.
Thanks, man. I had a feeling that the Bing pick would draw the most heat, I am just higher on the guy than most. I can see easily see Dallas taking Jonathan Scott, Marcus McNeill, Chad Jackson, Broderick Bunkley, or Ko Simpson with that pick as well, and it may change after the combine. I know Bing has struggled some in pass coverage, but he's a great hitter, excellent in run support (which Parcells loves), and just seems to be able to put himself in position to make big plays.
 

Bloom

Moderator
Nice mock - Im picking for Denver in a mock over at xperts and just grabbed Bunkley at 22 for them, so we're on the same page there.

thoughts:

i just cant see the jets taking on a contract as huge as #1 pick's with the problems theyre having capwise. I also think Kubiak has all but decided that they will take Bush - he is the perfect kind of offensive mind to build an offense around this guy. the texans have 3 more picks in the top 70 and can still address the line.

Hali to the Lions - im not sure about just because Henderson said resigning Kalimba Edwards is a top priority.

Carpenter may make more sense for the brownies than Greenway if he gets a clean bill of health at the combine.

Bing to Dallas just doesnt make much sense. They already have a hard hitter that struggles in coverage. If they take a safety at 18, itll be Ko, not Bing. Im becoming more convinced by the day that Carpenter will be the pick here if he makes it past the browns

I would be surprised to see Chicago take a guard that high even though Brown is old. TE makes more sense to me, i know its becoming a cliche in mocks, but its a case where the depth of the draft class fits the team need perfectly.

Car + White = sickening

Ive seen Sims to Seattle in a few mocks and i just dont buy it. They already have a very similar player in Leroy Hill, who they like, and Sims doesnt fit as an SLB in their scheme.

 

Reaper

Footballguy
You lost me at the Jets trading UP.....

Being that they are way over the cap and their new HC comes from a team that likes to stockpile talent over gushing over and grabbing the 1 Hot guy of the draft I think this trade has ZERO chance of happening....

I'll say it again - NO WAY IN HELL the Jets trade up and pay huge money to 1 guy when they have so many holes to fill and so little money...

And for a RB? No way in Hell... I bet they would much easier go with Martin / Houston / Blaylock and concentrate Money and Picks on other areas or even move down and get a guy like Williams....

I'd like to see them trade DOWN - Get an OT later on as well as either a QB (Cutler) or a RB (Williams)....

People keep saying things like "You can't throw that kind of money at the QB spot" - Well, You CAN if you have no QB to start with - Pennington isn't a QB anymore - He's a liability - He's money to wipe off the cap as soon as you can - Spending money on a guy that you think is the franchise QB has Zero bearing on Pennington and the mistakes the last front office made.

ALSO - If Abraham is traded like it seems they want to do in the worst way - Hey even if he winds up being released do to the cap, I can certainly see the Jets goin Defense for either Hawk or Williams.

 
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Evilgrin 72

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Very nice mock by the way Evil. Great work. Looking forward to the combine results.
Thanks, man. I am looking forward to the combine too. I thought I'd be a lot less into the draft this year with the Steelers having won it all, and picking last, but I'm not. I guess I'm a draft :nerd:
 

Evilgrin 72

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Nice mock - Im picking for Denver in a mock over at xperts and just grabbed Bunkley at 22 for them, so we're on the same page there.

thoughts:

i just cant see the jets taking on a contract as huge as #1 pick's with the problems theyre having capwise. I also think Kubiak has all but decided that they will take Bush - he is the perfect kind of offensive mind to build an offense around this guy. the texans have 3 more picks in the top 70 and can still address the line.

Hali to the Lions - im not sure about just because Henderson said resigning Kalimba Edwards is a top priority.

Carpenter may make more sense for the brownies than Greenway if he gets a clean bill of health at the combine.

Bing to Dallas just doesnt make much sense. They already have a hard hitter that struggles in coverage. If they take a safety at 18, itll be Ko, not Bing. Im becoming more convinced by the day that Carpenter will be the pick here if he makes it past the browns

I would be surprised to see Chicago take a guard that high even though Brown is old. TE makes more sense to me, i know its becoming a cliche in mocks, but its a case where the depth of the draft class fits the team need perfectly.

