The Shark move in Pre-season (1 Viewer)

[tdmills]

Is to not change your roster unless:

-someone on your roster gets cut/waived

-someone on your roster gets injured

-you see someone become the starter, because the old starter is done for the season(aka Kurt Warner when Trent Green got injured)

People look too much into preseason, when in all honesty not much is going on. The vets aren't really going all out or even playing, the main goal is to not get injured. The guys that go all out are the ones fighting for a starting position or a roster spot on the team.

The other thing is that teams are very vanilla.....running base packages because they don't want to show other teams what they will run during the regular season. They also do this because mainly the veterens can absorb and actually execute these complex plays.

Most FF owners that make all of these moves currently thinking they will get a super sleeper.....when he is just performing well in base packages against someone else's 3rd string.

 

[Football Jones]

Is to not change your roster unless:

-someone on your roster gets cut/waived

-someone on your roster gets injured

-you see someone become the starter, because the old starter is done for the season(aka Kurt Warner when Trent Green got injured)

People look too much into preseason, when in all honesty not much is going on. The vets aren't really going all out or even playing, the main goal is to not get injured. The guys that go all out are the ones fighting for a starting position or a roster spot on the team.

The other thing is that teams are very vanilla.....running base packages because they don't want to show other teams what they will run during the regular season. They also do this because mainly the veterens can absorb and actually execute these complex plays.

Most FF owners that make all of these moves currently thinking they will get a super sleeper.....when he is just performing well in base packages against someone else's 3rd string.

Very solid advice. Preseason is a tool like everything else, but like you insinuated, it's vastly overrated. Yeah, there's some situations I weigh more heavily than others (certain players...typically young guys), but if you do that, you need to use your eyes & forget about the stats. Stat-mongering in preseason is a huge mistake (which is good advice with any scouting you do, IMO).

 

[crnerblitz]

Is to not change your roster unless:-someone on your roster gets cut/waived-someone on your roster gets injured-you see someone become the starter, because the old starter is done for the season(aka Kurt Warner when Trent Green got injured)People look too much into preseason, when in all honesty not much is going on. The vets aren't really going all out or even playing, the main goal is to not get injured. The guys that go all out are the ones fighting for a starting position or a roster spot on the team.The other thing is that teams are very vanilla.....running base packages because they don't want to show other teams what they will run during the regular season. They also do this because mainly the veterens can absorb and actually execute these complex plays.Most FF owners that make all of these moves currently thinking they will get a super sleeper.....when he is just performing well in base packages against someone else's 3rd string.

Dont be rigid like stone. Be like water. Water is fluid and can take other forms yet it is hard enough to cut stone. That is to say be flexible. and trust what you are seeing. If a player is making the most of an opportunity and has the requisite requirements of the position then by all means add him. Most rosters have two or three bench spots that you can churn. You should also have in mind situations where you will happily interchange players at the end of your bench. Specific situations and reasons that is. Not just cause he's the new flavor. You can't ever stop thinking about how to improve your roster. Be it by trade or free agency. That goes for off-season, pre-season and in-season. Be like water

 

[tdmills]

Funny how you edited that from the original crnerblitz.

But those are two contradicting.....any other thoughts.

 

[anakin]

Is to not change your roster unless:-someone on your roster gets cut/waived-someone on your roster gets injured-you see someone become the starter, because the old starter is done for the season(aka Kurt Warner when Trent Green got injured)People look too much into preseason, when in all honesty not much is going on. The vets aren't really going all out or even playing, the main goal is to not get injured. The guys that go all out are the ones fighting for a starting position or a roster spot on the team.The other thing is that teams are very vanilla.....running base packages because they don't want to show other teams what they will run during the regular season. They also do this because mainly the veterens can absorb and actually execute these complex plays.Most FF owners that make all of these moves currently thinking they will get a super sleeper.....when he is just performing well in base packages against someone else's 3rd string.

Dont be rigid like stone. Be like water. Water is fluid and can take other forms yet it is hard enough to cut stone. That is to say be flexible. and trust what you are seeing. If a player is making the most of an opportunity and has the requisite requirements of the position then by all means add him. Most rosters have two or three bench spots that you can churn. You should also have in mind situations where you will happily interchange players at the end of your bench. Specific situations and reasons that is. Not just cause he's the new flavor. You can't ever stop thinking about how to improve your roster. Be it by trade or free agency. That goes for off-season, pre-season and in-season. Be like water

Bruce Lee said it better and more eloquent.

 

[crnerblitz]

Funny how you edited that from the original crnerblitz.But those are two contradicting.....any other thoughts.

