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THE sleeper tight end of 2005 will be... (1 Viewer)

RAIDERNATION.

RAIDERNATION.

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...whomever wins the training camp battle between Teyo Johnson and Doug Jolley.

Will defenses have anyone left to cover the TE? :shrug:

 
Teyo could be a huge FF TE if he wins that job outright.He's an Antonio Gates/Tony Gonzales type that can make big plays. Remember he was a WR/TE coming in to the league, he has WR type skills.In the Raider offense his upside is huge.

 
seriosly, turner called anderson best dual blocking/receiving threat, & best affords them the luxury of not tipping their hand so much about whether a pass or run play is coming... some scouts see a little gates in him... unusual skill set for a big man, was a prep hoopster & SPRINTER! hadn't he won the starting job b4 suffereing an in-season knee sprain? if not for that, i believe teyo may not have gotten his chance to show what he can do.i like george wrighster if he is cleared medically... he has top 10 potential evenually, & kiper rated him one of best receiving TEs in the '03 class, but he is admittedly better dynasty than redraft prospect.kris wilson could open some eyes in KC.not much of a sleeper, but putzier should have no trouble cracking top 10 & could do better.wiggins not a sleeper, but he isn't exactly a household name, & he re-signed... could see more balls without moss.jerramy stevens has the talent, & started to come on last season... though mili re-signing was not what his owners were hoping to see.

 
seriosly, turner called anderson best dual blocking/receiving threat, & best affords them the luxury of not tipping their hand so much about whether a pass or run play is coming... some scouts see a little gates in him... unusual skill set for a big man, was a prep hoopster & SPRINTER! hadn't he won the starting job b4 suffereing an in-season knee sprain? if not for that, i believe teyo may not have gotten his chance to show what he can do.

i like george wrighster if he is cleared medically... he has top 10 potential evenually, & kiper rated him one of best receiving TEs in the '03 class, but he is admittedly better dynasty than redraft prospect.

kris wilson could open some eyes in KC.

not much of a sleeper, but putzier should have no trouble cracking top 10 & could do better.

wiggins not a sleeper, but he isn't exactly a household name, & he re-signed... could see more balls without moss.

jerramy stevens has the talent, & started to come on last season... though mili re-signing was not what his owners were hoping to see.
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Courtney Anderson :thumbup:
 
one thing is for sure, whoever wins the raider TE job... & there will be some two TE sets... but i mean whoever wins the primary TE gig, will be running crazy wide open in the seam routes with defenses heavily distracted by moss, porter & sometimes curry.imo, jolley will not be in the mix, & anderson's superior size & in-line blocking potential combined with his athleticism make him the early favorite. teyo is of course a fantastic athlete (one of top two sport athlete recruits in nation as san diego QB & power forward, played on stanford hoop team... though not quite in curry's league as usa today's top football AND basketball player in the nation... al likes athletes), & it wouldn't shock me if he emerges. maybe he can work a little harder at blocking aspects to become a more complete player with more well rounded game... OR his formidable receiving & open field running chops which are admittedly superior to anderson compel the raiders to overlook his blocking weaknesses... but i doubt the latter scenario given turner's penchant for strong running game.scout frank coyle was extremely high on teyo... he had him as 4th rated WIDE RECEIVER, which was the highest i saw of any national scout... most had him as TE which he was projected to as pro & was in fact drafted for. teyo is exciting when he has the ball in his hands, & looked good last pre-season... OK, everybody looks good in pre-season. :^)but CBs & undersized safeties lacking in strength will find teyo is a handfull in the openfield... it should take a few DBs to bring him down. he has a nasty stiff arm & spin move, very nifty feet & excellent change of direction skills... a rare case where you actually don't even need to use the stock, boiler-plate... "for a big man" qualifier.EDIT/ADD - how could i forget troupe, sparty? :^)... especially if he becomes a focal point in chow offense with mason moving one, bennett unproven as WR1 & calico maybe having balky knees... mcnair could come back strong, & they may not be able to count on chris brown to carry load.his signature hurdling play worries me... billy sims had a short career, maybe in part because he got upended a few too many times... than again, ben is a lot bigger than billy & can actually jump OVER prospective tacklers. :^) guess its OK if you have the talent to get away with it, but defenders may get wise to that move after a few times & start tackling him a little higher. the TEN/DEN game was great... the look of surprise on champ bailey's face was priceless when he went down low to tackle him... & he wasn't there. now you see me, now you don't. he didn't even lay so much as a finger on him.

