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The Sky is Falling Syndrome (1 Viewer)

sdsjr3

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I've been a member on here since the "old" days but I don't post too often, I enjoy reading the posts more than anything. always great stuff here.

I notice this year, however, that there is more panic and knee-jerk reactions that I remember in the past. To date (that's 2 weeks BTW since the season started) I've seen posts such as LJ is a bust, SA won't be dominate, FBGs screwed me with their rankings, etc. You know what I mean because you've all seen them.

All I'm saying in this post is that in week 2, unless you've lost half your roster to injury or simply didn't know what you were doing when you drafted...you should have no reason to panic. And that's not a knock on anyone by the way. We ALL started as guppies at some point. I'm certainly no expert and I made plenty of mistakes this year and throughout the 12 years I've been doing this. Perfect example for me this year is Plummer. I waited till late in almost all my drafts and took him as a "value" pick. Hey, it was my choice. FBGs didn't make me do it, nor did the fantasy gods. It's rebounding from that mistake that makes the season successful and fun. A flyer on Pennington or Alex Smith suddenly I'm not so disgruntled anymore.

Naturally when there is money involved in many of our leagues and that adds to the stress level but a PERFECT example was last year in my 14 team redraft. I took Portis and despite going 1-4 out of the gate I built the team up around Portis, because I wasn't going to get his actual value in a trade at that point, with 1 or 2 shrewd trades and WW pickups. I ran the table to the championship game. Of course I got my butt kicked. Yet the season was a success to me.

I'm not trying to brag about anything here, I'm just saying that I see guys all the time dumping very good players for questionable at best guys on the free agent market and screw themselves by doing so. Patience in this game takes a while to acquire because it always seems like "I NEED to make a trade RIGHT NOW", but the reality is you don't. Probably 80% of the time (I'm guessing so don't blast me for that number) the cream tends to rise to the top if they start slowly (See Portis '05). And usually 1 or 2 of the flyers you took either late in the draft or off waivers in the first few weeks will pan out to be a solid performer.

And finally, and most importantly I think, I've seen plenty of teams over the years that started 0-3 or 1-4 make the playoffs. So again, being reactionary instead of cautious is a good way to ruin a solid team even though it may seem this week that the fantasy gods hate you and you have to trade Caddy NOW before his value goes even lower.

 
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But you've got to love when people panic... I just got Caddillac (whom I'm not totaly in love with, but I don't NEED him, so his upside it tantalizing) for Thomas Jones (my #4 RB)... it may be I'm wrong but 2 bad games don't a season make.

 
Well stated, sdsjr3. I started 1-3 in two leagues last year and made it to the championship game in each, winning one convincingly and losing one by two yards on Monday night. :doh:

My perspective is to try to place these weeks into the middle of the season and see how you might react. Sometimes your team hits a dry spell. It's more stressful when it happens right away, and you might need to take a gamble to kickstart your team but that shouldn't involve any of your top 3-4 picks.

 
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I agree there seems to more panicking than normal. I was 2-7 last year with Peyton, Tiki & LJ and saying "My team can't be this bad." Then I won every game from then out. Some players (Lundy) you can wonder about after 2 weeks. Some players (LJ) you don't. Smart players will stay with star players and make the playoffs. Panicking owners generally won't.

 
Well stated, sdsjr3. I started 1-3 in two leagues last year and made it to the championship game in each, winning one convincingly and losing one by two yards on Monday night. :doh: My perspective is to try to place these weeks into the middle of the season and see how you might react. Sometimes your team hits a dry spell. It's more stressful when it happens right away, and you might need to take a gamble to kickstart your team but that shouldn't involve any of your top 3-4 picks.
Extremely :goodposting: I sometimes wonder how serious some people are on here. There is a TON of buy low/sell high threads nowadays. As soon as a player has a good game you need to trade him immediately...and if somebody else has a player who has a bad game, GET HIM. Apparently the competition in every league is chomping at the bit to to trade away players who have a bad week for anybody on your team who has a good week.Maybe my leagues are boring but people in my leagues don't really flip out over a game. I have a hard time understanding it. I mean sure, I dropped Roy Williams for Gerian, but sometimes I think things get out of hand. :sarcasm:
 