Yeah, I was pretty toolish. I apologise. The tool factor is rising around here and I don't need to add to it

 

[anakin]

Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water. Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; You put it into a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend. Bruce Lee

Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way round or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Bruce Lee

 

[acme]

Is to not change your roster unless:-someone on your roster gets cut/waived-someone on your roster gets injured-you see someone become the starter, because the old starter is done for the season(aka Kurt Warner when Trent Green got injured)People look too much into preseason, when in all honesty not much is going on. The vets aren't really going all out or even playing, the main goal is to not get injured. The guys that go all out are the ones fighting for a starting position or a roster spot on the team.The other thing is that teams are very vanilla.....running base packages because they don't want to show other teams what they will run during the regular season. They also do this because mainly the veterens can absorb and actually execute these complex plays.Most FF owners that make all of these moves currently thinking they will get a super sleeper.....when he is just performing well in base packages against someone else's 3rd string.

Dont be rigid like stone. Be like water. Water is fluid and can take other forms yet it is hard enough to cut stone. That is to say be flexible. and trust what you are seeing. If a player is making the most of an opportunity and has the requisite requirements of the position then by all means add him. Most rosters have two or three bench spots that you can churn. You should also have in mind situations where you will happily interchange players at the end of your bench. Specific situations and reasons that is. Not just cause he's the new flavor. You can't ever stop thinking about how to improve your roster. Be it by trade or free agency. That goes for off-season, pre-season and in-season. Be like water

Bruce Lee said it better and more eloquent.

i heard that the Dragon was a huge fantasy football fan.

 

[Trig2U]

I do think that you can get some useful insight in the preseason regarding kickers (for whatever that's worth).

They're working under fairly similar conditions as they would in the regular season. Obviously there tends to be more pressure once September rolls around, although often kickers face competition in the pre-season, and a few "wide-rights" can cost them a job. Anyway, if I see a guy struggling with field goals in the pre-season it's a red flag.

(On the other hand, last season I didn't even draft a kicker, but just picked up Dan Carpenter off waivers right before Week One and he did a pretty good job.)

 

[tdmills]

I'm going to bump this for hopefully more intelligent conversation.

 

[Banger]

I don't think there's a hard and fast rule when it comes to the preseason. You have to watch and keep in mind that it is only preseason but there are a lot of tidbits that you can/should pick up on but don't focus as much on the stats as you do the opportunity. A couple things I've picked up on after week 1....

-Gates looks healthy and will be a force once again

-Britt looks like he'll be used and could be a nice late grab

-Schillens is under most people's radar and shouldn't be

-D. Brown looks quick and strong and should be a force

I could go on but the point is I look at the players and how they look as opposed to the stats. I generally don't make drastic changes in my opinions but it is information and evaluate it accordingly.

 

[tdmills]

I don't think there's a hard and fast rule when it comes to the preseason. You have to watch and keep in mind that it is only preseason but there are a lot of tidbits that you can/should pick up on but don't focus as much on the stats as you do the opportunity. A couple things I've picked up on after week 1....-Gates looks healthy and will be a force once again-Britt looks like he'll be used and could be a nice late grab-Schillens is under most people's radar and shouldn't be-D. Brown looks quick and strong and should be a forceI could go on but the point is I look at the players and how they look as opposed to the stats. I generally don't make drastic changes in my opinions but it is information and evaluate it accordingly.

Evaluate it accordingly is probably the key phrase here. If some young RB blows up....but its vs the other teams 3's....I wouldn't give it much credit.

 

[Banger]

I don't think there's a hard and fast rule when it comes to the preseason. You have to watch and keep in mind that it is only preseason but there are a lot of tidbits that you can/should pick up on but don't focus as much on the stats as you do the opportunity. A couple things I've picked up on after week 1....-Gates looks healthy and will be a force once again-Britt looks like he'll be used and could be a nice late grab-Schillens is under most people's radar and shouldn't be-D. Brown looks quick and strong and should be a forceI could go on but the point is I look at the players and how they look as opposed to the stats. I generally don't make drastic changes in my opinions but it is information and evaluate it accordingly.

Evaluate it accordingly is probably the key phrase here. If some young RB blows up....but its vs the other teams 3's....I wouldn't give it much credit.

not necessarily but maybe ....in my opinion the weight to give the performance depends on a number of factors that can't be defined in a broad brush stroke. The opportunity in the particular situation (i.e. depth chart) and how the player looked in relation to the opposition (i.e. did he have another gear and played "faster" than everyone else on the field?) should be considered but that is just the start of the process. If a guy like that peaks my interest I'll then look for articles, threads, go to the local message boards, try and find coaches/player/reporters opinions on the guy to see if he's just a bubble player that had a nice game or a guy that's pushing his way up the depth charts. If you want to find the gems you need to do your homework.

 

[tdmills]

I don't think there's a hard and fast rule when it comes to the preseason. You have to watch and keep in mind that it is only preseason but there are a lot of tidbits that you can/should pick up on but don't focus as much on the stats as you do the opportunity. A couple things I've picked up on after week 1....-Gates looks healthy and will be a force once again-Britt looks like he'll be used and could be a nice late grab-Schillens is under most people's radar and shouldn't be-D. Brown looks quick and strong and should be a forceI could go on but the point is I look at the players and how they look as opposed to the stats. I generally don't make drastic changes in my opinions but it is information and evaluate it accordingly.