 
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Maybe you dont realize how it works.In man defense, the LB would cover the TE in most cases.Yup Raidernation, this offesen will have 4 1000 receivers and a 2000 yard back. It will be the best offense ever assembled. :rolleyes:

 
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anderson/teyo could be mismatches against most LBs, being more agile & quick than most... excepting julian peterson-types, of which there aren't many.and in zone coverage, zones can be flooded... the need to stay over the top of moss & porter on sideline routes could leave the deep middle open.

 
Marcus Pollard seems to be a good candidate for the 2005 sleeper TE

 
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Troupe - sorry guys, not a sleeper, he's the 10th ranked TE on this board, I agree he could do better, but not a sleeperKris Wilson - if no WR is brought in, can be a top 20, maybe higherLJ Smith - unless your league slept through the Super Bowl, not a sleeper, even less of a sleeper than Troupe due to the Super BowlCourtney Anderson - perhaps, just keep in mind that of the top 10 TEs last year, only Wiggins and Franks played with a top 16 WR; is Collins suddenly going to spread the ball around better than any other QB? Even Peyton couldn't get Dallas Clark above the #15 TE. Now if by sleeper you mean "almost starting caliber" then sure. Pollard - see above

 
Troupe might not be the classic sleeper, but he'd be my vote to improve the most from 2004 to 2005 in the fantasy points scored column.Otherwise, I'd consider Eric Edwards a decent (deep) sleeper.I also agree that Courtney Anderson could be a nice player in '05. He'll have competition in Jolley and Teyo which could keep his draft position very low (if not undrafted in some leagues). He was well on his way to producing better than both of those players before injuries shortened his rookie season, so nothing to think he can't beat them out for the starting gig and pick up where he left off.The best deep sleeper could be Ben Utecht. He's a classic pass catching TE who didn't make it onto the field last year. It's a Ben-thing.. another player that could still emerge from his injury funk might be Benny Joppru. Ben Watson, Ben Troupe, Ben Utecht, Benny Joppru. The Big Bens from the Big Ten bear watching as early season free agent wire pickups, while Troupe and Watson probably won't be true value picks in most leagues.

 
The best deep sleeper could be Ben Utecht. He's a classic pass catching TE who didn't make it onto the field last year. It's a Ben-thing.. another player that could still emerge from his injury funk might be Benny Joppru.

Ben Watson, Ben Troupe, Ben Utecht, Benny Joppru. The Big Bens from the Big Ten bear watching as early season free agent wire pickups, while Troupe and Watson probably won't be true value picks in most leagues.
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I admit I may have it wrong, but I thought the other Ben in Indy was the better receiver. FWIW, I agree that Joppru is a sleeper, he just has to stay healthy.

 
The best deep sleeper could be Ben Utecht. He's a classic pass catching TE who didn't make it onto the field last year. It's a Ben-thing.. another player that could still emerge from his injury funk might be Benny Joppru.

Ben Watson, Ben Troupe, Ben Utecht, Benny Joppru. The Big Bens from the Big Ten bear watching as early season free agent wire pickups, while Troupe and Watson probably won't be true value picks in most leagues.
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I admit I may have it wrong, but I thought the other Ben in Indy was the better receiver. FWIW, I agree that Joppru is a sleeper, he just has to stay healthy.
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Hartsock is the better blocker, Utecht is a better WR and more able to get open downfield. Of course, Hartsock showed he could be a reliable short yardage target last year filling in for Pollard, too.
 