I'm not trying to brag about anything here, I'm just saying that I see guys all the time dumping very good players for questionable at best guys on the free agent market and screw themselves by doing so. Patience in this game takes a while to acquire because it always seems like "I NEED to make a trade RIGHT NOW", but the reality is you don't. Probably 80% of the time (I'm guessing so don't blast me for that number) the cream tends to rise to the top if they start slowly (See Portis '05). And usually 1 or 2 of the flyers you took either late in the draft or off waivers in the first few weeks will pan out to be a solid performer.And finally, and most importantly I think, I've seen plenty of teams over the years that started 0-3 or 1-4 make the playoffs. So again, being reactionary instead of cautious is a good way to ruin a solid team even though it may seem this week that the fantasy gods hate you and you have to trade Caddy NOW before his value goes even lower.
:goodposting: It seems like too many people are looking for the next Isaac Bruce to emerge to prove their genious and that they knew all along. The bottom line is that it has been ten years since Issac burst on the scene from waiver wire to the #2 WR in fantasy points and in that ten years there have been very few guys to bust out for more than a few games in a row. Every season players have a series of games where they are huge and a few where they are small and it just so happens that LJ and SA have started their year with modest totals - if you can call 31 points by LJ modest. Although everyone likes to complain about the slow starts, those that own LJ or SA aren't willing to trade them for 60 cents on the dollar (i.e. for Chester Taylor or Warrick Dunn) and the reason for that is the ceiling for the true studs is much higher than everyone else and even at their worst they are within a couple of points a week of the next tier of guys you would trade them for.
 
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All I'm saying in this post is that in week 2, unless you've lost half your roster to injury or simply didn't know what you were doing when you drafted...you should have no reason to panic.
The panic stems from the fact that 90% of this board plays redraft.
 
Otis said:
This happens every year. Usually the guys who have been around a while know better.
:goodposting: Exactly. Last year I came out of the gate 2-4 in one of my redrafts. I had Manning and Marvin, Fitz, Smith and Tiki. It was Mannings super slow start coupled with some really bad luck of running into the highest scorers in my 4 losses. Needless to say I ran the table and won the league reeling off 10 straight wins including the Super Bowl. I was getting offers for Tiki, Fitz, Smith, Manning. I did not budge. I also picked up Eli after week one on the waiver wire so he got me through a bye week as well. This was a 12 teamer as well.
 
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I'll call myself out. yes, you're right. I've been doing this for over 15 years and I'm beside myself about Steve Smith - and I'm not the only one. you're exactly right. patience.

 
Slightly off-topic, but I must play in the only leagues in the world where trading dosen't happen very often. Maybe 10 trades or less the entire year.

Example: I have 3 solid QBs, and have been attempting to trade 1 for a backup tightend for my bye week this week, and I can't get a single taker, despite the trade being firmly in the the other guys corner. Some teams only have 1 marginal QB (14 team league) and yet won't trade an average TE for a good qb. Maybe eveyone else are in leagues where Caddys get traded for Donald Drivers on a weekly basis, but I sure haven't seen it.

 
I'll call myself out. yes, you're right. I've been doing this for over 15 years and I'm beside myself about Steve Smith - and I'm not the only one. you're exactly right. patience.
I see no reason not to panic if you own Steve Smith.Panic in the sense that I wouldn't trade him for a bum - but in the sense I would be worried that you made a "bad" pick with probably your 2nd rounder.
 
Good posting, but don't you think you should take your own advice and not overreact on Jake Plummer? I'm sure that both Smith and Pennington were probably ten spots lower than Plummer on your rankings, so are you overreacting to the first two weeks, or have you completely changed your rankings?

 
Good Post. But I'd add the caveat that the early weeks (1-2-3) are a GREAT time to build on your roster with quality free agents that slipped through the draft cracks. I'm always amazed scouring the waver wire and finding Def and K gems.

I agree that there's no need to panic, but there's never a bad time to comb through your league's rough and find the diamonds that other owners have missed.