Car + White = sickening

Ive seen Sims to Seattle in a few mocks and i just dont buy it. They already have a very similar player in Leroy Hill, who they like, and Sims doesnt fit as an SLB in their scheme.
Thanks for the input, bloom - I appreciate it. A lot of this stuff will shake out over time. On the Bing pick, again, I think he'll be better in coverage than people think, I'm not sold on Ko at all, and I think Bing might develop into the centerfielder they need. Perhaps I am wrong - you know the college game much better than I, and I'll probably switch Bing and Simpson in version 2.0 based on the comments of the Shark Pool. Hali to the Lions is one of the picks I was least sure of - we'll see what happens with Edwards there. Chicago, I STRONGLY considered Pope instead of Gilles there, and depending on how Gilles looks at the combine, will slot Pope in in the next mock if Gilles doesn't impress. Seattle was a tough call - they may well go WR there too, if Jurevicius and Warrick are both gone.
 
Good job....but

3. TEN - Vince Young, QB, Texas

Too easy. McNair will lobby for this kid, whose performance in the Rose Bowl secured this spot. He won't throw at the combine, so GMs and scouts won't be able to pick apart his throwing motion. His lasting impression will be looking like a man among boys in the national title game, and his upside will not let him fall past here.
GMs and Scouts will get a chance to pick his throwing apart all they want, just not at the combine. Not throwing at the compine is a move aimed more at making his throwing workout more private...at the Texas Pro Day. He doesn't want the media ripping him a new one in the papers and on ESPN (sucks) over one bad throw or a funny looking release. He'll also be able to throw to familiar receivers in familiar surroundings.

I agree, though, that there's a very good chance the Titans take him if he's there (that is, if someone else doesn't surprise us and trade up past Tn and snag him).

 
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yoda

Footballguy
Good mock, I like that you went in a few different directions.

My thoughts, if the NYJ do move up to #1, I think they pass on Bush and take Leinart :eek: . I know it's crazy to think that, but I think that with the issues with Pennington, they go for the franchise QB??? What would be interesting then is what the Saints do at #2? They wouldn't take Bush, because of McAllister, so I can see them grabbing Young, leaving Bush to fall into Tennessee's lap.

What you think about that? :popcorn:
I still don't see why everyone keeps calling Leinart a franchise QB. Yes he will be drafted high. But salary alone doesn't make someone a franchise QB. He has yet to prove that he can do anything when he is QB of a team that is subpar compared to it's rivals. There are at least 4 better players in the draft than him IMO anyway. You pay that kind of money for him at 1.01 you are paying for name recognition only. The Jets taking Leinart at 1.01 would be the dumbest draft move in their history, and believe me, they have an impressive resume of dumb draft moves already.
He is the best QB going into the draft. The Jets are so screwed up right now that they cannot blow this pick. I mean they can they are the Jets, but the front office being new will want as close to a sure thing as they can get. Your argument is that he is not that good because he performed at an elite level with elite players. Does that apply to Carson Palmer as well? Leinart will be a good fit for the Jets. I think whoever goes to N.O. as the QB is screwed be it either Leinart or Young. With Leinart the Jets have a future to build towards. With Bush you have the "is he an every down back", what about Martin... blah blah blah... not to mention the who plays QB, Brooks Bollinger?
 

Evilgrin 72

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You lost me at the Jets trading UP.....

Being that they are way over the cap and their new HC comes from a team that likes to stockpile talent over gushing over and grabbing the 1 Hot guy of the draft I think this trade has ZERO chance of happening....

I'll say it again - NO WAY IN HELL the Jets trade up and pay huge money to 1 guy when they have so many holes to fill and so little money...

And for a RB? No way in Hell... I bet they would much easier go with Martin / Houston / Blaylock and concentrate Money and Picks on other areas or even move down and get a guy like Williams....

I'd like to see them trade DOWN - Get an OT later on as well as either a QB (Cutler) or a RB (Williams)....

People keep saying things like "You can't throw that kind of money at the QB spot" - Well, You CAN if you have no QB to start with - Pennington isn't a QB anymore - He's a liability - He's money to wipe off the cap as soon as you can - Spending money on a guy that you think is the franchise QB has Zero bearing on Pennington and the mistakes the last front office made.

ALSO - If Abraham is traded like it seems they want to do in the worst way - Hey even if he winds up being released do to the cap, I can certainly see the Jets goin Defense for either Hawk or Williams.
I think I mentioned that the Jets will likely trade down if they don't trade up, in any event, I don't think they pick at #4. I will never say "no way in hell" with ANYTHING regarding the Jets, though, and I've heard they absolutely love Bush and would kill to get him.
 