The best deep sleeper could be Ben Utecht. He's a classic pass catching TE who didn't make it onto the field last year. It's a Ben-thing.. another player that could still emerge from his injury funk might be Benny Joppru.

Ben Watson, Ben Troupe, Ben Utecht, Benny Joppru. The Big Bens from the Big Ten bear watching as early season free agent wire pickups, while Troupe and Watson probably won't be true value picks in most leagues.
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I admit I may have it wrong, but I thought the other Ben in Indy was the better receiver. FWIW, I agree that Joppru is a sleeper, he just has to stay healthy.
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Hartsock is the better blocker, Utecht is a better WR and more able to get open downfield. Of course, Hartsock showed he could be a reliable short yardage target last year filling in for Pollard, too.
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Ok, I've seen more Hartsock in college than Utecht, he seemed to be a complete TE. With Clark and the WR trio, wouldn't it make more sense to use Hartsock in 2 TE sets than Utecht?EDIT - yeah, I'm trying to get the thread away from "Oakland ROCKS!". ;)

 
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Teyo could be a huge FF TE if he wins that job outright.

He's an Antonio Gates/Tony Gonzales type that can make big plays. Remember he was a WR/TE coming in to the league, he has WR type skills.

In the Raider offense his upside is huge.
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But Teyo's problem is that he is not a willing blocker. With the weapons they have at WR (Moss, Porter, Curry) I would think they would want somebody with better blocking skills than Johnson to get a majority of the snaps.
 
The best deep sleeper could be Ben Utecht. He's a classic pass catching TE who didn't make it onto the field last year. It's a Ben-thing.. another player that could still emerge from his injury funk might be Benny Joppru.

Ben Watson, Ben Troupe, Ben Utecht, Benny Joppru. The Big Bens from the Big Ten bear watching as early season free agent wire pickups, while Troupe and Watson probably won't be true value picks in most leagues.
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I admit I may have it wrong, but I thought the other Ben in Indy was the better receiver. FWIW, I agree that Joppru is a sleeper, he just has to stay healthy.
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Hartsock is the better blocker, Utecht is a better WR and more able to get open downfield. Of course, Hartsock showed he could be a reliable short yardage target last year filling in for Pollard, too.
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Ok, I've seen more Hartsock in college than Utecht, he seemed to be a complete TE. With Clark and the WR trio, wouldn't it make more sense to use Hartsock in 2 TE sets than Utecht?
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Valid point indeed and you may be right. I guess at this stage in the off-season - with the emphasis on scouting, talent and the draft - I was looking at it more from an athletic point of view. I think Utecht is a better receiver, but that's not a knock on Hartsock. As you point out, Hartsock could very well earn more playing time as the blocking TE with Clark being utilized as a receiver and "H-back". Then again, knowing Clark persistent injury problems Utecht could inevitably be the bigger sleeper and ultimately a great pickup for spot duty at some point, while Hartsock may end up being the more consistent of the two in terms of fantasy production.All said it's going to be touch and go with both of the Indy Bens.. Clark should get the majority of the numbers, but Manning spreads it around so much that ultimately could work against Clark as far as consistency and aid Hartsock/Utecht.

 
Tim Euhus, Buf

Inexperienced QBs tend to key on ther TEs as safety valves. Could well repeat here with Losman under center.

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OVERVIEW

Tremendous leader and team player who sacrificed personal success for that of the team during his career with the Beavers … Considered to be one of the best pass-catching tight ends in the collegiate ranks, Euhus started 37 consecutive games while playing in 49 contests at OSU … A fine all-around athlete, he also competed for the school's basketball team as a freshman … For his career, he hauled in 98 passes for 1,346 yards (13.7 avg.) and nine touchdowns … Only Phil Ross (153 for 1,827 yards, 1985-89) had more catches and receiving yards by a tight end in school history … Has the distinction of earning a letter in basketball (1999-2000) at OSU before earning a letter in football, even though he was on a football scholarship … The last dual football-basketball letterman at OSU was another tight end, Justin Moore, who lettered in basketball as well as football in 1996.