 
It also funny to see dudes gloating 2 weeks into it. Will those players getting them off to a fast start do it every week over the course of the entire season? Odds are, no. My best teams have always been a nice mix of fast starters and stashed slow starters, or reserves who take over later in the year. The football season is a long slog.

 
sdsjr3 said:
I'm not trying to brag about anything here, I'm just saying that I see guys all the time dumping very good players for questionable at best guys on the free agent market and screw themselves by doing so. Patience in this game takes a while to acquire because it always seems like "I NEED to make a trade RIGHT NOW", but the reality is you don't. Probably 80% of the time (I'm guessing so don't blast me for that number) the cream tends to rise to the top if they start slowly (See Portis '05). And usually 1 or 2 of the flyers you took either late in the draft or off waivers in the first few weeks will pan out to be a solid performer.
Most of the leagues I play in use a waiver system for adding players. Every week, I hold off on picking up players on waivers immediately unless there's somebody I just HAVE to have. This doesn't happen too often since I'm generally satisifed with my draft (at least for the first couple of weeks).This way, I get to see all of the other owners panic and drop good players, and since they're all making waiver moves, I'm moving to the top of the list to get first crack at their castoffs. All it takes is one or two improvements to my roster and I'm in better shape. Already this year I picked up Keyshawn Johnson when somebody dropped him after week 1.
 
I'm curious what your 1-2 trades/WW moves were?

Anyway, I agree that overreacting on a good player like Jake Delhomme or Jake Plummer is unreasonable although if there's enough talent on your WW then it's not unreasonable to drop a #3 RB or #4 WR for a guy in hopes that he explodes (ala Samkon Gado last year.)

I think the issue is more dumping a top flight talent rather than dumping the mediocre talent that you don't have high expectations for, for the possible breakout WW guy/underperformer in a trade.

 
I love knee jerk reactions myself. It makes trading a ton of fun if you're willing to provide a shoulder to cry on and a mediocre offer.

It does seem like a lot of posts are out there alraedy about Alexander and the like. But if I was in a redraft for money I'd be second guessing that #2 pick that is barely over 100 yds total and has only 1 TD against two weak opponents. I guess I can see the concern, but I just believe that the Hawks (using Alexander as the example) will figure things out somehow. Thank God they have a weak division defensively.

 
I mentioned this same thing in a Steve Smith thread a while back. People take joy in seeing a key player injured or not performing who is not apart of their team because they feel it gets them one step closer to a championship. As a result, any little news that comes out in regards to that player is perpetuated as bad news. The Westbrook knee inflammation is a prime example, some were actually speculating it was a torn ACL just because Andy Reid was quiet on the matter. Utterly ridiculous.

 
Part of the reason people are so bent out of shape about Steve Smith is because most redrafts were conducted well after the injury. People drafted him knowing he was injured, knowing that aore hammys can linger, and knowing that he was not practicing. People are upset at themselves because they know they could of just as easily taken Fitz, Harrison, or Holt.

 
Good posting, but don't you think you should take your own advice and not overreact on Jake Plummer? I'm sure that both Smith and Pennington were probably ten spots lower than Plummer on your rankings, so are you overreacting to the first two weeks, or have you completely changed your rankings?
Actually I'm not "panicking" over Plummer at all. He's still rostered. Problem was that I drafted Brunell in the last round of a 14 teamer and felt a lot of discomfort in that twosome. I snatched Smith off waivers in that league and then one of the guys dropped Lefty after his "bad" first week :confused: so I took that opportunity. This particular league has been together for about 10 years I believe and "dumb" drops like that don't happen too often. So, between Jake, Smith and Lefty I think I'm in really good shape. Although to be completely honest I have a bad feeling about Plummer after this last game. Not dropping him yet though.In the other league that I have him I drafted Vick the round after I took Jake. Just wasn't high on Vick but MAN what a value pick that's turning out to be, and it was round 9 so I couldn't let Vick go. My faith in Jake rebounding cost me a W this past week in this league though. :cry: As for projections. I don't even bother with that until after week 3. Then at least I have an idea as to which defenses should play well and then I weigh talent/O-line, etc against that based on schedule. Past two years this has worked like a dream for me. I then target guys (like Droughns and Engram last year) who were undervalued, get them on the cheap, and reap the rewards. Notice I targeted "role"players to go along with the studs that I know will snap out of a funk if they are in one. Engram was a nice compliment to Rod Smith and Reggie Wayne in my 14 team league and Droughns was a nice compliment to Portis in the same league. Eli was a "sleeper" QB if want to call it that and I paired him with Plummer. I reached for Gates in ALL drafts last year and it worked out.
 
