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The "Tuck Rule" revisited (1 Viewer)
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firstseason1988
Footballguy
Link?Do they just not say "tuck rule"? Or was this a matter of interpretation that his arm was moving forward to pass again? But doesn't "tuck" mean he is tucking it in? What am I missing?
DropKick
Footballguy
The call was made before and since... usually the announcer will mention the tuck rule game when it happens.The forward pass begins when the arm goes forward. This is well documented. Less understood is the end of the attempt to pass - and it has nothing to do with intent. Until the QB tucks the ball back to the body (hence the name), it is still considered the act of passing. So, the way it is worded, a QB can decide not to release the ball and lose it while bringing it back to the body and still be an incomplete pass. Although clearly (to you and me) there is no intent to pass... it is the way the rule is worded.Link?Do they just not say "tuck rule"? Or was this a matter of interpretation that his arm was moving forward to pass again? But doesn't "tuck" mean he is tucking it in? What am I missing?
firstseason1988
Footballguy
Link? For the record, I watch a ton of games. I haven't seen it before or since.
freakinback
Footballguy
Do your own homework.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
For the record, you are lazy.
Link to NFL.com game 2001 week 2Many NE fans remember it because
1) It was the first time that they had seen the call made
2) It is the game where Bledsoe got knocked out, and Brady came in.
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rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
You are seemingly missing a lot. Do you ask for links every time you are ignorant about a topic?NYT Article about the previously mentioned playoff game from this year.Link?Do they just not say "tuck rule"? Or was this a matter of interpretation that his arm was moving forward to pass again? But doesn't "tuck" mean he is tucking it in? What am I missing?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22tuck+rule%22+chiefs+ravensLink?Do they just not say "tuck rule"? Or was this a matter of interpretation that his arm was moving forward to pass again? But doesn't "tuck" mean he is tucking it in? What am I missing?
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Garrett
Footballguy
<raider fan>
Head slap? Yeah.
Incomplete pass? No.
Likely called as a fumble in most regular season games? Yeah, probably would be.
NFL conspiracy? No.
That call didn't cost Oakland the game. It definitely did not go their way, but there was still a lot of football to be played after that point. It sucks something that close came up in a playoff game, but they are on the road so what can you expect?
Would that turnover have won the game for Oakland? Yes, obviously.
Did it cost Oakland the game? No, their play on the field from that point until the final whistle did.
</raider fan>
Head slap? Yeah.
Incomplete pass? No.
Likely called as a fumble in most regular season games? Yeah, probably would be.
NFL conspiracy? No.
That call didn't cost Oakland the game. It definitely did not go their way, but there was still a lot of football to be played after that point. It sucks something that close came up in a playoff game, but they are on the road so what can you expect?
Would that turnover have won the game for Oakland? Yes, obviously.
Did it cost Oakland the game? No, their play on the field from that point until the final whistle did.
</raider fan>
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'm a Dolphins fan that loathes the Patriots, but this is a terrible fishing trip.
The reason no one is presenting examples of individual tuck rules is because it happens frequently enough that it's not even something you remember.
Quick, give me an example of a clipping call from the last 5 years.
The tuck rule happens probably a dozen times a year. The rule basically just says that once the QBs arm starts going forward, if it comes out before he complete his throwing motion (all the way back to tucking it in) then it is an incomplete pass. That means that even if it looks obvious that it was the QBs intent to abort his pass and tuck the ball, intent does not matter and once that arm starts going forward, it's an incomplete pass unless he has completely tucked it.
This happens all the time, where the QB loses the ball after the point where he would normally release a pass (meaning it's visually obvious that he intended to hold onto the ball and not throw it) but before he's actually completed tucking the ball, and it is always ruled an incomplete pass.
The reason no one is presenting examples of individual tuck rules is because it happens frequently enough that it's not even something you remember.
Quick, give me an example of a clipping call from the last 5 years.
The tuck rule happens probably a dozen times a year. The rule basically just says that once the QBs arm starts going forward, if it comes out before he complete his throwing motion (all the way back to tucking it in) then it is an incomplete pass. That means that even if it looks obvious that it was the QBs intent to abort his pass and tuck the ball, intent does not matter and once that arm starts going forward, it's an incomplete pass unless he has completely tucked it.
This happens all the time, where the QB loses the ball after the point where he would normally release a pass (meaning it's visually obvious that he intended to hold onto the ball and not throw it) but before he's actually completed tucking the ball, and it is always ruled an incomplete pass.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Only issue I ever had with this most famous of tuck rule plays is, the ball was in BOTH of his hands when knocked out. His left hand was back on the ball and IMO, the throwing motion was over with at that point. The END of the throwing motion hasn't been defined, and I thought this one went beyond the need for a definition.
firstseason1988
Footballguy
firstseason1988
Footballguy
Yeah, okay, I see that. But Brady's arm came to a stop. I am seeing this wrong? Not fishing. No horse in this race, I just remember it being a terrible overturn. His forward motion stopped. So the "tuck rule" is your arm going forward to pass?
Donsmith753
Footballguy
If Calvin Johnson versus the bears had happened at the end of a playoff game it may have its own special name too.
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firstseason1988
Footballguy
So the "tuck rule" is not really a rule, just a name for the interpretation of Tom Brady's overturned call of his arm going forward to pass?
Donsmith753
Footballguy
That was my understanding. In the rule book it won't say "tuck rule" it'll just explain it.