ANALYSIS

Positives: Has a rangy, angular build with the ability to add at least 15 more pounds with no loss of speed … Comes off the line with adequate quickness when running long routes and runs hard all the time, using his leg drive and stiff-arm to run through tacklers … Knows how to use his hands to avoid the jam at the line of scrimmage and weaves through the under-coverage to sink down nicely for the ball … Has good knee bend and hip swerve, using his frame to push and leverage defenders getting into his routes … Capable of making sharp cuts and shows a good relationship with the quarterback, knowing when to come back to find the seam in the short zone when the passer is flushed out of the pocket looking for secondary targets … Presents a good-sized target over the middle and soft hands to ease the ball into his body … Has the body control to get to the off-target throws, especially doing a nice job down field of locking the ball in over his shoulders … Maintains concentration going for the pass in traffic, showing willingness to sacrifice his body to get to the pigskin … Shows good determination to get to the ball when running the seams and has enough athletic ability to get down field and be a threat on long routes … Athletic jumper with good body control, showing ability to frame off-target passes and make the tough catches with defenders draped all over him … Shows a solid leg base, knee bend and face-up determination when asked to block in the short area (more of a finesse blocker).

Negatives: Needs to add more bulk to his frame, one that can also use better muscle tone … Flashes some quickness off the snap (better when lined wide for longer routes), but he is not a sudden mover … Makes sharp cuts in his routes, but lacks explosion … Does not have the speed needed to consistently burst coming out of his breaks … Shows good blocking technique, but does not generate the ideal strength needed to prevent from getting run over by the larger, more physical defenders (gets tossed around quite a bit when trying to drive block or anchor) … Can jump for the ball, if needed, but needs to do a better job of timing his leaps … Must protect the ball better before heading up field (carries the ball too loose, resulting in fumbles).

AGILITY TESTS

4.73 in the 40-yard dash (indoor track) … 4.85 in the 40-yard dash (outdoors) … Bench presses 375 pounds … 465-pound squat … 336-pound power clean … 358-pound push press … 34-inch vertical jump … 34 ?-inch arm length … 9 ?-inch hands … Right-handed
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Dallas Clark. He will need to be taken higher than most listed in this thread, but the Colts TEs caught 58 passes for 765 yards and 11 Tds last year. I see Hartstock getting some love, but to see Clark catch 50 for 650+ and 8 or more TDs wouldn't suprise me in the least. More of a Bubba Franks type than a field stretcher, but he could get some nice TD numbers.COlin

 
I will be targeting Wiggins. He played well last year in the games he played. Without Moss, there should be more balls - and yardage - to go around. The contrarian might say that he did well last year because Moss was the focus of the coverage. But, I think Wiggins will be a solid TE5-9 drafted late.

 
Dallas Clark. He will need to be taken higher than most listed in this thread, but the Colts TEs caught 58 passes for 765 yards and 11 Tds last year. I see Hartstock getting some love, but to see Clark catch 50 for 650+ and 8 or more TDs wouldn't suprise me in the least. More of a Bubba Franks type than a field stretcher, but he could get some nice TD numbers.

COlin
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I couldn't agree more, if the question was which TE will make the jump from half way descent to possible probowl consideration, Dallas Clark would be at the top of my list.
 
Teyo could be a huge FF TE if he wins that job outright.

He's an Antonio Gates/Tony Gonzales type that can make big plays. Remember he was a WR/TE coming in to the league, he has WR type skills.

In the Raider offense his upside is huge.
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I don't know why I have to keep making this point, but if catching footballs is a WR skill, Teyo Johnson doesn't have it. His best year in college, he had 450 yards receiving.
 