I whole heartedly agree with the sentiment in this thread. I’m a Caddy/Gore owner in my dynasty and the overwhelming opinion I get back from friends is that I should move both of them, Williams while he still has value left and Gore while he’s still high. It’s good to know I’m not alone in riding out the waves of the early season. The roster you’ve built should generally be based on what you think is going to happen throughout the bulk of the season, and after only two weeks I don’t understand how someone could throw their predictions under the bus. Maybe it's a result of people drafting based more and more on ADP and site rankings instead of their own gut and feeling, but it's kind of concerning.

I think it’s actually happening a lot more than before outside of fantasy, too. The common NFL discussion now seems to be, "How bad are the Panthers?" or, "Hey folks, don’t blame me, I didn’t pick the Panthers" from early-season prognosticators. You can replace Carolina with ___ team and the same holds true. The Super Bowl isn’t won or lost in September.

 
Good Post. But I'd add the caveat that the early weeks (1-2-3) are a GREAT time to build on your roster with quality free agents that slipped through the draft cracks. I'm always amazed scouring the waver wire and finding Def and K gems.I agree that there's no need to panic, but there's never a bad time to comb through your league's rough and find the diamonds that other owners have missed.
:goodposting: I agree wholeheartedly. Ala A. Smith and Colston who I've already rostered. Also, I mentioned in my previous post that one guy very surprisingly dropped Lefty so I now feel that I have a solid QB tandem (or threesome with Jake, Smith, Lefty) After week 1 I figured I'd wait to see what Jake did in week 2. This week I decide it was time to move on somebody. I'm sacrificing WR depth by carrying 3 QBs, but it'll work out. (16 man rosters)
 
I'm curious what your 1-2 trades/WW moves were?
I'm trying to remember. I know who I got back (Droughns and Engram) but I don't remember what I gave for them. Both were darn cheap at the time (around week 5 I think I got them) and Droughns was amazingly consistant down the stretch and Engram was solid as well as my WR3 along with my top 2 Wayne and R. Smith. Wasn't it around week 5 or 6 that Clinton went off? Droughns immediatly became a GREAT compliment to him as Clinton as very consistantly good from about week 6 on. Eli and Jake were a solid tandem at QB. WW move that mattered was picking up the Seattle D after week 1 or 2. Gates was and STILL is my starting TE in every league but one. My buddies think I have a serious case of man love for him. Maybe their right! :lmao:
 
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I'll call myself out. yes, you're right. I've been doing this for over 15 years and I'm beside myself about Steve Smith - and I'm not the only one. you're exactly right. patience.
I see no reason not to panic if you own Steve Smith.Panic in the sense that I wouldn't trade him for a bum - but in the sense I would be worried that you made a "bad" pick with probably your 2nd rounder.
I see your point, but I was willing to roll the dice at 2.12 in my 14-team redraft. btw, passed on Boldin, Wayne, Chambers and Moss...
 
I'll call myself out. yes, you're right. I've been doing this for over 15 years and I'm beside myself about Steve Smith - and I'm not the only one. you're exactly right. patience.
I see no reason not to panic if you own Steve Smith.Panic in the sense that I wouldn't trade him for a bum - but in the sense I would be worried that you made a "bad" pick with probably your 2nd rounder.
In redraft format...it's O.K. to panic. There is a good chance that S.Smith is going to miss 1/4 of the regular fantasy football season...that is reason for concern for your 1st or 2nd round pick.
 
I've been doing this for 16 years and still have no patience maybe that is why I'm on my third wife. My motto is if you are underacheiving you've got to go. Lamont Jordan has one foot out the door.

 

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