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The TO Cowboy ERA has begun (1 Viewer)
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What has wrecked? Looked like a great practice from what I could see. 
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Someone found the train crash smiley.
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TO is like that psycho girl that your buddies warned you about but because she was so hawt you thought "I'll turn her around". Next thing you are thinking "Why in the hell didn't I listen to my friends?"I wonder how many games will it be before the Cowboy's organization goes WTF did we get into here?What has wrecked? Looked like a great practice from what I could see.
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oukurt
Footballguy
You must have been watching a different NFL than me over the last handful of seasons if you think TO doesn't improve an offense.Ticket sales? Somehow I think JJ is more interested in trying to get to another Super Bowl.
Could TO lose his mind and disrupt things? Yep
Could TO behave and take Dallas deep into the playoffs? Yep
Again a risk I am willing to live with.
Only time will tell. I am looking forward to the season.
oukurt
Footballguy
Cough *Fred Biletnikoff Lynn Swann Jerry Rice Deion Branch Hines Ward Desmond Howard* CoughEdit to cough*TO's performance in the Super Bowl vs the Pats coming off a broken leg was pretty important. McNabb puking all over the field in the 4th quarter is what killed the Eagles that day.*cough
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When has TO improved and made a team better then?
More importantly, if TO is so great, why is he playing on this 10th team? Unless I'm mistaken, why would a team let someone go who wins games for them?
10th? 3rd, and oh have you ever heard, 3rd times the charm? I agree with Joe regarding the original post, where is the train wreck?
Ssssshhhhh.... I'll talk him WR3.
More importantly, if TO is so great, why is he playing on this 10th team? Unless I'm mistaken, why would a team let someone go who wins games for them?
10th? 3rd, and oh have you ever heard, 3rd times the charm? I agree with Joe regarding the original post, where is the train wreck?
Ssssshhhhh.... I'll talk him WR3.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Interesting post here.If you had a choice of replacing one of each of these pairs with a league average backup, which would you replace?
1974-75: Terry Bradshaw/Lynn Swann
1976: Ken Stabler/Fred Biletnikoff
1984: Joe Montana/Jerry Rice
1988-89: Joe Montana/Jerry Rice
1996: Brett Favre/Desmond Howard
2001,03-04: Tom Brady/Deion Branch
2005: Ben R/Hines Ward
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Sinrman
Footballguy
Personally, I'd be willing to take the risk on TO this year. Sure, he's burned two bridges, with SF and Philly. But they allowed it to get to the point of no return, and didn't take him to task until it was too late. Parcells and Jerry Jones will never let it get to that point. They've seen him play before, and what his potential is, and that's what they are counting on. They will have him on a short leash this year, and I'm quite sure they have made this ABUNDANTLY clear to him.
OK point taken 
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Favre/Brady are no brainers. I'd take Stabler '76 over Biletnikoff '76 as well.Also... Montana won a SB while Rice was still in college.
I have heard and read that the deal Owens got, was essentially 3, 1 years deals. Basically, they can get out whichever year he loses it.My only opinion of Owens is that I just think it would be so much sweeter to win one without him, then win won with him.
On the other hand, getting number 6 is worth it!
DonnyT33
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IMO no train wreck coming guys..i had the feeling when TO was not talking or yapping to the media for quite some time now that he is taking a new approach to his game into Dallas. I am sure Parcells had spoke with him and just watching his first interviews in awhile tonight you can just tell he is being serious about doing the right thing and not talking like a jerk anymore. I just have the feeling this is going to continue and Dallas is going to be one tough team to deal with this year.
CA_7
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I'll wait for now. If I was a Dallas fan I'd be pretty leary....McNabb is just a little bit more mobile that Bledsoe. If the Cowpokes go on a little run of games, where Bledsoe spends lots of time on his back, I'll be waiting eagerly for a classic TO blowup......disclamier: I'm a huge Redskins fan, and hate Dallas. But I love to see a good Dallas team, makes it sweeter when we sweep you again this year......