Troupe - sorry guys, not a sleeper, he's the 10th ranked TE on this board, I agree he could do better, but not a sleeper

Kris Wilson - if no WR is brought in, can be a top 20, maybe higher

LJ Smith - unless your league slept through the Super Bowl, not a sleeper, even less of a sleeper than Troupe due to the Super Bowl

Courtney Anderson - perhaps, just keep in mind that of the top 10 TEs last year, only Wiggins and Franks played with a top 16 WR; is Collins suddenly going to spread the ball around better than any other QB? Even Peyton couldn't get Dallas Clark above the #15 TE. Now if by sleeper you mean "almost starting caliber" then sure.

Pollard - see above
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I guess I was looking at it from an auction viewpoint. I can get these guys for a $1 while the other teams pay between $5-$10 for Gonzales, Heap, Gates, Shockey and Crumpler.Plus, I don't play in a dynasty league, so i really don't know what board you're talking about. I 've never seen any 10-12 team redraft top 20 list for tight ends on this board OZ!

So for me they are sleepers as they will be picked lated in a draft or at much lower costs but hope to get close production to the bigger producers. Also, neither of these guys finished in the top 10 TE scoring in my leagues last year.

 
Stephen Alexander.........if this broke mfer can keep it together in Denver.
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Funny ... I was going to respond to this poll by saying:"I'll tell you who it won't be .... Stephen Alexander"!

I'm amazed this guy still has a job. Has he played 4 quarters of football in the last 5 years?(sarcasm).

 
Dallas Clark is top 5 material IMO.

Later round material sleepers include Ben Troupe and Putzier.
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dallas clark is only top 5 material if you think ben hartsock is only going to catch 5 or 10 passes this year.combined stats from clark and pollard last year:

54 rec 732 yds 11 TDs

you have to assume clark will get 80% of that for him to finish top 5.

 
What about a NO TE?They signed Shad Meier this off season. Didn't NO tell Boo he could seek a trade? I have no idea what type of player Shad Meier is so maybe some Tennessee fan can help answer this. Is he a blocker type of TE or a combo blocker/receiver?

 
Dallas Clark is top 5 material IMO.

Later round material sleepers include Ben Troupe and Putzier.
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dallas clark is only top 5 material if you think ben hartsock is only going to catch 5 or 10 passes this year.combined stats from clark and pollard last year:

54 rec 732 yds 11 TDs

you have to assume clark will get 80% of that for him to finish top 5.
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That is about right Bloom. He's going to blossom/bloom this year.
 
Dallas Clark is top 5 material IMO.

Later round material sleepers include Ben Troupe and Putzier.
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dallas clark is only top 5 material if you think ben hartsock is only going to catch 5 or 10 passes this year.combined stats from clark and pollard last year:

54 rec 732 yds 11 TDs

you have to assume clark will get 80% of that for him to finish top 5.
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You're right on those percentages, and I would guess that Clark will get 80% of the TE action in INDY. I'll also agree with the pg 1 info that if Clark misses time with another injury, Utecht will fill his role and Hartstock will stay as a bolcking first - receiving second option.
 
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What about a NO TE?

They signed Shad Meier this off season. Didn't NO tell Boo he could seek a trade?

I have no idea what type of player Shad Meier is so maybe some Tennessee fan can help answer this. Is he a blocker type of TE or a combo blocker/receiver?
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Not sure what type of player Meier is, but they also have a deeeeeppp sleeper at TE there named Zach Hilton whom I've read they really like.
 
What about a NO TE?

They signed Shad Meier this off season.  Didn't NO tell Boo he could seek a trade?

I have no idea what type of player Shad Meier is so maybe some Tennessee fan can help answer this.  Is he a blocker type of TE or a combo blocker/receiver?
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Not sure what type of player Meier is, but they also have a deeeeeppp sleeper at TE there named Zach Hilton whom I've read they really like.
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I never heard his name before. I just looked him up and he has been on the team for two years. In those two years he apeared in 3 games. Don't know anything more than that. What is keeping him back from being a full time starter?
 
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