Evaluate it accordingly is probably the key phrase here. If some young RB blows up....but its vs the other teams 3's....I wouldn't give it much credit.

not necessarily but maybe ....in my opinion the weight to give the performance depends on a number of factors that can't be defined in a broad brush stroke. The opportunity in the particular situation (i.e. depth chart) and how the player looked in relation to the opposition (i.e. did he have another gear and played "faster" than everyone else on the field?) should be considered but that is just the start of the process. If a guy like that peaks my interest I'll then look for articles, threads, go to the local message boards, try and find coaches/player/reporters opinions on the guy to see if he's just a bubble player that had a nice game or a guy that's pushing his way up the depth charts. If you want to find the gems you need to do your homework.

While I agree with all of this, it needs to be put in the context of making the move or not. You would generally make the move by cutting another player that hasn't shown much. I would equally weigh why this other player has not shown much(injury, didn't play in first game, rookie, etc). I think a lot of talents gets released too soon in preseason and the regular NFL season because of this.

 

[Banger]

I don't think there's a hard and fast rule when it comes to the preseason. You have to watch and keep in mind that it is only preseason but there are a lot of tidbits that you can/should pick up on but don't focus as much on the stats as you do the opportunity. A couple things I've picked up on after week 1....-Gates looks healthy and will be a force once again-Britt looks like he'll be used and could be a nice late grab-Schillens is under most people's radar and shouldn't be-D. Brown looks quick and strong and should be a forceI could go on but the point is I look at the players and how they look as opposed to the stats. I generally don't make drastic changes in my opinions but it is information and evaluate it accordingly.

Evaluate it accordingly is probably the key phrase here. If some young RB blows up....but its vs the other teams 3's....I wouldn't give it much credit.

not necessarily but maybe ....in my opinion the weight to give the performance depends on a number of factors that can't be defined in a broad brush stroke. The opportunity in the particular situation (i.e. depth chart) and how the player looked in relation to the opposition (i.e. did he have another gear and played "faster" than everyone else on the field?) should be considered but that is just the start of the process. If a guy like that peaks my interest I'll then look for articles, threads, go to the local message boards, try and find coaches/player/reporters opinions on the guy to see if he's just a bubble player that had a nice game or a guy that's pushing his way up the depth charts. If you want to find the gems you need to do your homework.

While I agree with all of this, it needs to be put in the context of making the move or not. You would generally make the move by cutting another player that hasn't shown much. I would equally weigh why this other player has not shown much(injury, didn't play in first game, rookie, etc). I think a lot of talents gets released too soon in preseason and the regular NFL season because of this.

Agreed...an equal evaluation needs to be done of the player being dropped. How has he performed in the preseason? Where is he on the depth chart, is he moving up/down/neutral? What are the coaches saying? How does he look? If he gets the opportunity what's the upside?This is the point in the season that you can find value, deal perceived value before others realize a change is occuring/has occurred. I never make a knee jerk reaction based on a performance but like I said a performance may raise my eyebrows for further evaluation.

 

[T Bell]

Is to not change your roster unless:-someone on your roster gets cut/waived-someone on your roster gets injured-you see someone become the starter, because the old starter is done for the season(aka Kurt Warner when Trent Green got injured)People look too much into preseason, when in all honesty not much is going on. The vets aren't really going all out or even playing, the main goal is to not get injured. The guys that go all out are the ones fighting for a starting position or a roster spot on the team.The other thing is that teams are very vanilla.....running base packages because they don't want to show other teams what they will run during the regular season. They also do this because mainly the veterens can absorb and actually execute these complex plays.Most FF owners that make all of these moves currently thinking they will get a super sleeper.....when he is just performing well in base packages against someone else's 3rd string.

Dont be rigid like stone. Be like water. Water is fluid and can take other forms yet it is hard enough to cut stone. That is to say be flexible. and trust what you are seeing. If a player is making the most of an opportunity and has the requisite requirements of the position then by all means add him. Most rosters have two or three bench spots that you can churn. You should also have in mind situations where you will happily interchange players at the end of your bench. Specific situations and reasons that is. Not just cause he's the new flavor. You can't ever stop thinking about how to improve your roster. Be it by trade or free agency. That goes for off-season, pre-season and in-season. Be like water

Can I mix some KoolAid in it or something? Water is pretty boring.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

When you can balance a tack hammer on your head, you will be able to head off a balanced attack.

 

[az_prof]

The basic idea of OP is correct--you have to be very careful because of vanilla offenses and players not playing at full tilt and backups going against bad defenses can inflate their stats.

But, it can be useful in the following situations:

1) starter is not clearly defined

2) assessing young players' progress or readiness for NFL

3) assessing how well a player has recovered from off season injury