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I'm mildly surprised to see that Cowboy fans are so uniformly willing to whore their allegiance for a chance at a playoff run.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Nice catch.
glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Because uniformly they all condemned him for his star antics and for his antics at Philly. When you have judged someone a worthless whore that judgment should not change just because it now accepts your money. If you don't see that they have sold something that's fine. Seems many nowadays claim to observe sports without passion. They advocate it's nothing more than a business. Maybe. The problem with that is that's not true. The central place sport occupies in our lives is testified to by the sports page, ESPN, the stadium in your local town, and perhaps even jerseys in your closet. You are here talking sport. Likely then you have passion. That passion came from admiration and respect for tradition for most of us, not from observing a business. (I doubt anyone here has an IBM jersey in the closet) The 'Boys just exchanged part of their lore for a whore. The fans who embrace that are whores themselves IMO.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
There is in my mind a difference between merely accepting in free agency those who change uniforms, and embracing those who were not just rivals, but who tried to turn the business personal. In my mind it doesn't go both ways. You can't attempt to make something personal and then say it never happened.I'm a Packer fan. I would embrace the team getting Urlacher. He is a fierce competitor for a bitter rival. If they ever tried to bring Javon Walker back after he said he would never put on the uniform again I would walk away. One's business, one's personal.
CalBear
Footballguy
Jeff Garcia won that game, not TO; when TO scored his second TD, the Niners were still down by 17. And TO followed it up with 4 receptions for 35 yards.In fact, except for that game, TO has averaged 62 yards per game in the playoffs, with two TDs in 8 other games. Even if you include that game, his playoff stats are not particularly impressive.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Crazy like a fox! 
bostonfred
Footballguy
Actually, the second touchdown wasn't the end of Owens' game winning performance. After Owens scored his second touchdown, he also went on to catch two two point conversions. He scored ten points in a 24 point comeback on three end zone receptions. He also caught two passes for thirty yards in the field goal drive. Owens contributed to 19 of the 41 points they scored (two TDs, two 2pt conversions, and a field goal) while certainly drawing coverage away from Stokes, Johnson and co. He also was on the sidelines trying to rally his teammates when it looked like the rest of the team had given up. Oh, and by the way, he was recovering from an injury that had taken him out of the last two games of the season.
I know it doesn't mesh with people's preconceived notions of Owens, but that was leadership, plain and simple.
1) That was only his second playoff game without Rice, and he was coming back from injury. Of course it was his first dominant WR1 performance. 2)
at including his 1 catch for 7 yards in his rookie season. Then again, his 4/49/1 and 6/100 in his second season, and his 3/71/1 and 8/73 in his third season were pretty solid performances, no?And what about his return from injury against the Patriots, putting up 9 catches for 122 yards when nobody thought he'd be able to play? He gutted out for his team once again.
