Technically this whole thread is opinion. It is merely opinion to state that Democrats represent minorities, but the fact that minorities vote for Democrats illustrates that just like the fact the whites mostly votes for Republicans show which party they feel represent their interests. Now if you want a citation, here. But it is just the obvious truth.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Oh, I think people can make an assertion to how democrats represent a position and then back it up. And you have gone from it’s obvious fact to it’s all opinion. Which is fine if you want to post your opinion just don’t do so as if it’s fact.
I think people have posted that they believe the diverse group of legislators can better represent a diverse constituency than a group that is less doverse. IMO there is merit to that opinion.
As for your citation...you posted an opinion article full of opinions...that is not fact. HTH But at least you made an effort.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Democrats are giving up on white men. That's a big mistake.
Andrew L. Yarrow, Opinion contributorPublished 5:00 a.m. ET Oct. 18, 2018
While the majority of whites vote Republican, the percentage of whites voting for the Democratic party increased from 2014 and 2016 to 2018.jon_mx said:
2014 Exit Polls for US House
RACE
CATEGORY TOTAL DEMOCRAT REPUBLICAN
White 75% 38% 60%
Black 12% 89% 10%
Hispanic 8% 62% 36%
Asian 3% 49% 50%
Other 2% 49% 47%
2016 Exit Polls for US House
Race
total democrat republican other/no answer
white 71% 38% 60% 2%
black 12% 88% 10% 2%
latino 11% 67% 32% 1%
asian 4% 65% 34% 1%
other 3% 56% 41% 3%
2018 Exit Polls for US House
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Race
Total Democrat Republican No Answer
White 72% 44% 54% 2%
Black 11% 90% 9% 1%
Latino 11% 69% 29% 2%
Asian 3% 77% 23% N/A
Other 3% 54% 42% 4%You data is apple to oranges. A mid-term with a Democrat President, a general, and a mid-term with a GOP President. I am talking presidential elections and the long-term trend, where you have Bill Clinton getting 49 percent of the white vote to the last couple elections where Obama and Hillary were seeing 39 percent. That is the apples to apples long-term downward trend the Democrats are seeing losing the white vote.
Of course, it is all opinion. What is the point? You really believe that Democrats are representing rural and white America? Really? OK, I forget this is PSF cesspool where basic truthful observations of Democrats are denied.
cosjobs
Footballguy
No it isn't all opinion. There are also factual articles with real, empirical data.
I think the Democrats very much represent rural and white American financially.
Unfortunatey rural, white america seems much more motivated by fear and hate, than in the economic best interest.
I think the Democrats very much represent rural and white American financially.
Unfortunatey rural, white america seems much more motivated by fear and hate, than in the economic best interest.
sho nuff
Footballguy
You are claiming things are fact...while posting opinions. That isn’t the forum’s fault Jon.
It was you who first asserted that just so you could be argumentative. This really should not be debatable, as even many left-wings think Democrats are not resonating with white voters and need to do better
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sho nuff
Footballguy
No sir...you made an assertion and when asked for citation you claimed it was fact. Then went on to post opinions and make claims that it was all opinion. Some thinking they are not resonating with white voters is not what you first asserted.
So you believe the Democrats are doing a good job of representing rural white Americans?
"Even as they made gains in the 2018 elections in the suburbs that were once Republican pillars, Democrats are seeing their already weak standing in rural America erode even further."
sho nuff
Footballguy
I think there is a large disconnect here va what you first asserted (and I asked for citation) and what you are now posting.
Herb
Footballguy
Great article. But IMO it sort of undermines the position you're taking that the Republicans are on the side of white rural voters. It's really more about how neither party is on the side of the middle class, regardless of race. And that the Republicans have just successfully stoked the racial divide amongst those rural whites for their votes.
I dont mean to put words in your mouth Jon, so please correct me if I'm wrong about this.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yeah...we can all agree the republicans have done a better job selling to rural white voters...but I’ve seem nothing to indicate the democrats don’t try to represent them or that republicans are actually representing any better.