Evilgrin 72

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Good job....but

3. TEN - Vince Young, QB, Texas

Too easy. McNair will lobby for this kid, whose performance in the Rose Bowl secured this spot. He won't throw at the combine, so GMs and scouts won't be able to pick apart his throwing motion. His lasting impression will be looking like a man among boys in the national title game, and his upside will not let him fall past here.
GMs and Scouts will get a chance to pick his throwing apart all they want, just not at the combine. Not throwing at the compine is a move aimed more at making his throwing workout more private...at the Texas Pro Day. He doesn't want the media ripping him a new one in the papers and on ESPN (sucks) over one bad throw or a funny looking release. He'll also be able to throw to familiar receivers in familiar surroundings.

I agree, though, that there's a very good chance the Titans take him if he's there (that is, if someone else doesn't surprise us and trade up past Tn and snag him).
Good points, and really what I intended with this statement, just didn't articulate it well. They want to make sure his throwing drills are scripted and designed to flatter him as much as possible, thus limiting the sniping about his unorthodox style.
 

Evilgrin 72

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Latest Sporting News mock has Vince Young dropping to #11 and TEN going for Ferguson.
Young to St. Louis, or as part of a series of trades?I don't see Young to St. Louis at all.

 

Dave Baker

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Latest Sporting News mock has Vince Young dropping to #11 and TEN going for Ferguson.
Young to St. Louis, or as part of a series of trades?I don't see Young to St. Louis at all.
Young to St. Louis. Not sure I see it either, but the explanation was that Linehan oversaw the development of Culpepper and sees some of the same traits in Young.
 

Evilgrin 72

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Latest Sporting News mock has Vince Young dropping to #11 and TEN going for Ferguson.
Young to St. Louis, or as part of a series of trades?I don't see Young to St. Louis at all.
Young to St. Louis. Not sure I see it either, but the explanation was that Linehan oversaw the development of Culpepper and sees some of the same traits in Young.
I think maybe Sporting News decided that Tennessee would take Ferguson and they needed somewhere to put Young. Bulger doesn't have a lot of miles on him - I think they still like him as their QB for the next several years if he can avoid the damn injuries.
 

Andy Dufresne

Footballguy
I think maybe Sporting News decided that Tennessee would take Ferguson and

they needed somewhere to put Young. Bulger doesn't have a lot of miles on him - I think they still like him as their QB for the next several years if he can avoid the damn injuries.
Agreed. Bulger's injuries weren't his fault. His terrible interior o-line was.No way Young goes to the Rams, especially with thier dire need at MANY defensive positions.

 

Dave Baker

Damn glad to meet you
Bulger doesn't have a lot of miles on him - I think they still like him as their QB for the next several years if he can avoid the damn injuries.
Yep, although it seems Bulger is likely to get hurt more and even if he is healthy, plenty predict Young will take 3-4 years to become a valid NFL starter anyway.
 

Evilgrin 72

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I think maybe Sporting News decided that Tennessee would take Ferguson and

they needed somewhere to put Young.  Bulger doesn't have a lot of miles on him - I think they still like him as their QB for the next several years if he can avoid the damn injuries.
Agreed. Bulger's injuries weren't his fault. His terrible interior o-line was.No way Young goes to the Rams, especially with thier dire need at MANY defensive positions.
I can't see any way they don't go DB in round 1. They've got Archuleta and that's about it. With the possibility that every CB and S in the draft will be on the board at #11, that was one of the 3 or 4 easiest projections I made in the whole mock.
 

Evilgrin 72

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Bulger doesn't have a lot of miles on him - I think they still like him as their QB for the next several years if he can avoid the damn injuries.
Yep, although it seems Bulger is likely to get hurt more and even if he is healthy, plenty predict Young will take 3-4 years to become a valid NFL starter anyway.
See, this I disagree with. He has the athletic talent to play the position, give him a year on the bench to learn the game, and get him in there. If he's really a four-year project, I cannot imagine anyone spending a high draft pick on him, maybe not even a first-round pick, period.
 

salmonstud

Footballguy
E.G.,

Excellent mock. So much will change between now and April, but I extremely enjoy reading the mocks on the board. I think your mock makes the most sense from the ones I have read. Good job! I look forward to your next version.