3) The three games that brought down his average were 1 catch for 7 yards as a rookie, and two 4 catch games for 40 and 35 yards. Other than that, he's looked excellent in the playoffs. Here's Owens' playoff numbers
Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
1996 phi W,14-0 | 0 0 0 | 1 7 0
1997 min W,38-22 | 0 0 0 | 4 49 1
1997 gnb L,10-23 | 0 0 0 | 6 100 0
1998 gnb W,30-27 | 0 0 0 | 3 73 1
1998 atl L,18-20 | 0 0 0 | 8 73 0
2001 gnb L,15-25 | 0 0 0 | 4 40 0
2002 nyg W,39-38 | 0 0 0 | 9 177 2
2002 tam L,6-31 | 0 0 0 | 4 35 0
*2004 nwe L,21-24 | 0 0 0 | 9 122 0
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 0 0 0 | 48 676 4
Compare that with Marvin Harrison:
Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
1996 pit L,14-42 | 0 0 0 | 3 71 0
1999 ten L,16-19 | 0 0 0 | 5 65 0
2000 mia L,17-23 | 0 0 0 | 5 63 0
2002 nyj L,0-41 | 0 0 0 | 4 47 0
2003 den W,41-10 | 0 0 0 | 7 133 2
2003 kan W,38-31 | 0 0 0 | 6 98 0
2003 nwe L,14-24 | 0 0 0 | 3 19 0
2004 den W,49-24 | 0 0 0 | 4 50 0
2004 nwe L,3-20 | 0 0 0 | 5 44 0
2005 pit L,18-21 | 0 0 0 | 3 52 0
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 0 0 0 | 45 642 2
CalBear
Footballguy
Is Marvin Harrison really the guy you think of when you think of a WR that leads his team? Because, you know, Harrison has had no more success in the playoffs than Manning has, and Manning gets hit for being weak in the playoffs all the time.If you compare Owens' playoff numbers to Rice or Moss, it's not even close.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Randy Moss Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
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1998 ari W,41-21 | 0 0 0 | 4 73 1
1998 atl L,27-30 | 0 0 0 | 6 75 1
1999 dal W,27-10 | 0 0 0 | 5 127 1
1999 ram L,37-49 | 0 0 0 | 9 188 2
2000 nor W,34-16 | 0 0 0 | 2 121 2
2000 nyg L,0-41 | 0 0 0 | 2 18 0
2004 gnb W,31-17 | 0 0 0 | 4 70 2
2004 phi L,14-27 | 0 0 0 | 3 51 0
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 0 0 0 | 35 723 9
Terrell Owens
Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
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1996 phi W,14-0 | 0 0 0 | 1 7 0
1997 min W,38-22 | 0 0 0 | 4 49 1
1997 gnb L,10-23 | 0 0 0 | 6 100 0
1998 gnb W,30-27 | 0 0 0 | 3 73 1
1998 atl L,18-20 | 0 0 0 | 8 73 0
2001 gnb L,15-25 | 0 0 0 | 4 40 0
2002 nyg W,39-38 | 0 0 0 | 9 177 2
2002 tam L,6-31 | 0 0 0 | 4 35 0
*2004 nwe L,21-24 | 0 0 0 | 9 122 0
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 0 0 0 | 48 676 4
Looks like Owens has a significant edge on receptions, Moss has a slight edge on yards, and Moss has a significant edge on TDs.
Moss had two very similar games to Owens' worst games, with 3 for 51 and 2 for 18 performances, compared with Owens' 4 for 40 and 4 for 35.
Moss certainly had more TDs, but Owens played hurt in the playoffs, contributed mightily to a playoff comeback against the Giants, and almost pulled off a Superbowl comeback against the dynasty Patriots.
I wouldn't say "Not even close".
But if your point is that Owens isn't as good as Rice, you win. I've never said he's the greatest WR to play the game. Nor have I said he's a significantly better receiver than Moss.
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cowboyz
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wtf are you talking about, claiming to observe sports without passion for tradition? not from observing a business?how about passion for play on the field, for good competition, for winning, for entertainment and ignoring the business side. people that watch too much espn and care more about what players say than they do are the corporate media whores. they slurp up all the drama and make the business personal as if they're the owners making the money. they should learn to care more about the sport, then the drama and contract negotiations.
cowboys fans have passion for winning. apparently haters have passion for drama. they should stop watching football and start watching telenovelas.
fatness
Footballguy
It's not, really. It's a calculated risk. Every team has signed players previously-disliked by their fans or players. Owens is just high-profile, so the dislike is more widespread than with most others.I think he'll behave OK until either
it becomes clear the Cowboys are falling out of the playoff hunt
or
next year, which probably doesn't start with as big a bonus as this year
And then I think we'll see the same old disruption. I don't think he's got the ability to control himself when he isn't getting what he wants.
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
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