Herb
Footballguy
More specifically, at this point in time, the Republicans dont seem to represent anything other than the 1% and Russia. But that's not the point of the article.
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Why rural voters don’t vote Democratic anymore
:"A lot of it is backlash against all this political correctness that's going on. That's what I hear from people, and I was hearing that before the election, too.
They don't like the government telling them what to do or telling them how to live their lives. They think [the government is] coddling people, like when people's feelings are hurt at the colleges and they send somebody in to make them feel better. Stuff like that drives [voters here] crazy.
I heard a lot about the Affordable Care Act, too. About how people in the individual market were getting clobbered with all these increases, which is a legitimate issue. You know what the economics are like in Red Lake County. There's no way a family can pay $15,000, $20,000 a year for health insurance and make it work. You just can't do it. It's got to change."
So it's a problem. Pushing gun control drives people [in my district] crazy, gay marriage, abortion, deficit spending, you name it. All of that stuff adds up to be a problem for Democrats.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Those pesky Dems pushing their education, universal health care and climate control just for non-white people.jon_mx said:
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Deficit spending is a problem for...Democrats? What a farce that article is.
"They don't like the government telling them what to do or telling them how to live their lives."
Right...government backing the conservative view on abortion would not be telling women what to do with their bodies and controlling their lives?
The government backing the conservative view on gay marriage would not be telling people what to do or telling them how to live their lives?
Such horse ####. Conservative ideology seems more ridiculous, contradictory, and hypocritical every year that passes. Evangelical white people especially, but conservative religious voters more broadly, are the largest population of Republican supporters left, and that's for lots of reasons. It's not the Democrats fault that they don't appeal to that specific group, but they are making gains across pretty much every other subset of the population, who they'd have to betray completely to court the remaining white conservative vote--the things that group believes clashes way too strongly with literally everyone else in America. It's not pandering to support the things your constituents want.
"They don't like the government telling them what to do or telling them how to live their lives."
Right...government backing the conservative view on abortion would not be telling women what to do with their bodies and controlling their lives?
The government backing the conservative view on gay marriage would not be telling people what to do or telling them how to live their lives?
Such horse ####. Conservative ideology seems more ridiculous, contradictory, and hypocritical every year that passes. Evangelical white people especially, but conservative religious voters more broadly, are the largest population of Republican supporters left, and that's for lots of reasons. It's not the Democrats fault that they don't appeal to that specific group, but they are making gains across pretty much every other subset of the population, who they'd have to betray completely to court the remaining white conservative vote--the things that group believes clashes way too strongly with literally everyone else in America. It's not pandering to support the things your constituents want.
Herb
Footballguy
Herb
Footballguy
I think you mean:
Don't think they need anything more for free.
But you would also be correct if you said:
"They did not need anything for free before, but we were generous enough to give them a break."
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Is it the party of the liberal university coastal elites or the party of the welfare state?
You should also take a look at the states that take in the most welfare dollars--they are deep red Trump territory.
So Republicans are way way better at getting under-educated religious loons to vote against their own best interests, sure.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I am guessing that most of those you "fixed" my post to effect rural America either. Maybe my picture of rural and yours differ though. I live in a rural area, and it's 99% white anyway, so why would they care about racial quotas, PC, or preferential hiring if it's basically all white anyway? Like somebody said, the GOP has gone way to the side of scare tactics and have convinced a lot of people that people that don't look like them are coming for their jobs and women. Most of the right leaning people I know around these parts (rural WI) seem to vote red for reasons that don't effect their daily lives (abortion, border security) or reasons they openly admit they don't think could or would happen (guns). It's frustrating talking to them, agreeing on lots of other big picture things, but knowing that these are the things they are still clinging to when deciding their votes.
timschochet
Footballguy
Let’s assume that everything jon says is correct: white rural Americans vote for Republicans because they represent their interests. Minorities vote for Democrats because they represent their interests.