 

Evilgrin 72

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E.G.,

Excellent mock. So much will change between now and April, but I extremely enjoy reading the mocks on the board. I think your mock makes the most sense from the ones I have read. Good job! I look forward to your next version.
Thanks, dude. I'll update it a week or so after the combine, then do another version prior to the draft in April.
 

Warpig

Footballguy
1. NYJ (f/HOU) - Reggie Bush, RB, USC

Is he or isn't he an every down back in the NFL? If you're going to select him here, you'd better think so, because the $50 million he'll command in this spot cannot be spent on a part-time player. For one, I think he absolutely IS an every down back - yes, he's slight, but he's quick enough to avoid absorbing too many huge hits. If he comes in at 200+ at the combine, he's a mortal lock for this spot.
I seriously doubt the Jets will trade up. They are in salary cap hell and have a QB the are indebted to for about $10 million no matter how you slice it. I don't think they'd wanna take on a salary of $50 million more. I do however see them trading down as has been rumored. Then they could pick up Cutler and depth at O-line. However, you were correct...mucho gusto. :)
 

Reaper

Footballguy
I think I mentioned that the Jets will likely trade down if they don't trade up, in any event, I don't think they pick at #4. I will never say "no way in hell" with ANYTHING regarding the Jets, though, and I've heard they absolutely love Bush and would kill to get him.
I'll say No way in Hell to the Jets Trading UP.

As for them LOVING Bush - Got a link?

It just doesn't sound right at all for a guy like Mangini who wants to build A winning "System" where the system is bigger than the parts or the players to go out and trade a bunch to move UP for an expensive RB.

And again - If /When Abraham is gone, these top defensive players will go right to the Top of the Jets wish list if they pick at the 4 spot.....

I'd bet that AJ Hawk and Mario Edwards have a much better shot at being a Jet than Bush does.

 

Bankerguy

Footballguy
Sorry in my previous post I forgot to say good job. Most of the picks looks look very solid. I don't pretend to know the needs of other teams as well as my fav team (Dallas). So, I tend to stick to what I know best.

IMO.....Dallas takes a LB or O-line in round one.

Carpenter

McNeil

Scott

Gilles

This would be our board if your picks were true from 1-17 (IMO).

Again, I didn't mean to jump to critize. I tend to focus in my own teams picks. My belief is that Dallas fills the S spot through FA as there are some quality players for cheap.

Thanks for the time and effort on the Mock. I always enjoy reading these. :thumbup:

 
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Evilgrin 72

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1. NYJ (f/HOU) - Reggie Bush, RB, USC

Is he or isn't he an every down back in the NFL?  If you're going to select him here, you'd better think so, because the $50 million he'll command in this spot cannot be spent on a part-time player.  For one, I think he absolutely IS an every down back - yes, he's slight, but he's quick enough to avoid absorbing too many huge hits.  If he comes in at 200+ at the combine, he's a mortal lock for this spot.
I seriously doubt the Jets will trade up. They are in salary cap hell and have a QB the are indebted to for about $10 million no matter how you slice it. I don't think they'd wanna take on a salary of $50 million more. I do however see them trading down as has been rumored. Then they could pick up Cutler and depth at O-line. However, you were correct...mucho gusto. :)
I think they either trade up or down. Down may be more likely, but I didn't feel like going through all the possibilities, so I just stuck with them trading up for simplicity more than anything. In either case, I still like Bush to go #1 and Ferguson #4.
 

Evilgrin 72

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If the Vikings actually get DeAngelo Williams, I better have a clean pair of shorts handy.
It could happen. I have him rated in the top 10 overall in this draft, but just couldn't find a spot for him until #15 and I didn't see the Falcons taking him. It could easily happen if Arizona and Cleveland pass him up.
 

Rev

Footballguy
30. IND - Lawrence Maroney, RB, Minnesota

Another very easy pick. It appears more by the day that Edgerrin James is a goner - here is a guy available at #30 who is capable of starting from day 1. Given the success of Marion Barber III in Dallas, and the fact that Maroney was considered the more talented back when the two played together for the Gophers, it bodes well for Maroney's success. He has good speed and good vision, and can definitely step in right away. Would be a great fantasy pick too, if this happens
Given that logic, we can Lee Suggs to outplay his former VTech backup Kevin Jones, which hasn't happened (and wont). I'm not sold on Moroney just because he once looked better than a college teammate who's doing ok in the NFL. I need more if I'm going to spend a 1.4 on him. We'll see.
 

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