This problem with this theory is that, for Republicans, it’s unsustainable. If the GOP becomes the white rural party, they’re going to be a minor party; they won’t be winning very many national elections.
This problem with this theory is that, for Republicans, it’s unsustainable. If the GOP becomes the white rural party, they’re going to be a minor party; they won’t be winning very many national elections.
Dedfin
Footballguy
Free racism, free misogyny, free homophobia, free xenophobia, free hate. Yeah I think you are right.
I have a brother that hasn’t worked in 30 years as he doesn’t have or want to and he votes d every time. Free phone, healthcare, food stamps, heating, housing etc. his motto is working is for suckers.
Dedfin
Footballguy
Wake up STL. These tax cuts approach a meaningless value for the middle class. Maybe you don't meet that. Maybe you are rich, so maybe it does apply to you. And while the wealthy are getting massive tax cuts the rest of us get hardly anything. Look at the numbers if you don't believe anyone. Do you think all of us are lying? Ask yourself why the tax cuts for the wealthy got permanent cuts but the rest of the middle class got only temporary ones. Go look at the primary sources for this information.
Dedfin
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I’ve always heard these anecdotes but I’ve never met anyone like this. I’ve had market tenants that sell food stamps (or WIC, the California equivalent) and my experience is that the people who use them are pretty miserable.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
"If we'd just stop helping people, they'd help themselves."
If rural white America believes all that crap, then rural white America is wrong. It's not like rural white America hasn't been wrong before in the nation's history. One could make the argument that it's rural white America's default state.
And tax cuts as a solution to everyone's problem is an even stoopider idea than the Wall.
If rural white America believes all that crap, then rural white America is wrong. It's not like rural white America hasn't been wrong before in the nation's history. One could make the argument that it's rural white America's default state.
And tax cuts as a solution to everyone's problem is an even stoopider idea than the Wall.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
That doesn't even cover little things like the war on Christmas and trying to tell people how they should act during the National Anthem.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Would the majority still say the same if there were no government subsidies for farming?
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I bet he's living large.stlrams said:
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Just with the assumption that he's in Missouri and single -stlrams said:
It's my understanding that he would have $192 per month for total food costs and would not be eligible for "Shelter Plus Care" (100% payment on his rent) unless he is disabled and would otherwise be homeless. Is that the situation your brother is in? Is he disabled?
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
My wife has a cousin in his 30s who has been on "the disability" (and all kinds of other assistance). He's claimed everything from carpal tunnel to back problems to whatever. In reality he's a pothead and opioid addict.stlrams said:
He spends most of his day posting hyper-conservative and pro-Trump stuff on Facebook.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
A white person who has not given deep consideration to how their lives would be had they been born to accountants in Beirut, to a longhouse family of the island Pacific, to the dirt of Chile, the impossible clay and violent circumstances of WAfrica or the Subcontinent is below my care.
A person of color who cannot imagine the lives of white people being as deeply felt as theirs is below my care.
A person of any tone whose window on the world is a mirror is below my care.
It's never what you are but who you are that matters to me. So many of you are selfish jerks that it grows ever more difficult for me to try but, excising those proven below my care, i find ways to know and care and do. That is my job as the collection of cells i am.
A person of color who cannot imagine the lives of white people being as deeply felt as theirs is below my care.
A person of any tone whose window on the world is a mirror is below my care.
It's never what you are but who you are that matters to me. So many of you are selfish jerks that it grows ever more difficult for me to try but, excising those proven below my care, i find ways to know and care and do. That is my job as the collection of cells i am.
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Not even close but the system has created opportunities for people to not work with no consequences.
I suggest the consequence is he is not living large. This country offers that option and can, and I argue should, offer even more because we have the resources to allow everyone to have basic needs met without worry. If that is all a person wants to survive and if they do not want to strive for more out of their life then let them have at it. Subsistence living isnt for me so I chose a different path.
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